The Network of Stolen Consciousness

[Howling Rainbows]

Just for the record the spelling is propanolol, you put one too many R's in the mix. I have a scrip of it.

[DeltaDawn]

lol howling rainbows, actually thought the same thing when I wrote response, but looked at my last two scripts and saw the extra r....also have noticed, they are thicker pills with different logo on pill, so kinda thought maybe?? they've come up w/another generic???? Did look up logo on web tho and it was same medication??? either, iether....propanolol/propranolol....same drug, same effects, same discussion???

[justdrew]

yeah, well it does look like I bought into some poor reporting, the effect of the drug isn't as dramatic as I'd let my self believe...

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/02/17/does-propranolol-erase-memories-still-no/

but there could be drugs out there (publicly known or not) that block long term memory formation.

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/006703.html

[Nordic]

This is all very fascinating, and I just plowed through this entire thread, and it took a very long time.

I am not expert in this field whatsoever.

But I find her use of the word "elite" to be unsettling in her case. She uses it extensively, and often in reference to the sexual aspect of her accounts, it's almost a "starfucker" sort of narrative, as in "I was a sex slave to THE ELITE", almost like she's bragging somewhat about it. That's the subtext I'm picking up on, anyway, which I find kind of off-putting to say the least.

I find her account of succubi and sparks in the astral plane and all of that to be quite compelling.

Also, there's this:

"At the exact moment when I used to "time-slip" I felt everything change around me--the air seemed to congeal and I moved in slow motion through it"

Which is something someone here wrote (not Goobie). I have experienced this exact thing, but it was when I was in the vortex of the most haunted place I've ever been -- the operating room of an abandoned hospital. Freaked me the HELL OUT, it was as if I was being sucked into some .... shit, I can't even find words to describe it ..... but it was the realization that I was in the middle of a place where a lot of people had died, reluctantly, in great pain. The "energy" left behind was a some kind of vortex and affected me exactly like the described "time slip".

Also, it occurred to me, if there are all these different levels of reality as she describes, why doesn't she think, at least for a moment, that perhaps some of these things she remembers occurred to her in these other "planes"? Why does she seem to assume they happened to her in "this" one?

I have to say the two most terrifying moments in my life involved dreams. Nightmares, at least that's the only way I can describe them, where I was being warned, both times, to NOT find out too much about The Truth about things. It was made very clear to me that the punishment for finding out the truth was to be very severe. And these were not humans who were telling me this. They were nonhuman. I had the 2nd one just recently.

This woman is in touch with something, I just don't know what. I sense a desire for attention. At the same time, the first two things I read here, both from the "Paranoia" magazine, made me extremely paranoid and I found to be very disturbing.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I have to say the two most terrifying moments in my life involved dreams. Nightmares, at least that's the only way I can describe them, where I was being warned, both times, to NOT find out too much about The Truth about things. It was made very clear to me that the punishment for finding out the truth was to be very severe. And these were not humans who were telling me this. They were nonhuman. I had the 2nd one just recently.

They only say that to weed out the gutless.

I dunno what to say about all that other stuff tho... I totally get the vortex thing Nordic. There are some aboriginal massacre sites round here, well they are everywhere, not just round here, or even in Australia. The air congeals in those places too. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.

So much of Goobie's thing reminds me of tripping on mushies and accidently wandering into a very dark place.

[LilyPatToo]

Thanks to both of you for posting about having experienced that "air congealing" thing. For over 50 years, I've been asking people if they've ever felt that happen, but I've almost never had anyone say that they had...or maybe I should say "admit that they had." But I remember experiencing it from a very young age and, as I grew up and struggled through science classes, I've wondered if perhaps it's a clue to the nature of paranormal events in general. If so, then dammit it's important. I've had it happen with other psy-related stuff too, not just with that brief movement in time thing. If only extrasensory abilities hadn't been targeted for weaponization, what might we have understood about the nature of Reality by now?

And Joe, my Dad and I stepped into one of the famous "cold spots" at Hampton Court Palace back in 1983 and it was flat-out amazing watching the expression on his face change. Reality was different there and conventional people like him have tremendous problems with the acceptance of that possibility. You also said:

So much of Goobie's thing reminds me of tripping on mushies and accidently wandering into a very dark place.

I and most of the other survivors of the government programs that I've run into are certain that we were given hallucinogenic drugs during programming and testing. And, from what cult survivors have said, drugs are an important part of the mind control that's practiced on them, too. So your observation makes a lot of sense. Drugs may well be responsible for some of the imagery and memories that Goobie reports.

Nordic, you said:

I find her use of the word "elite" to be unsettling in her case. She uses it extensively, and often in reference to the sexual aspect of her accounts, it's almost a "starfucker" sort of narrative, as in "I was a sex slave to THE ELITE", almost like she's bragging somewhat about it. That's the subtext I'm picking up on, anyway, which I find kind of off-putting to say the least.

Have you listened to Cathy O'Brien and Sue Ford? That comes through even more strongly in their narratives. I have no way of knowing how many of their memories are accurate and represent anything more than deliberately implanted "self-discrediting programming." And many of the high-profile survivors are deeply embedded in the far-Right, elite/Elite-hating community, too (though I don't get that impression about Goobie at all), so some of their Elite fixation may have originated in their "deprogramming" or might be an unconscious need to either please their supporters or to bolster their own fragile egos.

But, that said, I've avoided all of that ultra-Conservative crap and still have a young alter who remembers much-younger versions of some very prominent and wealthy NeoCons. What to make of that, I have no idea, but for a number of excellent reasons I don't go around publicly recounting those particular memories in salacious detail. Like you, I'm totally turned off by "starfuckers" and I actually got badly burned by one of them on another board. The woman in question self-identifies as an "alien abductee" too, but has many, many memories that are clearly of human intel-operative-related accessings. Tangling with her made me think deeply about the sort of psychological damage that being mucked with in mind control programs can inflict on a young woman. My best guess is that in her case, "starfuckery" is a form of Stockholm Syndrome-related identification with her abusers.

Not sayin' that all the program survivors who remember Elite abusers are like her though--not by a long shot. I think the truth is that there are some very wealthy and powerful narcissists and/or sociopaths who would jump at the chance to bed a totally secure prostitute and have done so.

LilyPat

[Joe Hillshoist]

My best guess is that in her case, "starfuckery" is a form of Stockholm Syndrome-related identification with her abusers.

Thats quite an interesting observation.

It happens alot wrt to domestic violence and domestic abuse as well, tho there are other factors in there - family ties, being part of a family you built with the violent person etc etc.

I suspect they play a role in the MC abuse too.

But I remember experiencing it from a very young age and, as I grew up and struggled through science classes, I've wondered if perhaps it's a clue to the nature of paranormal events in general. I've had it happen with other psy-related stuff too, not just with that brief movement in time thing. If only extrasensory abilities hadn't been targeted for weaponization, what might we have understood about the nature of Reality by now?

Its not just something I associate with death at massacre sites either. I think that there is some connection between feeling the "air is different" and the paranormal, tho what it is I don't know.

It could even be a psychologically induced response that has nothing to do with the physical conditions in the area, and everything to do with the psychic ones. Tho personally I doubt that.