Rense is a Nazi scumbag

[Searcher08]

unless......Pan is Jeff Rense's secret Wig Maker and E-Marketing Consultant and this whole thread is just his Quintuple-Cross strategy to drive more traffic to his site! Ha!
http://www.tips4jobs.co.uk/job-bank/beauty-and-hairdressing/wig-maker.php

[nomo]

Funny. I just tried clicking through and Firefox tells me it can't find rense.com.

[professorpan]

unless......Pan is Jeff Rense's secret Wig Maker and E-Marketing Consultant and this whole thread is just his Quintuple-Cross strategy to drive more traffic to his site! Ha!

Zounds! I am undone.

[justdrew]

oh no Nathanael no, there must be more than this
(from the war of the worlds rock opera)

The way google works, it might be better to muddle those links to his site, change the http to hxxp and not use the url tags. that way when the weaving spiders come calling this board won't get alchemically wed to rense

well, probably not worth the bother, and who knows, could work the other way around and lead people to see this thread I suppose.

[8bitagent]

If the Jews are so smart, how come the minutes of their high-level cabal conferences to take over the world are always getting leaked?

The supposed "Jewish cabal minutes"(hoaxes) sound more like
European occult globalist meetings to me

Is it me or does that picture make Rense look like Steve Coogan?

Actually there are some fascinating connections between UFO cults, contactee messages and the fascist/antisemitic far right. Vallee documents some in Messengers of Deception.

Levenda's "Unholy Alliance", too. He also mentions a rabbi introducing some evil cultists to Nazi occultism, I believe. The infamous Greenbaum speech also claims that Dr Greenbaum was a Cabbala infected Jew who became a collaborator in the concentration camps before joining the Americans.

On the Antarctic front I'd like to add to Byrd's expedition with "Operation Tabarin". The official version and the derring-do filled Nexus version where a band of commandoes set off for the south pole, do battle with genetically engineered Nazi cannibals and one lone survivor, after using controlled demolition on the Nazis' underground base, escapes to freedom.

Now that's a strange mix, and if we are to believe what other books say:

Nazis-German occultists-Tibetan monks-Jewish Qabbalists-UFO interest

This one book I read said Hitler believed an alien was "working" through him, and that the Nazis made many expeditions for occult reasons to Tibet; on one occation they saw a flying saucer. Who knows what to believe.

http://www.rense.com/general59/sdom.htm

Today, Jews control vast areas of wealth in America. Estimates range all the way up to 70%.
Whatever the figure, it is huge and immensely out of proportion to their 2% of the population in American society.

Haha, more like white European rich guys, Saudi Arabia and China it seems like.

[justdrew]

"This one book I read said Hitler believed an alien was "working" through him"

never heard of that, any idea what the claim is based on?

[Stephen Morgan]

Anti-Defamation League

Known to work with Mossad, declared Noam Chomsky an anti-Semite.

Now that's a strange mix, and if we are to believe what other books say:

Nazis-German occultists-Tibetan monks-Jewish Qabbalists-UFO interest

This one book I read said Hitler believed an alien was "working" through him, and that the Nazis made many expeditions for occult reasons to Tibet; on one occation they saw a flying saucer. Who knows what to believe.

Roerich saw a flying saucer in Central Asia. A saucer was seen over Addis Ababa in the land of Punt immediately before the Italian invasion.

The Vril Society was supposedly running mediums in the 1920s claiming to contact an alien intelligence based in Sirius (as is the Ashtar collective, supposedly). The Vril society was named after the infamous Lytton book featuring giant matriachal subterraneans with magical powers coming from the black sun within the earth. They fly without flapping their wings, like the mothman. Hitler claimed he had "seen the New Man" and also claimed to have been saved by a voice he heard, the voice of providence, which sent him away from the part of the trench his friends were in before a shell went off over it.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

"I go the way that providence dictates, with the assurance of a sleepwalker." Adolf Hitler.

I'm just crashing in on the thread, 8bit, but are you thinking of what Trevor Ravencroft wrote about Hitler being the willing tool and "vessel"of demonic forces and all that. The evil force particularly being Arhiman himself if I remember right

He does talk about Hitler being "opened" in some kind of blood ritual (makes me bumcheeks clench just typing it) to recieve the spirit of the new AntiChrist. The major sin was taking a short-cut on the Grail Quest. He got the power, lost his soul. Textbook.

I don't recall aliens being involved, except in so far as creatures of the purest evil, or even good, will be alien by definition.

Anyway, I think it was Walter Stein came up with the idea, and I would give him a mixed press to say the least.

Hitler, though - everybody close to him at the height of his power believed he had something "else" in him. I personally think it was injections of thinned arsenic, strychnine, extract of bulls' bollocks, and
so on - but there definitely were people within his immiediate circle who believe he was not so much an insane and overindulged person as an embodiment of something else.

I'm just rambling now, and you know all this anyway. He still was a total bawbag, though, even if he embodied the spirit of the devil himself.

[MacCruiskeen]

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:

He still was a total bawbag, though

I never thought I'd see that fine word on the RI board, least of all applied to Hitler. Glad I did, though.

[8bitagent]

"I go the way that providence dictates, with the assurance of a sleepwalker." Adolf Hitler.

I'm just crashing in on the thread, 8bit, but are you thinking of what Trevor Ravencroft wrote about Hitler being the willing tool and "vessel"of demonic forces and all that. The evil force particularly being Arhiman himself if I remember right

He does talk about Hitler being "opened" in some kind of blood ritual (makes me bumcheeks clench just typing it) to recieve the spirit of the new AntiChrist. The major sin was taking a short-cut on the Grail Quest. He got the power, lost his soul. Textbook.

I don't recall aliens being involved, except in so far as creatures of the purest evil, or even good, will be alien by definition.

Anyway, I think it was Walter Stein came up with the idea, and I would give him a mixed press to say the least.

Hitler, though - everybody close to him at the height of his power believed he had something "else" in him. I personally think it was injections of thinned arsenic, strychnine, extract of bulls' bollocks, and
so on - but there definitely were people within his immiediate circle who believe he was not so much an insane and overindulged person as an embodiment of something else.

I'm just rambling now, and you know all this anyway. He still was a total bawbag, though, even if he embodied the spirit of the devil himself.

Well, I think it's clear what "alien" really means anyways(not trying to push a theological view)

None of this would surprise me of course. Many people will be shocked in the mainstream..nay, upset for me saying this; but I always saw Hitler as a puppet. If the corporations like IBM, Bayer, Ford, etc were puppets of the Nazis...one has to wonder who was puppeteering Hitler.

A lot of people already know about "The Nazis and the occult", as recounted ad nauseum in History Channel documentaries and books,
but this whole other dynamic seems plausible to me.

From the obsession over Tibet, to the alleged sightings of UFO craft by Nazis, to the Thule Society and Himmler's own groups...tis a strange brew indeed. Add in the quest for the grail, *and* the stealing of the Spear of Destiny/Longinus Lance...

And isn't it interesting, that Hitler tried to wipe out Freemasonry, Theosophy, and even psychics and magical orders? Some historians falsely believe this is because of Hitler and the Nazis wanting to "being Christians wanting to do away with occultism"...no, this was more like Walmart trying to monopolize and get rid of the competition.

So many people think Crowley was some child sacrificing evil guy, but he along with other mastered occultists at the time in England were part of British military/intelligence linked "white" groups said to be fighting an invisible or psychic war with the Nazis.

Of course as Jeff eluded to, there's long been a nasty anti Semitic air to
channelled NHI. Why, many of the accounts of "The Nine" was heavily tinged with "master races" and "inferior races". And I realize that Madam Blavatsky was coopted, but some could say even some of her "ascended mastered" beliefs had a tinge of racial superiority...even if like eugenics, it was a biproduct of the time(Gandhi of course was a strong admirer...some say adept, of Blavatsky)

As for Arhiman, Rudolf Steiner had some quite interesting writings on that subject...I believe he even made some sculptures(which some have pointed out as strongly resembling the smoke faces in the World Trade Center fire)

I've personally wondered, if there's a connection between UFO's, certain occult orders within the powers that be, and child kidnapping rings...but that's a speculative topic for another time.

As for Rense, to paraphrase the British, an absolute "bollocks" site.
Only article I *ever* liked on there was the story of the 1996 Brazilian alien, which apparently was the impetus for the famous birthday party video tape scene in "Signs".

[American Dream]

8bitagent wrote:

Why, many of the accounts of "The Nine" was heavily tinged with "master races" and "inferior races". And I realize that Madam Blavatsky was coopted, but some could say even some of her "ascended mastered" beliefs had a tinge of racial superiority...even if like eugenics, it was a biproduct of the time(Gandhi of course was a strong admirer...some say adept, of Blavatsky)

Yes indeed many of the biggest names in Western occultism preached racial doctrines that are in my view, well, racist. Blavatsky see the tone with her essentialist writings on "root-races" but certainly Steiner and Bailey, amongst others, continued in the same line. These doctrines, a product of their times should I think by today's standards be thoroughly renounced.

Tell that to your child's Waldorf teacher...

[8bitagent]

8bitagent wrote:

Why, many of the accounts of "The Nine" was heavily tinged with "master races" and "inferior races". And I realize that Madam Blavatsky was coopted, but some could say even some of her "ascended mastered" beliefs had a tinge of racial superiority...even if like eugenics, it was a biproduct of the time(Gandhi of course was a strong admirer...some say adept, of Blavatsky)

Yes indeed many of the biggest names in Western occultism preached racial doctrines that are in my view, well, racist. Blavatsky see the tone with her essentialist writings on "root-races" but certainly Steiner and Bailey, amongst others, continued in the same line. These doctrines, a product of their times should I think by today's standards be thoroughly renounced.

Tell that to your child's Waldorf teacher...

Well that's really unfortunate if this is the case, I would think at least Steiner would have not flirted with such views. But again, perhaps we can attribute such talk to "of the times" thinking.

Thing is, for a group of people interested in Eastern mysticism, it's odd they would ultimately embelish certain narrow views.

Ask any occultist, and they'll you a few of the seminal figures in 19th century occult revivalism and magick were men of African heritage.

[American Dream]

8bitagent wrote:

Well that's really unfortunate if this is the case, I would think at least Steiner would have not flirted with such views. But again, perhaps we can attribute such talk to "of the times" thinking.

Rudolph Steiner promoted some very negative generalizations about Jews, Blacks, Native Americans and others. In all fairness though to the Waldorf teachers and Anthroposophists of today, it must be stated that the current doctrine and practice on racial issues is now all over the map, in that world...

[Endomorph]

So many people think Crowley was some child sacrificing evil guy, but he along with other mastered occultists at the time in England were part of British military/intelligence linked "white" groups said to be fighting an invisible or psychic war with the Nazis.

Who said that? Crowley, after the Allies won?

I'm assuming if the Axis had won he'd have claimed to have been occultishly working for their side the whole time too.

Crowley may not have been a "child sacrificing evil guy" but he was a psychopath.

[Stephen Morgan]

I've personally wondered, if there's a connection between UFO's, certain occult orders within the powers that be, and child kidnapping rings...but that's a speculative topic for another time.

Doesn't seem to speculative to me.

Gandhi was a follower of Blavatsky, you say? Odd, he of course advocated submission to the Japanese empire which was run by the right-wing nationalist dragon cults. Some of the less peacably inclined Indian independence movers fought for the opposition.