Seriously, How Many Damn People Filmed JFK's Death?

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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:38 am

Spielberg and Elie Wiesel just got ripped off by Bernie Maddoff.

I have no idea who Laverne and Shirley are.

However, as a kid, I did happen to catch and enjoy some "good-jacketing"(?) of Operation Condor, and imperialism generally.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVNZ-cghz0
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Gold and a Condor plane? ech.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:06 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Spielberg and Elie Wiesel just got ripped off by Bernie Maddoff.

I have no idea who Laverne and Shirley are.

However, as a kid, I did happen to catch and enjoy some "good-jacketing"(?) of Operation Condor, and imperialism generally.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVNZ-cghz0


Wow. Cartoon kidz looking for gold in their Condor-shaped plane.
"Langley, you got a lotta splainin' to do..."

Nice example of what Chilean professor Ariel Dorfman exposed in 'How to Read Donald Duck' back in 1971 just before Operation Condor killed most of his friends-
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=21910
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:41 am

Jim Jones and Dan Mitrione again. Can't get away from that pair.

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Re: Double double toil and trouble

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:52 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:The first scene in Mr. CIA Spielberg's 'Used Cars' movie is a slow zoom in on used car salesman, Kurt Russell, rolling back the odometer on a car to 313, xxx-miles. (Oh, and carefully analyze the first 5-10 minutes of a psyops movie because that's when the subliminal themes will be established in your subconscious to massage for the rest of the flick.)

The numerology of "313" is Spielberg making the association of the meme "misleading data" with Zapruder frame 313 where the fatal shot from the grassy knoll blew out the brains of American democracy while Jackie scrambled to save some big pieces for she knew not who.

Spielberg's lead character, the iconically deceptive used car salesman, is named "Russo." This just happens to be the name of D. A. Jim Garrison's lead witness against Clay Shaw. There are even two men who are doubles. Will wonders never cease?

(snip)

And by knowing this...we can get lots of it back.


Hi Hugh: I know this is all supposed to work subliminally, but I've never heard of either frame 313 (although I've obviously seen the Z film) or Russo.

I think what you're trying to say is that the CIA wants viewers of "Used Cars" to subconsciously equate frame 313 with "misleading data," but wouldn't we have to know what 313 *is* in order to have something to associate with it? Wouldn't we have to have heard of Garrison's Russo in order to associate him with the "iconically deceptive used car salesman" Russo? This is an honest question, BTW, not a veiled attempt to argue. I'm trying to understand how this mechanism could work. It doesn't seem logical to me, but I *know* you know propaganda techniques and have done lengthy research.

I'm all for "getting lots of it back," believe me.

By the way, the dude who plays Lenny, Michael McKean, has been in some of my all-time favorite movies, particularly Spinal Tap, A Mighty Wind, and Best in Show. He's an accomplished musician, writer, improv-er, and comic actor.

Somehow, though, despite, well, nearly a lifetime of exposure to McKean's work (and tons of pop culture in general), I haven't come to believe Oswald acted alone. I still believe there was, and probably still is, an extensive conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination coming from the intelligence community, and I'm open to the idea that much of the trouble in the world is thanks to a relative few who seek Luciferian power through some heinous acts that work on an esoteric level.

So is it that the CIA's attempts to indoctrinate me have failed? If so, why? What makes me so different from most people? And haven't polls shown that the majority of Americans believe that Oswald *didn't* act alone? Is the CIA failing in general?

Again, I'm not baiting, but trying to understand, because I find the whole topic fascinating and because I respect the efforts you've put behind this, Hugh. And I accept that, just because I'm not seeing it, that doesn't mean it's not happening. I'd just like to see it.
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Re: Double double toil and trouble

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:08 pm

Fat Lady Singing wrote:.....
Hi Hugh: I know this is all supposed to work subliminally, but I've never heard of either frame 313 (although I've obviously seen the Z film) or Russo.
.....
Wouldn't we have to have heard of Garrison's Russo in order to associate him with the "iconically deceptive used car salesman" Russo?
.....

Pre-emptive biasing of your brain just in case you might hear of Zapruder frame 313 and Garrison's witness named Russo (and dozens of other data) is very effective on some people, especially youth.

Search up "interference theory."
A story carefully constructed to displace another one can do so EVEN AFTER you've already heard it, not just before. That's called "retroactive interference." (Search it up for more on it because "interference theory" is all about preventing our memories from "connecting the dots.")

Narratives are networks of associations used to create neural paths in our brains so here's an analogy explaining the spook strategy of manipulating our neural paths with their narratives.

You've seen the paths cows make across their grazing pastures. Once the path is started by just ONE COW and some others follow, the new path becomes the proverbial beaten path and the cows stay on it and even become habituated to taking the beaten path.

Memory and social transmission of information is very similiar.

Memory depends on the strength of neural paths comprising the brain's association network of cues, sort of as if the brain was a lawn of tall grass and our memory walks on the paths that are visible and tramped down enough to walk on. As you know, you can create a path with repetition or intensity - keep walking on it or use a lawnmower.

This is a Path of Least Resistance dynamic in human memory that is easy to both create and exploit

To cover up a scandal, subliminal psyops creates narrative/neural paths starting at dangerous keywords or memes but leading in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION (meme-reversal) going away from the politically dangerous memory and into a safer memory association.

These paths into safer associations are made pre-emptively (most effective and thus best case scenario for spooks) and after the fact, too, to fall back on retroactive interference which still works well enough to be worth deploying.

Disney is The First Cow creating neural paths in children's brains and that's how it is used for mental conditioning, indoctrination, and inoculation by the U.S. government as CIA for kidz.

Scandals of all kinds are hidden well enough to give psyops entertainment time to get at the target audience and be The First Cow of government-sanctioned neural paths which are meant to preserve our trust in authority and thus social cohesion and, ultimately, a reliable pool of warriors for the permanent economic war.

The US goverment's psyops strategy includes:

1) propaganda supporting Male Warrior/Authority Culture-
-subliminal positive framing of men as capable, moral, and loyal
-subliminal negative framing of females as incapable, immoral,and fickle

2) counterpropaganda supporting Male Warrior/Authority Culture-
-subliminal positive framing of government cover stories
-subliminal negative framing of whistleblowers

So when the U.S. government has something big to hide, like the murder of the president and huge cover-up, this dangerous swamp of neural associations cannot be fully drained (to switch metaphors), so the Army Corps of Psyops Engineers has built many drainage paths of safer narrative/neural associations away from all the dangerous keywords and memes to prevent the truthful information from flooding too much cultural memory and while hoping time will eventually just dry it up.
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Postby sunny » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:18 pm

Hugh, I don't think you've ever explained it quite so well. All of what you wrote makes perfect sense. :thumbsup001:
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Re: Gold and a Condor plane? ech.

Postby orz » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:30 pm

"Don't accuse me of claiming the CIA micromanage every aspect of the media, strawman blah blah blah"

* implies the plot and mecha design of an obscure French cartoon were controlled by the CIA *
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Re: Gold and a Condor plane? ech.

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:32 pm

orz wrote:"Don't accuse me of claiming the CIA micromanage every aspect of the media, strawman blah blah blah"

* implies the plot and mecha design of an obscure French cartoon were controlled by the CIA *


Was too.
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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:46 pm

sunny wrote:Hugh, I don't think you've ever explained it quite so well. All of what you wrote makes perfect sense. :thumbsup001:


Agreed, Hugh! Thanks very much. Now, again, since I grew up bathed in the glow of television (born in '65) and am a very active consumer of pop culture products, I should have been indoctrinated as you explain, yes?

What, then, is it about *me* and presumably just about everyone who posts at RI that makes us more immune to these machinations? I'll grant you that I doubt we've completely beaten it -- we will probably always have the traces of any kind of enculturation within us -- but seriously, why do you think we're at least a little less affected by it? Or do you think we haven't been less affected by it?

I really do appreciate you taking the time to spell it out in sort of a Psy-Ops 101 format here!
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Critical thinking, available info, gender

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:11 pm

Fat Lady Singing wrote:.....
What, then, is it about *me* and presumably just about everyone who posts at RI that makes us more immune to these machinations?
.....


First, on the effectiveness of psyops in society as a whole because it indicates the complexity of how it affects individuals, too-

Psyops Culture is indeed only effective on some people and only in some ways, but apparently it is effective enough to make some people eliminate the U.S Constitution and invade other countries, all while breaking the planet we have to live on.

So as long as there's a critical mass of people actively doing those awful things and NOT a critical mass of people capable of stopping them, Psyops Culture can be said to be a working system that power will keep using despite its imperfections. Any control is better than none and the stakes have gone up exponentially with global warming.

I call this 'mostly-tarianism' which is more effective than totalitarianism due to being better hidden with more plausible deniability and confusion cloaking it.

So why doesn't it 'get' you and me? Many reasons.
Mainly-

> Above average intelligence enabling critical reasoning (hey, we're readers and online. That's intellectual uber-elite for our species.)
When government social spook, Hadley Cantril, studied the 1938 'War of the Worlds' radio panic, he determined that a person's CRITICAL THINKING was the best indication of susceptibility to being manipulated and stampeded by authority figures

> Exposure to alternative information instead of government sources

> Possibly parental/family influence

> Individual brain variations allowing abstract reasoning and memory

> How activated our amygdala is, the limbic brain's panic button which clouds slower reasoning in favor of quicker fear-based responses.

> Gender. There's a big gender gap in levels of violence behavior and acceptance of war.

Science is proving that females are 'smarter' in some ways, more integrated connections between left/right brain functions, more mirror neurons which influence socialization and perception of complex relationships.

This is why CIA and FBI are heavily recruiting women for intelligence jobs using tv and movies. 'Alias,' 'Kim Possible,' etc.

BACK TO JFK.

Some people's brains are just not up to reading through the evidence and testimony BUT they will be easily influenced by just seeing Zapruder frame #313 showing the deadly shot from the front that PROVES the U.S. government has been lying with lots of state-controlled media for 45 years.

The value of these simple visuals for many people is why photos of Lee Harvey Oswald were forged showing him holding a rifle and commie literature in his backyard. These forgeries were exposed by many people but one was an authority figure, Major John Pickard who was head of the Canadian military's image analysis department. And his name ended up on tv in 'Star Trek, the Next Generation' as French-Canadian-sounding name, "Jean-Luc Picard."

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/griffith/Problems_with_case_against_Oswald.html

According to the [Warren Commission] and the [House Select Committee on Assassinations], all of the backyard snapshots were taken with a cheap, hand-held camera, known as the Imperial Reflex camera.

When the backyard photos were examined by Major John Pickard, a former commander of the photographic department of the Canadian Defense Department, he declared them to be fakes.
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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:24 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Psyops Culture is indeed only effective on some people and only in some ways, but apparently it is effective enough to make some people eliminate the U.S Constitution and invade other countries, all while breaking the planet we have to live on.

So as long as there's a critical mass of people actively doing those awful things and NOT a critical mass of people capable of stopping them, Psyops Culture can be said to be a working system that power will keep using despite its imperfections. Any control is better than none and the stakes have gone up exponentially with global warming.

I call this 'mostly-tarianism' which is more effective than totalitarianism due to being better hidden with more plausible deniability and confusion cloaking it.

(snipped the rest of excellent post for brevity)



Wow, Hugh, once again I am thoroughly impressed. Thank you! I like that "mostly-tarianism" portmanteau, too.

I agree that critical thinking skills are, uh, critical; when I was teaching English 101, I tried to include information and discussion related to critical thinking, as much as I could anyway, sandwiched in between the grammar, punctuation, and basic writing skills required by the curricula.

This reminds me of a thread we had a couple of weeks ago... you might've been on your hiatus, Hugh, but you'd probably find it interesting. Ummm, anyone else know what thread I'm referring to? My memory's shot...
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Transmitting viruses without being sick yourself

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:58 pm

Fat Lady Singing wrote:.....
Now, again, since I grew up bathed in the glow of television (born in '65) and am a very active consumer of pop culture products, I should have been indoctrinated as you explain, yes?
.....


There's a good chance that, by being an "active consumer of pop culture products," two things happened you were not even aware of:

1) Your cognitive bandwith was taken up with psyops for a long time thereby preventing you from instead "consuming" subversive information of all kinds.
So just keeping you occupied kept you 'out of troubles' you knew not of, away from more interesting paths.

2) You probably passed on to the people around you mention of those "pop culture products" and thereby helped transmit them as viral marketing and imbue them with social affirmation, a valuable trait amongst social animals like humans. So you might not have been indoctrinated but you may have helped indoctrinate someone else by passing them along.

This Memetic Lexicon best explains the transmission of culture, as advertising or psyops or religion etc., and how you can do it without 'it doing you'-
http://www.lucifer.com/virus/memlex.html

Check out the whole website. The scary name was meant to get attention, not be evil, a memory hook.

Lots of the JFK cover-up relies on what that lexicon calls a "vaccime."

For instance, the epithet "conspiracy theorist' was designed to be a "vaccime" conveying negative sanctions for straying from the beaten path. You might say it was meant to make you feel...cowed. tiny pun.

VACCIME: (pron. vak-seem) Any meta-meme which confers resistance or immunity to one or more memes, allowing that person to be exposed without acquiring an active infection. Also called an `immuno-meme.' Common immune-conferring memes are "Faith", "Loyalty", "Skepticism", and "tolerance". (See: meme-allergy.)
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Re: Transmitting viruses without being sick yourself

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:47 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Fat Lady Singing wrote:.....
Now, again, since I grew up bathed in the glow of television (born in '65) and am a very active consumer of pop culture products, I should have been indoctrinated as you explain, yes?
.....


There's a good chance that, by being an "active consumer of pop culture products," two things happened you were not even aware of:

1) Your cognitive bandwith was taken up with psyops for a long time thereby preventing you from instead "consuming" subversive information of all kinds.
So just keeping you occupied kept you 'out of troubles' you knew not of, away from more interesting paths.



That might be true, except that about as long as I've been consuming pop culture products, I've also been consuming subversive information of all kinds. Sure, as a young child, probably not, but by the time I was in middle school, I was into all sorts of weird stuff. Luckily, I was blessed with a mother who encouraged me to read literally *anything* that interested me -- she even went to bat for me against a small-town librarian who wouldn't let me check out a book on witchcraft because I was in the fifth grade.

So pretty much I've always been interested in the subversive, whether or not I knew to call it that. And dumb, schlocky movies. And high art. And academic criticism. And biting, satirical comedy. Y'know, all sortsa stuff.

2) You probably passed on to the people around you mention of those "pop culture products" and thereby helped transmit them as viral marketing and imbue them with social affirmation, a valuable trait amongst social animals like humans. So you might not have been indoctrinated but you may have helped indoctrinate someone else by passing them along.



Sure. I think anyone who doesn't live a life completely separate from human interaction does pass along indoctrination -- in a way, that's what all culture is. Mostly, though, my friends tend to be critical thinkers, too. I probably talk as much about "subversive" stuff with them as pop culture stuff. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but I'm not terribly worried about being "Typhoid FLS" or anything.

Plus, Hugh, sometimes you just gotta have fun, y'know?
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Re: Transmitting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:57 pm

Fat Lady Singing wrote:.....
Plus, Hugh, sometimes you just gotta have fun, y'know?



:shock:

Oh, ok.

http://wearefishermen.com/splash.html

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Re: Transmitting

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I just showed that to my husband, and he echoes my thoughts: "Awesome!"
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