The Dark Side of the Moon.

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Postby Penguin » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:31 am

Ben D wrote: Believe it not, the actual hardware used in space was generally never leading edge except where there was no alternative, and in experimental and research spacecraft, it was the proven technology that won out over the new, especially when it concerned manned missions.


Like currently, they use several years old models of IBM ThinkPads on the ISS.
And I think generally they use 486 chips for the space computers - chips that have been "obsolete" for a decade in earthbound general computing applications. Up there, a tried and true tech is worth ten new non-functioning shiny gadgets.

Also the effects of cosmic radiation on microchips are a serious issue - thats why they use older processors that had wider internal wiring (not sure whats the right engl word) - newest processors are too sensitive to radiation, and prone to malfunctions. Also an issue in airplanes.
Penguin
 
Posts: 5089
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby psynapz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:58 am

So either nobody else here has read "Dark Mission" or nobody else here noticed (or cared about? What say Hugh?) the excerpt posted to page 1 of this thread:

psynapz wrote:From "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA" (italic emphasis original, bold emphasis added):
-----
Even to my untrained eye, it looked out of place: a man, wearing jeans and a long, light-colored raincoat (it was typical L.A. weather outside -- so, why the coat?). This man, wearing one of those floppy "great coats" that cowpunchers used to wear in old Westerns, complete with a dark leather bag slung over one shoulder, was slowly, methodically, placing "something" on each chair in Von Karman [Auditorium].

As he got closer, I suddenly realized he was accompanied by a more conventionally dressed representative from JPL itself: coatless, in white shirt and black tie -- the second figure was, in fact, none other than the head of the JPL press office, Frank Bristow.

In the midst of all the commotion, why was Bristow -- again, the head of the JPL press office -- personally squiring this very out-of-place individual around the Auditorium?

Then, as if that wasn't mystery enough, Bristow began moving "great coat guy" back out to the cramped "press room area" beyond the glassed-in foyer of the Audiotrium. There, in an office where space correspondents, like Walter Sullivan (New York Times), Frank Pearlman (San Francisco Chronicle), Jules Bergmann (ABC) and Bill Stout (our local guy from CBS) hung out, and wrote their leads and copy after each formal press briefing held in Von Karman itself, a handful of reporters were now being introduced, again by Bristow, to "great coat guy." Why was the official head of the JPL press office doing this?

I soon had my answer.

As Bristow watched approvingly, his "guest" proceeded to hand each available reporter a copy of whatever he'd been putting on the seats back in the Auditorium.

As I opened up the handout, something yellow and silvery fell on the tile floor. It was a shiny American flag, maybe four inches lengthwise, made of aluminized mylar. I turned to the couple of mimeographed pages and began to read -- and couldn't believe my eyes.

The date was July 22, 1969. The three Apollo 11 astronauts -- Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Mike Collins, two of whom had just successfully walked on "the frigging moon," and wouldn't splash down in the South Pacific Ocean for two more days, were still haflway between Earth and the "Sea of Tranquility." Yet here, someone with an obvious "in" to JPL was handing out a mimeographed broadsheet to all the real reporters ... claiming that "NASA has just faked the entire Apollo 11 Lunar Landing... on a soundstage in Nevada!"

And, if that wasn't weird enough, this individual was being personally escorted around Von Karman by none other than the head of the JPL press office himself!

I did what I saw the other veternas do: I casually threw the two pages in the trash and tucked the shiny flag into my notebook. But the seed had been planted.

Looking back, based on all our hard-won knowledge of what is really "out there" in the solar system, and experiencing the outrageous lengths NASA will go to keep "the secret," I can now put the pieces together.

This was an official "Op" -- Bristow's job was to make sure that all the national reporters covering NASA at least saw what was handed out that afternoon, complete with shiny flag to act as a mnemonic device to trigger the memory of what was in the pamphlet long after it was history. Sooner or later, a percentage of those who read it that afternoon at JPL would write it up -- as a quirky angle on the far-too-dry official tale of Apollo 11.

In this way, it would become a naturally-reproducing meme -- "a unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another" -- which is exactly what NASA apparently ilntended to plant at JPL that afternoon. To deliberately "infect" the American culture with the sotry that "The Moon landing was all a fake!"

Was this all some far-seeing "back-up plan" if, in some point in the future, it started to emerge why the astronauts had really gone to the moon?

Fox, the "fair and blanaced" network, activated the meme in 2001 -- with the Did We Land on the Moon? special. There, waiting in the wings was a neatly-packaged 30-year-old "conspiracy theory" perfectly gift-wrapped for those finally beginning to "disbelieve" in NASA. An officially concocted "inoculation" against troublemakers who would one day place before many of those same national reporters a set of embarrassing official Apollo photographs, asking the crucial question: "What did NASA really find during its Apollo missions to the Moon?"
-----
“blunting the idealism of youth is a national security project” - Hugh Manatee Wins
User avatar
psynapz
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:01 pm
Location: In the Flow, In the Now, Forever
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Penguin » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:39 am

Yes, I read it, but I dont know what I should say of it :)
Sorry...
Penguin
 
Posts: 5089
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby psynapz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:49 am

Penguin wrote:Yes, I read it, but I dont know what I should say of it :)
Sorry...


Me neither, that's kind of the problem. Did you read all of "Dark Mission"? Half of it is really good info. The other half puts a strain on the brain trying to see through the eyes of the author. Not quite as clear as the squibs popping out ahead of the WTC collapse waves, and not quite as credible as Sybil Edmonds, but some of the rampant NASA coverup and ritualistic behavior is pretty hard to deny, especially given the Brookings report as reasoning.
“blunting the idealism of youth is a national security project” - Hugh Manatee Wins
User avatar
psynapz
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:01 pm
Location: In the Flow, In the Now, Forever
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Penguin » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:55 am

I didnt see the whole book on the site? Ah, excerpts..
I suppose Ive learned by rote the mantra of the Psychonauts and Hackers - Valuable information shall be given for free, fuck economics!
Eat one shall, but not by profiting from Information that can be copied and multiplied for Free, basically. Screw registrations and member-only sites as well, that sucks.

Am now looking at the site..

I had a curious thought..
What about the movie and series Stargate?
That series has this exact occult stuff as its main thematic..The egyptian sky gods, and their worm hole portals and space ships and ancient technology...

(I would not be surprised if NASAs main function was feeding the mushrooms and keeping em in the dark...Just musing, of course)

psynapz: and what about this blog?
http://secretsun.blogspot.com/
Penguin
 
Posts: 5089
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby psynapz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:22 pm

Penguin wrote:What about the movie and series Stargate?
That series has this exact occult stuff as its main thematic..The egyptian sky gods, and their worm hole portals and space ships and ancient technology...

(I would not be surprised if NASAs main function was feeding the mushrooms and keeping em in the dark...Just musing, of course)


Watershed Book: The Stargate Conspiracy

Long and Fascinating Mindfuck (free read):
Stargate Cipher 2012 by Goro Adachi, genius, commercial synchromystic and whiny-ass copyrighter.
“blunting the idealism of youth is a national security project” - Hugh Manatee Wins
User avatar
psynapz
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:01 pm
Location: In the Flow, In the Now, Forever
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Penguin » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Actually reading that excerpt pdf, I remembered one long and dark night when I waded thru dozens of pictures claiming to be forests on Mars, and of the face on Mars, and I bet some Hoaglands stuff.

Would make sense. But have no opinion really.
Ill check out that other stuff you linked.

Whiny-ass copyrighter, nice term!
Penguin
 
Posts: 5089
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Penguin » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:43 pm

Theres also an Asimov short story where people go to Mars after devastating Earth ecologically. On Mars, they find, what else but the remains of the civilization that had devastated Mars and gone to Earth for survival ;)
Penguin
 
Posts: 5089
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby justdrew » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:51 pm

Ben D wrote:No I don't know anything about the high resolution video tapes but it is technically true that with analogue video, which is what I understood was transmitted from the moon, suffers some degradation through any relay process and therefore the best quality video would be received initially by the big dish at Parkes, or at Goldstone, etc... When it came through Moree, it was in North American NTSC 525/60 TV line standard so that determines the resolution.


no time right now to type much but here's some info on it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program_missing_tapes
User avatar
justdrew
 
Posts: 11966
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 7:57 pm
Location: unknown
Blog: View Blog (11)

Postby psynapz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:12 pm

Penguin wrote:Theres also an Asimov short story where people go to Mars after devastating Earth ecologically. On Mars, they find, what else but the remains of the civilization that had devastated Mars and gone to Earth for survival ;)


I think this is probably true. We're the Martians, or more specifically, the Sumerians were until they suddenly appeared as a fully-formed civilization 4000 years ago, out of nowhere and seemingly from nothing.

Perhaps they (or their creators... the Sirians?) employed sacred geometry to resonate themselves here in anticipation of or response to an ecological disaster there. Perhaps...
“blunting the idealism of youth is a national security project” - Hugh Manatee Wins
User avatar
psynapz
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:01 pm
Location: In the Flow, In the Now, Forever
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby marmot » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:58 pm

KeenInsight wrote:You'd think with all those UFO's flying about NASA would have something better to do than fake space exploration.

like, perhaps, maybe, gearing up the world and setting the stage for a fake alien invasion??
Last edited by marmot on Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.
marmot
 
Posts: 2354
Joined: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:52 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:22 pm

brainpanhandler said:
Maybe so, but then who gives a flying fuck about the rest of the morons that are persuaded by this gambit? They were beyond enlightening anyways if they are willing to write off all conspiracy theory in every area because some people believe the moon landings were hoaxed.

When we talk about a wide swath of modern society, it’s helpful to remind ourselves of the existence of Project Mockingbird and all its evil spawn. Mass mind control programs were absolutely historically real and (I believe) are on-going. People need not be morons to be manipulated into mental responses that suit the Controllers.

Simply by failing to teach people how to think rigorously, the Powers That Be have crippled society (and covered their own asses) very neatly. Those of us who are resistant enough to programing to defy Authority anyway are, to a great degree, on our own. We’ve awakened from the Herd Daze enough to become aware that something is very wrong with the Official Story, but our personal investigations can be very confusing. Partly because we’re teaching ourselves how to think rationally and deeply and partly due to all the shiny disinformation we keep stumbling across.

Falling for the shiny objects doesn’t make us morons, it makes us human and thus able to be manipulated. I was uncomfortable even with using the term “useful idiots” even though it appears to be the disinfo spooks’ own term for people who unwittingly assist them. And I was appalled to see orz’s nasty rejoinder, where he suggested replacing “ful” with “less”. What snarky adolescent nastiness that was--completely unnecessary and trollish. Let’s not forget that we here are more alike than we are different--one person’s shiny object is another’s pet instance of obvious disinfo. But at least we’re asking questions.

There’s a guy named Phillip Coppens who’s done research for the people who wrote the Stargate book and for other kinda-New Age conspiracy writers. I find his own material to often be more informative and engaging than the books produced by the people who’ve hired him. No idea how he’s thought of here, but I’ll provide a link to his Stargate article’s introduction. He’s also written on the moon landings hoax here and here’s some Moon conspiracy history. I found Coppens’ site back when I began to be able to see through another disinfo psy-op--a much larger and more complex one than the Moon landing stuff: the UFO contactees and abductees.

Jeff’s written quite a bit on this subject too. I feel at this point that it’s another fertile field for disinformational manipulation--there really are UFOs, so an existing mystery is co-opted for purposes best known to the US intelligence agencies. Since I was thoroughly sucked into that one for most of my life, I try to be patient with people who've been sucked into others...at least we're all trying to see behind the curtain. That has to count for something....

LilyPat
User avatar
LilyPatToo
 
Posts: 1474
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:08 pm
Location: Oakland, CA USA
Blog: View Blog (0)

occult (mind control) scientists connection?

Postby marmot » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:44 pm

I don't have a personal opinion one way or another as to whether the moon landing was faked or not. I do, however, believe that a staged landing was indeed possible. Wasn't (in 1969) NASA infused with nazi scientists; and many of these (operation paperclip) occult scientists, were they not also in the business of creating trauma-based-mind-control operatives deep inside (according to several victims) NASA installations?

Image
marmot
 
Posts: 2354
Joined: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:52 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby orz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:17 pm

Yes but not so much in the business of making dust fly in a parabolic arc. etc.

LilyPat sorry about that, got kind of carried away with scattershot sarcasm. :oops:
orz
 
Posts: 4107
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:25 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:43 pm

KeenInsight wrote:
You'd think with all those UFO's flying about NASA would have something better to do than fake space exploration.

Marmot responded:
"like, perhaps, maybe, gearing up the world and setting the stage for a fake alien invasion?"

****
Bingo!
It sure wouldn't surprise THIS semi-detached cynic overly much.

BTW: I TOO became immersed one late night into 'exploring' the crystal snake-cave-caverns and lost city megaliths, decayed spires and eroded towers of some ancient ancestral martianscape. DEEP Shit, maan. Ya can get lost in that offworld exploration. Better, more reliably done perhaps thru deep dreamstate shapeshifting astral travellin', esp. accompanied by a panoptical digital recorder. What a Youtube vid THAT would make, eh?

Also -- Psynapz (CooL handle!) re: pre-extinction Sirians employed sacred gemetry (ie., geo-dimensional?) -resonating a timetunnel escape mechanism to earth, eh? Becoming, Ourselves, or re-engineering their DNA perhaps to boost helpful genetic mutations. Cosmic portents, like ...

Whatever yer smokin', send sum myway. ( ;

And KOOL Asimov plot, Penguin re: Martian ruins recalling earthpeeps past history fleeing widespread eco collapse, shades of global warming (hEh!) or iceage etc, runaway or self-induced catastrophism. I don't recall having run across it specif. in my previous hardcore sci-fi diet days.


But it brings to mind the shortstory (masterpiece, really), I -think- by A, of a terrestrial astronaut exploring Mars pausing along a rocky ridgeline with a vast yawning panaroma-chasm/canyon spreading out to the horizon far beyond and below, where there's a curious spiritual-resonance moment transcending time where his spirit-essence communes with a long-since-extinct Martian that once paused and reflectively shared the same instant on the very same spot. Sent chills up-n-down my back it did.


LilyPatToo:
Awesome, well-sed, graciously-deft & thoughtful insights, re:

--quote--
"When we talk about a wide swath of modern society, it’s helpful to remind ourselves of the existence of Project Mockingbird and all its evil spawn. Mass mind control programs were absolutely historically real and (I believe) are on-going. People need not be morons to be manipulated into mental responses that suit the Controllers.

"Simply by failing to teach people how to think rigorously, the Powers That Be have crippled society (and covered their own asses) very neatly. Those of us who are resistant enough to programing to defy Authority anyway are, to a great degree, on our own. We’ve awakened from the Herd Daze enough to become aware that something is very wrong with the Official Story, but our personal investigations can be very confusing. Partly because we’re teaching ourselves how to think rationally and deeply and partly due to all the shiny disinformation we keep stumbling across.

"Falling for the shiny objects doesn’t make us morons, it makes us human and thus able to be manipulated... "

*****
Zowee Fandango HooRayMan, I nominate you for today's RI Blissed-Out Soul-Manna BrainWakee-Wakee Award.

You ROCK-n-Chill, grrrl. We need all he help we can get, to remember and creatively deal with the fact we're all in this overcrowded lifeboat together, cast adrift and plunging headlong & breakneck along the outer reaches of this backwater galactic vortex approaching its plane of perihelion to a backdrop of the heavenly sphere's orchestral mass-energy dynamo symphony among the stellar remnants and flotsam of the cosmic aether. Half of the assholes who wanna be Captain are certifiably crazy and/or have the moral and intellectual maturity of mass-murdering psychopaths, while at least 1/10th of the hapless indentured-by-default crew spend most of their lazyass waking moments and much of their slumber dreamtime plotting and scheming how to nab the lousy scrap of daily bread ration from widows and orphans. Sometimes hard to 'love' let alone abide the more riff-raff derelicts, drunks and liars, flimaflam conmen, spiritual lechers, parasites and leeches among us -- and so its useful to be reminded once inna while we each have the potential to be someone or do something we despise.

Modern Disinfo & psyops is one helluva mindfuck minefield, with corp-gov propaganda and infowar employing basic & cutting-edge principles of psychology and chemistry, mass media and alchemical magick ritual & incantations, trickery, fomulas as well as newest lo-hi tech tools & gadgets.

Damn, we SHOULD be trembling with respectful razor-edged poise & vigilant awareness, as the 'old' fight-or-flight instincts just aren't adapted yet to the new-world dangers we face.
(Gosh, I hope the connection here isn't too OT or obscure.)

But &* So, Great link/cite re: Phillip Coppens; I will Definitely check him, it/'em out.
Thanx!

-St@rm*nSky&
StarmanSkye
 
Posts: 2670
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:32 pm
Location: State of Jefferson
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 145 guests