American Dream wrote:I'm a little puzzled by the turn this thread has taken.
Percival and mulebone, I'm having a hard time figuring out if you reject the the larger scenario which Rigorous Intuition has often advanced, i.e. a loose network of pedophiles and mind controllers practicing ritual abuse and including some level of elite participation and governmental protection.
If you are not rejecting the overall thesis, are you differing only over McMartin, or what?
It is a good question and I dont know how to answer it. I just dont think its cool to go around accusing people of things without evidence to back it up. Like Mulebone indicated, they found nothing, nada, zero, no evidence at all. Am I to believe the entire MB police dept was in on this?
I hate to adopt a strategy of disbelieving children but the tactics used to interrogate them were disgusting and inept and the fact that the case didnt blow up until that letter was sent out to all the parents just makes me wonder if it was real or just the result of the satanic panic hysteria that was sweeping the nation at the time.
I think there was some plumbing work done and to avoid breaking up the classroom concrete foundation to get to the leaky toilet plumbing, an outside route was dug under the outside west wall and in order to get under the foundations OUTSIDE WALL FOOTER which is deeper than the rest of the slab, an archway had to be chisled away by the plumber so he could get in there and work, I have done exactly that in my own construction business. I think that passage to that pipe was left unfilled and covered with something (rabbit cages?) so that a plumber could get back in there should the problem arise again and it is likely children saw the hole and perhaps one of the teachers told them tall tales of secret tunnels and passageways to entertain them on a rainy day. Makes perfect sense to me. I also think the site was a rural homeowners garbage dump at one time like the above article indicates and I am puzzled as to why Stickler did not even consider this as a possible explanation.
I am not denying this shit takes place, I am sure it does but I see no evidence with which to come to the conclusion that it happened at McMartin, at least the way some will have us believe it did. I suppose some abuse may have taken place there, I think that is likely at any preschool or anywhere a large number of children are together in one place, there is likely to be a bad apple somewhere nearby.
I am sure large scale, well organized networks of pedophiles exist but I have never witnessed such with my own eyes and I hope I never do.
Alot of times when I argue against something I will admit, like Mulder, that I WANT TO BELIEVE. But this is different, I dont want to believe it, I dont want to argue in favor of it happening and I pray to whatever God may be out there, for the sake of those children, that it did not happen. If it did, may those who perpetrated it rott in hell.
On edit, one thing that does stand out to me is the big deal that was made about Buckey not wearing underwear because he and his friends decided to ride free. I can understand that, I often do it myself, however, it also mentions that he wore shorts that were shorter than his legs, and I know that was the style in the early 80s and they didnt wear these long down to the knees oversized bermuda shorts that we do now, not wearing anything under them is no real big deal, but had I not worn underwear when I was growing up in the 80s, wearing cutoff jeans and OP shorts that ran up the crack of my ass, which was the style at the time, I would have been hanging out all over and I do find that a little odd that Ray Buckey would be running around like that in a preschool, however, we do have to remember this is a major beach town and that is often how those kids dressed at the time. But that little tidbit always made me wonder about Ray.
