Poll: who thinks last weks earthquake was caused by HAARP

[anothershamus]

It seems that the conversation RE Chavez on other mainstream blogs I like and know skews towards "crazy Chavez" like about oh, 100 percent.

It got me to thinking: what makes us so effing crazy here? Or at least odd?

I know I hold my shit together when it comes to commenting in the public square of the mainstream and I come here to say what I really think. I'm not crazy, I'm just "creative" and love hyperbole. I also believe in the deep impact of evil.

If I were to totally go the route of what evil and the occult is -- Haiti was an occult sacrifice and the fear, the meme of fear, was meant for everybody else vibrating out of the intensity of the Haitian souls. Chavez for all we know, could be and always could have been an accomplice, an agent. Fear, uncertainty and doubt -- FUD. All large powerful incorporated entities engage in it.

My sci-fi writing brain skews for itself, into the "oh absolutely. Doomsday device all the way!". Prosaic, scientific side, in which I was trained all my life says "natural disasters can happen anytime and anywhere".

Combine the two and I get "Gee. What an utterly absurdly fabulously understandable coinkidink!" This is why I never talk politics and current events with my liberal friends. And certainly not conspiracies! (maybe when I am drunk enough) I make up for it in sports talk, video game talk and gossip about others. I've gotten quite a few friends interested in the NFL mafia shit we've been discussing here inspired in my mind by that long running NFL thread. Groups of conservative, but friendly military dudes I've met around and about, however, are really into my "alter-ego", which just so happens to be my true self.

(just a personal anecdote -- apologies)

No apologies needed 82_28! I have the same circle of friends, one can throw out some of the readings from RI only at the right time, with the right person or group, and usually only when altered consciousness are in play.
(and by the way I love your avatar,One of my favorite films, Brazil!)

[Joe Hillshoist]

The earth's plates moves... then there are Earthquakes. Nothing too special about it, it just happens.

If HAARP actually puts warheads deep into the Earth, then well... Humanity is quite simple a waste of damn space on this Planet. 'Nuff said.

How can HAARP put warheads deep into the earth?

What does that even mean?

Its HAARP Its a Radar array.... well an antenna array.

It transmits energy. I know that rave I put in the thread on the Norwegian UFO thread might suggest otherwise but I really doubt its usefulness as a weapon, it takes humungous amounts of energy to use, its not like a nuclear weapon. It might theoretically be possible to some way transmit enough energy into the earth to cause an earthquake, but .... I dunno how to even begin to work out how much energy it'd take, or how easy ... it'd take too much energy I reckon.

[chump]

The earth's plates moves... then there are Earthquakes. Nothing too special about it, it just happens.

If HAARP actually puts warheads deep into the Earth, then well... Humanity is quite simple a waste of damn space on this Planet. 'Nuff said.

How can HAARP put warheads deep into the earth?

What does that even mean?

Its HAARP Its a Radar array.... well an antenna array.

It transmits energy. I know that rave I put in the thread on the Norwegian UFO thread might suggest otherwise but I really doubt its usefulness as a weapon, it takes humungous amounts of energy to use, its not like a nuclear weapon. It might theoretically be possible to some way transmit enough energy into the earth to cause an earthquake, but .... I dunno how to even begin to work out how much energy it'd take, or how easy ... it'd take too much energy I reckon.

I don't know how it works; something about spanking an electron through the ionosphere and somehow it gathers energy. Here's a brief description from this: Is it the weather or government terror? By Jerry Mazza

Nikola Tesla, the so called "mad genius" or "wild man" of electronics was convinced he could develop enough electric power "to split the earth like an apple." Experimenting for a wealthy employer in the electric business in Colorado Springs, Tesla managed to black out the entire city and set the power generator on fire. The roar was heard for more than ten miles. Yet he moved on to bigger and more successful ideas, like missiles, particle beam weaponry, satellites, nuclear fission, and robots at the turn of the 20th century.

Dr. Bernard Eastland based his work on Tesla's principles as Begich and Manning discovered. Their observations are related in the Angels' article, in the section called "Weather Control" . . .

Avalanches of energy dislodged by such radio waves could hit us hard. Their work suggests that technicians could control global weather by sending relatively small 'signals' into the Van Allen belts (radiation belts around Earth). Thus Tesla's resonance effects can control enormous energies by tiny triggering signals.

The Begich/ Manning book asks whether that knowledge will be used by war-oriented or biosphere-oriented scientists.

The military has had about twenty years to work on weather warfare methods, which it euphemistically calls weather modification. For example, rainmaking technology was taken for a few test rides in Vietnam. The U.S. Department of Defense sampled lightning and hurricane manipulation studies in Project Skyfire and Project Stormfury. And they looked at some complicated technologies that would give big effects.

Angels Don't Play This HAARP cites an expert who says the military studied both lasers and chemicals which they figured could damage the ozone layer over an enemy. Looking at ways to cause earthquakes, as well as to detect them, was part of the project named Prime Argus, decades ago. The money for that came from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA, now under the acronym ARPA.) In 1994 the Air Force revealed its Spacecast 2020 master plan which includes weather control. Scientists have experimented with weather control since the 1940's, but Spacecast 2020 noted that "using environmental modification techniques to destroy, damage or injure another state are prohibited." Having said that, the Air Force claimed that advances in technology "compels a reexamination of this sensitive and potentially risky topic."

also:

Dr. Bernard Eastland based his work on Tesla's principles as Begich and Manning discovered. Their observations are related in the Angels' article, in the section called "Weather Control" . . .

Avalanches of energy dislodged by such radio waves could hit us hard. Their work suggests that technicians could control global weather by sending relatively small 'signals' into the Van Allen belts (radiation belts around Earth). Thus Tesla's resonance effects can control enormous energies by tiny triggering signals.

I don't know but I get the feeling that it can be done; but I suppose an A-bomb might work too. Then again, it might just be an earthquake.

[dbcooper41]

tesla, haarp, they're both all about resonance. that's how they work, if they do.
personally i'm sceptical of both.

[chump]

Here is a follow up to the Article that I posted last week in which the "Pentagate" author follows up on Hugo Chavez's supposed remarks about HAARP and Haiti.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article163729.html

Also, a little more background on the subject:

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcatego ... subcatid=1

Quote:

Conclusions:

It would be rash to assume that HAARP is an isolated experiment which would not be expanded. It is related to fifty years of intensive and increasingly destructive programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere.

It would be rash not to associate HAARP with the space laboratory construction which is separately being planned by the United States. HAARP is an integral part of a long history of space research and development of a deliberate military nature.

The military implications of combining these projects is alarming.

Basic to this project is control of communications, both disruption and reliability in hostile environments. The power wielded by such control is obvious.

The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver very large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening.

The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against incoming weapons, or, for the more gullible, a devise for repairing the ozone layer.

What can Haarp do?

It uses an array of antennae to focus energy on a certain spot in the ionosphere, heating it to raise the ionosphere, which then reflects that energy back to a designated point at a much amplified level. I was wondering if it could be somehow analogous to focusing the suns rays through a magnifying glass onto a dry leave so it will catch on fire? Does the same principle apply to electromagnetics?

Also, it can effect weather by heating a vast area of the ionosphere, lifting it up, to create an air flow anomaly to affect the weather. I was wondering that when the ionosphere is lifted, if it doesn't then fall, or even snap back into place, to create a wave of energy and flow, such as when you throw a blanket onto your bed?

It was said that Haarp can create a hole in the ionosphere, which ordinarily protects the Earth, then vast amounts of cosmic energy will come through.

The problem is, it almosts seems that any podunk organization in the world can build this sort of thing and use it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

HAARP doesn't magically produce energy out of the vacuum.

Thats why those facilities are usually located near energy sources (read reserves of fossil fuel),

The amount of energy needed to cause the rupture that caused the Asian Tsunami ... what would that be approximately? Probably more than those facilities can generate.

Perhaps if there was an identified weak spot and a way of transmitting that energy to it, but even then ... I honestly can't see it happening, or how t could without some actual figures on the energy it would take.

Messing with the crust is not the same as heating the ionosphere.


However on that note I'd be surprised of those sort of facilities were incapable of manipulating the atmosphere in a way that caused changes in the weather. Urban heat islands seem to have an effect on the weather, and although they are different to haarp.

Some people claim that heating the atmosphere can cause the ionosphere to focus as a sort of lens focusing the suns energy to a point on earth. I honestly dunno but its possible. Obviously pumping energy into the atmosphere creates an effect, and the simplest and most useful (as far as weapons go) one I can think of is heating the ocean in front of tropical storms. So if you can turn the ionosphere, or any part of the atmosphere into a lens then heat the ocean in front of tropical storms during storm season you have a weapon based on weather modification, (dunno about the term weather "control" as it implies alot more control and power over the weather than is probably necessary to achieve useful effects.) There are other ways to tweak the dynamics that form hurricanes tho, if haarp can heat the atmosphere can it heat it anywhere? And can it cause areas near the heated area to drop in temp? If so you could possible control hurricane formation by directly changing the heat differential between the surface of the earth and the tropopause. Thats effectively the same thing as heating the ocean tho, which seems on the face of it the easier and cheaper option. But messing with the heat differentials in between the surface and atmospheric boundary layers may actually provide a crude means of steering a storm... Possibly.

Thats a far cry from some of the stuff people say about HAARP tho.

[No_Baseline]

Haiti’s Earthquake: Natural or Engineered?

http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/haiti ... ngineered/

Bertell says its:

“related to fifty years of intensive and increasingly destructive programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere. (It’s) an integral part of a long history of space research and development of a deliberate military nature. (Their) implications (are) alarming. Basic to this project is control of communications, both (their) disruption and reliability in hostile environments. The power wielded by such control is obvious.”

“The ability of the HAARP/Spacelab/rocket combination to deliver very large amounts of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening.” Yet the public is told it’s “a space shield against incoming weapons (or) a devise for repairing the ozone layer.”

By modifying the ionosphere, HAARP can be hugely destructive. Potentially, it can trigger floods, droughts, hurricanes, tsunamis, forest fires, and power blackouts over entire regions. It can disrupt radar, other communications, agriculture, ecology, and financial and other markets. It can use weather to wage war, and perhaps cause earthquakes like the one that struck Haiti."

[Joe Hillshoist]

By modifying the ionosphere, HAARP can be hugely destructive. Potentially, it can trigger floods, droughts, hurricanes,

They are within its potential, tho the practicality of causing a drought as opposed to a hurricane.

tsunamis,

how? (Ok by earthquakes ... we'll get to that.)

forest fires, and power blackouts over entire regions. It can disrupt radar, other communications, agriculture, ecology, and financial and other markets.

Those things are all within its potential.

But how does she then get this:

It can use weather to wage war, and perhaps cause earthquakes like the one that struck Haiti."

???



There is a very interesting thread here somewhere about HAARP and Hurricane Katrina, from the time of Hurricane katrina, in which someone, probably EiAe' produced some pretty funky surface temp readings in front of the hurricane. Dunno where they came from but they were certainly suggestive.

It was before I ever got here so I don't remember the details. But someone might.

Anything remotely resembling a semblence of evidence that its actually possible to cause earthquakes with haarp might be good to have.





If we are gonna start suggesting that it might have caused the Haiti earthquake.

Cos otherwise people might start assuming some of other its actual real potential uses, like radar and comms interference or blackouts and the inherent effect that can have on markets, and everything else; or heating the atmosphere and ocean and the general havoc that can cause, in the short and long term, on everything, are all just bullshit too.

So some evidence, or at least some original speculation that might stand up to some scrutiny.

If not can we just accept that haarp causing earthquakes is crap.

At least till someone provides a credible mechanism for how it actually happens.

[lupercal]

At least till someone provides a credible mechanism for how it actually happens.

Joe as I understand the article there are several forms of human activity that can trigger earthquakes including damn-building, injecting liquids into the ground, mineral and gas extraction, etc. And HAARP appears to be just one of several military environmental modification techniques, which had gotten far enough along for the UN to develop a "Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques" in 1977, stating in Article I that:

“Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.”

So the idea seems to be that the military-use EM has gotten pretty far along, suggesting that the "test" Chavez accused the USN of conducting in all likelihood wasn't really a test. In any case I don't see Lendman making any definitive claims about Haiti.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/haiti ... ngineered/

[brainpanhandler]

It might theoretically be possible to some way transmit enough energy into the earth to cause an earthquake, but .... I dunno how to even begin to work out how much energy it'd take, or how easy ... it'd take too much energy I reckon.

Think of it like aikido Joe.

[Maddy]

Were last weeks eartquakes caused by HAARP

No, it is a ridiculous notion
I can't rule it out
It's beginning to look like it
Almost certainly

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I still want to enter my option! I keep trying to, but I think the poll hates me. It tells me to screw off, very politely!

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At any rate, I can't rule it out.

Carry on!

[crikkett]

tesla, haarp, they're both all about resonance. that's how they work, if they do.
personally i'm sceptical of both.

"Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete..." (8:10 mark)

[Fred Astaire]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6994452.ece

Boy, The British Navy just got out of there in time, huh. What an amazing coincidence. Hey, it's just like that Israeli company that fled the Twin Towers just before 9/11. I guess it's all in the timing.

[Nordic]

Joe, I think HAARP gets blamed because it's a project that we know about. It's mysterious, but it's definitely there, so people blame "whatever" on it.

Based on Cohen's statements, and just the scope of human evil in general, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody could figure out a way to come up with an "earthquake weapon". Seems far fetched, even for as James Bond movie, but Cohen actually said it, right?

And if that's the case, and it exists, somehow, then it's something, somewhere, that we haven't seen, don't know about. HAARP is pointed the wrong direction as far as we know.

God only knows what this thing would be, or where it is. "Electromagnetic weapons" was the term used, right? So where do you get that? Yeah, look to Tesla, look to lasers, colliders, nuclear powered stuff, microwave generators, if we're talking about messing with the electromagnetic spectrum.

You know they've come up with EMF weapons, so maybe this is a branch of that.

But HAARP? I agree it's a silly idea.

[Fred Astaire]

In all the pictures I've seen, the HAARP facility in Alaska doesn't look very well-guarded. I get the sense that it's just a diversion from the REAL cool toys they have, which are no doubt sequestered in such a way that we'll never even know they're there.