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Postby Plutonia » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:05 am

apparently what Lamo is doing up there ^^ see screen shot of his monitor - is "sniffing Tor traffic."

People using the TOR network to guarantee their privacy have used the network to read their email and browse the web. Anytime you use an unencrypted protocol (e.g. HTTP, POP3, IMAP) some people participating in the TOR network can read your traffic. The TOR network has encryption in place, but only in the internal network. When your information is send from the TOR network to the internet server it is NOT encrypted, so the last TOR node can see your request (and response) in plain text.

So how do you setup a machine to get some information from the TOR network. It is actually pretty simple. You install a machine with your favourite OS (Linux, Windows or OSX), you install the TOR client software and configure it as an exit node. Now your TOR node is routing TOR traffic and people can also use it as an exit node to request information from the internet. The only thing left is to dump the unencrypted packets to disk for analyses. There are many ways to do that, but tcpdump or similar works fine. Later analysis can be done with the dsniff tools to extract passwords, emails and chat-conversations or ethereal for a full packet analysis.

Tor is secure for the purpose it was made for. It is secure in protecting your anonymity by encrypting all the traffic between the TOR nodes and masking your ip address for the final destination, be it www.hotmail.com or any other server. It will however not protect you from the dangers of using an unencrypted protocol. There are some other security issues with TOR, but that is for a later blogpost.

How to protect against TOR exit-node sniffing? Use encrypted protocols. Use SSL when using pop, imap or http. Use a extra SSL proxy layer while serving the web (e.g. proxify.com) and use POP3S and IMAPS when reading your email. Ask your email provider if these protocols are supported, most providers do.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Laodicean » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:56 am

Daniel Ellsberg, Others Face Off with Riot Cops in Mass Arrests at Bradley Manning Protest

When up to 30 activists were arrested yesterday at Quantico protesting the inhumane treatment of Bradley Manning, Daniel Ellsberg among them, it was reportedly because they would not budge from an intersection. New videos from the scene, captured by Glass Bead Collective, shows the resolute and peaceful nature of the protests -- and the disproportionate presence of cops in riot gear.


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Postby crikkett » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:43 am

Plutonia wrote:Al Jazeera inadvertently outed Adrian Lamo's whereabouts in a recent interview -everyone is invited to call and ask him about his chats with Manning:

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:46 pm

Urgent leak investigation needed
By Glenn Greenwald
Thursday, Mar 24, 2011 18:25 ET

A serious leak of classified information has just taken place -- which, as we all know, is a dastardly crime for which the harshest punishment is merited. To make matters even more grave, this time the unauthorized disclosure has taken place during A Time of War, resulting in the illegal publication of sensitive information about the nation's enemy. The leak was transmitted to Associated Press, which then published it to the world:

Libyan state television showed blackened and mangled bodies that it said were victims of airstrikes in Tripoli. . . . A U.S. intelligence report on Monday, the day after coalition missiles attacked Gadhafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound in the capitol, said that a senior Gadhafi aide was told to take bodies from a morgue and place them at the scene of the bomb damage, to be displayed for visiting journalists. A senior U.S. defense official revealed the contents of the intelligence report on condition of anonymity because it was classified secret.


I wonder if Eric Holder will shortly announce an investigation to find out who is responsible for this leak? Will the guilty party be charged with a capital crime and be held in solitary confinement near a cell occupied by Bradley Manning? Only time will tell. Thankfully, AP has granted anonymity to this courageous whistleblower and will hopefully safeguard his identity in the event that a criminal investigation ensues. After all, leaking information that is "classified secret" is a crime which this administration takes very, very seriously.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:54 pm

Bradley Manning Treatment Reveals Continued Government Complicity in Torture

By Prof. Marjorie Cohn

March 25, 2011
American Constitution Society Book Talk


Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is facing court-martial for leaking military reports and diplomatic cables to WikiLeaks, is being held in solitary confinement in Quantico brig in Virginia. Each night, he is forced to strip naked and sleep in a gown made of coarse material. He has been made to stand naked in the morning as other inmates walked by and looked. As journalist Lance Tapley documents in his chapter on torture in the supermax prisons in The United States and Torture, solitary confinement can lead to hallucinations and suicide; it is considered to be torture. Manning's forced nudity amounts to humiliating and degrading treatment, in violation of U.S. and international law.

Nevertheless, President Barack Obama defended Manning's treatment, saying, "I've actually asked the Pentagon whether or not the procedures . . . are appropriate. They assured me they are." Obama's deference is reminiscent of President George W. Bush, who asked "the most senior legal officers in the U.S. government" to review the interrogation techniques. "They assured me they did not constitute torture," Bush said.

The order for Manning's nudity apparently followed what he described as a sarcastic comment he made to guards after their repeated harassment of him regarding how he was to salute them. Manning said that if he were intent on strangling himself, he could use his underwear or flip-flops.

"In my 40 years of hospital psychiatric practice, I've never heard of something like this," said Dr. Steven Sharfstein, a former president of the American Psychiatric Association. "In some very unusual circumstances, when people are intensely suicidal, you might put them in a hospital gown. ... But it's very, very unusual to be in that kind of suicide watch for this long a period of time."

Sharfstein also was concerned that military officials appeared to defy the recommendations of mental health professionals. "He's been examined by psychiatrists who said he's not suicidal. ... They are making medical judgments in the face of medical evaluations to the contrary," Sharfstein noted.

After State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley criticized Manning's conditions of confinement, the White House forced him to resign. Crowley had said the restrictions were "ridiculous, counterproductive and stupid." It appears that Washington is more intent on sending a message to would-be whistleblowers than on upholding the laws that prohibit torture and abuse.

Torture is commonplace in countries strongly allied with the United States. Vice President Omar Suleiman, Egypt's intelligence chief, was the lynchpin for Egyptian torture when the CIA sent prisoners to Egypt in its extraordinary rendition program. A former CIA agent observed, "If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear - never to see them again - you send them to Egypt." In her chapter in The United States and Torture, New Yorker journalist Jane Mayer cites Egypt as the most common destination for suspects rendered by the United States.

She describes the rendering of Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi to Egypt, where he was tortured and made a false confession that Colin Powell cited as he importuned the Security Council to approve the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Al-Libi later recanted his confession.

Although there is general consensus that torture does not work - the subject will say anything to get the torture to stop - what if it did work? Would that justify torturing people into providing information? Philosopher John Lango's chapter asks whether an extreme emergency can ever trump the absolute prohibition of torture. Lango rejects the nuclear weapon and ticking bomb scenarios as "fantasy" and declares, "Terrorism can never warrant terroristic torment." He suggests a protocol to the Convention against Torture to fortify the moral prohibition of torture and cruel treatment.

The moral equivalence of torture and "one-sided warfare" is explored in Professor Richard Falk's provocative chapter. He contrasts the liberal moral outrage at torture with uncritical acceptance of one-sided warfare. Nations, particularly the United States, inflict horrific pain on primarily non-white people in other countries, but suffer no consequences. Falk draws an analogy between the torture victim and the subjects of one-sided warfare - both are under the total control of the perpetrator. He recommends adherence to international humanitarian law and repudiation of "wars of choice."

In The United States and Torture, an historian, a political scientist, a philosopher, a psychologist, a sociologist, two journalists and eight lawyers detail the complicity of the U.S. government in the torture and cruel treatment of prisoners both at home and abroad, and strategies for accountability. In her compelling preface, Sister Dianna Ortiz describes the unimaginable treatment she endured in 1987 when she was in Guatemala doing missionary work while the United States was supporting the dictatorship there. The first step in changing policy is to understand its history and the motivation behind it. I hope this book will accomplish that goal.



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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:49 pm

Pfc. Manning to be transferred to Army prison
Amid prisoner abuse accusations, WikiLeaks suspect being moved from Marine Corps brig

By Jim Miklaszewski Chief Pentagon correspondent
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updated 44 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — Under increasing public pressure and facing accusations of prisoner abuse, the Pentagon will transfer Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, suspected of leaking secret U.S. government documents to the WikiLeaks website, from the Marine Corps brig at Quantico, Va., to the Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, as early as Wednesday. It’s not only a change in venue, but a dramatic shift in the conditions of his confinement.

Manning was held in maximum security at Quantico, where he spent 23 hours a day and ate all his meals in an isolated cell, was permitted no contact with other prisoners and was forced to wear chains and leg irons any time he was moved. He also was often forced to strip naked at night and stand nude in his cell for early morning inspection.

The Marines claim they took his clothes to prevent him from injuring himself. Military and Pentagon officials insist the action was punishment for what the Marines considered disrespect from Manning. Such tactics for disciplinary reasons are against military regulations.

Once at Leavenworth, he’ll be placed in a new medium-security facility. Although locked in a cell at night, he’ll have some freedom of movement in an open day room, have contact and take meals with fellow prisoners, shower when he wants and have access to books and TV.

This will make visits with his civilian attorney, family and some friends more difficult, but it’s the nearest such facility for pre-trial confinement the Army has. Manning will have to return to Fort Belvoir in Virginia for any court appearances. Putting him back into Quantico is “out of the question,” according to Pentagon and military officials, so the Army may make arrangements with a civilian detention facility to hold him temporarily as needed.

U.S. military officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity, deny Manning was tortured, but one said "the Marines blew it” in terms of how they treated him.

Both White House and Pentagon officials grew increasingly concerned by the human rights drumbeat of public accusations and criticism of Manning’s treatment and wanted to put an end to it, they said.

The announcement, which is expected tomorrow morning, will be spun to say the Army requested the move, they said.

Why P.J. Crowley went rogue
To friends, colleagues and even critics, there are few more unlikely candidates than P.J. Crowley to become a free speech martyr and a darling of the left. A veteran of three decades in the Air Force public affairs division, Crowley was a notoriously tight-lipped spokesman for the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and has been viewed for most his career as a guy who, above all, hates to make news.

How to square that, then, with the Crowley who lost his job as assistant Secretary of State last month by characterizing Wikileaks suspect Bradley Manning's treatment by the Pentagon as "ridiculous, counterproductive and stupid"? The Crowley who was given a chance by take those words back by Philippa Thomas, a BBC reporter on leave as a Nieman fellow at Harvard University, but answered, after a brief pause, when Thomas asked if was speaking on the record: "Sure."

When Thomas reported Crowley's statement, some of his friends thought he'd acted on the flack's equivalent of a Freudian death wish, spontaneously combusting in the lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His critics in government, who'd long regarded him as too aggressive, even undisciplined, to speak from the State Department podium, viewed the statement as his latest gaffe.

To Crowley, it was neither. It was just the latest step in his characteristically low-key decision to go a just a little bit rogue, the latest step in a career spokesman's realization that words can have real power.

"When I paused and then agreed to have the remark on the record, I knew there was a dart that I was sending to the Pentagon," he said in a recent interview in the deserted bar of a Washington hotel

Crowley didn't know for sure he would lose his job the next day, he recalled, but he did realize what he'd done.

"I knew it would get attention," he said.

And it did. Crowley might have kept his job, or at least found a softer landing, had President Obama not been asked about his comment 18 hours later at a news conference and voiced full support of the Pentagon.

"When I understood that both the question had been posed to the President and he answered it the way he did, and then there was . what the White House staff thought of the situation," he said. "I knew I had lost their trust and confidence and in that circumstance I knew that I had to resign."

Washington, D.C. is full of people one sentence, on tweet, one false - that is, true - word away from ending their careers. A sarcastic comment about the boss, a passionate statement on policy, or an insensitive status update - all can be fatal to everyone from a member of Congress to a junior staffer at a public relations firm.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton brought Crowley, 59, to the State Department in part because he was viewed as someone who was virtually certain to make none of those mistakes. Crowley had always seemed the sole of discretion, a spokesman so wedded to the daily guidance during the Clinton White House years that reporters joked that he might go on background if asked what the next day's weather forecast looked like.

But unbeknown to his new colleagues at State - and many of his old friends across Washington - Crowley arrived at State after an evolution of sorts. The career Air Force officer, who had entered a military establishment still scarred by the Vietnam War and still deeply hostile to the press, spent his years in civilian life at the Center for American Progress, thinking about strategy. There, some colleagues were surprised to find that his politics seemed to have been shaped more, as one put it, by his native Massachusetts than the Air Force. He settled on the idea of "strategic narrative," a concept that has made its way into national security jargon from business theory, and one he included in a report he wrote for CAP.

At the State Department podium, Crowley seemed to find his voice and to also realize that his voice could shape policy. "In the digital global age that we're in, our actions and our words have greater impact. I knew that at the podium - that I would say something and within a few hours, the message would be received somewhere else - and a response," he said. "That has impact, because on a regular basis, at the podium, I would challenge the impact of other countries on the treatment of their own citizens, their treatment of prisoners, on their treatment of the media."

And Crowley - to the occasional dismay of some of his colleagues at State and the White House - had come to view himself as having a special public role.

"There were times when I thought it was important to push for the United States to take a public stand," he said of his time at the podium. "I thought it was important to make sure that what we were saying and what we were doing would be consistent with, not only our interest but our values."

Behind the scenes at the State Department, he'd often argued for blunter, less diplomatic talk. And he'd at times angered the White House and his colleagues by straying dramatically from his official guidance, and positioning himself not just as a staid briefer but as a combatant on the global stage.

"The Egyptian government can't reshuffle the deck and then stand pat," he warned in one late January tweet that had not, officials said, been approved by the White House staffers trying to manage the chaos of President Hosni Mubarak's last days.

In an earlier instance, when Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi called for a Jihad against Switzerland last year, Crowley responded by mocking his lengthy speech at the United Nations.

"'Lots of words and lots of papers flying all over the place, not necessarily a lot of sense," he said.

Qadhafi was, at the time, still a sometime partner of the United States, and Libyan diplomats - and Crowley's own colleagues - were livid. He was forced to apologize.

"These comments do not reflect US policy and were not intended to offend," he said at time. But in his interview last week with POLITICO, he was less repentant. "I was not wrong. Maybe I wasn't diplomatic, but I was not wrong," Crowley said.

Even on the morning of his Manning remarks, Crowley had tweeted - and then deleted - a comparison of the Japanese tsunami to the metaphorical "tsunami" sweeping the Middle East and North Africa. He said he now regrets only deleting it, which he did because "my staff thought that that was insensitive."

To the Obama Administration's careful national security team, these and other Crowley comments were sloppy and infuriating. To Crowley, it was deliberate strategy in a job that has, as he sees it, an institutional role beyond the demands of day-to-day politics.

"I view myself as a strategic thinker and always tried to put what I was saying at the podium in a broader context and trying to always assess, will my words be credible?" he said.

Crowley has stood by his blunt criticism of the Defense Department's treatment of Manning, but it was the last straw, and the anger from the Pentagon and the White House ensured his immediate departure.

And the State Department quietly put out word that he was on his way out with nothing to lose, being pushed aside in favor of his deputy, Mike Hammer.

Neither of those claims is quite true. Crowley was indeed exhausted by his job and had critics in the White House and rivals in Clinton's inner circle. But he'd been offered the softest of landings, an ambassadorship, two senior Democrats said, a post the Manning comments cost him.

And Crowley has no obvious successor in a post that has served as the latest illustration of the quiet personnel wars that have long plagued Secretary Clinton. Crowley's tense relationship with her longtime aide and former Senate spokesman, Philippe Reines, proved so problematic that hints of it made it into a draft inspector general's report that also criticized Crowley's management. But the Assistant Secretary had been filling three roles: He was the Assistant Secretary, but Clinton had failed to hire a Principal Deputy for management after her first choice, Mary Ellen Glynn, fell through. Clinton had also been looking for another spokesman to brief reporters daily, and Crowley had suggested former Clinton White House and current State Department official Jonathan Prince, but no one was ever hired to fill the post. State Department officials suggested when Crowley departed that Hammer would permanently fill the post; now, two officials said, it appears that he won't.

Some observers also believed, after Crowley's explosive exit, that he had made a clever career move, positioning himself to leave government for a position as a hero of the left. The anti-war group Code Pink even protested outside the State Department.

But Crowley himself turns a bit pink at the memory of that protest, leaning in and folding his hands between his thighs out of evident embarrassment. Though he's made irregular television appearances, he hasn't become a leader of the campaign to free Manning, whom he thinks "should spend a long long time in jail," though his pre-trial treatment was undermining perceptions of the American legal system.

Crowley, for his part, plans to begin teaching, he said.

"I'm not a larger than life person," he said. "I'm short, bald and old."
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:46 pm

A new jail for Bradley Manning – but the controversy rages on

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

Thursday, 21 April 2011

Private Bradley Manning left his tiny cell in a United States Marine Corps prison for a long-term military detention centre in Kansas yesterday, as the Pentagon tried to cut short a deepening controversy that was turning into a stain on the reputation of Barack Obama's administration.

The transfer of Pte Manning, suspected of leaking thousands of classified cables to the WikiLeaks website, from the Marine brig at Quantico, Virginia, where he has been held since last June, to the main Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, was hastily announced by senior Defence Department officials on Tuesday evening. In the last few months, the harsh detention conditions of Pte Manning, as yet convicted of no crime and whose trial appears to be months away, have generated bewilderment and mounting anger in the US and abroad.

Publicly, the Pentagon continues to insist that no mistakes have been made, despite the 23-year-old soldier's confinement in a 6ft-by-12ft cell, removal of his clothes and a regime of intrusive, round-the-clock surveillance. The conditions were "in compliance with legal and regulatory standards in all respects," Jeh Johnson, the Pentagon's general counsel, said on Tuesday.

But critics at home and abroad disagreed. In recent weeks, Amnesty International and the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture have spoken out on the issue, with the latter delivering a virtually unprecedented censure of the US after he was denied access to Pte Manning at Quantico.

In a blistering off-the-record attack in March, the then State Department spokesman PJ Crowley described Pte Manning's treatment as "ridiculous, counter-productive and stupid". That language cost Mr Crowley his job – but also forced a discomfited Mr Obama to come to the Pentagon's defence during a White House press conference.

Yesterday Amnesty vowed to keep up the pressure. "We will be watching how he is treated very closely," Susan Lee, the human rights group's Americas programme director, said in a statement. Until such an assessment takes place, "it is still not possible to know... what restrictions he will be under at the new detention centre".

Pte Manning's lawyer, David Coombs, wrote on his blog: "While the defence hopes that the move to Fort Leavenworth will result in the improvement of Pfc Manning's conditions of confinement, it nonetheless intends to pursue redress at the appropriate time for the flagrant violations of his constitutional rights by the Quantico confinement facility."

The last straw may have been a letter due to appear in the next issue of The New York Review of Books, signed by almost 300 US and foreign legal scholars. It denounces Pte Manning's treatment as a violation of the US Constitution's Eighth Amendment ban on "cruel and unusual punishment", and on the Fifth Amendment guarantee against punishment without trial.

As a former professor of constitutional law, it notes, Mr Obama of all people should be aware of these dangers: "The question now is whether his conduct as Commander-in-Chief meets fundamental standards of decency."

It also gives a graphic description of how Pte Manning was held at Quantico, locked alone in his cell for 23 hours each day: "During his one remaining hour, he can walk in circles in another room, with no other prisoners present. He is not allowed to doze off or relax during the day, but must answer the question 'Are you OK?' verbally and in the affirmative every five minutes. At night, he is awakened to be asked again, 'Are you OK?' every time he turns his back to the cell door or covers his head with a blanket so that the guards cannot see his face."

At one point, he was forced to sleep naked and stand naked for inspection in front of his cell for a week. In the day, he also had to undress and wear a kind of smock – all because Pte Manning was considered a suicide risk, a claim that the prisoner himself and military psychiatrists have disputed.

He has told his lawyers he believes his harsh treatment was retribution by the brig authorities after a protest in his support outside Quantico. But many legal experts suspect it was also intended to pressure him into providing evidence that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was prime mover in a conspiracy.

Timeline

November 2009 Bradley Manning contacts WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange for the first time.

February-April 2010 Manning allegedly sends damaging footage of a US air strike to WikiLeaks, which publishes it as "Collateral Murder" on 5 April.

July 2010 Manning is charged with leaking the video and secret diplomatic cables to WikiLeaks.

March 2011 Twenty-two new charges are brought against Manning, including "aiding the enemy" (punishable by death). He accuses Virginia brig jailers of "unlawful pre-trial punishment" including stripping him naked every night.

April 2011 Manning is moved to a Kansas jail after international criticism over his treatment in Virginia.

Tough times await him at 'The Castle'

Fort Leavenworth occupies two very different places in US military lore. It is the traditional home of some of the Army's heaviest intellectual firepower, including the Army Command and General Staff College, headed between 2005 and 2007 by General David Petraeus, who is regarded as the country's greatest expert on counter-insurgency warfare. But it is also synonymous with imprisonment.

There are no less than three jail facilities on the sprawling site on the eastern edge of Kansas, some 30 miles north-west of Kansas City. One is a federal civilian prison that once housed some of the country's most notorious criminals. The other two are military – and one of them will have Private Bradley Manning as an inmate for the foreseeable future.

The most forbidding of them is the United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB), the Army's only maximum-security prison, often referred to as "The Castle". Detainees have been convicted by a court-martial and are serving terms of at least five years. Notable past inmates include Lieutenant William Calley, convicted for the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam war. Charles Graner, who is serving a 10-year sentence in connection with the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal in Iraq, is currently held there. It also contains the US military's death row. The last military execution at Fort Leavenworth was in 1961.

The USDB is modern and relatively spacious. But it is maximum security, and perhaps not the ideal destination for someone who has not been tried.

A more suitable alternative might be the Midwest Joint Regional Correctional Facility, also on Fort Leavenworth's grounds. It is medium security, and normally houses those awaiting trial.

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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:15 pm

Supporters of WikiLeaks soldier heckle Obama

SAN FRANCISCO | Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:38pm EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Protesters interrupted President Barack Obama at a campaign fund-raiser on Thursday to complain about the treatment in detention of a U.S. soldier accused of leaking documents that appeared on the WikiLeaks website.

Obama's administration has been criticized for Bradley Manning's treatment, although the president says the Pentagon has assured him the soldier is not being ill-treated while he is awaiting trial.

Obama was addressing a room of about 200 people -- many of whom paid as much as $35,800 to see him -- when a woman in a white suit stood up and announced that she and nine others sitting at her table had written a song for him.

Despite Obama's protestations, they then broke into a song that called for the 23-year-old soldier's release. They passed out "Free Bradley Manning" signs and the woman took off her jacket to reveal a black T-shirt with Manning's image.

"Now, where was I?" the somewhat flustered president said after the group stopped. "There's an example of creativity."

Manning is being held during an investigation of charges involving reams of sensitive diplomatic and military documents he is accused of leaking while posted as an intelligence analyst in Iraq. Many of the documents appeared on the WikiLeaks website.

U.S. military officials have not said when Manning's trial might begin, but he was transferred on Wednesday to a detention facility at Fort Leavenworth military base in Kansas after his lawyers complained he was being mistreated at a Marine brig in Virginia.

He was kept alone in his cell 23 hours per day and forced to sleep naked while being awakened repeatedly during the night. The Pentagon said this was done to ensure his well-being and that it had only happened on a few occasions.

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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:44 pm

Finally, the real left emerges! Sure, they are but only remnants of the spirit of 68', but still...I definitely applaud them. It's so grotesque to see on most the other "leftist political forums" I'm on where a lot of the so called liberal crowd says Manning got what he deserved(despite how somehow also bizarrely supporting Wikileaks) Thats like saying you support piratebay but are against downloading movies
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Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:23 am

Don't applaud so soon, and don't call them "the left". They are not.

They are Obama supporters. They sang a song, but what the Reuters story leaves out are the words to that song, which included:

"We'll vote for you in 2012, yes that's true
Look at the Republicans - what else can we do
"

Also:

"we honor you today"

Fucking sickening.

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Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:26 am

Nordic wrote:Don't applaud so soon, and don't call them "the left". They are not.

They are Obama supporters. They sang a song, but what the Reuters story leaves out are the words to that song, which included:

"We'll vote for you in 2012, yes that's true
Look at the Republicans - what else can we do
"

Also:

"we honor you today"

Fucking sickening.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/21/o ... upporters/


Just read the lyrics...really bizarre. Reminds me of something a king's fool would read or a lyric from Faust.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:36 pm

My favorite American ideal is "guilty until proven even more guilty."

Video Of Obama On Bradley Manning: “He Broke The Law”

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By ANDY GREENBERG

President Obama has made his feelings clear about alleged WikiLeaks source Bradley Manning–though likely not in the way he intended.

In a conversation following a fundraising speech in San Francisco Thursday, the president was filmed responding to some impromptu questions about Manning’s suspected leak of several massive collections of classified State Department and military data to WikiLeaks.

He responds in the video below.



I’ve done my best to transcribe the short clip, with a couple of unintelligible gaps and several interruptions by his interviewer, who wasn’t caught on camera and whose words are largely missed by the microphone.

Here goes:

People can have philosophical views about…

[Questioner: unintelligible]

No, no, but look, I can’t conduct diplomacy on an open source. That’s not how…the world works. If you’re in the military, and…I have to abide by certain classified information. If I was to release stuff, information that I’m not authorized to release, I’m breaking the law…We’re a nation of laws. We don’t individually make our own decisions about how the laws operate…

He broke the law.

[Questioner: 'You can make it harder to break the law.']

Well, what he did was he dumped…

[Questioner: something about President Nixon's prosecution of Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg]

It wasn’t the same thing. What Ellsberg released wasn’t classified in the same way. So. Anyway. Alright.


The man standing to Obama’s right seems to be Salesforce.com chief executive Marc Benioff, who according to the San Francisco Chronicle hosted a fundraising dinner for Obama at his home the night before.

The president’s conversation followed another fundraising event that was interrupted by a group of protesters singing a song about the treatment of Manning. The former Army intelligence analyst has been held largely isolated, without visitors and on suicide watch in a Quantico, Virginia brig, but will soon move to Leavenworth prison in Kansas. The Army has filed 22 charges against him, including aiding the enemy and transmitting information in violation of the Espionage Act.

Obama has previously responded to protests about Manning’s confinement by telling ABC News that he had looked into whether the terms of Manning’s confinement were “appropriate and are meeting our basic standards.” Pentagon officials, he said, “assure me that they are.”
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:53 pm

In related news, a judge is reopening the case of Blackwater employees conspiring and orchestrating a mass joy killing of civilians(17 dead, 20 wounded) in 2007 Iraq.
No surprised the Bush regime pretty much gave the guys a pass, but now there may finally be some justice.
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I personally think it's fucking pathetic that elements within the US military/federally funded private military murder civilians in horrific war crimes yet those who expose this horror are the ones who get life in prison and get put away.

For some reason it's more upsetting to see liberals side with Obama in the Manning case than conservatives.
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby battleshipkropotkin » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:12 pm

Some here have questioned whether Manning is a real person at all, or a fabrication.
FWIW, he' ain't got shit listed on ancestry.com, which in my experience has a pretty deep reach through various public records.

According to his Wikipedia listing, Bradley E Manning was born 17 December 1987 in Crescent, Oklahoma.

A search Bradley Manning with a birth year of 1987 +/- 1 year yields the following results:

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
Birth, Marriage & Death

Name: Bradley Allyn Manning
Father: Richard Manning
Birth: 29 Jun 1986 - Harris

Vermont Births, 1981-2001
Birth, Marriage & Death

Name: Bradley Allen Manning
Father: Jay Richard Manning
Birth: 18 Jul 1986 - Burlington, Vermont

Vermont Birth Records, 1909-2008
Birth, Marriage & Death

Name: Bradley Allen Manning
Father: Jay Richard Manning
Birth: 18 Jul 1986 - Burlington, Chittenden, Vermont
Residence: Vermont, United States

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Birth, Marriage & Death

Name: Bradley James Manning
Mother: Manning
Birth: date - city, Surrey, Greater London, Hampshire

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Birth, Marriage & Death

Name: Bradley Michael Manning
Birth: date - city, Northhamptonshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Birth, Marriage & Death

Name: Bradley Richard B Manning
Birth: date - city, Warwickshire


No matches. Then I just tried a Bradley E Manning search with no birth year. One had a birthday of Dec 17, but no year. It was a record of residence:

Name: Bradley E Manning
Birth Date: 17 Dec
Address: 8020 NW 119th St, Oklahoma City, OK, 73162-1107

Name: Bradley E Manning
Birth: 17 Dec
Residence: 1935-1993 - Oklahoma City, OK


His Wikipedia entry says he was raised in Crescent (which isn't that far from OKC, so maybe) until he was 13. Then his parents divorced and he moved to Wales with his mum. That would have been around 2000, not 1993. And 1935?
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Re: Bradley Manning Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:52 pm

I have a feeling Manning's sexuality is part of the reason for Obama being used as an example. "We might let you queers in the military, but this is what happens if you step out of line"
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