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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 82_28 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:28 pm

Nordic wrote:Should I be checking the wind patterns from Japan to California ....?


UW meteorologist, Cliff Mass is on it, Nordic.

Where would the radioactivity go?

Although any injections of radioactivity for the damaged Japanese reactors would be highly diffused, with very low concentration by the time it got to us, just for "fun" I did a trajectory analysis using the NOAA Hysplit Model. I first released the trajectories in the general region of damaged region at 10, 1000, and 5000 meters. Here is what I got:and here are trajectories released more at jet stream level (7000 and 9000 meters):Lets face, what gets injected is generally heading our way...particularly at jet stream level (9000 m) and near the surface. Not to worry though....

My prediction? Jim Forman will put on his yellow jacket, grab a Geiger counter, and drive around the region showing the measurements. You will be warned to stay indoors, put on a mask, and tape your doors shut. You may not believe this, but some of the survivalist and anti-nuclear web sites are already going nuts about the "threat."

But taking a more philosophical angle, it is clear that both the ability to a Japanese tsunami to influence our coast, and the threat of radioactivity injected into the atmosphere there to move our way on the jet stream shows that we cannot consider our environment in isolation from the rest of the world.


Photos and whatnot at link. . .

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2011/03/w ... ty-go.html
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:30 pm

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Just found this over at Aletho News

Doesn't look so good ....
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby barracuda » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:37 pm

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Radiation

Rads Level Effect
0-199 No Effect
200-399 Minor Radiation Poisoning -1 END
400-599 Advanced Radiation Poisoning -2 END, -1 AGL
600-799 Critical Radiation Poisoning -3 END, -2 AGL, -1 STR
800-999 Deadly Radiation Poisoning -3 END, -2 AGL, -2 STR
1000+ Fatal Radiation Poisoning DEATH (HP: -10,000)

So... just in case, here the courtesy link to Travelocity.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 82_28 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:47 pm

Just for shits and giggles, if all those swarthy terrorists that are out there in our midst exist, wouldn't this be a damned good time to start final preparations on those dirty bombs and have the US Black Ops blame it on the catastrophe?
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:50 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby tazmic » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:53 pm

Nordic wrote:Doesn't look so good ....

Isn't that a high altitude jet stream dispersal?
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby barracuda » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:06 pm

Meltdown Caused Nuke Plant Explosion: Safety Body

TOKYO (Nikkei)--The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said Saturday afternoon the explosion at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core.

The same day, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501), which runs the plant, began to flood the damaged reactor with seawater to cool it down, resorting to measures that could rust the reactor and force the utility to scrap it.

Cesium and iodine, by-products of nuclear fission, were detected around the plant, which would make the explosion the worst accident in the roughly 50-year history of Japanese nuclear power generation.

An explosion was heard near the plant's No. 1 reactor about 3:30 p.m. and plumes of white smoke went up 10 minutes later. The ceiling of the building housing the reactor collapsed, according to information obtained by Fukushima prefectural authorities.

At a news conference Saturday night, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano discounted the possibility of a significant leak of radioactive material from the accident. "The walls of the building containing the reactor were destroyed, meaning that the metal container encasing the reactor did not explode," Edano said.

The amount of radiation detected inside the plant after 4:00 p.m. slightly exceeded the dose people can safely receive in a year, according to information obtained by the Fukushima prefectural government.

The No. 1 reactor shut down automatically soon after a massive earthquake hit the area Friday, but its emergency core cooling system failed to cool the reactor's core sufficiently.

NISA is affiliated with the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry.

(The Nikkei March 13 edition)
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:08 pm

this isn't meant to be in bad taste.. but this movie scared me sideways when I was a kid:


And it wasn't so much the blast.. it was everything else.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby jingofever » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:12 pm

UPI reports that a meltdown already occurred. Most other news organizations talk about a threat of a meltdown. I suspect UPI is jumping the gun. This website claims that meltdown fears are all hype, but it is affiliated with The Stanford Review.

Channelnewsasia.com says:
US nuclear experts warned Saturday that pumping sea water to cool a quake-hit Japanese nuclear reactor was an "act of desperation" that may foreshadow a Chernobyl-like disaster.

Several experts, in a conference call with reporters, also predicted that regardless of the outcome at the Fukushima No. 1 atomic plant crisis, the accident will seriously damage the nuclear power renaissance.

"The situation has become desperate enough that they apparently don't have the capability to deliver fresh water or plain water to cool the reactor and
stabilize it, and now, in an act of desperation, are having to resort to diverting and using sea water," said Robert Alvarez, who works on nuclear disarmament at the Institute for Policy Studies.

"I would describe this measure as a 'Hail Mary' pass," added Alvarez, using American football slang for a final effort to win the game as time expires.

Meanwhile, Charlie Sheen's meltdown continues with tour dates announced in Detroit and Chicago.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby jingofever » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:25 pm

At Fukushima, radiation levels fall:

Japan told the U.N. atomic watchdog there was an initial increase in radioactivity around a quake-hit nuclear plant on Saturday but levels "have been observed to lessen in recent hours," the Vienna-based agency said.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said it had also been informed by Japanese authorities that Saturday's explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi plant occurred outside the primary containment vessel, not inside.

"The plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), has confirmed that the integrity of the primary containment vessel remains intact," it said in a statement that is likely to be seen as positive for efforts to contain the damage.

An explosion severely damaged the main building of the plant earlier on Saturday in the wake of the massive earthquake, causing radiation to leak from the facility, 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo.

The government insisted radiation levels were low, saying the blast had not affected the reactor core container.

From The Simpsons:

Homer, your bravery and quick thinking have turned a potential Chernobyl into a mere Three Mile Island. Bravo!

I guess they're hoping for something similar.
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Kristen Stewart has left the coast of British Columbia...

Postby MinM » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:25 pm

Nordic wrote:Image

Just found this over at Aletho News

Doesn't look so good ....

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Kristen Stewart
By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo!
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 12:00 am PST

The "Breaking Dawn" star has left the coast of British Columbia following the earthquake and subsequent tsunami near Japan. The move was a precaution. Stewart and the rest of the cast and crew aren't believed to be in any danger.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby DrVolin » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:36 pm

all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:47 pm

March 12, 2011 12:31 PM PST
As death toll mounts, nuclear scare widens evacuation
by Elizabeth Armstrong Moore

Updated throughout with new details at approximately 3:50 p.m. PT.
A Saturday explosion at a closely monitored nuclear power plant in northern Japan blew the roof off a building and destroyed the walls around a reactor, local officials said, further distracting rescue efforts of hundreds of stranded and missing in the aftermath of one of the largest earthquakes on record.

Smoke rises from a stricken reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Japan.
(Credit: Associated Press video, screenshot by Edward Moyer/CNET)
Officials reported that radiation levels outside the plant were coming down after they were measured at eight times above normal levels Friday night, and that a meltdown was not imminent. But a meltdown remains possible, with The Washington Post reporting that workers are now trying to control the temperature and pressure inside a total of five reactors.
Reactor No. 1, a 439-megawatt boiling water reactor built by General Electric 40 years ago, was scheduled to be shut down on March 26, The Washington Post reported. But it's no longer the only one posing problems. Early Sunday morning (local time) officials in Japan also announced that another of the five reactors that workers are trying to cool--No. 3 in the same facility--has now lost its emergency cooling function, and that workers will attempt to release small amounts of radioactive steam to minimize pressure within it, Reuters reported.
Meanwhile, what was originally a 2-mile evacuation radius has expanded to 12.5 miles, while government officials and executives of plant operator Tokyo Electric Power have yet to be entirely clear about the cause of the explosion and the extent of the damage, The New York Times reported.
What we do know: Tokyo Electric Power had been taking emergency measures Saturday to avert a meltdown after a power outage left a cooling system unable to supply water to cool reactor No. 1. Representatives reported to the media that their efforts seemed to be effectively lowering the pressure inside the container. But the seawater that workers poured over the fuel rods to cool them formed hydrogen, which--when released to relieve pressure--reacted with oxygen to cause the explosion, explaining why it happened outside rather than inside the high-pressure vessel.
Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, also reported in a news conference Saturday night that the explosion did not take place inside the reactor but rather in a structure housing turbines near the reactor, and that the container was not damaged. He urged everyone to remain calm, and said that the reactor remaining intact improved chances of continuing to cool the core and prevent a full meltdown.
Robin Grimes, a professor of materials physics at Imperial College London, said in a statement to the press that "despite the damage to the outer structure, as long as that steel inner vessel remains intact, then the vast majority of the radiation will be contained. At the moment it does seem that they are still contained and it's a release of significant steam pressure that's caused this explosion. The key will be the monitoring of those radiation levels."
The zirconium casings of the fuel rods are hot enough at 2,200 degrees Fahrenheit to react with the cooling water and create hydrogen, which seems to have happened and caused the explosion. At 4,000 degrees, the uranium fuel pellets inside the rods could start to melt, which could lead to full core meltdown, according to Forbes.com.
The events in Japan are already influencing the ongoing debate about the safety of nuclear power. More than 60,000 people gathered in Germany on Saturday for a previously arranged protest of the government's plans to prolong the life of its nuclear reactors, prompting Chancellor Angela Merkel to tell reporters: "We know how safe our plants are and that we do not face a threat from such a serious earthquake or violent tidal wave, but we will learn what we can from the events in Japan."
Tokyo Electric Power has confirmed in a press release that one worker at reactor No. 1 has died of injuries after becoming trapped in the crane-operating console of the exhaust stack, and that four workers are being treated at a hospital after sustaining fractures and bruises. The company adds that an employee working on that reactor is being treated for radiation exposure by a special physician.
More than 83,000 people live within 10 kilometers of the two plants under evacuation orders, according to Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. And the BBC reported that an estimated 170,000 people have been evacuated from the surrounding countryside. Local officials of Fukushima Prefecture report that three hospital patients, chosen for random radiation testing out of 90 patients and staff awaiting nearby evacuation by helicopter, needed to be decontaminated, though they did not yet show symptoms of radiation poisoning. The Atlantic is among several news outlets drawing comparisons to the Three Mile Island disaster of 1979, during which a partial meltdown occurred due to a loss of coolant.
The massive 8.9 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Honshu, Japan, triggered not only the power outage that prompted the country to declare a nuclear emergency, but also a large tsunami resulting in at least hundreds of drownings. Italy's National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology reports that the Earth's axis shifted 9.8 inches, and the U.S. Geological Survey reports that the main island of Japan moved 7.8 feet. (The largest earthquake on record was a magnitude 9.5 quake in Chile in 1960, which killed 1,655, left 2 million people homeless, and resulted in a tsunami that killed 61.)
Meanwhile, rescue efforts continue around Japan, with 50,000 troops joining boats and helicopters, and dozens of countries offering aid. U.S. President Barack Obama says the U.S. has sent at least two American aircraft carriers to the region.
The official count of the dead has jumped to 1,700, The Telegraph reported, with another 10,000 missing from the fishing port of Minamisanriku, where the tsunami swept six miles inland. At least 215,000 people are now spread across 1,350 temporary shelters in five prefectures, according to the Japanese national police agency. Google's 2011 Japan Earthquake Person Finder now includes 67,800 records.


Published on Saturday, March 12, 2011 by CommonDreams.org
Behind the Hydrogen Explosion at the Fukushima Nuclear Plant
by Karl Grossman
The explosion at the Fukushima nuclear power plant is being described as caused by a “hydrogen build-up” The situation harks back to the “hydrogen bubble” that was feared would explode when the Three Mile Island plant in 1979 underwent a partial meltdown.

The hydrogen explosion problem at nuclear power plants involves a story as crazy as can be. As nuts as using nuclear fission to boil water to generate electricity is, the hydrogen problem and its cause cap the lunacy.

Eruption of hydrogen gas as a first reaction in a loss-of-coolant accident has been discussed with great worry in U.S. government and nuclear industry literature for decades.

That is because a highly volatile substance called zirconium was chosen back in the 1940’s and 50’s, when plans were first developed to build nuclear power plants, as the material to be used to make the rods into which radioactive fuel would be loaded.

There are 30,000 to 40,000 rods—composed of twenty tons of zirconium—in an average nuclear power plant. Many other substances were tried, particularly stainless steel, but only zirconium worked well. That’s because zirconium, it was found, allows neutrons from the fuel pellets in the rods to pass freely between the rods and thus a nuclear chain reaction to be sustained.

But there’s a huge problem with zirconium—it is highly volatile and when hot will explode spontaneously upon contact with air, water or steam.

The only other major commercial use of zirconium through the years has been in flashbulbs used in photography. A speck of it, on a flashbulb, ignites to provide a flash of light.

But in a nuclear plant, we’re not talking about specks—but tons and tons of zirconium, put together as a compound called “zircaloy” that clads tens of thousands of fuel rods.

Heat, a great deal of heat, builds up in a very short time with any interruption of coolant flow in a nuclear power plant—the problem at Fukushima after the earthquake that struck Japan.

Zirconium, with the explosive power, pound for pound, of nitroglycerine, will catch fire and explode at a temperature of 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, well below the 5,000 degree temperature of a meltdown.

Before then, however, zirconium reacts to the heat by drawing oxygen from water and steam and letting off hydrogen, which itself can explode—and is said to have done so at Fukushima.

As a result of such a hydrogen explosion, there is additional heat—bringing the zirconium itself closer and closer to its explosive level.

Whether in addition to being a hydrogen explosion, zirconium also exploded at Fukushima remains to be known.

But what has happened regarding hydrogen at Fukushima, like the “hydrogen bubble” when the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania underwent its near partial meltdown, is no mystery—but precisely what is expected in a loss-of-coolant accident.

It is described in U.S. government and nuclear industry accident studies as a “metal-water” reaction. It’s a reaction, the research has long stated, that can easily trigger a meltdown.

Using tons of a material otherwise used as the speck that explodes in a flashbulb in nuclear power plants —yes, absolutely crazy.

Moreover, in the spent fuel pools usually situated next to nuclear power plants, there are large numbers of additional fuel rods, used ones, disposed of as waste. There must be constant water circulation in the spent fuel pools. In what is labeled a “loss-of-water’ accident in a spent fuel pool, the zirconium cladding of the fuel rods is projected as exploding—sending into the environment the lethal nuclear poisons in a spent fuel pool.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:56 pm

tazmic wrote:
Nordic wrote:Doesn't look so good ....

Isn't that a high altitude jet stream dispersal?



I don't know.

I like the one 82 provided better:

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That's one of them. The other one includes high altitude jet stream dispersal:

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Ironically this one shows it going to the other place I was thinking of going, if I had to get away .....
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby crikkett » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:59 pm

Nordic wrote:Should I be checking the wind patterns from Japan to California ....?

That's what I'm here at my desk to do, in fact.
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