Black Box OBL

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 12, 2011 1:26 pm

Nordic wrote:Go to 4:39 on this video, and Rachel Maddow will make you gag.

She might as well be Karl Rove when she says what she says.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-m ... hel-maddow



I was watching her show a few days ago and she went into how 'oh, fog of war' apologizia. Now we all know 'fog of war' can account for explanations of conflicting bits of information, but when she asks us to extend the 'fog' explanation to the next several days, by officials who put out the bogus narrative and only backtrack after being busted/called out is infuriating, I agree.

Sometimes,she's great and I applaud her BP coverage and on many other issues, but sometimes she seems called upon to defend the official narrative, and at reasons' expense.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 12, 2011 5:28 pm

Bin Laden’s Death Won’t End Toll on Taxpayers
By David J. Lynch - May 11, 2011

Even in death, Osama bin Laden will be taking revenge on American taxpayers for years to come.

The U.S. government spent $2 trillion combating bin Laden over the past decade, more than 20 percent of the nation’s $9.68 trillion public debt. That money paid for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as additional military, intelligence and homeland security spending above pre-Sept. 11 trends, according to a Bloomberg analysis.

This year alone, taxpayers are spending more than $45 billion in interest on the money borrowed to battle al-Qaeda, the analysis shows.

The financial bleeding won’t stop with bin Laden’s demise. One of every four dollars in red ink the U.S. expects to incur in the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 will result from $285 billion in annual spending triggered by the terrorist scion of a wealthy Saudi family.

Without bin Laden, “we would have accumulated less debt, be spending less on interest and we would be on a lower spending path going forward,” said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a research organization in Washington.

Along with the dollars-and-cents toll, bin Laden has left behind a less quantifiable imprint on American life. Thousands of families have suffered grievous loss from the Sept. 11 attacks and the two wars. U.S. government buildings in Washington and around the world have grown to resemble fortified bunkers. And the line between government power and individual liberty was redrawn as agencies gained new powers to combat a novel threat.

Costs ‘Ad Infinitum’
The complete figure may be higher than the Bloomberg analysis. Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics Inc., said bin Laden cost the U.S. government and businesses $2.5 trillion, or $250 billion each year. “I think a prudent planner would anticipate these costs continuing ad infinitum into the future,” he said in an e-mail.

Indeed, the meter didn’t stop running May 2 when bin Laden’s corpse slipped into the Arabian Sea. Next year alone, the U.S. plans to spend an additional $118 billion on military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Additional fiscal 2012 spending that can be attributed to bin Laden includes an extra $14 billion for homeland security, about $125 billion for the Pentagon excluding the two wars, expanded intelligence spending and increased aid to Pakistan, according to the Bloomberg analysis.

“There are a lot of legacy costs,” said Jon Meacham, editor of “Beyond Bin Laden,” an instant book from Random House.

Pentagon Budget
As the U.S. celebrates the demise of the number-one figure on the FBI’s “Most Wanted Terrorists” list, the future spending that can be attributed to bin Laden far exceeds direct war costs. Gordon Adams, who oversaw national security budgeting at the Office of Management and Budget during the Clinton administration, said roughly $125 billion of the Pentagon’s $553 billion fiscal 2012 budget request represents unnecessary spending justified by claims of war-time need.

“That’s a tax which would not have happened without Osama bin Laden,” Adams, a professor at American University’s School of International Service, said in a telephone interview.

The bin Laden tax has been levied every year for the past decade. Pentagon spending -- excluding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- between fiscal 2002 and today was $742 billion higher than the Congressional Budget Office’s January 2001 baseline forecast.

Amid a wartime atmosphere, military spending requests faced less scrutiny both within the Pentagon and in Congress, Adams said. Programs launched with modest initial funding often live on, their costs ballooning with the years.

Nigeria Surveillance
A Pentagon counterterrorism training and equipment initiative known as the Section 1206 program, which has funneled aid to 53 countries, swelled from $100 million in fiscal 2006 to $500 million in the Obama administration’s request for fiscal year 2012, which starts Oct. 1.

Under the program, Nigeria got maritime surveillance gear to monitor traffic in the Gulf of Guinea and Lebanon obtained parts for UH-1H helicopters, which it used to quash an uprising in the Nahr al-Barid refugee camp. “It’s used for every purpose you can imagine,” Adams said.

The U.S. added 92,000 soldiers to its ground forces in the decade following the Sept. 11 attacks. Each 10,000 people added to the military’s ranks means an extra $1 billion in annual spending, according to Adams. So the ground force expansion inspired by bin Laden will impose an additional $9 billion annually, he said.

Intelligence Tripled
The military wasn’t alone in securing expanded financial resources because of bin Laden. The budget for U.S. intelligence agencies tripled over the past 12 years, representing an average annual increase of 9.6 percent.

While it is difficult to determine how much of the incremental increase in can be directly linked to bin Laden, the amount is undoubtedly sizable. In October 2010, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said the intelligence budget for fiscal 2009 was $80.1 billion, including $27 billion for military intelligence. Michael O’Hanlon, a Brookings Institution defense expert, estimated that $25 billion to $30 billion of annual intelligence spending can be laid at bin Laden’s feet.

“A large portion of that cost growth is from 9/11,” said O’Hanlon, a former national security analyst with the Congressional Budget Office.

Homeland Security

The government’s finances also will groan beneath the weight of the Department of Homeland Security, the 216,000- employee bureaucracy created to protect Americans from additional terrorist attacks. Over the past nine years, the department spent about $123 billion more than if the 22 component agencies’ pre-Sept. 11 spending trends had continued, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

That is an extra $14 billion annually U.S. taxpayers can attribute to bin Laden -- or 24 percent of the $57 billion the department is seeking for the 2012 fiscal year.

Some enduring costs will amount to no more than inconvenience. Less than six months before the Sept. 11 attacks, a House committee held a hearing to consider reopening Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House. The street closure, instituted as a temporary measure after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, was made permanent after al-Qaeda’s attacks, and Washington drivers have adjusted.

Airport Lines

Likewise, though travelers fume in airport security lines while stripping off shoes and belts and fumbling with three- ounce cosmetics containers, the economic consequences are negligible, according to Nariman Behravesh, chief economist of IHS Insight, an economic and financial analysis and forecasting company. “This is a huge, diversified economy which can absorb this stuff without too much pain,” he said.

Bin Laden’s imprint on American society, however, extends beyond finances. Through May 2, 11,191 members of the U.S. military have been wounded in the war in Afghanistan, including 35 percent so severely as to preclude their return to combat.

In coming years, those who saw loved ones injured or killed in the Sept. 11 attacks, or in the wars that followed, will still bear daily pain.

Public buildings, which before the rise of al-Qaeda were designed as artistic statements, will continue to resemble bunkers. And small erosions of personal liberty, conceded in the interests of security, may yet deepen.

Duct Tape

Not since the early days of the Cold War, when the Soviet Union threatened, has an enemy so bedeviled Americans and their leaders. Where once children prepared for nuclear war with “duck and cover” drills, Americans after Sept. 11 stockpiled duct tape and canned food.

The post-Sept. 11 drive for security changed the look of the U.S. capital, transforming it into a garrison city bristling with metal barriers, stone bollards and closed-circuit cameras. To enter even the most unimportant office building, people grew accustomed to handing over photo identification and signing their names.

If these requirements seemed longer on ritual than reward, they nonetheless spread. Likewise, the government expanded its powers in response to the threat conjured by bin Laden.

In 2010, federal officials filed 1,579 requests with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court -- or six requests each working day and 50 percent more than in 2001 -- for electronic surveillance or physical searches. The 11-judge federal court, established to adjudicate surveillance requests regarding suspected foreign agents, approved every one of the government’s requests, according to an April 29 Justice Department report to Congress.

‘Pre-Emptive’ Surveillance

Julian Sanchez, a research analyst at the Cato Institute, a libertarian-oriented policy center in Washington, said the proliferation of wiretap requests represented a break with practices in place before the Sept. 11 attacks. “We’ve seen a shift from the traditional American model of surveillance of particular individuals on the basis of individualized suspicion to a broader pre-emptive model,” he said.

Separately, the FBI issued so-called national security letters, which require businesses to provide federal investigators with an individual’s records, including telecommunications and financial data.

Investigators last year sought the records of 14,212 Americans, more than in the previous two years combined. Civil liberties advocates see the national security letters, which don’t require a judge’s approval, as a dangerously broad power. “We would be in pretty serious trouble if there were 14,000 terrorists in the United States,” said Sanchez.

For all bin Laden’s financial and human impact, however, the al-Qaeda leader failed in his ultimate goal of humbling the world’s lone superpower. Today’s $15 trillion U.S. economy, for example, is 18 percent larger than in 2001, after adjusting for inflation.

Economy Survives

Indeed, said Meacham, the genius of the American experiment lies in the country’s ability to withstand sharp blows without fracturing. He noted that President Barack Obama, who as a candidate criticized the national security policies of his predecessor, George W. Bush, largely embraced them once he took office.

That development, akin to President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s acceptance of the New Deal in the 1950s, has helped steady the country amid turbulent times.

“We’re on this new road that’s been created. We’ll veer a little left. We’ll veer a little right,” Meacham said. “But the road has been laid out.”


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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 13, 2011 3:37 am

Just astonishing...the fact the "we hate wasteful spending/big government" right wingers and the normally rabble rouser left aren't making a huge fuss over this is telling.

It's...almost like that really was one of the central reasons for 9/11: to lure the US into endless war, spending, and use up America and implode it financially.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Laodicean » Fri May 13, 2011 11:25 am

Bush 'not overjoyed' by Osama bin Laden death

Former President George W. Bush was “not overjoyed” to learn of Osama bin Laden’s death, he said earlier this week as he recounted the call from President Barack Obama he received as he was eating a soufflé at a Dallas restaurant.

“I excused myself and went home to take the call,” Bush said on Wednesday at a Las Vegas convention for hedge fund managers, ABC News reported Friday morning. “Obama simply said, ‘Osama Bin Laden is dead.’”

Bush said that his successor described to him in detail the mission to raid bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan and the decision to carry out the mission. “Good call,” Bush said he told Obama.

Bush issued a statement shortly after Obama appeared on television late in the night on May 1 to announce that bin Laden had been killed, but has since steered clear of commenting on the killing in public. Bush turned down Obama’s invitation to appear at the World Trade Center site as the president laid a wreath there. His spokesman said that the 43rd president prefers to stay out of the spotlight.

The former president made his remarks in a ballroom at the Bellagio hotel and appeared “light-hearted and relaxed,” according to ABC News.

Bush said he was “not overjoyed” by the news because he had sought out the Al Qaeda leader during his own presidency not “out of hatred but to exact judgment.”

But he is still pleased that bin Laden is dead.

“The guy is dead. That is good,” Bush said. “Osama’s death is a great victory in the war on terror. He was held up as a leader.”

Bush did not take credit for leading the effort that ultimately led to bin Laden, praising the U.S. intelligence operation for creating “a mosaic of information, piece by piece” that got to him. He also touted Navy SEAL Team Six, which carried out the raid. “They are awesome, skilled, talented and brave,” he said. Recalling meeting them in Afghanistan, Bush said he told the SEALS“‘I hope you have everything you need.’ One guy said, ‘We need your permission to go into Pakistan and kick ass.’”

Bush also spoke more broadly about American foreign policy and the fight against terrorism.

“The long-term solution is to promote a better ideology, which is freedom. Freedom is universal,” he said. “People who do not look like us want freedom just as much. The relatives of Condoleezza Rice over 100 years ago wanted freedom. It is only when you do not have hope in a society that you join a suicide bomber team.


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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Nordic » Fri May 13, 2011 1:49 pm

It is only when you do not have hope in a society that you join a suicide bomber team.”


How many Americans have hope in their lives right now? When a million apply for a few thousand McDonald's jobs.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 13, 2011 3:34 pm

The "kind, gentle, meet you at a local grocery store or speak at your college club luncheon" Bush is interesting.

Especially since Cheney, Rove, etc are just on super pitbull attack mode as much as ever on Fox and other news outlets. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Bush had not had the neocons and neocon think tanks behind him from January 2001 on. The guy would have probably passed sweeping progressive liberal measures if he had been nudged to.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Canadian_watcher » Fri May 13, 2011 4:40 pm

Thanks for that vid, laodicean!

I love to see people standing up, being brave - it takes an incredible amount of guts to do that, and I am always so ashamed to hear the robotic crowds try and shut up protest.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Project Willow » Fri May 13, 2011 7:25 pm

The irony is that there's a strong probability Rice is a survivor of torture herself and a captive mental slave.

Code Pink should go yell at her handlers, but then, they don't believe in handlers do they?
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 13, 2011 7:31 pm

Project Willow wrote:The irony is that there's a strong probability Rice is a survivor of torture herself and a captive mental slave.

Code Pink should go yell at her handlers, but then, they don't believe in handlers do they?


Well I'm more interested in what strange arcane serum Condie takes, as she never ages!
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Project Willow » Fri May 13, 2011 7:38 pm

8bitagent wrote:Well I'm more interested in what strange arcane serum Condie takes, as she never ages!


It's all just fun and games isn't it?

On edit: Alright, I am feeling pissy after this week. Here, happy Friday...

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Fri May 13, 2011 9:18 pm

Project Willow wrote:The irony is that there's a strong probability Rice is a survivor of torture herself and a captive mental slave.

Code Pink should go yell at her handlers, but then, they don't believe in handlers do they?


Do you have a case for this, or are you just going on assumed likelihood, and if so, why?

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Project Willow » Fri May 13, 2011 11:22 pm

Mr. Riddler wrote:Do you have a case for this, or are you just going on assumed likelihood, and if so, why?


I pass along the assertion from a smattering of clinicians and a number of MC survivors who've singled her out after observing in her behavior tell-tale signs of dissociation and affect irregularities. Personally, I don't have as strong an opinion about her in comparison to a few other former and current officials, one of whom I can state confidently has been manipulated because of what I witnessed in my non-normative life. That goes for one potential future official as well. The whole of my experience leads me to believe that no one at that level is without various long or short strings trailing off their expensive suits, whether the strings are the conventional sort, and that is usually the case, or more esoteric like a bit of behavioral conditioning. Although given that we're into decade 5 of operational MC, it really isn't that esoteric anymore, not to those who use the tech anyway.

Otherwise, I have no proof and probably could not get those individuals I've discussed Ms. Rice with to come forward publicly with their opinions, so I erred by neglecting to include my usual FWIW. If I could make the case for something it would be to allow that there might be a Black Box Condie, or a Black Box Bill Clinton too. It would be for activists to accept that possibility and to factor it into their calculations. On that front, there is more and more evidence surfacing, such as the document, rescued to our attention this week from the darkened depths of an out-of-print book, document number 2, by my reckoning, that mentions the use of children in mind control experiments.

After a conversation with an author/researcher this week I had the most extraordinary and disheartening epiphany. It occurred to me that it's more than likely, despite the claims of other authors, no one (except apparently the one I had the conversation with) has actually read all 18,000 docs released during and subsequent the Church hearings, or of those who have undertaken the task, for one reason or another no catalog was ever kept of experiments involving kids. (Although, after looking at your translation, maybe the German fellow compiled such a list?) I've received enough side-stepped confirmation of that supposition to give me hope, in spite of the rather bleak realization that for years people like myself have assumed there is virtually no documentation to back our claims, when in all probability the docs have been in the public domain for thirty years. :arrow: my pissiness.

So, there's a task ahead, a big one, as on top of the 18,000, there's another 10,000 that need reviewing.

Anyway, my hope is to be able to make a stronger general case soon, but you know what, year after year it's coming into razor sharp focus, that the biggest problem for you and me and everyone else when it comes to mind control is that it works. It works really damn well. It's very rare for subjects' programming to leak and for them to escape, or escape and then tell. That's the central reason why these techniques have never been adequately exposed, after 60 long years.

OK, so that's what I know right now about MC. Sorry to hijack the thread, back to OBL.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Fri May 13, 2011 11:47 pm

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Not very informative report... smells like kabuki.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... /?hpt=Sbin

U.S. interviews 'hostile' bin Laden widows, with Pakistan officials

From Fran Townsend, CNN National Security Contributor

May 13, 2011 12:05 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Three of Osama bin Laden's widows have been interviewed by U.S. intelligence officers under the supervision of Pakistani's intelligence service, according to sources in both governments.

The women -- who were all interviewed together this week -- were "hostile" toward the Americans, according to a senior Pakistani government official with direct knowledge of the post-bin Laden investigation and two senior U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the matter. The eldest of the three widows spoke for the group.

The U.S. may question the women again, a senior Pakistani intelligence official said Friday.

Members of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence were in the room when the U.S. intelligence officers questioned the women this week, the officials said. The Americans had wanted to question the women separately to figure out inconsistencies in their stories.

All three officials said the interview didn't yield much new information, while adding that it was early in the investigative process.

Both the senior Pakistani and senior U.S. officials said that -- despite some well-publicized strains -- there is an ongoing exchange of intelligence between the two countries.

The story was first reported Thursday night on CNN's "Anderson Cooper: 360." Pentagon spokesman Col. David Lapan confirmed Friday that United States had access to the widows, but gave no other details.

The youngest of the three widows, 29-year-old Amal Ahmed Abdulfattah of Yemen, was shot in the leg early on May 2 by a small team of U.S. Navy SEALs. A U.S. official has identified the other two as Khairiah Sabar, also known as "Umm Hamza," and Siham Sabar, or "Umm Khalid."

They were three of the al Qaeda leader's five wives, two of whom had separated from him. Together, they gave birth to at least 20 of his children, including 11 sons, one of whom was killed in this month's U.S. raid.

While the U.S. forces flew off with bin Laden's dead body, they left behind the three widows as well as several children -- some of them fathered by the al Qaeda leader -- at the housing compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

Ever since, U.S. officials pressed for the right to interrogate the women. To do so, though, they had to first work through Pakistani authorities.

Some Pakistani officials have voiced anger the U.S. military mission occurred within their country's borders without Pakistan being warned. In Pakistan's granting access to the widows, that sentiment and the desire not to be seen as bending too easily to American requests was countered with a desire to smooth over relations with the United States, where there have been suggestions that someone in Pakistan may have helped harbor bin Laden.

The Pakistani and U.S. intelligence officials both said Thursday that there is still no evidence that any active members of Pakistan's military or intelligence establishment knew about or actively protected the al Qaeda leader.

On Tuesday, Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik told CNN that the United States will be given access to bin Laden's widows and children.

Malik's remarks came a day after a senior Pakistani intelligence source said the United States could speak to the women and children only if their "country of origin has asked for permission." Besides the Yemeni, the other two widows are from Saudi Arabia, according to a well-placed U.S. official who would not speak on the record.

Malik said Tuesday that Pakistan would give U.S. authorities access to the widows "so they can interrogate them, they can interview them."

That same day, Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said U.S. and Pakistani officials were discussing the matter.

Interviews with bin Laden's widows aren't the only things that the United States is hoping to get from Pakistan, as it continues its investigation of al Qaeda.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Tuesday that the Obama administration also wants "the materials that were collected by the Pakistanis after the U.S. commandos" left the compound in northern Pakistan, about 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of Islamabad.

Malik, in an interview with CNN, said allowing the widows to be interviewed should make clear to the United States that Pakistan has nothing to hide -- and put to rest any suspicions that the world's most-wanted terrorist might have had a support network inside the Pakistani government, military or intelligence services.

If Pakistan had "skeletons" to hide, "do you think we would allow access to the (widows) and the children of Osama?" he asked.

Malik called the decision "proof" that Pakistan is "very clear that we didn't know" bin Laden was living in a compound in Abbottabad, a Pakistani city with a major military presence, rather than in mountainous areas which Pakistani and U.S. officials often said were believed to be bin Laden's hiding place.

On Wednesday, Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Hussain Haqqani, declined to be specific when pressed on the topic with CNN's Anderson Cooper.

He said only that he expected "the U.S. government will, within the next two to three days, be talking to you and others, and they will make it very clear to you what exactly is the state of play."

The ambassador added that "arrangements are going to be worked out between both our sides."

"Pakistani and the United States will continue to share intelligence," Haqqani said.

Asked Thursday about the interviews with bin Laden's widows, Haqqani declined comment.

CNN's Reza Sayah contributed to this report.





Definite kabuki...


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/world ... nted=print

May 13, 2011
Top Pakistani Spy Denounces U.S. Before Parliament

By JANE PERLEZ

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — In an unusual, and apparently heated, closed-door session of Parliament, Pakistan’s spy chief issued a rousing denunciation of the United States on Friday for its raid that killed Osama bin Laden and denied that Pakistan maintained any links with militant groups, according to lawmakers.

Rather, the spy chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, blamed an intelligence failure for the presence of Bin Laden in the city of Abbottabad, where a top military academy is located and where the leader of Al Qaeda was killed in an American raid on May 2.

General Pasha said he had offered his resignation twice to the leader of the army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. As his presence before Parliament made clear, it was not accepted.

The two generals were called before the extraordinary 11-hour session to answer to the failures of the military and the intelligence agency that allowed a team of American commandos to enter and leave Pakistan in a stealth helicopter operation undetected.

Unusually vibrant criticism by some politicians and the Pakistani press after the raid compelled them to try to repair the reputation of the military and the intelligence agency, which the army controls.

But after recognizing the lapse, General Pasha rallied Parliament behind him, several legislators said, with strong criticisms of the United States that elicited thumps of approval from the chamber, including leading members of the Pakistan Peoples Party, the major partner in the coalition that the Obama administration supports.

At the end of the session, the leader of the opposition party, Pakistan Muslim League-N, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, who has been one of the most severe critics of the military since the raid, closed ranks behind the military. The session was organized so that “a positive message should go out to the masses,” Mr. Khan said.

A resolution that was passed at the session said Pakistan would revisit its relationship with the United States “with the view to ensuring Pakistan’s national interests were fully respected.”

In that vein, Pakistan’s chief spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISI, will not allow the Central Intelligence Agency to conduct operations in Pakistan without the full knowledge of the ISI, General Pasha said.


As if.

The spy chief did the talking. General Kayani attended the session, along with the heads of the air force and the navy, but did not speak, apparently to be spared the humiliation. Senior military officials, considered to be above civilian law and a power unto themselves, rarely appear before Parliament, or even its defense committees.

General Pasha told Parliament he had a “shouting match” with the C.I.A. director, Leon E. Panetta, over C.I.A. activities in Pakistan when they met recently in Washington, several lawmakers who attended the session said.

Reviewing the history of American relations with Pakistan, General Pasha declared that the United States, which has provided Pakistan with about $20 billion in aid over the last decade, had let Pakistan down at every turn since the 1960s, including imposing sanctions on the country in the 1990s.

“And now they have conducted a sting operation on us,” General Pasha said, according to one lawmaker. The intelligence chief was referring to the fact that the Obama administration had decided not to inform Pakistan in advance of the raid because of fears that the Pakistanis could not be trusted.


Before answering questions from the more than 400 members of Parliament from both chambers, the military gave a PowerPoint presentation that included photographs of Qaeda militants captured or killed by the ISI since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

General Pasha then explained that Pakistan should be given credit for dismantling Al Qaeda even before the United States killed Bin Laden, according to the accounts from lawmakers after the session.

In a direct assault on statements by American officials that the ISI supports jihadist militant groups, including the Haqqani network in North Waziristan, General Pasha said there was no such policy. “We have nothing to do with the Haqqani network,” he was quoted as saying.

American officials have long maintained suspicion that the Haqqani group, along with the Taliban, has been sheltered and sponsored by Pakistan, which uses them to push Pakistani interests in Afghanistan, where the insurgents attack NATO forces.

Some of the legislators asked for explanations of why the Pakistani Air Force did not detect the American helicopters that ferried the team of Navy Seal commandos into Abbottabad and out again.

The deputy chief of Air Staff Operations, Air Marshal Muhammad Hassan, said the American helicopters were equipped with stealth technology that enabled them to evade radar.

By the time the air force learned about the raid from ground reports at Abbottabad and launched fighter jets, the helicopters had completed their mission and flown out of Pakistan, he said.

But the air marshal, in answer to a question, said that the F-16 jet fighters provided by the United States to Pakistan were capable of shooting down the drones that the C.I.A. flies over the tribal areas to attack militants. The drone campaign has become increasingly unpopular among Pakistan’s politicians even as the Obama administration insists that it has no intention of halting the flights.

For the first time, according to one lawmaker, Air Marshal Hassan acknowledged that Pakistan allowed the United States to fly the drones out of Shamsi Air Base in Baluchistan.

The Pakistani government has always maintained in public that it does not condone the drone campaign, while in private it has given permission for the flights.

Salman Masood contributed reporting.





Double-down kabuki!


http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=15508

Drone to be struck down on orders: Air Chief
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ISLAMABAD: Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman Friday said that drones entering Pakistani air space would be struck down if such orders were issued (to the Pakistan Air Force), Geo News reported.

The Air Chief said this in reply to a question during the in-camera briefing by the military officials to the joint session of the parliament in the backdrop of the US unilateral assault in Abbottabad on May 2, 2011 that eliminated Osama bin Laden.

To another question regarding the operational control of Shamsi Air Base, the officials said UAE was operating the Air Base.



Cute. USG drones do not enter Pakistani air space. They take off from and land from Shamsi Air Base, inside Pakistan. They are part of a joint war of USG and the Pakistani military against the part of Afghanistan that happens to be on the Pakistani side of the border (thanks to the Durand line, the border forced by the British in the 1880s after the UK-Afghan wars). For political reasons, the Pakistani government pretends they do not authorize the USG attacks.

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Sat May 14, 2011 12:01 am

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So the latest addition to the legendry is that the OBL house computers had lots of porn.

Totally should have called that.

Apropos:


http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/05 ... th-script/

Boiling Frogs Exclusive: Intelligence & Law Enforcement Experts on Ever-Changing Bin Laden Death Script

Monday, 9. May 2011

Not All Sources and Experts Are Equal- Here Are some Real Ones!


There are ‘experts’ views,’ and then there are experts’ views. There are ‘government sources,’ and then there are government sources. Not all experts are equal. And, not all sources are reliable. Am I talking in riddles? Of course not; give me a chance and I’ll explain.

We have members of the popular media (mainstream and quasi alternatives alike) ever anxious to market and disseminate government conspiracy and propaganda. They, members of the popular media, have their own rolodex of ‘experts’ and analysts, some on their payroll, to help them propagate the delivery and execution of government-given propaganda-conspiracy. The same principle applies to ‘sources.’ The popular media relies on their government sources who act as middle-men-government messengers who’ve been given a government written and approved script to be delivered; almost always anonymously. Well, this is exactly what we have been getting from our media, around the clock, since the announcement of the Bin Laden Death Operation: ever-changing government scripts, delivered mainly by anonymous government sources to the US media, and further embellished and expanded upon by government-connected experts and analysts on the payroll.

On the other hand, there are many independent real experts whose analyses and views you won’t, or rarely, get to hear or read about; at least not in the mainstream media or at quasi-alternative sites. And there are current and former government sources not tasked with messenger duties; many of whom don’t see the ‘calculated’ necessity to remain ‘anonymous.’ I can assure you, you do not, and will not, read or hear these experts’ and sources’ statements, analyses or views when it comes to government-written stories and their media buddies.

Last weekend Boiling Frogs Post contacted several independent sources and experts, and asked them for their straight-forward take on the absurdity-filled and ever-changing Bin Laden Death story. I say independent, because they are. As you’ll see these veterans and sources come from all different walks of Intelligence-Law Enforcement-Military, and as far as political orientation goes, they fall into every single category-liberal, conservative, libertarian and none. I want to thank them all for honoring the request given to them on extremely short notice, and for being honest, direct, commonsensical, and in some cases realistically humorous. Here is what they had to say, and say it briefly per my request, starting with my favorite investigative reporter and bestselling author, whom I respect tremendously and consider ‘truly independent,’ James Bamford:

I don’t know what happened, but here’s what I suspect. The White House press office was horrified. The image of an unarmed Bin Laden killed in his PJs, and his unarmed wife shot as she was trying to protect him, was too bland for prime time TV. So after consulting with the “perception managers” at The Rendon Group, they quickly called together a team of experts for a conference in the Roosevelt Room to come up with a better narrative.

Among those present was Nurse Nayirah, daughter of the former Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S., accompanied by several PR representatives from Hill & Knowlton. It was her false claim that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in Kuwait and leave them on the floor to die, a lie propagandized around the world by H&K, that helped push the U.S. into the first Gulf War. Sitting next to her was Ahmed Chalabi, the man whose deceptions about Saddam and his WMD, heavily promoted by the New York Times, helped lead the country to war with Iraq. Then there was Jim Wilkinson, the Bush master propagandist who needed to find a way to get the country behind the war. He thus fed the story to the media of how Pvt. Jessica Lynch fearlessly mowed down Fedayeen terrorists with her M16 until she ran out of ammo, whereupon she was shot, stabbed, captured, tortured and raped. Unfortunately, through no fault of Lynch, it was later discovered to be totally made up. Finally, there was General Stanley McCrystal, largely responsible for promoting the fact that football star and Army private Pat Tillman was killed in a heroic battle in Afghanistan when in reality he was accidentally shot by his own men. The false story was then ballyhooed by the press and used by the Army as a major recruiting tool for the Afghan War.

After a few hours going around the table for ideas, the White House press people finally had their story. With one hand wrapped around his wife as a shield, Bin Laden used the other in a desperate effort to fight off capture by firing wildly at the commandos with an AK-47, but was finally taken down with a bullet right between his eyes.


James Bamford- One of the country’s leading writers on intelligence and national security issues.

If you factor in growth in government and the actual costs of the military and intelligence effort that finally succeeded in killing Osama bin Laden after fifteen years of trying, the renowned terrorist becomes the $3 trillion dollar man. Considering that he has not personally directed a successful terrorist operation since 9/11 that is quite impressive, somewhat like winning a lifetime achievement Oscar at the Academy Awards ceremony. And even 9/11 is by no means a slam-dunk for Osama as the Justice Department never charged him with that particular crime because they knew they did not have enough evidence to convince a jury. So his story ends, shot down in Pakistan while resisting or possibly surrendering, with his wife and son or alone, in a lavish mansion or a shack, as a result of a great spy operation or maybe not, and with the President of the United States personally directing the operation or possibly just sitting in for a photo op. Requiescat in Pace Osama.


Philip Giraldi- Former Counterterrorism Specialist & military Intelligence Officer of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency

The executive-ordered assassination of Osama bin Laden, in what is now described as a rubbish-strewn, dirt-infested and barely habitable compound, does free up a spot on the FBI’s “Most Wanted” list. As a result of this grand and newsworthy success, after an interminable decade of really, really, really hard work, the flag-draped and platinum-plated military-industrial-intelligence complex is poised for even greater rewards, in both glory and gold. Constitution-minded and economically strapped Americans, and those who oppose unnecessary undeclared wars of any kind, need to get back under the Bush-Obama bus, and quick. Here’s why: President Obama will not remind Americans that bin Laden was never “wanted” by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks, and as such, bin Laden’s death is irrelevant to Washington’s long war in Afghanistan. Likewise, former President Bush will not tell the country that the bin Laden connection to Saddam Hussein was manufactured in 2002 by neoconservatives bent on invasion, and as a result, bin Laden’s death has no bearing on Washington’s 9-year occupation and nation-building project in Iraq. Come to think of it, not having Osama around anymore is stagnation we can believe in.


Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski- Retired U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel and a specialist on the Middle East

Two UN guys are sitting in a bar in Kabul – and one turns to the other and says “Did you hear the one about the president, the terrorism advisor and the pope?” The second guy turns to the other and says “Well – no – I have not” – and the first guys says “Me neither – but it cannot be any more funny than the way the White House has handled the narrative of the Bin Laden raid.”

Four days after the Bin Laden raid, and in the middle of what must have been the 10th White House modification to the story, I was asked in an on-air interview “don’t you (in the Special Operations Community) have plans for dealing with the media?” – well yes, yes, we do…but this plan was not used due to the White House insinuation of their “academic smart guys and gals” – so the plan was not followed – because the raid became a White House center piece that was quickly (and badly) absorbed for purposes of supporting the President’s reelection.

National security – and what is best and necessary for the nation – should NOT be an issue that is used by either side for political gain…the harsh reality is that it often is. As I have said many time: “I am not anti-war, I am anti-stupidity…” we have sycophants in the White House who will do or say anything to get the President re-elected and sacrifice the truth, and the nation’s best interests, in the process as they drive the clown car of freedom around the nation for a victory lap…


Lt Col Tony Shaffer- Intelligence Officer & recipient of the Bronze Star, with 25 years of field experience commanding and directing several key operational intelligence organizations


The “fog of war” excuse for the Obama Administration’s horrendous series of factual errors in reporting bin Laden’s killing was mostly due to rushing to make the U.S. press deadline and take credit before being upstaged by leaks from international press. One small detail that reveals the over-arching importance placed on Obama’s need for a bold, decisive press image lies in his unqualified announcement about getting his man that was made even before the DNA testing was completed. The White House later clarified that they were 90 to 95% certain it was bin Laden based on photo comparisons and later they upped that to 95% certainty but there’s nothing scientific about “facial analysis” photo comparisons. Quite likely another reason the Administration doesn’t want the dead bin Laden photo out now is that it would invite scrutiny of the hasty announcement. I think the series of errors was mostly based on the rush to frame this quickly for the press so Obama would appear bold and strong on terrorism and get what Charley Cook projected as a 13% “bounce” in the polls.


Coleen Rowley- Retired FBI Agent and Former Cchief Counsel of the FBI Minneapolis field office

So we come through the mountain passes that are being watched by tribal warlords who have our left over stinger missiles from the Soviet’s little adventure there, because if we fly too high the Pakistani defense radar network will pick us up. We don’t know who is in this compound, so we shoot-to-kill every unarmed male resident on the spot, before we even know if Bin Laden is there. And we insist Pakistan’s ISI intelligence service knew nothing of Bin Laden being in the middle of their retirement neighborhood for military generals and intelligence officials. Oh, we wanted to do it one week earlier, but our government knew that on that day the Easter Bunny would be hiding multi colored eggs for all the little Pakistani children!


Russell D. Tice- Former Intelligence Analyst for the U.S. Air Force, Office of Naval Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency & National Security Agency

From my own 25-years experience on the inside much of it doing international covert operations, I’m pretty certain that the competing federal bureaucracies’ decades long, often bizarre war for headlines is at the root of this whole weird episode. Of course this is fueled by the ease with which mainstream media is manipulated into printing absolutely anything that comes from their “inside” usually “anonymous” sources.

With the Bin Laden hit, the media skirmish started with the scramble for “credit” by the public affairs offices of each of the parties involved a. First the Pentagon (Defense Intelligence) and White House take the lead. Then the CIA, the Criminal Inept Agency, sorely hurting from five decades of being total and abject losers and perpetually at war with DIA, grabs the whole ball and runs with it, like they invented it. This pisses off the DIA and leaks and counter-leaks begin to spring in every direction from inside sources on both sides, sniping at each other’s “story.”

But you can’t count out the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Incompetence, who has been totally and insultingly left out of the whole mix. Rumor is they even had an FBI Files episode on “How the FBI killed Bin Laden, “ready to go into production, no matter how Bin Laden died. All they needed was a body. Leaving them totally out of the kill of the dude for whom they’ve spent half their PR budget hunting, is…well…insulting to say the least. And you do NOT want to piss off the FBI. Remember Cointelpro?!

Finally. What really happened? My bet is that some Navy Seal captain in charge of the guys out there circling around Pakistan’s night skies in helicopters like sitting ducks waiting for the Washington suits to make up their minds, said, “Screw it! I’ll take responsibility. Let’s do it guys!”


Mike Levine- Retired supervisory agent, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA); also served the U.S. Customs Service, IRS (Criminal Investigations Division) & the FBI/DEA Task Force

Obama’s Idea — Whatabad!

Killing Osama in Abbottabad

Serves only to get a whole lottabad

guys planning in sync

To pay back Murder, Inc.

From Kandahar to Jalalabad.


Ray McGovern- Retired CIA Analyst, former Army Intelligence Officer & Founder of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

A part of me is going to miss Bin Laden, at least I understood him. I certainly do not condone his methods or his twisted logic; but his actions were extremely predictable (I was one of the few people that actively tried to prevent 9-11). But I do not understand our own government. First we attack a country that had nothing to do with 9-11, we lower our moral standing in the eyes of the world, we violate our Constitution, we turn our military into the Peace Corps resulting in thousands of our own military casualties and tens of thousands of innocent civilian casualties overseas, we treat our own citizens as guilty of something until proven otherwise at airports, the list is endless. The final straw, however, is the PR campaign of the killing of BL. If ever there was a “black operation” in the traditional use of the term, this was it. Our government should have said nothing about this assassination. Oh, word would have leaked out over time and years from now we could have our day in the sun, but this isn’t the time. We celebrate this killing like it’s the winning touch-down at the Super Bowl. All this dog and pony show is a rallying cry for the same fanatics that rioted and killed over cartoons. How many more innocent lives will be lost just so our politicians can make a little splash in the news?


Bogdan Dzakovic- Special Agent, Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team) and Federal Air Marshals for the Federal Aviation Administration(FAA), and Former Coast Guard Officer & Federal Criminal Investigator


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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sat May 14, 2011 4:04 am

http://gawker.com/5801792/disney-trademarks-seal-team-6

Disney Trademarks ‘SEAL Team 6′

John Cook — No sooner does a team of anonymous American heroes risk their lives in pursuit of a solemn oath of justice than a multinational cartoon corporation seeks to profit from it with shitty tchochkes. Two days after members of the Navy's SEAL Team 6 killed Osama bin Laden, Disney trademarked the name for use in, among other things, "Christmas tree ornaments."

FishbowlNY caught the applications—for exclusive use of "SEAL Team 6" in "entertainment and educational services, toys, games and playthings; gymnastic and sporting articles; hand-held units for playing electronic games; Christmas stockings; Christmas tree ornaments and decorations; snow globes; clothing, footwear and headwear"—which were filed on May 3.

Disney Trademarks 'SEAL Team 6'The fact that Disney is going into the SEAL business may worry actual SEALs, who are beginning to chafe at the public's desire for "SEAL porn." But they needn't worry: Disney is going to make the classiest fucking SEAL Team 6 snow globe that the world has ever seen.


You knew CIA for kidz would get in on the action.
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