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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby sergeant stiletto » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:33 pm

Nordic wrote:
sergeant stiletto wrote:I'm getting a "page doesn't exist" for both those links now.

Googling this phrase (warns that the Palestinians face a serious economic crisis because of a lack of financial support for the Palestinian authorities), it's supposedly at this link, too:

http://norwaypost.no/news/norway-warns- ... 25471.html

And I'm getting a "page failed to open" on that.

It's supposedly here:

http://www.newsinenglish.no/tag/palestine/

I'm getting "page doesn't exist" (all of these from TWITTER for some godawful reason)



Talks like a duck, walks like a duck ....

quack fucking quack....


Some redditors have been try to screen cap and/or save any and all related articles from the bombing to the possible motive - because this smells to high heaven.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:46 pm

More on the background of CNA, located in Alexandria, Virginia, which translated the statement from the "terrorists":



CNA’s approach to research is a modern iteration of Isaac Newton’s insight that direct observation of events and people increases one’s understanding of complex, dynamic processes.

That was the methodology CNA’s first researchers used when they pioneered the field of operations research and analysis by helping the Navy address the German U-boat threat in the early 1940s. Not content to study the problem from afar, this small group of MIT scientists insisted on deploying with Navy forces so they could directly observe operational challenges and collect the data needed for meaningful analyses. Their groundbreaking work resulted in anti-submarine warfare barrier equations that set the standard for future operations research methods.

Today's CNA, with more than 350 researchers at our headquarters and 45 analysts in the field, still takes this real-world approach to its work. Our research and analysis model uses on-site analysts to carefully observe all aspects of a process—people, decisions, actions, consequences—who collaborate with a research team based at our headquarters to assess data, and arrive at findings.

This model has proved valuable to a wide range of government decision makers, and work that began with national defense-related concerns addressed by the Center for Naval Analyses has grown to include a broad range of public interest issues that are addressed by the Institute for Public Research — including education, health care and public health, homeland security, human capital management, and air traffic management.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:49 pm

Peachtree Pam wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=2&hp

...snip....


A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.

...snip...



Is this the same CNA?

http://www.cna.org/about/staff/featured

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Alleged Claim for Oslo Attacks
Posted: 22nd July 2011 by Will McCants in Europe
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This was posted by Abu Sulayman al-Nasir to the Arabic jihadi forum, Shmukh, around 10:30am EST (thread 118187). Shmukh is the main forum for Arabic-speaking jihadis who support al-Qaeda. Since the thread is now inaccessible (either locked or taken down), I am posting it here. I don’t have time at the moment to translate the whole thing but I translated the most important bits on twitter.

Update: Abu Sulayman has now issued a retraction, stating clearly that “Helpers” was not involved in the operation and that his statement was not an official statement. He says those who carried out the attacks “must surely be known to all.”

http://www.jihadica.com/alleged-claim-for-oslo-attacks/


right...

Jihadica:

About
By Will McCants

Jihadica is a clearinghouse for materials related to militant, transnational Sunni Islamism, commonly known as Jihadism. At the moment, much of this material is diffuse, known only to a few specialists, and inaccessible to the public and policymakers unless they pay a fee. Jihadica provides this material for free and keeps a daily record of its dissemination that can be easily searched and studied. These records are accompanied by the expert commentary of people who have the requisite language training to understand the primary source material and advanced degrees in relevant fields.


The Team

William McCants, the founder and co-editor of Jihadica, is a research analyst at the Center for Strategic Studies at CNA and adjunct faculty at Johns Hopkins University. He has served as Senior Adviser for Countering Violent Extremism at the U.S. Department of State, program manager of the Minerva Initiative at the Department of Defense, and fellow at West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center. Will has a PhD from Princeton University and is the editor of the Militant Ideology Atlas. Far afield from his publications and translations related to jihadism, Will’s book on early Islamic culture myths, Founding Gods, Inventing Nations, will be published this Winter.

Thomas Hegghammer is a fellow at Harvard Kennedy School and a senior research fellow at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI). He has a PhD from Sciences-Po in Paris and is the author of a forthcoming book entitled Jihad in Saudi Arabia.

Vahid Brown is a former Harmony Fellow at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, a senior instructor for the CTC’s FBI program, and now pursuing a PhD in Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University. He is the author of Cracks in the Foundation: Leadership Schisms in al-Qa’ida, 1989-2006. His research focuses on the history of transnational Islamist militancy, particularly in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Brynjar Lia is the director of terrorism research at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI). He holds a PhD from the University of Oslo. He is the author of several books on terrorism and Islamism, including Architect of Global Jihad: The Life of Al-Qaida Strategist Abu Mus`ab al-Suri.

Hanna Rogan is a research fellow at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI) and a PhD candidate at the University of Oslo. She wrote a Master’s thesis on al-Qaida’s media strategy and is currently working on jihadism in North Africa.

Scott Sanford is a graduate student at George Washington University, Washington D.C. His research focus is militant movements in the Levant.

Anne Stenersen is a research fellow at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI) and a PhD candidate at the University of Oslo. She is the author of the book Al-Qaida’s Quest for Weapons of Mass Destruction. Her current research focuses on the history of the Arabs in Afghanistan and Pakistan after 9/11.

Truls Tønnessen is also a research fellow at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment and a PhD candidate in History at the University of Oslo. His MA degree focused on Islamism in Egypt, while his doctoral research centers on the Iraqi insurgency.

All contributors are writing in a private capacity; the views expressed here do not represent those of their employers, their affiliate institutions, or the governments of the countries in which they live.

http://www.jihadica.com/about/


Thomas Hegghammer (CV) is an academic specialising in the study of violent Islamism. He is a senior research fellow at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI) in Oslo and a non-resident fellow at New York University's Center on Law and Security. He is the author of the book Jihad in Saudi Arabia (Cambridge University Press) and the co-author of al-Qaida in its own words (Harvard University Press, 2008). Thomas Hegghammer also edits the blog Jihadica and comments frequently in international media.

Recent Publications
- "Sikkerhetspolitiske implikasjoner av opprørene i Midtøsten", DNAK Kortinfo, (11 May 2011)
- "The Rise of Muslim Foreign Fighters", International Security (6 January 2011). See also the related policy brief.
- "The case for chasing al-Awlaki", ForeignPolicy.com (24 November 2010)

Other news
- Jacket cover of the forthcoming book The Meccan Rebellion available (21 May 2011)
- Audio interview with the Economist on the death of Usama bin Ladin (6 May 2011)
- Thomas Hegghammer awarded the annual prize for young scholars (humanities and social sciences) by the Royal Norwegian Society of Sciences and Letters (11 March 2011)
- Testimony to the Special Senate Committee on Anti-Terrorism, Canadian Senate (6 December 2010)
- Webcast recorded for the National September 11 Memorial Museum website (7 July 2010)

Upcoming talks
- none scheduled

http://hegghammer.com/


Brynjar Lia
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Brynjar Lia (born July 14, 1966) is a Norwegian historian and research professor at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI) where he is head of FFI's research on international terrorism and global jihadism. Lia is viewed as one of Norway's foremost experts on terrorism and is much cited in Norwegian and international media in connection to Al-Qaeda and international terrorism. Lia's last book is about Abu Musab al-Suri, which has been reviewed in publications like Newsweek, The Economist, London Review of Books, and The New York Review of Books.
[edit] Bibliography of books in English

Architect of Global Jihad: The Life of Al Qaeda Strategist Abu Mus'ab Al-Suri (Columbia Univ. Press, 2008)
Building Arafat's Police: The Politics of International Police Assistance in the Palestinian Territories After the Oslo Agreement (Ithaca Press, 2007)
A Police Force Without a State: A History of the Palestinian Security Forces in the West Bank And Gaza (Ithaca Press, 2006)
Globalisation and the Future of Terrorism: Patterns and Predictions (Routledge, 2005)
The Society of the Muslim Brothers in Egypt 1928-42 (Ithaca Press, 1998)

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FFI explains al-Qaida document, regarding a pre-warning found on the Internet about the Madrid 2004 bombing
Dr Brynjar Lia's "The al-Qaida Strategist Abu Mus'ab al-Suri: A Profile", from Counterterrorism blog
Newsweek article about Abu Musab al-Suri with comments from Lia
Book review of Architect of Global Jihad (The Economist, 2007)
Book review of Architect of Global Jihad (London Review of Books, 2008)
The growth of 'online Jihadism' (BBC World, 26 October 2006)
Jihadi Suicide Bombers: The New Wave (The New York Review of Books, June 2008)

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... rynjar_Lia


Ever since the late 1990s, it has been claimed that the threat of chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) terrorism from al-Qaida is real and growing. Yet, few academic studies have been focused towards analyzing al-Qaida¿s actual interest in developing a CBRN capability. This book seeks to investigate al-Qaida¿s interest in CBRN weapons, as reflected by statements and activities on various levels within the network between 1996- 2007. The study considers a variety of primary sources, ranging from the writings of well-known strategists to chemical formulations posed on al-Qaida-affiliated web pages. The study concludes that al-Qaida¿s interest in using non- conventional means to achieve their goals appears lower than commonly anticipated. The book then goes on to discuss why there is an apparent lack of CBRN-related innovation within the network, drawing from previous studies on CBRN terrorism and innovation in militant organizations. This book is aimed at anyone with an interest in the topics of CBRN terrorism or militant islamism, and might be of particular interest to professionals within the counter-terrorism community.

About the Author
Anne Stenersen, M.Phil: Studied Arabic at the University of Oslo and has conducted research on terrorism and militant Islamism since 2006. Research fellow at the Terrorism and Political Violence Project at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI).

http://www.amazon.com/Al-Qaidas-Quest-W ... 203&sr=1-1


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:52 pm

12#4 wrote:For anyone having the same issue as Nordic with Seargent's link..


All those links work fine for me.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Jonathan Paris has been selling the AQ/Jihad/Islamic angle for hours now on the BBC. Despite the facts. Anyone know this guy?
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby tazmic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:01 pm

Harvey wrote:Jonathan Paris has been selling the AQ/Jihad/Islamic angle for hours now. Despite the facts. Anyone know this guy?

He just about faced on his previous (excruciatingly contrived) interview for the BBC.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:02 pm

Just hopped online half an hour ago and saw the headline news.

Is it wrong that the first thing I did after reading the headline news was look at the date on my computer?

7/22/2011. 2x0x11=22 And many many modern terror attacks are almost always comprising a "7" in their date(7/7) or 11(or both, 7/11/2006 mumbai where 250 people were killed in subway blasts)
JFK was killed on 11/22(11x2)

...just saying.

Also is this the advent of the "blonde haired blue eyed" al Qaeda the media keeps talking about? As witnesses claim the shooter at the camp was white.
But yeah that's really something...making onto a tiny tiny mile or so wide island where noone can escape, dressing like a cop and shooting kids. Wtf?

I've often feared "Beslan" type shit would be used again to really get people in fear.

If you think about it, it's been awhile since a major terror attack(not including IRA or Spanish Basque seperatists) in Europe. The "al Qaeda/Islamist" blamed attacks like 3/11 and 7/7 stood out.
I still believe there was suppose to be one in Berlin on 9/7/2007 but ended up being foiled by good cops.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... ll_ma.html
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:09 pm

tazmic wrote:
Harvey wrote:Jonathan Paris has been selling the AQ/Jihad/Islamic angle for hours now. Despite the facts. Anyone know this guy?

He just about faced on his previous (excruciatingly contrived) interview for the BBC.

Jonathan-Paris


Yeah, saw that.

And now we seem to be heading toward a lone attacker scenario weirdly enough.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:36 pm

A poster called 'margo' at medialenswrites:

Would Norway draw the ire of jihadists at this juncture, given that Norway announced in January (a) it will be among the first countries to recognise Palestine in September this year, even if peace talks fail and (b) it is pulling out of the NATO-led Libyan operation in August?

Norway to Recognise Palestine If Peace Talks Fail
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2011/01 ... alks-fail/

Bomb in Norway unlikely to be from Gaddafi
http://www.moonofalabama.org/


Also, as various people have pointed out already, the gunman on the island was described as being tall, blond, white and "Norwegian-looking". Yet the BBC's "terrorism experts", if they deign to notice this at all, are just adducing it as further "evidence" that Islamist terrorists are now recruiting "ethnic Europeans".

"Al Qaeda" is really the perfect, all-purpose, ready-made culprit. It's fascinating to watch the pundits falling into lockstep so quickly, rushing towards the desired foregone conclusions long before there is any real evidence to incriminate any organisation at all. Which is precisely what they scoff at "conspiracy theorists" for allegedly doing.
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:37 pm

annie aronburg wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that island looks a bit small to have 700 people on it?



Yes, you are.


Glad we could get that cleared up.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:44 pm

This guy could have Nazi tattoos and affiliation with far right groups and they'd still try and tie him to "anger over cartoons, and being a member of an online Islamist forums".

Btw guys, what is it with "cartoons"? My dad was a cartoonist for a local paper in Hawaii, I've been cartooning my whole life and have done it for pay. I love animated cartoon shows.
Since 9/11 one of the biggest "carrot/stick" alleged motivators of jihadist incentive was "Mohamed cartoons" in Euro newspapers

This this today: al Qaeda to debut animated cartoon series.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43830365/ns ... -security/

My main concern is if the quality of animation is going to be another flash based suck fest.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:49 pm

[quote="MacCruiskeen"][/quote]

Tiny little island. No hotel or visible tents or anything. Anyway, allegedly seven dead in Oslo and twenty or more on the island, say grauniad.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:50 pm

For anyone having the same issue as Nordic with Seargent's link.. the Norweigan character ø may be breaker


Damn, there goes another paranoia-fueled assumption
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:51 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:A poster called 'margo' at medialenswrites:

Would Norway draw the ire of jihadists at this juncture, given that Norway announced in January (a) it will be among the first countries to recognise Palestine in September this year, even if peace talks fail and (b) it is pulling out of the NATO-led Libyan operation in August?


Norway will decidedly NOT be among the first countries to recognize the State of Palestine. Such a statement ignores the one-hundred and twenty countries which have recognized Palestine for quite some time now. However, Norway was among the first nations to fully recognize Israel as a state, and to promote their inclusion in the United Nations, despite a long history of entrenched anti-semitism there.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:54 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:"Al Qaeda" is really the perfect, all-purpose, ready-made culprit. It's fascinating to watch the pundits falling into lockstep so quickly, rushing towards the desired foregone conclusions long before there is any real evidence to incriminate any organisation at all. Which is precisely what they scoff at "conspiracy theorists" for allegedly doing.


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