American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

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Postby elfismiles » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:48 pm


Military struggles to regulate information on Afghanistan suspect
* Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012
Hal Bernton | Seattle Times

For nearly a week, the military kept a lid of secrecy over the Army soldier from Joint Base Lewis-McChord suspected of killing 16 Afghan villagers.

At the base south of Tacoma, officials cautioned Army families in his unit to stay quiet and admonished the press to respect their privacy.

At the Pentagon, senior officials leaked out selected details of the soldier’s background even as they removed links to public-affairs articles that detailed some of his experiences in Iraq and his involvement in a training exercise in Afghanistan.

But as the week wore on, the Defense Department began to lose control of the flow of information about the suspect, and the portrait that emerged was of a soldier who earlier had performed with honor on the battlefield, yet struggled on the homefront. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales allegedly left his small base in Kandahar province a week ago Sunday and, in the predawn hours, murdered 16 people in two villages.

Defense Department officials and military commanders have described the shooter’s actions as an aberration, in stark contrast to the conduct of the vast majority of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

“This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people,” Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said in a written statement. “Nor does it impugn or diminish the spirit of cooperation and partnership we have worked so hard to foster with the Afghan National Security Forces.”

Allen’s comments echo remarks made by other U.S. officials after photos became public of earlier war crimes involving five Lewis-McChord soldiers charged in the killings of three unarmed civilians in January, February and May of 2010. Four of the five were eventually convicted.

But so far, the case against Bales is unfolding in markedly different fashion than that earlier case, in which the Army was able to keep control of the information flow for a much longer period.

While Bales was able to contact a civilian attorney within days after his detention in Afghanistan, the five soldiers in the 2010 case were held for most of May that year for questioning at Kandahar Air Field.

Only in June, as they were charged, did the Army release their names, and only in August – months after the killings occurred – did civilian attorneys begin speaking to the media.

“In these cases, we have seen again and again, the Defense Department had moved to isolate and vilify the people accused of crimes,” said Daniel Conway, a civilian military attorney who represented one of the five charged in the 2010 killings. “It’s important for the (defense) attorneys to get out front, and change the dynamic.”

As the prosecution of the 2010 war crimes unfolded, the soldiers’ family members made sympathetic statements. But officers in the soldiers’ brigade did not make public statements. Press reports brought out repugnant details of their conduct – that the soldiers had plotted to make murder look like legitimate combat deaths, took body parts as trophies and posed for photos next to corpses in crimes committed over a five-month period.

Bales is alleged to have murdered all his victims in a single unauthorized foray outside his base.

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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby elfismiles » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:58 pm


Afghan government questions one-soldier role in massacre
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The US soldier who allegedly shot dead 16 Afghan civilians in Afghanistan's southern province of Kandahar, have been repatriated to a US military prison at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas.

Sergeant Robert Bales has been accused of opening fire on Afghan civilians on March 11th in Kandahar's Panjwaii district.

It has been alleged he entered homes to shoot dead at least 17 people, mostly women and children.

Several others were injured in the incident which has recently been under scrutiny by the Afghan parliament.

A fact-finding mission in that country has been trying to determine whether other US soldiers were involved.

Press TV has conducted interviews with locals and witnesses who have suggested the crime could not have been committed by a single soldier.

The US military has continued to insist that only one soldier was involved in the massacre.

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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Elvis » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:51 pm

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It's way past time to get the fuck out.



The guy returning to the base and calmly announcing that "I did it" reeked from the start, I bet he's covering for others. I'm getting the impression that the guy is a bit psycho to begin with, especially if he really did swindle a retiree out of $850,000 as an "investment advisor." I was wondering why he'd join the military if he'd scored $850K, then read above how he dropped everything to join the infantry. Curious.


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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:48 am

Nordic wrote:You know what is so seriously fucked up:

Had these same civilians been slaughtered in a drone strike, we'd hardly hear a word about it. They would have been labelled "militants" or "suspected al Queda" and that would have been the end of it.

Would have barely made a blip in the "news" here.


Sadly, you are completely right.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:43 am

Afghan Villagers Were Threatened by US Troops Ahead of Massacre
Witnesses: Troops Lined Up All Men From Mokhoyan, Told Them They'd 'Pay'
by Jason Ditz, March 20, 2012
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The incongruous stories surrounding the March 11 massacre on Afghan civilians in two villages took another turn today, with reports from witnesses in Mokhoyan, one of the two villages targeted, that they were threatened by US troops just days before the massacre.

The witnesses say that troops rounded up all the men from the villages after a roadside bombing, lined them up against a wall, and told them they would “pay a price” for the attack.

The witnesses put the date of the bombing at either March 7 or 8. Previous stories had massacre suspect Robert Bales supposedly “upset” about a bombing in which one of his friends lost a leg.

The military would neither confirm or deny any bombings in the area, only insisting that they would investigate anything that might be related to the shootings. They likewise gave no comments about the threats in Mokhoyan.

If confirmed, the threats would also appear to support the Afghan probe’s version of the massacre, which had an organized group of over a dozen US troops carrying out the massacre, as opposed to a lone man, as the US maintains.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Simulist » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:06 am

Nordic wrote:You know what is so seriously fucked up:

Had these same civilians been slaughtered in a drone strike, we'd hardly hear a word about it. They would have been labelled "militants" or "suspected al Queda" and that would have been the end of it.

Would have barely made a blip in the "news" here.

It's important to single out one murderer so that the leaders of the organized murder spree can continue to feel morally superior and present themselves as such.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:29 pm

The most notable 'development' in this terrible event is the absence of ANY mention of conflicting news reports from the Afghan Parliamentary investigation and President Karzai in the mainstream US media that indicate up to 20 US Troops were involved in the cold-blooded murder. This is one of the biggest Red Flags to me of a concerted cover-up and extremely tight Military-coordinated 'message management' imposed on the US media -- no doubt rationalized where necessary to 'protect' the reputation of the Pentagon & overseas forces, to help defend the war's 'mission' from unecessary & damaging criticism by the US public, and to minimize blowback PR fallout that might harm Obama's re-election chances.

But there are some foreign news services such as in Germany, India and Russia Today as well as Press TV, for instance, that are reporting on the controversial alternative narrative -- as well as a few other alternative internet-based blogs and channels. Though details are still very limited. I guess that goes to show how regulated news reportage is in Afghanistan.
I find it very bizarre that some reports claim 3 seperate villages were attacked instead of 2.

This story is faintly reminescent of the conflicting narratives and official lies over the supposed Bin Laden murder-hit mission.

I can only surmise that if this was a planned massacre, it was as reprisal for a recent bombing and perhaps to provoke and escalate armed resistance, to get Afghans who are currently fence-sitters to become radicalized and active so the US/NATO troops have more productive targets to wage their so-called counter-terrorist war against.

And, probably, because the Pentagon felt they had such tight control of information 'message' they could pawn-off the attack on a lone-shooter who 'snapped' under battlefield stress.

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US cover up of the Afghan massacre unravels as probe finds two groups of US Soldiers carried out executions of 16 civilians, allegedly with full air support.

The US corporate media continues to insist that only one soldier carried out the brutal Afghan massacre which left 16 civilians, mostly woman and children, dead in their homes.

In Afghanistan another version of the story is developing that the corporate media fails to even acknowledge as Afghanistan President Karzai accuses the US government of covering up the truth about the executions.

President Karzai, Afghanistan Parliament members, investigators and local witnesses have a compiled a mountain of corroborating evidence that points to a clear cover up of the massacre by the US government.

Top officials in Afghanistan say the assassinations were premeditated executions carried out by death squads, who were flown in by helicopter and given air support during the mass murder and the death squads conducted the civilian slaughter in retaliation for attacks on US troops.

The killings have been found to have been conducted nearly simultaneously at two separate locations which cast major doubts the US narrative that a single gunman carried out the atrocities.

Further adding to the credibility of the Afghan narrative is these killings were conducted in less than a one hour time period during which time two Afghan woman were raped before they were murdered execution style.

While the people of Afghanistan have welcomed the US military in their country since 2001 they are demanding the US government end the cover up immediately and bring the perpetrators to justice.

They have gone on to warn that if that doesn’t happen, they will declare the United States military an occupying force like they did during the Russia invasion and that didn’t turn out to well for the Russians.

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On March 11, a group of US soldiers went from house to house in three villages in Kandahar’s Panjwaii district and killed at least 16 people, mostly women and children.

As the Morning Star in the UK reports on President Karzai blasting the US over what is a clear cover up of the massacre.

Karzai backs claim of US massacre cover-up

Afghan President Hamid Karzai today backed claims that more than one person had conducted the massacre of 16 civilians which US forces have blamed on a single soldier.

At a meeting with relatives of the nine children, four men and three women who were slain Mr Karzai said villagers’ accounts of the atrocity were “widely different from the scenario depicted by US military officials.

The president pointed to a villager at the meeting and said: “In his family people were killed in four rooms and then they were brought together in one room and set on fire. That one man cannot do.”

He also blasted the US for refusing to share information from its investigation into the outrage, which was conducted in two separate villages.

A government delegation sent to Kandahar to investigate had “not received the expected co-operation of the United States,” he said, adding that he would raise the issue with the occupying army “very loudly.”

Back at the presidential palace in Kabul Mr Karzai said the ever-escalating civilian death toll by Nato occupiers was intolerable and repeated calls made a day earlier for total withdrawal from rural areas.

“This has been going on for too long,” he said. “You have heard me before. It is the end of the rope here. This form of activity, this behaviour cannot be tolerated. It is past, past, past the time.”

[...]

Source: Morning Star

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In typical fashion the US media has entered into damage control mode.

The New York Times went on to report that Karzai has lashed out at the US government for failing to cooperate with the panel he assigned to investigate the incident.

The article conveniently leaves out any mention of Karzai’s accusation of a cover up or any mention that the executions were carried out by squads of US soldiers .

Instead, in typical doublespeak fashion used by the media to lie about something, the article uses a passive voice to described the incident “a shooting rampage attributed to an American soldier.”

Perhaps even more disgusting is the article links the phrase “a delegation he had sent to investigate the killings” to an article about militants attacking a memorial service for the victims.”

While the US media will not report on the atrocities and the war crimes being committed by the United States overseas we can still access reports from the overseas media as long as the internet remains uncensored.

Keeping information like this from the American public is really what the push for cybersecurity and online copyright censorship bills is all about.

The probe the New York Times fails to link to has found that 2 separate squads of up to 20 US soldiers conducted the door to door massacres in two different locations within about a one hour time frame.

Here is a report from Pajhwhok Afghan News

Up to 20 US troops executed Panjwai massacre: probe
KANDAHAR CITY (PAN): A parliamentary probe team on Thursday said up to 20 American troops were involved in Sunday’s killing of 16 civilians in southern Kandahar province.

[...]

The team spent two days in the province, interviewing the bereaved families, tribal elders, survivors and collecting evidences at the site in Panjwai district.

Hamizai Lali told Pajhwok Afghan News their investigation showed there were 15 to 20 American soldiers, who executed the brutal killings.

“We closely examined the site of the incident, talked to the families who lost their beloved ones, the injured people and tribal elders,” he said.

He added the attack lasted one hour involving two groups of American soldiers in the middle of the night on Sunday.

“The villages are one and a half kilometre from the American military base. We are convinced that one soldier cannot kill so many people in two villages within one hour at the same time, and the 16 civilians, most of them children and women, have been killed by the two groups.”

[...]

He said the people they met had warned if the responsible troops were not punished, they would launch a movement against Afghans who had agreed to foreign troops’ presence in Afghanistan under the first Bonn conference in 2001.

The lawmaker said the Wolesi Jirga would not sit silent until the killers were prosecuted in Afghanistan. “If the international community does not play its role in punishing the perpetrators, the Wolesi Jirga would declare foreign troops as occupying forces, like the Russians,” Lali warned.

[...]

Source: Pajhwhok Afghan News

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Press TV reports on the Afghan investigation finding two woman had been raped prior to being executed.

US forces raped two women in Kandahar carnage: Probe mission

The Afghan parliamentary mission investigating the recent massacre of 16 civilians by US forces in Afghanistan says two women were raped during the deadly incident, Press TV reports.

Two members of the fact-finding mission, Hamidzi Lali and Shakila Hashemi, told the general meeting of Afghanistan’s parliament on Saturday that the American troopers raped two Afghan women before starting the massacre.

They said between 15 to 20 US soldiers were involved in the carnage.

This is while Washington claims that the 38-year-old Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales, who has just arrived in the US, was the only American military personnel responsible for the massacre.

Earlier on Friday, Afghanistan’s President Hamid Karzai criticized the United States for not cooperating with the Afghan fact-finding team and said the killing of civilians by foreign forces in Afghanistan “has been going on for too long.”

On March 11, a group of US soldiers went from house to house in three villages in Kandahar’s Panjwaii district and gunned down Afghan civilians inside their homes, killing at least 16 people — mostly women and children — and injuring several others.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Elihu » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:52 pm

end the war(s) anyone?

official:
pre-emptive
illiteracy
poverty
cancer
"drugs"
"inflation"
unemployment
"terror"

memetic:
women
middle class
race
(im)morality
civilizations


free-form, toss em out there! indicate the ones you would like to keep.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Nordic » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:54 pm

Let's have a war against wars. Or a war on war-mongers.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Elihu » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:03 pm

Senator sets up hearing on bounties in NFL

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/77228 ... unties-nfl

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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:30 pm

Nordic wrote:Let's have a war against wars. Or a war on war-mongers.


That would be impractical, as warmongers won't pursue wars against themselves. Just try to eliminate reactions of prejudice, such as fear and hate, towards various peoples when the opportunity arises.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:43 am

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Robert Bales – Lone Nut or Scapegoat?

What are the Americans hiding?


by Justin Raimondo, March 23, 2012

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The murder of 17 Afghan civilians – most of them children – by staff sergeant Robert Bales may be far worse than we think at present. The semi-official story, as related by our compliant news media, is that a formerly model soldier went bananas under the pressure of war-related injuries, financial problems at home, and the all-purpose PTSD explanation for military misbehavior, whereupon he decided – at 3 am in the morning, after drinking with his army buddies – to walk the couple of miles to an Afghan village, shoot 16 people sleeping in their beds, pile the bodies atop a funeral pyre and set the whole thing alight.

How did he get out of the base at 3 am unchallenged and without anyone’s knowledge? How did he manage to do so much damage alone? These questions automatically register in the minimally critical mind – unless, of course, you’re an American reporter, who is quite used to accepting what our government tells us without question. On the other hand, without clear evidence of another – darker – scenario, all one can do is engage in problematic speculation. That problem has been solved, however, because evidence of an alternative explanation is now coming to light which throws the whole "lone nut" theory into question.

A few days before Bales went postal, there was a bomb attack on a US convoy in which a friend of Bales’s lost a leg: Bales’s lawyer has been detailing his client’s anger at this incident, implying it precipitated the murder spree. There are indications, however, that this is not the whole story. One local resident relates how the Americans paid a visit to the village where the killings took place and threatened residents with retaliation:

"Ghulam Rasool, a tribal elder from Panjwai district, gave an account of the bombing at a March 16 meeting in Kabul with Mr Karzai in the wake of the shootings. ‘After the incident, they took the wreckage of their destroyed tank and their wounded people from the area," Mr Rasool said. ‘After that, they came back to the village nearby the explosion site. The soldiers called all the people to come out of their houses and from the mosque,’ he said. ‘The Americans told the villagers ‘A bomb exploded on our vehicle. … We will get revenge for this incident by killing at least 20 of your people,’ Mr Rasool said."

So there was a direct threat, and not specifically from Bales but from an organized group of American soldiers presumably under the command of US army officers. Even more sinister is this report from the Christian Science Monitor:

"Several Afghans near the villages where an American soldier is alleged to have killed 16 civilians say U.S. troops lined them up against a wall after a roadside bombing and told them that they, and even their children, would pay a price for the attack.

"…One Mokhoyan resident, Ahmad Shah Khan, told The Associated Press that after the bombing, U.S. soldiers and their Afghan army counterparts arrived in his village and made many of the male villagers stand against a wall.

"’It looked like they were going to shoot us, and I was very afraid,’ Khan said. ‘Then a NATO soldier said through his translator that even our children will pay for this. Now they have done it and taken their revenge.’"

Another resident of Mokhoyan, Naek Mohammad, says that on the day of the IED attack he heard a loud explosion, went outside to investigate, and spoke with a neighbor. As they spoke, a group of Afghan army soldiers rounded them up and stood them against a wall. Mohammad says:

"’One of the villagers asked what was happening. The Afghan army soldier told him, ‘Shut up and stand there.’ Mohammad said a U.S. soldier, speaking through a translator, then said: ‘I know you are all involved and you support the insurgents. So now, you will pay for it — you and your children will pay for this.’"

Bales murdered 17 civilians, half of them children sleeping in their bed.

The Afghan parliament is investigating, and they aren’t buying the Americans’ story of a "lone nut." Nor is President Hamid Karzai:

"In an emotional meeting with relatives of the shooting victims, Karzai said the villagers’ accounts of the massacre were widely different from the scenario depicted by U.S. military officials. The relatives and villagers insisted that it was impossible for one gunmen to kill nine children, four men and three women in three houses of two villages near a U.S. combat outpost in southern Afghanistan.

"Karzai pointed to one of the villagers from Panjwai district of Kandahar province and said:

"’In his family, in four rooms people were killed — children and women were killed — and then they were all brought together in one room and then set on fire. That, one man cannot do.’

"Karzai said the delegation he sent to Kandahar province to investigate the shootings did not receive the expected co-operation from the United States. He said many questions remained about what occurred, and he would be raising the questions with the U.S. military ‘very loudly.’"

The infamous "night raids" carried out by US troops have been a source of contention between Karzai and the Americans. As one commentator described them:

"The method employed is simple: Identify those who provide financial support or protection to the militants. And those who even have sympathies with them. Constitute teams which would go to the houses so identified, knock at the door and as soon as the wanted man appears, shoot him dead. At times a substitute is killed who may be a guest in the house but was unlucky to greet the intruders at the door. On an average about 50 night raids take place daily. And every night about 25 people are killed in cold blood in different parts of the country."

This is the "new" counterinsurgency doctrine – which is supposed to win "hearts and minds" – in practice: a program of systematic terror designed to dry up support for the Taliban by driving up the costs of collaborating with them. One may credibly argue it isn’t working, but this question seems beside the point: such a murderous strategy mandates the commission of war crimes. Whether it is "working" or not is irrelevant.

Another suspicious aspect of this whole affair is the extraordinary aura of secrecy surrounding it. The Pentagon kept Bales’s identity under wraps as long as it could, unlike in the case of, say, Major Hasan, the Ft. Hood shooter, whose name was out there almost as soon as the news hit the wires. In addition, they have treated Bales as if he were a cache of radioactive material, keeping him in complete isolation after spiriting him out of Afghanistan to Kuwait – without having notified the Kuwaitis – where his presence caused consternation and protests from the local authorities when it was discovered. He was soon back in the US, greeted by a cascade of sympathetic accounts in the media detailing his battlefield injuries, his "patriotic" persona, his alleged PTSD, and his myriad financial problems. As of this writing, he has been charged with 17 counts of murder: apparently the initial count of the dead was wrong.

The Afghans say the US military has been less than cooperative with the parliamentary investigation, and the Afghan chief of staff claims he was refused permission to see Bales. All of this has led to an outcry in Afghanistan, where the local are saying this was an organized revenge killing rather than Sergeant Psycho on a rampage. Which raises an intriguing question: organized by whom?

It seems to me there are two possibilities:

1) This was the result of a "rogue" group of soldiers acting on their own, motivated by the previous IED attack. Reports that Bales was drinking with a group of other soldiers the night of the massacre conjure images of a late-night venting climaxed by a senseless act of terror.

2) It was a "night raid" gone horribly wrong. This is suggested by the fact that the "official" story of what happened that night limns these night raids to a tee, except for the number of military personnel involved. And Karzai has a point: it is certainly possible Bales went to two residences, killed 16 women and children, and then gathered up the bodies and burned them in the space of a couple of hours, with no assistance from anyone — but how likely is it? About as likely as Bales’s claim not to remember anything of that night.

What is striking is how seamlessly these two scenarios blend into each other: even if this heinous crime was carried out by a "rogue" group of soldiers, how different is it from those night raids where they are acting under orders? The direct threats issued to the villagers, however, points to the possibility that they were acting with the knowledge of at least some higher-ups, who must have authorized the round-up, the use of a translator, and even the participation of the Afghan army.

What is worrying is that the numerous reports coming out of Afghanistan of rampant war crimes committed by "rogue" soldiers – "kill teams" – indicates a complete breakdown of the US chain of command. At the top of the command structure, the grand strategists and theoreticians are constructing elaborate theories of counterinsurgency warfare designed to win over the populace and deny the Taliban a victory. However, by the time "clear, hold, and build" trickles down to the ranks in the field, it becomes "clear, hold, and kill."

The reason is because no theory of counterinsurgency warfare, no strategy — no matter how clever — can win the hearts and minds of an occupied people. We can clear the Taliban out of a district, and even hold it with enough troops, but all we are building, in the end, is resentment and hatred of our presence.

The villagers are saying this was an act of revenge, but doesn’t that accurately describe the entire Afghan campaign in a nutshell? Short of actually getting Osama bin Laden at the outset of the invasion, revenge for the 9/11 attacks was clearly the reason we stayed after the battle of Tora Bora. The thin pretext given by the Bush administration — and, subsequently, the Obama administration – was that we had to stay in order to deprive al-Qaeda of a "safe haven." When it was discovered al-Qaeda was no longer around, the War Party turned to its fallback position: we can’t leave, they said, because the real "safe haven" is in Pakistan, and we need to guard the Afghan-Pakistan border to not only prevent the terrorists’ return but also to strike at them in their newfound lair.

The latest massacre has put the administration in a precarious position, not only with our Afghan allies but also with the American public. Story after story of nasty atrocities isn’t helping the battle for hearts and minds on the home front: polls show most Americans want out sooner rather than later. A deluge of sympathetic stories about the accused killer isn’t going to change this. What remains to be seen, however, is how this crime is going to be investigated – or not investigated – by the US military. If the testimony of the villagers contradicting the "lone nut" theory continues to be ignored by the Americans, we’ll know a cover up is in progress.

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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby IntegratingInsanity » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:38 am

Looks like they are turning on the soldiers gradually = prob because they know (from Vietnam) that in the future quite alot will speak out against the war.
Also - it helps justify the government paying them lowzy wages, benefits etc etc, gives the governement moral high ground and makes them look like they report every misdemeanor over there.
After all the US and UK are the world police. Some people still believe that crap. :wallhead: :wallhead: :wallhead:

Life in the middle east has such low value, its shocking. It never amazes me just how much human beings can choose who to care about, and who not too. 50 Iraqi's killed in car bomb = no big deal. 1 millionaire footballer has a heart defect on the pitch here in England = makes headline news all week, and every man and his dog wants to turn on the crocodile tears.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:51 pm

Afghan Witnesses Say Sgt. Robert Bales Did Not Act Alone
by John Glaser, March 29, 2012

Child witnesses to the massacre of 17 Afghan civilians by Staff Sgt. Robert Bales say there was more than one U.S. soldier party to the crime, contradicting the story told by the Pentagon.

Yalda Hakim, a journalist for SBS Dateline in Australia, was born in Afghanistan and immigrated to Australia as a child. She is the first international journalist to interview the surviving witnesses, which she was able to do after American officials tried to prevent her contact with the village witnesses.

An 8-year old Afghan girl named Noorbinak, according to the MSNBC, “told Hakim that the shooter first shot her father’s dog. Then, Noorbinak said in the video, he shot her father in the foot and dragged her mother by the hair. When her father started screaming, he shot her father, the child says. Then he turned the gun on Noorbinak and shot her in the leg.”

“One man entered the room and the others were standing in the yard, holding lights,” Noorbinak said in the interview.

A brother of one of the victims said the children who witnessed saw many soldiers. “They don’t know whether there were 15 or 20, however many there were,” he said in the interview.

Army officials have repeatedly denied that others were involved in the massacre, maintaining that Bales acted alone.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby RobinDaHood » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:43 pm

Pentagon Silent on Whether Suspect in Afghan Massacre Took Controversial Anti-Malaria Drug
Metfloquine, also called Lariam, is used to protect soldiers from malaria, but has been known to have side effects including paranoia and hallucinations.
As Staff. Sgt. Robert Bales is charged with murdering 17 Afghans, we speak with reporter Mark Benjamin, who revealed the Pentagon recently launched an emergency review of a controversial anti-malaria drug known to induce psychotic behavior. Metfloquine, also called Lariam, is used to protect soldiers from malaria, but has been known to have side effects including paranoia and hallucinations. It has been implicated in a number of suicides and homicides, including within the U.S. military ranks. In 2009, the army decreed that soldiers who’ve suffered traumatic brain injuries should not be given the drug. But this month, just nine days after Bales’ shooting rampage, the army issued an emergency decree calling for the review to be expedited. “The military announced that this drug should not be given to people who have brain problems like traumatic brain injuries,” Benjamin says. “What the military has discovered is that out on the battlefield, those rules aren’t being followed and some soldiers who do have these kinds of problems are getting this drug.” The Pentagon says there’s no connection between its review of Metfloquine and the murders, but it’s refused to confirm or deny whether Bales was given the drug. Benjamin reports for the Huffington Post that the Pentagon initially ordered the review of Metfloquine in January.

video at link...http://www.nationofchange.org/pentagon-silent-whether-suspect-afghan-massacre-took-controversial-anti-malaria-drug-1332859679

More on the Malaria Drug...
Robert Bales Charged: Military Works To Limit Malaria Drug In Midst Of Afghanistan Massacre

Posted: 03/25/2012 11:50 pm Updated: 03/29/2012 2:35 pm

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon is in the midst of a widespread review of the military’s use of a notorious anti-malaria drug after finding out that the pills have been wrongly given to soldiers with preexisting problems, including brain injuries such as the one sustained by the U.S. soldier who allegedly massacred 17 civilians in Afghanistan.

Mefloquine, also called Lariam, has severe psychiatric side effects. Problems include psychotic behavior, paranoia and hallucinations. The drug has been implicated in numerous suicides and homicides, including deaths in the U.S. military. For years the military has used the weekly pill to help prevent malaria among deployed troops.

The U.S. Army nearly the dropped use of mefloquine entirely in 2009 because of the dangers, now only using it in limited circumstances, including sometimes in Afghanistan. The 2009 order from the Army said soldiers who have suffered a traumatic brain injury should not be given the drug.

Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, the soldier accused of grisly Afghanistan murders of men, women and children on March 17, suffered a traumatic brain injury in Iraq in 2010 during his third combat tour. According to New York Times reporting, repeated combat tours also increase the risk of post-traumatic stress disorder.

Bales' wife, Karilyn Bales, broke her silence in an interview Sunday with NBC's Matt Lauer, airing on Monday's Today show. "It is unbelievable to me. I have no idea what happened, but he would not -- he loves children. He would not do that," she said in excerpts released Sunday.

On Jan. 17, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs Jonathan Woodson ordered a review to make sure that troops were not getting the drug inappropriately. The task order from Woodson begins: "Some deploying Service members have been provided mefloquine for malaria prophylaxis without appropriate documentation in their medical records and without proper screening for contraindications."

On March 20, after the massacre, a follow-up order was sent to the southwest region that says troops in "deployed locations" may be improperly taking the drug.

“Some deployed service members may be prescribed mefloquine for malaria prophylaxis without appropriate documentation in their medical records and without proper screening for contraindications,” the order says.

Army and Pentagon officials would not say whether Bales took the drug, citing privacy rules. When asked if Woodson’s mefloquine review was a response to the massacre, the military in Afghanistan referred the question to the Army. Army officials said they were “unaware” of the review. After being shown the task order via email, they stopped responding. The Secretary of Defense Office referred questions to the Army -- and then back to medical officials in the secretary’s office. Those officials have not responded.

But the sudden violence and apparent cognitive problems related to the crime Bales is accused of mirrors other gruesome cases.

A former Army psychiatrist who was the top advocate for mental health at the Office of the Army Surgeon General recently voiced concern about Bales’ possible mefloquine exposure. “One obvious question to consider is whether he was on mefloquine (Lariam), an anti-malarial medication,” Elspeth Cameron Ritchie wrote this week in TIME’s “Battleland” blog, noting that the drug is still used in Afghanistan.

“This medication has been increasingly associated with neuropsychiatric side effects, including depression, psychosis, and suicidal ideation.”

In 2004 in the United Press International, this reporter and reporter Dan Olmsted chronicled use of the drug by six elite Army Special Forces soldiers who took mefloquine then committed suicide. (Suicide is relatively infrequent among Special Forces soldiers).

"You're ready to take that plunge into hurting someone or hurting and killing yourself, and it comes on unbelievably quickly,” said one Special Forces soldier diagnosed with permanent brain damage from Lariam. “It's just a sudden thought, it's the right thing to do. You'll get a mental picture, and it's in full color."

Also that year, the UPI report showed how mefloquine use was a factor in half of the suicides among troops in Iraq in 2003 -– and how suicides dropped by 50 percent after the Army stopped handing out the drug.


In 2004, the Army dropped charges against Staff Sgt. Georg-Andreas Pogany, who was the first soldier since Vietnam charged with cowardice. Like Bales, Pogany faced a possible death sentence. But the Army dropped the charges after doctors determined that Pogany suffered from Lariam toxicity, which affected his behavior in Iraq.

In 2002, three elite soldiers, who took mefloquine in Afghanistan, returned to murder their wives and then commit suicide. Friends and neighbors described the soldiers’ behavior after taking the drug as incoherent, strange and angry.

Maj. Gary Kolb, spokesman for the Army's Special Operations Command, was skeptical when asked at the time if mefloquine could have played a role in the tragedies at Fort Bragg. "I think you are heading down the wrong road. That is just my personal opinion."

Bales’ attorney, John Henry Browne, has said his client has apparent mental health issues and is suffering with memory loss, among other things. A call to his office was not immediately returned.

CORRECTION -- A previous version of this story reported that Woodson's Lariam review was ordered nine days after the massacre. In fact, the initial review was ordered in January. After the massacre, on March 20, one part of the Army issued an urgent call to complete the Jan. 17 request from Woodson within six days. The Pentagon still will not say if Bales was wrongly given mefloquine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/25/robert-bales-malaria-drug_n_1378671.html?ref=mostpopular
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