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Postby Searcher08 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:02 am

Elvis » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:52 am wrote:Maybe John McAfee could replace Trump as the shinier object -- he's way more entertaining than Trump.


I was watching Idiocracy again last night for the first time in years (I loved it even more) .

I came away thinking one of the characteristics of that time that is mirrored today is how out of touch the soldier (the countries smartest man) is with the people. They think 'his shit is retarded' and all he does is 'talk that fag talk'. Yes, he is more intelligent according to their scores, but he is also a dumb elitist snob who just wants to get back to his comfort zone, the one he was so pissed about moving from. His attitude is every bit as much "Fuck you, I dont want to be disturbed!" as the guy outraged at the interruptions to his watching "Ow My Balls!".

I guess Im not expressing this very clearly - I came away from that piece thinking the writer and his worldview are as dumb, shiny, vacuous, superficial and narcissistic as Trump himself.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby vince » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:31 pm

Searcher08 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:02 am wrote:
Elvis » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:52 am wrote:Maybe John McAfee could replace Trump as the shinier object -- he's way more entertaining than Trump.


I was watching Idiocracy again last night for the first time in years (I loved it even more) .

I came away thinking one of the characteristics of that time that is mirrored today is how out of touch the soldier (the countries smartest man) is with the people. They think 'his shit is retarded' and all he does is 'talk that fag talk'. Yes, he is more intelligent according to their scores, but he is also a dumb elitist snob who just wants to get back to his comfort zone, the one he was so pissed about moving from. His attitude is every bit as much "Fuck you, I dont want to be disturbed!" as the guy outraged at the interruptions to his watching "Ow My Balls!".

I guess Im not expressing this very clearly - I came away from that piece thinking the writer and his worldview are as dumb, shiny, vacuous, superficial and narcissistic as Trump himself.


I, too, couldn't turn off "Idiocracy" last night...
Whereas before, I thought the 'voice-over' parts ruined the film, it now comes across that, perhaps, Mr. Judge thought the audience might be too dumb to follow the story, and adding a 'voice-of-authority' to narrate would get the point across easier.... for those living 10-to-15 years after the films' release !!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:51 am

Surprise! Donald Trump's Father Was Probably in the Ku Klux Klan
How fitting.
By Kali Holloway / AlterNet September 10, 2015

According to a 1927 New York Times article, it seems that the father of billionaire Republican presidential candidate and professional bile-spewer Donald Trump may have had ties to the Ku Klux Klan.

The Times piece, subtitled “Klan Assails Policemen” and recently unearthed by Boing Boing, identifies a man named Fred Trump as among those arrested for participating in a brawl between the cops and the Klan. As Talking Points Memo notes, the Queens borough address listed for the arrested man, “172-24 Devonshire Road, Jamaica,” matches the known lifelong residence of the real estate mogul’s father.

Per theTimes article, which you can read in its entirety here, members of the Klan made an agreement with Police Commissioner Joseph A. Warren not to wear any “symbols of the order” in a parade, then went on to break their promise; they “not only wore gowns, but had hoods over their faces almost completely hiding their identity.” The “near riot” that followed happened when “1,000 Klansmen and 100 policemen staged a free-for-all battle.”

Of course, it could all be one big coincidence that the man fingered in the article shares the name and address of the man who nearly two decades later would sire Donald Trump. But it doesn’t look good from here. The twentysomething Trump from the Times piece was represented by the same counsel as the Klansmen in the article, though he appears to have been released without a fine.

As Boing Boing notes, if Fred Trump – he of the Klan riot – is, indeed, one in the same with The Donald’s father, “it would not be his last tangle with the law over issues concerning minorities”:

A 1979 article, published by Village Voice, reported on a civil rights suit that alleged that the Trumps refused to rent to black home-seekers, and quotes a rental agent who said Fred Trump instructed him not to rent to blacks and to encourage existing black tenants to leave. The case was settled in a 1975 consent degree described as "one of the most far-reaching ever negotiated," but the Justice Department subsequently complained that continuing "racially discriminatory conduct by Trump agents has occurred with such frequency that it has created a substantial impediment to the full enjoyment of equal opportunity.”

I’m not going to repeat all the despicable and racist nonsense Donald Trump has vomited up over the last few months because the Internet can help you find that fairly quickly, but this all seems to makes sense, considering. Would it be a surprise if Donald Trump turned out to be a guy who not only inherited a fortune, but the same racist attitudes, from his father? And that he would now be garnering kudos from white supremacist David Duke, having white nationalists consider naming their lily-white strongholds after him, or holding rallies in 2015 where supporters shout “White power”? If anything, from the latest look of things, Donald Trump’s father would be endlessly proud of his son.

In the meantime, the Trump campaign has not yet responded to media requests from either Boing Boing or Talking Points Memo.


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Postby 82_28 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:26 pm

Hopefully that will be enough to "hang" him as he was the spearhead in doubting Obama's "roots". Somebody should play the switcharoo on him demanding to show proof he isn't a descendant of a klan upbringing. I personally find him so physically and personality-wise repulsive that I am so surprised he is polling so high. His assets should be liquidated for a one day and one day only celebration/holiday of destroying prominent fascists and on the next day redistribute all his ill gotten wealth to those struggling. Trouble is, all his supporters have all the guns in which I wouldn't pick one up just to look at anyway. It's not even a dream it's just the ramblings of a loser idealist from me.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:46 pm

that Times article would appear to suggest that Trump the elder was on the side of the Fascisti, not the Klan.

I doubt many Knights of Columbus lawyers were eager to defend the Catholic hating Klan.
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Postby km artlu » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:18 pm

Isn't it possible that proven Klan or Fascisti connections wouldn't erode Trump's support base in any appreciable degree?
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Postby Sounder » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:55 pm

IanEye wrote...
that Times article would appear to suggest that Trump the elder was on the side of the Fascisti, not the Klan.

I doubt many Knights of Columbus lawyers were eager to defend the Catholic hating Klan.


Does this mean that the Klan were/are Protestant fascists while the Fascisti are Catholic fascists, -and they hate each other?


km artlu wrote...
Isn't it possible that proven Klan or Fascisti connections wouldn't erode Trump's support base in any appreciable degree?


Possible, sure;- probable unfortunately.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:02 pm

I am comfortable with that assessment.
This was 1927, so I don't know if the Klan identified as fascist in terms of the roaring 20's zeitgeist definition back then.

But they did not like Catholics. It seems like sectarian differences has often been the saving grace that prevents full blown fascism here in the states. 2016 looks to be no different.



Which sect? If, like Gingrich, you oppose a secular Constitution and a secular government, then you must favor a sectarian Constitution and a sectarian government.
These are binary alternatives. Secular and sectarian are not points along a spectrum allowing for one to opt for some murky middle ground. There is no third way, no third option. If the government is not secular, the government must and will be sectarian.
Either the government will forbid the establishment of any official religious sect or an official religious sect will be established. Either the government will refuse to interfere with the free exercise of any religion or it will necessarily involve itself in the exercise of all of them.
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:21 am

http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/09/trum ... yond-sick/

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has made strange comments about his daughter, Ivanka, 33, over the past several years, and he has no plans on changing just because he is running for President. During a recent Rolling Stone interview, Trump said of his daughter: “Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father

Anyone with half a brain can see how Trump wanted to finish that statement. The fact that he has repeated this vision of his daughter so many times over so many years definitely suggests that he actually must think about it quite often.

A few years ago Trump and Ivanka appeared on an episode of The View and discussed what Trump would do if Ivanka ever decided to pose for Playboy. “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for nude photographs] inside the magazine,” Trump said. “Although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps, I would be dating her.”
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:56 pm

Every time I want to think this Trump thing is just his 2011 Presidential teasing, I keep seeing his poll numbers do laps around the more serious contenders like Bush or Christie.
I don't get it...I thought Trump was kind of seen as the crude rich but Democrat supporting guy all these years. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention.

I remember joking that Palin would be Trumps running mate...ugh

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Postby SonicG » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:29 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kelley » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:33 am

Dissolve The United States
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Filed to: ELECTION 20169/17/15 7:05pm


They are all insane people. Even poor, stressed-out, occasionally lucid-seeming John Kasich: bonkers. Pathology is contextual, and one simply does not bring reasonable takes like, "Actually, the deal with Iran is okay, provided we do the diligence of enforcing it, just like pretty much every other deal ever" to a presidential debate stage in the Time of the Donald.

A room with Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Donald Trump, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, and Chris Christie in it is a fucking clown show no matter what they are doing there. Playing Xbox. Drinking tea. Whatever the fuck. Stay out of that room. A room in which those 11 are being treated gravely as serious political figures and permitted to campaign for the privilege of national leadership—for the privilege of having their fingers on the button, as the moderator put it re: Trump—is the world capital of hazard. It also is something of a miracle, as opportunities go. Lock that room and fill it with water, while you can, before any of them get loose.

Ah damn. Too late.

Here are some of the ideas that received a hearing last night, from the 11 people vying for one of two available nominations to the highest and most powerful elected office in the history of the earth:


Abolishing the 14th Amendment

Deporting people born in the United States because their parents were not born in the United States

Making the personal beliefs of county officials the highest law of the land

Building an army of drones to patrol a militarized wall along the entire length of the U.S.-Mexico border

Deporting thousands of people per day until the United States is entirely emptied of non-citizens

Waging war in Syria

Waging war in Iran

Directing the moderators’ questions to Hillary Clinton, who was not present and who is not seeking the Republican presidential nomination


That these proposals all are implausible, irresponsible, or inconsistent with the candidates’ unanimously shared goal of drastically lowering all taxes or flatly bonkers or all of the above mostly went unmentioned, by the moderators and by the candidates themselves. Why bother? Such mincing concerns as these do not adhere to lunatic fantasies; making any of this shit work is a second-order delusion, after the one in which we live in the kind of place in which there’s any chance at all that any of these people can or would or even intends to try to enact a single goddamn one of them.

A campaign field like this one (and, mind you, this group of 11 left out four somehow even more ridiculous candidates—Rick Santorum, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, and George Pataki—who debated on the undercard), and early polling results that put three people who have never worked in government at any level (Trump, Carson, and Fiorina) near the center of the stage, can be interpreted to indicate discord on the American right, and that’s probably fair. It’s also a bit too small to encapsulate the full batshit insanity of, for example, some of the night’s loudest applause going to Jeb Bush for asserting that his big brother George W. Bush—the architect of two needless wars and alienator of the world on whose watch operatives of a well-known international terrorist network carried out the deadliest act of foreign hostility on U.S. soil since the bombardment of Pearl Harbor—“kept us safe.”

The thing being expressed here is not merely a disorganized right, but profound, widespread contempt for the entire idea that the United States can, should, or deserves to be governed. Which, given that the United States ultimately is nothing more than an agreement by wildly disparate and far-flung communities to consent to sharing the same government, amounts to contempt for the existence of the United States.

There’s plenty to like about that! Consider the assortment of gibbering psychos and clownfrauds and tools on that stage last night. The notion that a single government can meaningfully serve the interests and policy priorities of Mike Huckabee’s supporters (who evidently share his belief that a nation should be governed by asking Kim Davis what she thinks God wants her to do), and those of a Constitution-humping libertarian dweeb like Rand Paul is preposterous. The two groups’ respective theories of government share common ground roughly as thick as human hair, containing general agreement that government ought not purée babies and pretty much nothing else.

That is not nearly a wide enough plank to serve as the basis of a government that functions, which is no small part of why ours does not. And this is before accounting for the entire other, what, like 52 percent of the United States, who think both of those groups are fucking maniacs. This is unworkable.

Hell, for that matter, a single political party can’t even represent both the Huckabee and Paul groups. The mere effort has made an incoherent disaster of the GOP and created an opening for a reality TV star whose campaign pitch is his track record of withdrawing enormous personal profits from failed business investments to emerge as the choice of millions upon millions of voting-age Americans. Who consider themselves conservative! I will vote for Donald Trump; I trust him to become richer even if the United States implodes like one of his casinos, and that is what I, a “conservative,” look for in a states person.

Let’s do away with this shit. Many millions of Americans want their next president to be Carly Fiorina—an inept, failed CEO with no experience of public service who spent last night threatening to make war on half the fucking planet. She was like the eighth most irresponsible psychopath on the stage, and the rest of them, down to the least of them, all represent vast constituencies. This isn’t a failure of the political system—this is the political system working, expressing the will of the governed.

Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:51 am

I just can't believe the psychology at work here. Speaking as someone who has either voted Democrat or Green (so long green party) and no matter what, would ever vote for a R ever. I don't give a fuck if they are "reasonable". They are still the party that most closely aligns with shit that is certifiably stupid and counterintuitive if you live a life not championing selfishness, religious oppression, racial and cultural oppression blah blah blah. If you want to dance with the republicans it means you are down with all their stragglers and what for 1.5 generations it has espoused. Taking on the mantle on anything that can divide.

Now, I don't mean politically divide. Division within families and communities -- what have you. Republicans are cancer while the Democrats are just as deadly chemotherapy that just may work but could still kill you.

What would be "funny" is for Trump to get some form of cancer and lose his hair.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:16 pm

It's short and yet another thing that never occurred to me. It's from Denver's Westword "Dear Mexican" column and "the Mexican" who answers this makes a great point.

Dear Gabacho: Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to Mexicans since the bacon-wrapped hot dog. Oh, his rhetoric is straight out of The Turner Diaries, and Trump’s fans make slack-jawed yokels seem as cultured as Aristophanes. But the piñata pendejo is exactly what Mexicans need: a kick in the nalgas to wake us up and get us ready for the 2016 elections. Mexicans vote best when the raza is threatened, and given that Trump is vowing to deport eleven million undocumented folks and their anchor babies (otherwise known as “American citizens” by the Constitution), we’re going to make sure that neither he nor anyone copying his ideas gets into the Oval Office. And if they do? We’ll have a double revolution, in Mexico and the U.S., and boot the bastards out, ¿qué no?

http://www.westword.com/news/dear-mexic ... mp-7169674
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