Are there any US lawyers here? (Re. San Bernardino)

[km artlu]

From Dallas in 1963, and forward to 9/11 and beyond, every one of these major event narratives have holes you can drive a truck through. It strains credulity to see these flaws as the results of chronic incompetence.

My impression of this is that it's social engineering in action; that in fact it's the result of intricate competence, and that it has been highly effective. For many of us here the resulting cognitive dissonance has one kind of an effect. For those in the general population, those who don't question the narratives, it produces a similar dissonance, but subconsciously.

All overt deep state ops appear to serve multiple purposes. For example, 9/11 = Patriot Act = unthinking identification with atavistic tribal solidarity = wars = a handy solution to a real estate problem, and so on. Always the social engineering aspect is folded into the official, and blatantly unreal, approved narrative.

[Iamwhomiam]

Real lawyers who actually do represent Muslims entrapped and prosecuted by the FBI was handed to you and what, Mac, they are not good enough for you? You haven't even contacted them! I suppose you've been too busy gathering evidence, huh?

Nice editing job, btw. Too bad I can't edit your vitriolic slurs from my mind.

That is a lie. I "pushed" no such thing, nor did I even ever say it, so I cannot possibly have "let it go", nor can I even "seem" to.

If you have any evidence to the contrary -- and you don't, for no such evidence exists or has ever existed -- then you will post the link. You will provide evidence for your claims - chapter and verse. Or else you will offer a retraction and an apology. You will not spread any more lies or indulge in any more shabby evasions on this thread, least of all at my expense.

- edited to remove invective, because i am a goddamn saint.

Funny how just such a thing got me banned for a week. It was kind of you to then help me see how rude I had been when I wrote someone was "pathetic." "Liar" I suppose is a bit more civilized, eh? I suppose it would be, without the now deleted chosen scurrilous adjective. But in a forty-three page thread choosing to say that to an old guy with Alzheimer's, well now, that's just sweet lovable Mac spreading his own brand of Love. And Happy Christmas to you Mac.

Try, "I believe you're mistaken..." it's so much nicer a way to let someone know they've erred and more conducive to meaningful conversation than calling someone "Liar!"

stickdog, I have no evidence of anything except 14 dead bodies and 22 injured, and that's according to the news reports and the police. I live in NY; do you really expect me to have evidence here in NY when the murders took place In California?

All I have is my belief. It's different than yours. I have never claimed they were innocent or guilty, 'cause I have no way of knowing. All I said is that they could have acted independently. If you believe something you have is truly evidence of anything all, run it by a criminal attorney and see what they say about your media-gathered evidence. Consultation with an attorney is free of charge. Mac says to provide a link, so be sure to share all the links to your evidence with the attorney you meet with. (I guess a link makes it "genuine" evidence)

Sorry you feel the need to belittle me. I wish you well. Merry Christmas.

[stickdog99]

Merry Christmas to all, including Iamwhoiam!

I don't wish to belittle anyone. And I don't know exactly how "innocent" the Farooks are. They may have had some connection with the security state before they were executed or removed from the pages of history or whatever. I am just concerned about how little it takes for US citizens to convict other US citizens in their minds on the basis of nothing but the "strength" of the innuendo of official and anonymous law enforcement sources.

For me, the idea that a nursing mother of a newborn with no military or munitions training riddled her husband's co-workers with bullets for Allah without any witnesses' noticing this is an extraordinary claim. As such, one's acceptance of such a claim should require extraordinary, rather than exactly zero hard, evidence. YMMV

[Burnt Hill]

For me, the idea that a nursing mother of a newborn with no military or munitions training riddled her husband's co-workers with bullets for Allah without any witnesses' noticing this is an extraordinary claim. As such, one's acceptance of such a claim should require extraordinary, rather than exactly zero hard, evidence. YMMV

Post-Partum Depression?

Apparently there were witnesses that saw two perpetrators, but that info came from LEO.

And Merry Christmas to all!

[Cordelia]

For me, the idea that a nursing mother of a newborn with no military or munitions training riddled her husband's co-workers with bullets for Allah without any witnesses' noticing this is an extraordinary claim. As such, one's acceptance of such a claim should require extraordinary, rather than exactly zero hard, evidence. YMMV

Post-Partum Depression?

I wondered when PPD would become a question. But, but, but.......can it really be imagined that a devoutly religious, full-time mother, one who had studied The Quran, (and was surrounded by the women in her husband's family) would succumb to 'Postpartum Depression' soon after birth by learning sniper skills, shoot up a party of innocent people, and thereby abandon her own child--one who depended on her for sustenance?

"Breastfeeding is very clearly encouraged in the Quran: "Mothers shall breastfeed their children for two whole years, for those who wish to complete the term" (2:233)."

http://islam.about.com/od/parenting/a/breastfeeding.htm

http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1/index. ... eding.html

She was set up, an easy mark. They both were. imho

[Burnt Hill]

For me, the idea that a nursing mother of a newborn with no military or munitions training riddled her husband's co-workers with bullets for Allah without any witnesses' noticing this is an extraordinary claim. As such, one's acceptance of such a claim should require extraordinary, rather than exactly zero hard, evidence. YMMV

Post-Partum Depression?

I wondered when PPD would become a question. But, but, but.......can it really be imagined that a devoutly religious, full-time mother, one who had studied The Quran, (and was surrounded by the women in her husband's family) would succumb to 'Postpartum Depression' soon after birth by learning sniper skills, shoot up a party of innocent people, and thereby abandon her own child--one who depended on her for sustenance?

"Breastfeeding is very clearly encouraged in the Quran: "Mothers shall breastfeed their children for two whole years, for those who wish to complete the term" (2:233)."

http://islam.about.com/od/parenting/a/breastfeeding.htm

http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1/index. ... eding.html

She was set up, an easy mark. They both were. imho

I can imagine scenarios where PPD could have contributed to the alleged acts she may have committed. Her social/cultural status would not have immunized her from PPD. Women have done worse things when afflicted with PPD. Honestly I am trying to fill in the cracks in the "official " story- but there are many- too many.
And I agree they were easy marks.
Thanks for the Quran and breastfeeding links Cordelia, I learned some things!

[Iamwhomiam]

I dismiss PPD as a reason for her supposed behavior. Breast feeding mothers I've known who have planned on being away from their nursing infants for more than a few hours always pump their breasts to store milk to feed their child in their absence. Why wouldn't she have done the same?

[Cordelia]

Honestly I am trying to fill in the cracks in the "official " story- but there are many- too many.

I agree. I'm finding it more important than usual to try to read between the lines and to keep a human face on all the people involved. I can imagine that everyone impacted is being managed and very frightened (maybe why nobody steps up to the plate to challenge the official story) as well as traumatized. The official lines fed to the public early on become mantras repeated over and over for maximum conditioning.

As the family of the dead 'perpetrators', the Farook family members are as much victim survivors as the other victim survivors. I hope the orphaned baby, who, if she was nursing and abruptly weaned (unless a wet nurse was found), is reunited with those she remembers as her family.

"Shortly after the attacks, David Chesley, a lawyer for the Farook family, said Rafia had never seen anything to suggest her son and daughter-in-law were planning a massacre or building explosives. She spent the first several days after the attack crying, he said.

Since then, she has said nothing publicly and has largely kept out of sight, but returned to the townhome this weekend with family to retrieve some belongings. She also attended a court hearing this month to determine who will take custody of her orphaned granddaughter.

It won't be her — the family's lawyers have said Rafia's older daughter is seeking custody."

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/ ... ia-shooter

They have to run the gauntlet of reporters and People Magazine to remove personal belongings from the 'crime scene'

"Relatives of Syed Rizwan Farook – including his mother, brother, brother-in-law, and the family lawyer – gathered to start removing the couple's possessions just after 10 a.m. local time, according to the Sun.

With a U-Haul, the Farook family was helped by movers as they went in and out of the house, according to the Press-Enterprise.

Items removed ranged from furniture and appliances, as well as a baby crib and a stroller – presumably used by the pair's 6-month-old daughter – according to the Press-Enterprise. "

http://www.people.com/article/family-re ... oters-home



Iamwhomiam: wadr, I often skip your posts because your avatar makes me want to cover my eyes and run from my castle to the nearest monastery. fwiw.

[Iamwhomiam]

Sorry it's been there so long, Cordelia. It was the creepiest I could find for Halloween. My computer with my preferred icons crashed, or I would have changed it immediately after Halloween and will now concentrate in finding my replacement, I promise!

[Cordelia]

^^^
Oh don't worry and, anyway, this is an eclectic audience. One viewer's Francis Bacon is another viewer's Vermeer.

[fruhmenschen]

About a year ago I contacted the
following lawyers
who are on my FBI WATCH email
newsletter list.

This was done with an eye towards having them band
together in a loose confederation where they might
be able to respond as a rapid response legal SWAT
team as in the case of San Bernadino.

They expressed interest.

I am now throwing you a forward pass...
Any receivers downfield?

attorney Michael Kuzma Buffalo NY
attorney Sara Zalkin Pier 5 Law San Fransisco
attorney Flint Taylor Peoples Law Office Chicago Illinois
attorney Frederick Whitehust North Carolina
attoeney Michael Avery Suffolk Law School Boston
attorney Joan Gibbs Brooklyn New York
attorney Alec Charns North Carolina

additional resources
National Lawyers Guild
Center For Constitutional Rights New York
National Whistleblowers Center Wasington DC


footnote

For the last 5 years I have been looking for
lawyers to help me draft a legal studies
curriculum that would be implemented in grades
1-12 .
The goal is to graduate high school seniors who could
pass the Bar Legal Exam not to create more lawyers.