FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

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Postby FourthBase » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:06 pm

Harvey » 23 Feb 2020 19:33 wrote:
FourthBase » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:08 pm wrote:
RocketMan » 23 Feb 2020 16:07 wrote:Can we not have these masturbatory threads devoted to single members, please?


"Silence, dissident!"


Emergency translation: "I'm talking shit here! you mind?"


:lol:

It really is that pathetic, isn't it? Here I am, basically in one tiny little room, out of hundreds, thousands, millions, by myself, evacuating my thoughts into the yawning toilet bowl of the internet, essentially talking to myself (legomai ego haha), maybe also pulling a two-birds-one-stone* by rubbing one out to myself (like Shakespeare might have done lol) at the same time, a lonely narcissistic schmuck ranting to himself about "Truth", probably useless, ultimately harmless, maybe even worthless, nobody listening...and RocketMan still feels compelled to get me evicted. Jesus, talk about a control freak. Maybe the thing is, though, that he's precisely afraid people are listening to me, or will. And he can't go toe-to-toe, and he knows it, so instead he decides to go, "Shut up shut up shut up shut up!" But I won't. I'll keep talking and writing and thinking and arguing for as long as I can, however long the universe allows. And I hope it's gonna be a long, long time.

*Which reminds me, I should add "Two Birds" to the Urban Dictionary. I have to credit an ex's sister's husband for that one, though.
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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:07 am

You know what? Except for refreshing an old thread here and there, why don't I just keep everything I think to this thread. That way I'm not polluting the board with dissent. RocketMan et al. won't be bothered. I'll mind my own business in my little cabin, my insignificant little room. A voluntary exile to the corner, deserved or not, just because. I don't feel claustrophobic in a confined space. It feels liberating, actually. I feel like a peacock in a cage. Still putting on a better show than the pigeons!

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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:50 am

Speaking of peacock...why don't you-all-who-know-who-you-are want me to fly? I don't get it. I'm trying to help you people. Don't you realize how radical I am? Don't you understand that I'm trying to snatch away whatever the right is right about from them so they have nothing left to argue? Don't you get that there's no possible way that the truth, whatever it is, isn't some asymmetrical synthesis of You and Them, with my sympathies heavily skewed toward You? I am, in fact, an anti-racist. (I just think that anti-racism must also encompass anti-"anti-racism" to be complete.) I am, in fact, an anti-fascist. (I fucking hate Nazis and white nationalists.) I am, in fact, an anti-capitalist. (I'm just even more of an anti-communist.) I am, in fact, pro-animal-rights. (I eat fish now but I'm just as radically against eating mammals, I still want a video-truck-loop to spoil appetites.) I am, in fact, still largely a radical feminist. (I'm still in favor of maximum liberation and still a believer in the wisdom of going back to a matriarchy.) I am, in fact, still pro-queer. (I might even someday want to be a plaintiff in a lawsuit to legalize polyamorous marriage.) I am, in fact, most definitely, still as much of a conspiracy theorist as any of you. (Even more, because I'm not blind to the ones that implicate your "team"!) I am pro-Jew, but not unconditionally, not even reliably. (Can't wait to dive into that.) I am pro-America, but not just willing to account for every single bad, sinful, evil thing America has done: I think it's a duty. I am not a fucking fascist, for fuck's sake. You just don't like the fact that you're not completely right. You want to be completely right. It feels good to think you're completely right. But you're not. No one is. You're only giving the other guys a small but perpetual source of recruiting material by not fessing up to the things you might be wrong about. Take it away! Leave them nothing! Nothing. No good points that you don't already make. No hypocrisies for them to exploit. I'm showing you how to win. Do you like losing, because you get to feel like you have the moral high ground, even when you're in the gutter? Do you want to win? Am I your friend? Well, since being ruthlessly honest isn't conducive to friendship, then no, you won't think so. I will tell you that you're full of shit, that you have a figurative snot in your nostrils, that you have something in your eye obstructing your vision. Do you call people who choose not to tell you about those things your friends? You shouldn't! Am I your enemy? Only if realness is!

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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby Harvey » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:00 am

Don't you understand that I'm trying to snatch away whatever the right is right about from them so they have nothing left to argue?


A worthy ambition.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
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You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:35 am

Harvey » 24 Feb 2020 06:00 wrote:
Don't you understand that I'm trying to snatch away whatever the right is right about from them so they have nothing left to argue?


A worthy ambition.


Ain't it?

Thank you.

Imagine winning that war of position...
So much easier than a long, disingenuous march:

All their base are belong to you.

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They have nothing proprietary left to sell.

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They have no hypocrisy left to pin you with.

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Problem:

You're not going to want to give up as much as you'll need to in order to win. You'll want to cling to the notion that you're totally right and they're totally wrong. Which, tragically, ironically, counterproductively, is precisely what will keep them partially-right, which is their only life support. Can you solve that problem? I think you can. It's not that hard. It only requires an altered attitude, which will then inevitably guide you to the right maneuver: Pull the figurative plug from them, the one or two plugs that keep them charged, and plug it into your empty sockets.
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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:21 pm

FourthBase » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:12 am wrote:
When looking for what ails this world, it makes sense to look for what both sides have in common rather than how they oppose each other.


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Makes no sense to discount negative assessments.

If anything, those might be especially truthful, since nobody wants to acknowledge their own failures. Some ugly truths only an enemy is motivated enough to look for, identify, and broadcast. You should be especially interested in that which each and every side wants to omit about itself.

Can you imagine a debate about Israel that only looks at what both sides have in common? Monotheism, hummus, DNA, not-wanting-to-die (well, actually...), killing-the-other-guy-but-not-wanting-to-appear-like-the-villain (that's more like it), geography, olive oil, the Old Testament, funny hats. That would be ridiculously incomplete.

My 6996th post was an endorsement of viewing both the best and the worst about both sides, what we have in common and what drives us apart. Nice.


Getting around to this now. I believe your quote above is attributed to Sounder, if I'm not mistaken.

4thBase: If anything, those might be especially truthful, since nobody wants to acknowledge their own failures. Some ugly truths only an enemy is motivated enough to look for, identify, and broadcast. You should be especially interested in that which each and every side wants to omit about itself.


Yes, which is part of my underlying premise about 'truth' being largely arbitrary. Each "side" creates their truth based on what they may believe to be their, or their group's, reality, however subjective that may be. The issue that seems to be particularly glaring of late is that a given 'side' is increasingly isolating themselves from other perspectives. Digging into their subjective worldviews, exacerbating polarity in thought.

My larger point is that these divisions are almost entirely constructs of the mind, but that can be said about anything we experience. The more 'real' the constructs become to a person or group, the greater potential for division and conflict. These are broad, largely facile strokes being applied here, of course. Whether it's illusory or not, lives and livelihoods have been impacted/ended, and there's no end in sight to these outcomes. There'll be no substantive change, at least not in our lifetimes.

(...the question that may remain open is: what is the driver behind all this? Pure human folly, background manipulations by certain 'Handlers' - however disjointed or organized - or a combination of both? We'll continue to ponder and dedicate plenty of webspace towards exploring this further, won't we?)






*my content may not qualify as high-minded. To some, perhaps.
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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby Cordelia » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:25 pm

FourthBase » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:07 am wrote:You know what? Except for refreshing an old thread here and there, why don't I just keep everything I think to this thread. That way I'm not polluting the board with dissent. RocketMan et al. won't be bothered. I'll mind my own business in my little cabin, my insignificant little room. A voluntary exile to the corner, deserved or not, just because. I don't feel claustrophobic in a confined space. It feels liberating, actually. I feel like a peacock in a cage. Still putting on a better show than the pigeons!


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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:30 pm

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So according to this test, I really am, in fact, a normal American. Me, crazy [me] lol. But maybe what makes one normal, moves one to the dead center, isn't so much finding a true home in the middle, as it is about backing up as far as one fucking can from all the sides.
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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:34 pm

If I ever do become a popular commodity, some people are probably going to quotemine the living shit out of my life and try to cancel me. Which I actually look forward to.


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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:38 pm



Oh boy, I met the whole drama club today, and I can already sense the potential for drama someday, should the two really good actors catch wind of my scorching-hot political heresy, because they reek wokeness. But I've figured out how I want to explain myself to that crowd:

No, I'm not woke.
I'm even better.
I'm bespoke.

I encompass, and I eclipse.

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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:33 am

FourthBase » 25 Feb 2020 12:30 wrote:Image

So according to this test, I really am, in fact, a normal American. Me, crazy [me] lol. But maybe what makes one normal, moves one to the dead center, isn't so much finding a true home in the middle, as it is about backing up as far as one fucking can from all the sides.


If this were circular rather than squared, and the splits in ideology were represented as vectors radiating from the reasonable stereoscopic center to the radical fringe, rather than a grid of boxes, then I would place, like dividing up Roulette chips, most of myself in the center, again to get as far away from the edge as possible. But here and there around the circumference, mostly on the left half of the circle, I would also put some chips to represent my stakes. I am not, for example, in the middle when it comes to animal rights or 9/11 LIHOP speculation or free speech. So, a big circle, with vectors radiating from the center outward, anchored selectively around the rim with eccentric principles and taboo truths. It might look like this:

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Bespoked!

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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:29 am

It's just as wrong for a Christian fundie to assert all witchcraft is evil and there are no good witches, as it is for a wiccan to assert all witchcraft is harmless and there are no bad witches.

By harmless I don't mean supernatural efficacy of the spells or whatever. I mean the realness of killing a being in any mortal sacrifices, the realness of the impulse to have fun or gain strength by actually doing evil shit, the realness of the *belief* that something blackly magical is happening.

The practice of black magic sometimes leads to real evil in the pursuit of unreal powers, whether or not the pursuit is futile. Or not as a quest, but just to be evil, just because. Nihilists, or something.

There are more practitioners of black magic than the ethical wiccans would like to admit. There are not only Sarah Goods and Rebecca Nurses, there's also La Voisin. There are certainly some contemporary Voisins, the transgressive wing of the party. It's bad news.

But let me not forget the good news. There are also good witches. Witchcraft is not necessarily evil, and in a sense everybody already practices a form of it when they pray or knock on wood or eat a wafer. La Voisin, Medea, whoever from the Bible...they have antipodes. Not just good witches. The best. (Trump: "We have the BEST witches.")

Case in point, a male witch which the Puritans or Inquisitors would've tortured and executed, by the name of Jesus. He's great, I love him, and but so he's still essentially a Jewish witch. An alchemist, a spell-caster, medium, magician, astrologically special, revolutionary, a healer, a resurrector. That's a good witch! That's white magic. Your church, if you go to one is probably LOADED with sigils.

Moreover, Jesus asks you to ritualistically pretend you're drinking his blood and eating his dead body. That's some EDGY witch shit right there. You might've even met a goth person like that at a party once, right?

TLDR

There are bad witches.
There are good witches.

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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:33 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M

Cordelia » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:25 pm wrote:
FourthBase » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:07 am wrote:You know what? Except for refreshing an old thread here and there, why don't I just keep everything I think to this thread. That way I'm not polluting the board with dissent. RocketMan et al. won't be bothered. I'll mind my own business in my little cabin, my insignificant little room. A voluntary exile to the corner, deserved or not, just because. I don't feel claustrophobic in a confined space. It feels liberating, actually. I feel like a peacock in a cage. Still putting on a better show than the pigeons!


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Postby FourthBase » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:01 pm

:headphones: :cry: :clapping: :glasses: :partydance: :lol:

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Re: FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

Postby FourthBase » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:58 am

I defy anyone to find a more Leo-ier Leo than me. I might be the Leo-est Leo in the world. Numero uno out of 7 billion, divided by 12.

For example, I don't just want a gold star for overachieving and successfully impressing you. A few extra stars that don't even count wouldn't hurt, of course. Useless praise like that might be sufficiently gratuitous to please my Leo soul, sure.

But you know what would really put a smile on my face? Someone hand-trucking dozens of 30-pound boxes of gold stars into a room and piling them all up around me. (Only if I actually deserved it, naturally. No point otherwise.) Now that would a satisfying gesture. All the more so for being absolutely fucking ludicrous. Others might not get the joke at my expense that the boxes would also be. Wow, all those boxes. "They must really love him!", an observer might guess. "Actually, lol, he's the one who thought it up and coordinated it himself." :hrumph :partyhat

And would that not be the single most Leo thing ever? Actually: No, it wouldn't! Because this very Facebook post is the Leo-est fucking thing that a Leo-est Leo could ever do. Only a shamelessly megalomaniacal Leo would rehearse that kind of vainer-than-vain fantasy to begin with...let alone then go announce how he'll react to the future adulation and explain what criteria he'll be using to judge it, lmfao.

Bullseye. For real. There's something to it. I feel like living, breathing, self-congratulating proof that some percentage of some aspect of astrology is not bullshit.

Now, the tragedy in all this is that Leo-ness could be mistaken for mania. Which I'm susceptible to, for sure. (Only the best!) But as co-morbid as the conditions may be, I am definitely still a gigantic sufferer of Leo Syndrome, in ways that would persist even if I were consistently totally sane (or whatever people want to call the pathological consensus everyone submits to) and I might have still become the Leoest Leo of All Time, an appropriate title for a Leo to give himself, and all that may yet still be misinterpreted as manic symptoms, hilariously/depressingly. :lol: :(

Hilarious, because I think I could make a good case, in a courtroom, with scientific evidence, backed up by expert critics of scientism, that in some cases astrology is just as accurate and probably way healthier (socially and, defeating the purpose, psychologically) as a paradigm for understanding "madness" than the dominant psychiatric one. I know I'd much rather be sold a box of horoscope bullshit to explain my life and improve my attitudes than some literal box in a medicalizing prison cell, a literal box of pills to follow, for the rest of your natural life. And don't forget to stow away the lifetime stigma you'll now carry next to the pills, forever! And, if you defy the stigma, they might decide to lock you up again. Your crazy-ass word against their M.D. pedigree. With zero meaningful due process for you to challenge their opinion. All this, you get, for being better than them, essentially. They must get such a rush, right, controlling other human beings, pronouncing them beneath legal consideration, declaring them non-compliant with reason, which they are the supreme arbiters of? Is there a certification course on Good Reasoning in med school? The power, tho! Must be intoxicating sometimes. Ahem. Talk about self-medication. They at least must maintain a nice, persistent baseline of self-affirming, pseudo-altruistic pride in being "helpful", in being the Definition of Sane. "I'm sane", says the person who studied to be a scientist for 10-20 years...as she plays God after 5 minutes of contemplating a stranger. "I'm not insane, you're insane, says the nurse arguing for no good reason with a mental patient about the TV, or nearly misadministering-insulin someone to death. (True story, poor Richie.) "I am sane enough to be the lone, final authority on your sanity", says the constitutional-oath-swearing judge who condones the Les Vulnerables being railroaded into submission in jury-less proceedings obscenely stacked against the defendants-who-are-not-known-as-defendants, defendants who'd have way, way more opportunity to prove their innocence if they had "sanely" committed armed robbery. "This is fine", says whoever still thinks it's a good way of encouraging sanity to stick the merely-questionable in a locked ward with the batshit-crazy, to hang an albatross of permanent irrationality around the neck of the confused, to gaslight patients with white lies to calm them down. You try it. Get committed, despite not being nearly crazy enough to deserve it, and then try dealing with people telling you that you're hopelessly insane every day for three weeks, surrounded by genuine psychological disasters and physical dangers, locked in a confined space with them, every day, and when you complain about the conditions and protest that you're not insane, the doctor will just gently smirk and nod compassionately, and then speak around your concerns with happy hospital-speak horseshit, and then speak over you, if need be, and then strap you down and inject you with "medicine" against your will. That last part never happened to me thankfully, saw it happen, though...talk about a double-iatrogenic whammy. Not only will they force chemicals in you that damn well have side effects, they'll emotionally traumatize you in the process. Haha, just what you need! And they'll feel they're perfectly justified in doing it. See, it says so, on the paper in that frame on the wall in their office. A license to be a professional sadist. The biggest psychos, are the pros! They don't know what the fuck they're doing, at best, and they're just as deluded with grandiose role-playing as the bipolar flakes they're abusing. Playing strong daddy, kind mommy, the wise priest, the stern judge, the rational scientist, or God. Think they'd ever listen to feedback from the blue-gowned loons whose lives they're ruining? Hahahahaha!

All psych wards, in every case, need a consigliere, a red team, a devil's advocate, a patient's advocate. No one should ever lose their due process. Not enough money, I know, I know. Yet. Class action lawsuits have a surprising way of revealing how much money there really is, though.

As a Leo, the bullseyest Leo ever maybe, I have obviously visualized myself being applauded at various award ceremonies. In those visions, for the last 12 years, I've always been wearing a tuxedo made of hospital-johnnie blue fabric. Gonna have to custom-order a business suit of the same material, someday, fit for a courtroom, too, to wear as the plaintiff.

Whatever I win in a settlement, I'll set aside some of it to buy myself 500,000 gold stars. And I'll be generous with them, as a picture-perfect Leo should always be with his treasure.


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