ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House in Br

by **Dick Decent** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:57 am

Y'kno' I like having Bvo and people like her posting on this board. I think it gives a context and an 'auto-skeptic' opposite pole that we need here. It also provides an opportunity to understand in detail how, even an intellectual mind can be pretty much closed by it's own bias, in just the same way as intellect can be fogged by 'wanting to believe' Yin and Yang The pictures on the original site that sparked this thread are not evidence, they are fuzzy coloured blobs. ......BUT If YOU had SEEN and RECORDED them over YOUR OWN house, [Bvo, or any one of us] I have a sneaking suspicion [intuition] that you would probably NOT hold the same view about possible events and explanations. I saw what was [unmistakably] an 'other world' craft, in the summer of 1977 at the tender age of 17. It was about the size of a football field. Showing no lights and moving silently eastward at 50' above the treeline. I stopped my car on the highway, [as did many others] and got out to watch the thing majestically disappearing slowly, silently, blocking out a quarter of the brightly moonlit star resplendent night sky, until at roughly 1km distance, It briefly shone down to earth an extremely bright white searchlight type beam, whereupon it disappeared directly heavenward at an inestimably stupid speed. This thing was the size of a couple of large skyscrapers bolted together laying on their back, and it was GONE in less than a second. I have never personally witnessed anything else of particular note, but I'm happy to say, I have not lost my appetite for the search, nor for employing the most rigorous of intuition. An OPEN MIND is our only foil for the present, past and future weirdness we are all bound to experience. BTW, unless you believe a priori that Ms. Thorneycroft and her friends are out and out charlatans, and were from the start, [which could be true, -but would be a pretty biased view] it is quite difficult to comprehend the mechanism for transferring sleep paralysis images to a camcorder, with or without photoshop. Sleep tight Bvo DD x

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>This is the complete opposite of how I felt when I read "The Alchemist" by Paulo Cuelho, a book that opened me right up; I resonated deeply to the theme that the universe is an infinite intelligence and we are no less a miraculous aspect of it.<hr></blockquote> That is indeed a magnificient writing. ____________________ Wehret den Anfängen

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:02 pm

Yeah the alchemist is a good story. I find it hard to take whitley strieber seriously, although some of his fiction is interesting and explores some very RI related themes. Unholy Fire is particularly interesting in that context. I read the Wolfen when I was about 10 or 11, it was a bit intense for reading at that age. There is a book called An Experiment With Time by J W Dunne, that may be worth a read in this context. DD I like Bvon most of the time, but she pissed me off calling that tale fiction and fantasy. A lot of "sceptics" do that. Reminds me of the Inquisitions attitude to unorthodoxy. Attack it cos it challenges some rationalist worldview. That photo is strange tho cos as soon as I saw it it made me think of the sleep paralysis thing that happened early last week. I remember having an image in my head that although in a different spot, gave me exactly the same feeling as that photo. I am not that interested in proving things one way or another, but I am interested in following these threads, er .. strands and seeing where they lead. (Even if it ends up being round in circles.)

by **bvonahsen** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:53 am

Joe Hillshoist  <blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you are referring to my story go and get fucked.<hr></blockquote> Gee, thanks. Same to you. But I'm sure you understand why I don't believe you. You're a drug addict and you had a flash back. And yet you presume to lecture me about reality? I'm sure there is a NA meeting in your area, let me know when you get your 1 year sobriety medallion and I just might take you seriously. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>A Its not fiction, its the event to the best of my recollection, over 9 years later. I know all about the weakness of recall and reconstructing events, but that is essentially what happened, based on what I wrote years ago.<hr></blockquote> You left out the part where you are a drug addict and had been regularly abusing drugs for some time. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>B The only conclusions I am drawing from it are that my father gave me great advice for what is either nocturnal predation from an external non physical source, or some weird but completely natural internal dream event.<hr></blockquote> Oh! Oh!, (raises hand) I can think of one! You had a flashback. I'm sorry that someone fucked you over so bad that you feel a need to self medicate. That really sucks. But that is no excuse for you to tell me what is or isn't real. You need treatment, and until you get your self into a program (and graduate) your claims are worthless. Sorry, but that is how this world works. Deal, or not, it's your choice.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:49 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm sure there is a NA meeting in your area, let me know when you get your 1 year sobriety medallion and I just might take you seriously.<hr></blockquote> I'm getting really fucking sick of your conflicted, self-loathing toxin contaminating this board. It's not Joe's fault you're wedged under the heel of reality and elect to permit it to scrape you off the curb like a misstep into a pile of dog feces. This is Jeff's board and his word is law, but if I had an ounce of power here one would have to grab a shovel and break a sweat to locate a single trace of your remains here. You go beyond a utilitarian role as a Failsafe/Devil's Advocate on this board and stand instead as one who vilifies others when your usual dose of venom doesn't dispatch them immediately. I voice myself strongly as one who wants you gone from here for good. ____________________ Wehret den Anfängen

by **Sepka** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:29 am

I could wish for more politeness all around. There's a strong tendency among some posters here to mock those views which differ from their own, rather than to discuss their faults and merits like rational people. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **bvonahsen** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:59 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm getting really fucking sick of your conflicted, self-loathing toxin contaminating this board. It's not Joe's fault you're wedged under the heel of reality and elect to permit it to scrape you off the curb like a misstep into a pile of dog feces. This is Jeff's board and his word is law, but if I had an ounce of power here one would have to grab a shovel and break a sweat to locate a single trace of your remains here.<hr></blockquote> Here is how I see this: This thread is about someone who had an experience that is called sleep paralysis or a waking dream, a sort of half awake, half asleep state in which dream like imagery can intrude into consciousness. I explained that this is in fact a well known phenomenon and made specific claims. I also provided references to the current scientific literature in my argument. Joe made a counter claim and referred me and everyone else to his own account of a drug induced hallucination, a flashback (Some drugs remain in your system a long time). He gave this information willingly, no one forced him to. I did not dig it up on my own. It's his argument and his choice to use it as evidence for his claim. Not mine. I don't give a hoot that he is a drug user. I simply feel that it isn't a good argument to make. I strongly object and do not believe that the experiences of a drug user, especially with regards to what is or isn't a fact, should have any kind of weight in this debate. I live in a place that is specifically for those who were homeless and on the street as I have been. Many of the people here, not me however, are in recovery from drug and alcohol abuse. You will get no sympathy from me for a, as far as I know, unreformed drug addict lecturing me about reality. Any shame, embarrassment or humiliation are not from me, that's your guilty conscious talking. Such feelings are flags that are trying to tell you something. Take your own inventory, get to a NA meeting and get your butt clean and sober. Or not. If anyone feels that using drugs or that such experiences are valid evidence well then by all means make that argument and be proud of it.  But don't then suddenly realize you are ashamed of yourself or your behavior and try to blame the messenger. That's just part of the disease and you know it.

by **Dick Decent** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm

At the risk of repeating myself I shall paraphrase; The pictures on the original site that sparked this thread are not evidence, they are fuzzy coloured blobs. ......BUT If YOU had SEEN and RECORDED them over YOUR OWN house, [Bvo, or any one of us] I have a sneaking suspicion [intuition] that you would probably NOT hold the same view about possible events and explanations. Unless you believe a priori that Ms. Thorneycroft and her friends are out and out charlatans, and were from the start, [which could be true, -but would be a pretty biased starting point] it is quite difficult to comprehend the mechanism for transferring sleep paralysis images to a camcorder, with or without photoshop. to sum up BVO If she's a charlatan just out for money then a sleep paralysis explanation is unnecessary. [and wrong] If she's not, then how did the images get on the camcorder?? p.s. let's please try not to slag each other off children, there is room for all opinion. DD x Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dickdecent>Dick Decent</A> at: 10/26/06 2:27 pm

by **Dick Decent** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:52 pm

I appreciate your feelings Joe and Et but would urge you to remain calm. I do think that a closed minded attitude towards the exploration of reality/consciousness via the use of psycho-active drugs, was BOUND to be manifested by the pure and sober Miss B. and should have been easily anticipated. Even if these tools have been used down the aeons by brave souls of all creeds. I'm just wondering what advice on NA meetings the sublime Miss B may have offered to Tim Leary, Terry Mackenna, or for that matter one A. Crowley. It's enough for me to chuckle quietly to myself imagining their replies. As a matter of pedantry, doesn't being a non-user preclude one from proferring such remarks as 'oh, it was just a flashback'... Bvo, Bvo, How would you know? -also, while I'm here, being somewhat still confused as to your actual position, despite many words and lots of flaming advice, I'd LOVE a straight reply to my previous post stay friendly now y'all DD x

by **professorpan** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:12 pm

Bvo, you are out of your league when discussing psychedelic drugs. "Flashbacks" as popularly portrayed are exceedingly rare, and go by the scientific name post-hallucinogen perception disorder. And for you to diagnose someone as a drug abuser from behind your computer screen is just asinine. I'm all for skeptical viewpoints -- hell, I've been accused of being a "serial skeptic" on this board -- but there's no need for ad hominem assaults on anyone's integrity.

by **bvonahsen** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>p.s. let's please try not to slag each other off children, there is room for all opinion.<hr></blockquote> It's pretty clear that there isn't room for mine.

by **professorpan** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:41 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>It's pretty clear that there isn't room for mine.<hr></blockquote> There's plenty of room for everyone's opinion. Jeff's rules are clear and fair.

by **Dick Decent** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:42 pm

On the contrary Bvo, My last posting was a direct invitation to re-express that [somewhat confused] opinion with brevity and a modicum of calm clarity. It saddens, tho' doesn't surprise me that you chose not to respond. All opinions are valid and worthy on this board. That's why we post here, and not elsewhere. Love and Peace DD x

by **KeenInsight** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:37 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>It's almost impossible today, and certainly impossible for me, to assess the value of contemporary images of weird phenomena. But the "flying humanoid" business is a curious recent development (or maybe, not recent?), and seemingly widely distributed. There are one or two threads in the "High Weirdness" archive about it.<hr></blockquote> Speaking of flying humanoids, click <a href="http://paranormal.about.com/cs/humanenigmas/a/aa082503.htm">here</a> for a short assortment of stories.

by **Cosmic Cowbell** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:53 pm

Thought I'd post this up. Three minutes or so of video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7345100694391018265&q=ET+Grey+caught+on+film&hl=en

Not sure if it's possible for some of you to rule out "Christmas Tree Lights" just yet, but in my mind that hypothesis is now somewhat diminished.

~C

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