Coming Soon - War with Iran?

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:12 pm

MacCruiskeen » 03 Jan 2020 13:14 wrote:Heard a brief forelock-tugging interview on BBC World radio with the US envoy to Iraq, some infant named Brian Hook. In less than two minutes this little boy managed at least ten incantations of the magic words "AMERICAN LIVES" before concluding with a solemn assurance that the Iranian general they had just torn to pieces without warning was "the worst BAD GUY in the whole region".

Master Hook made no mention of the dismembered Iraqi who had been accompanying this eviscerated former Bad Guy, but presumably that expendable former Iraqi had been a Bad Guy too, by definition, not having been an American Life.

Anyway, call it statecraft, because the USA has just managed to alienate and infuriate Iran and Iraq simultaneously. Whose wish was that? Who insisted on making it come true? Why? And, above all, cui bono, exactly? I am almost completely half afraid to wonder aloud.


I'll say it aloud for you:

JEWS.

I skimmed this whole thread and I was reminded how the tinfoil left is almost as fucking diseased with antisemitism as the tinfoil right, just smarter about it. Is it possible that Jewish billionaires and Mossad blackmailers have US politicians by the balls and are steering them toward war? Sure! That could definitely be a part of it, a big part. You people are never not certain of it, though. Is it antisemitic to criticize Israel? Of course not! In theory. In practice? You motherfuckers take the side of Israel ZERO percent of the time and you take the side of their religious-fascist Muslim adversaries ONE HUNDRED percent of the time. Because the Muslims are anti-American like you, or less capitalistic, or browner, or whatever makes you feel woke. If only the Israeli Jews were still sponsored by the Communists and a little darker than Muslims, maybe you guys would think less like a racist fucking hivemind.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:13 pm

Harvey » 03 Jan 2020 13:15 wrote:
FourthBase » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:54 pm wrote:
Harvey » 03 Jan 2020 10:44 wrote:
FourthBase » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:43 pm wrote:Definitely afraid of this triggering WWIII.

On the other hand, Suleimani was a world-class piece of shit and Iran is ruled by psychotic right wing extremists. Hope nobody sympathizes with them just because they're anti-Israel and anti-American-hegemony.


That's your MSM talking. He's one of the genuine heroes in the fight against Jihadism.


Soleimani is a hero?
Hezbollah and Hamas aren't jihadists?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Lemme guess, you think you're not epistemically captive to "alt news" propaganda. What's talking through you, then, Harvey? A magical stream of purely objective information the universe has blessed you with?


I think you may have proved my point for me.


Spell it out, chief.

Hezbollah and Hamas are NOT JIHADISTS?

Is that what you're saying?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:24 pm

Oh yes, 2020 is definitely going to be the year of crystal clear vision.
For everyone concerned.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:01 pm

Marveloush. Shimply marvelloush.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Sounder » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:08 pm

Israel is the creation of the British deep state. Iran endured the US puppet until they could no more.

Sadly, US is still not able to pack it up and go home.

US and Israel kill gratuitously for the intimidation factor. That has its limits.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Harvey » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:08 am

Difficult to discuss with a hasbara riddled mind. And calling anti-Semitism as the first resort is either a desperate plee to remain ignorant, or a clear indication of bad faith argument.

Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni:

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:56 am

Harvey » 04 Jan 2020 05:08 wrote:Difficult to discuss with a hasbara riddled mind. And calling anti-Semitism as the first resort is either a desperate plee to remain ignorant, or a clear indication of bad faith argument.

Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni:



I'm not interested in arguing about whether you folks in this thread are infected by antisemitism. You are. You'll say you're not. Blah blah blah. I just needed to get it off my chest.

But so, again, at least answer that question, which should not be contentious, because it's a simple matter of fact.

ARE HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS NOT JIHADISTS?

This is the part where I expect you to say "Hezbollah and Hamas are not jihadists." And if you're gracious, maybe include a link that attempts to explain why. But then, you can't really do that, can you? Why?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby RocketMan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:06 am



FourthBase, does this answer your question re: expansionist, power-hungry, belligerent Iranian strategists?

It is not a question of evil or good, it is the 1,000 US bases around the world in addition to JSOC operating in every fucking nook and cranny of the world. It is you with the Manichean world view, minimizing US belligerence and aggression and blowing up jihadist/Russian/Chinese expansionism.

Do you honestly believe Russia and China, or for that matter Iran IN FOREIGN POLICY (repressive and authoritarian regimes at home) act anywhere NEAR in as high-handed fashion as the Ugly/Quiet Americans of the world, walking into every goddamn country like they own them without even bothering to look up the basics of their languages and cultures? Sending their brainwashed, uneducated youth to learn chauvinism and xenophobic superiority, to (often drunkenly or on drugs) kill, maim and rape the local populace.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:31 am

RocketMan » 04 Jan 2020 07:06 wrote:


FourthBase, does this answer your question re: expansionist, power-hungry, belligerent Iranian strategists?

It is not a question of evil or good, it is the 1,000 US bases around the world in addition to JSOC operating in every fucking nook and cranny of the world. It is you with the Manichean world view, minimizing US belligerence and aggression and blowing up jihadist/Russian/Chinese expansionism.

Do you honestly believe Russia and China, or for that matter Iran IN FOREIGN POLICY (repressive and authoritarian regimes at home) act anywhere NEAR in as high-handed fashion as the Ugly/Quiet Americans of the world, walking into every goddamn country like they own them without even bothering to look up the basics of their languages and cultures? Sending their brainwashed, uneducated youth to learn chauvinism and xenophobic superiority, to (often drunkenly or on drugs) kill, maim and rape the local populace.


That ring of bases surrounding Iran looks like how it would look if the military were controlled by expansionist Israelis hoping to eliminate competition and petroleum profiteers planning on invading Iran to capture the most vital square on the global chessboard, sure. It also looks just like how it would look if Iran were a fundamentalist far-right theocracy ruled by fanatics who cannot possibly be allowed to develop nukes because they would totally fucking annihilate Israel the first chance they get like they've been telegraphing the last 40 years so they have to be encircled with a potential invasion just in case.

See, I guess I'm not like the rest of you. I mean, I'm well aware of how evil the US military can be. But do I see US military dominance around the world as inherently evil? NOPE. I'm quite pleased about it, actually. It is fair? Nope. Tough shit. You want some other nation or alliance to have global dominance? Nope. Fuck you.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Sounder » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:39 am

cogent observation from RocketMan;
Sending their brainwashed, uneducated youth to learn chauvinism and xenophobic superiority, to (often drunkenly or on drugs) kill, maim and rape the local populace.


The thing that FourthBase must ignore is the Shia/Sunni rift where the US and Israel facilitate head-chopper Wahhabi's to reek havoc on fellow Muslims.

The levels of deceit required to support this warmongering is off the charts, so hopefully it's due for a crash.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:55 am

FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:31 am wrote: US military dominance around the world


How very nicely cleaned up that phrase must be for you and how very brave of you to to advocate for it here. I guess we just conjure up different pictures and statistics for what US military dominance around the world really is.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Grizzly » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:34 am

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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:43 am

Sounder » 04 Jan 2020 08:39 wrote:cogent observation from RocketMan;
Sending their brainwashed, uneducated youth to learn chauvinism and xenophobic superiority, to (often drunkenly or on drugs) kill, maim and rape the local populace.


The thing that FourthBase must ignore is the Shia/Sunni rift where the US and Israel facilitate head-chopper Wahhabi's to reek havoc on fellow Muslims.

The levels of deceit required to support this warmongering is off the charts, so hopefully it's due for a crash.


The US and Israel do seem to have the Saudi royals mostly under control. Would you be happier if Arabia were controlled by a non-Western-puppet, by a "democratic" regime of uncontrolled Wahhabi fanatics? Do you think those head-choppers wouldn't exist if it weren't for the US and Israel? I mean, I wouldn't be totally surprised if ISIS or Al Qaeda were CIA/Mossad creations, but how about the thousand other violent Islamist organizations that would've taken their place? Also invented by the West, all of them?

Anyway, I didn't say the US and Israel weren't making any sinister bargains. I didn't say people here are wrong to suspect malevolent schemes. I said you motherfuckers only suspect the Jews of Israel of malevolence while you treat the pieces of shit ruling Iran like innocent victims and (puke) heroes. You are looking at the world with one eye, through an America-and-Israel-are-pure-evil lens, while the other eye is covered by an opaque America-and-Israel's-enemies-are-cool eyepatch.

I'll ask you, since the cat got Harvey's tongue:

Are Hezbollah and Hamas jihadists?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:01 am

brainpanhandler » 04 Jan 2020 08:55 wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:31 am wrote: US military dominance around the world


How very nicely cleaned up that phrase must be for you and how very brave of you to to advocate for it here. I guess we just conjure up different pictures and statistics for what US military dominance around the world really is.


I ain't advocating shit. I have zero expectation of changing any of your minds. I'm just mostly gloating, frankly. You fools seem to prefer that some other national or international force would possess global military dominance instead. Too bad. Never gonna happen. Although I wish you could glimpse that hypothetical world just for a minute, so that you'd realize how much worse those pictures and statistics would be.

Do I like war? No. Do I want US military strategy to not be influenced by things like oil profits and weapons manufacturer profits and Mossad blackmail? Absolutely. Do I want to see innocent wedding parties bombed? Of course not. Am I concerned that innocent people died in the Soleimani strike? Yep. Do I give a nanogram of a shit that Soleimani died? Nope, not really. Only to the extent that it might motivate Iran to do something stupid. Otherwise, fuck him.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby thrulookingglass » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:01 pm

If you/we do not advocate for grace for the least of us, where will we find any for our own? Non-violence is the path to peace. This was done as a distraction from the impeachment much as Reagan and Grenada. US citizens contact your elected officials and let them know you do not want war with Iran. The USA is the culprit here not Iran. CIA blowback! ‘Nuff said!
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