Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[MacCruiskeen]

the exoneration of Mateen

Of course I never "exonerated" him. I just demanded, and am still demanding, to see any evidence against him that goes beyond insinuation and posthumous character assassination and completely unverifiable claims from either the cops or anonymous "sources". (I hope people would do the same for you, for me, or for anyone.) There is no such evidence, as of now. And his corpse will never stand trial.

And the FBI did indeed attempt to entrap him. This has been admitted.

-- Is his wife Noor still being grilled by the FBI, by the way? Or has she really "disappeared", as some reports suggest? We have still heard not one word from her in public. Will we ever?

[MacCruiskeen]

Thanks, Nordic.

The case against Omar Mateen (deceased) is non-existent., so far. All we know is that he, along with 49 other customers, was shot dead in the club.

Meanwhile, we do have large and growing evidence of a police cover-up.

[Nordic]

I'd call him a person of interest. I mean, he apparently was the guy who bought the guns, ammo, and body armor whose actions and attitude bothered the gun shop owners sufficiently to where they called the FBI. The FBI did, it appears, have him on their official "Patsy" list and considered goading him into making an attack. There's the father connection, the Wackenhut connection etc. He may just be an official dead patsy. Or maybe he's guilty. But yeah there's no real evidence he was "The Shooter" that WE are privy to at least, and I personally am disturbed at how people are so quick to accept that he was, and to have it cemented into their minds.

I mean, 9/11 hijackers, the stuff left behind in Atta's car, the miraculously appearing (and undamaged) passport, Lee Harvey Oswald apparently having an imposter go to Mexico to implicate his presence there, and yes, the still-mystifying and clearly bogus San Bernadino incident -- where I, like you, believe that poor couple were completely innocent and unwittingly set up and executed without having a clue!

Yeah the burden of proof is on them and I agree the bar should be set high. Why believe anything they tell us? Did anyone even see Mateen's body? The stories of his demise seem as sketchy and vague as the other parts of the story. Where's his body? Buried at sea so as not to upset the Muslim community?

[MacCruiskeen]

The murder and posthumous frame-up of that couple in San Bernardino was the most sickening and obvious fraud I have ever seen (even worse than Boston). That's why I still link, in my sig-line, to (a small part of) the copious proof that the public was fed a bunch of lies.

Here's the thing: They certainly didn't do it, but somebody (somebodies) did.

And those somebodies are still on the loose and still protected by The Authorities.

[Nordic]

The murder and posthumous frame-up of that couple in San Bernardino was the most sickening and obvious fraud I have ever seen (even worse than Boston). That's why I still link, in my sig-line, to (a small part of) the copious proof that the public was fed a bunch of lies.

Here's the thing: They certainly didn't do it, but somebody (somebodies) did.

And those somebodies are still on the loose and still protected by The Authorities.

Agreed.

[MacCruiskeen]

This is what the terrified refusal to challenge the 9/11 farrago has brought us to. The Authorities can do and say whatever they like now. They know that no one will dare to question their word.

[Karmamatterz]

Someone tell me why we should believe ANY ASPECT of the story fed to us. Other than somebody shot a bunch of people in a crowded nightclub in Orlando?

It would seem possible that some obvious things probably are true. Pulling off an entirely fake scenario like this isn't necessary, there needs to be a level of believe ability. What's important is that the waters are muddied enough so NOBODY can figure things out and the need for concrete evidence is removed.

For all we know it was practice for larger events to come or a nice sweet honeypot to track people who analyze and question the MSM story.

So line up who benefits from this. What is to gain by this event?

Just saying that it was for an enlarged police state doesn't lend itself to much, unless of course the benefits of such murder are hidden . Any chance there is an occult aspect to this?

[MacCruiskeen]

"Asked about security footage at a briefing earlier, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said it was uncertain as to whether it existed or what it showed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... spiracies/

"Uncertain"! He doesn't know whether it even exists! (Has he not asked?) He's only the Orlando Police Chief. He is finding it difficult to follow the script.

Who can blame him for his confusion? They're making it up as they go along. (That footage must be in the sweaty hands of the Feds, or in an incinerator already.)

Look at the state of this yarn. Is it any wonder the Washington Post is already hurrying to stamp out "conspiracy theories"?

[Burnt Hill]

The murder and posthumous frame-up of that couple in San Bernardino was the most sickening and obvious fraud I have ever seen (even worse than Boston). That's why I still link, in my sig-line, to (a small part of) the copious proof that the public was fed a bunch of lies.

Here's the thing: They certainly didn't do it, but somebody (somebodies) did.

And those somebodies are still on the loose and still protected by The Authorities.

Agreed.

Yes but all this depends on a certain amount of belief in what the media has fed you,
and your level of cynicism in the events you think you have seen.
With the absolute distrust of media than how can one accept that it was their bodies on the street and in the car, With this belief system it is just as possible the real couple was whisked away and lived happily ever after having played their part. Or that they never really existed at all.
I guess what I am getting at is that there must be a certain amount of belief in the media and certain journalists and human beings to form a fair opinion. Blah, I am getting tired,. Peace.

[Burnt Hill]

"Asked about security footage at a briefing earlier, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said it was uncertain as to whether it existed or what it showed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... spiracies/

"Uncertain"! He doesn't know whether it even exists! (Has he not asked?) He's only the Orlando Police Chief. He is finding it difficult to follow the script.

And no wonder. They're making it up as they go along. (That footage must be in the sweaty hands of the Feds, or in an incinerator already.)

Look at the state of this yarn. Is it any wonder the Washington Post is already hurrying to stamp out "conspiracy theories"?

Don't you think he is being intentionally obtuse because the video may implicate LEOs in some deaths?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Any chance there is an occult aspect to this?

Always, and of course.

[MacCruiskeen]

Don't you think he is being intentionally obtuse because the video may implicate LEOs in some deaths?

Of course I do. And not just because of that. (How many shooters does the video show? What do they look like?)

God damn. He is not just "being intentionally obtuse", he is obviously lying his head off. Video footage from the club is the very first evidence the cops would have collected after the massacre.

The lies are shameless. The cover-up is blatant.

[Burnt Hill]

Well you said he was having difficulty following the script, where I thought he followed it perfectly, though my thinking is that it was to protect LEO from any "mistakes" they made-killing someone.
Not necessarily to protect the "false flag perpetrators".
Somewhere I read the footage showed a shooter mowing people down.
Sorry I have no link, but it appears it does exist and someone has viewed it and commented as such.
Its out there.

[FourthBase]

Someone tell me why we should believe ANY ASPECT of the story fed to us.

Because to not do so is the road to fucking madness, nihilism. "Someone tell me why we should believe ANY ASPECT of any story fed to us." That is the corollary.

[Burnt Hill]

And the FBI says it has the tapes and is reviewing them. The Police chief hasn't seen them yet and is protecting his men.

http://www.wftv.com/news/trending-now/fbi-poring-over-security-footage-from-pulse-nightclub-shooting/350563877