Huge explosion in Oslo

[vanlose kid]

If the wiki link page on the Delta team is accurate - they had (2) RIBS...both with 3 engines @ 675 HP. Those are big boats...

yeah but where do they have them? in Oslo? that's where they're based right? are we sure the boats are there? how do they get them to Utoya?

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ut%C3%B8y ... .96875&z=9

by truck or chopper?

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[barracuda]

RHIB's are usually trailer-towed, but their multi-chamber redundant design requires significant time allowances for inflation. Ya gotta blow 'em up first.

[vanlose kid]

RHIB's are usually trailer-towed, but their multi-chamber redundant design requires significant time allowances for inflation.

they should've waited, obviously. instead of just hauling hind to Utoya and grabbing hold of the best of whatever's available. i mean look at what they commandeered.



now they went too fast.

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[barracuda]

Looks to me like a bunch of small fishing boats.

[Laodicean]

[vanlose kid]

here's a shot of the ferry.



have to admit it does have that Normandy production value to it. Saving Private Ryan and all that. maybe in the hollywood version.

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[stickdog99]

Use your head. What kind of moron times a car bomb to go off two minutes after he's planted it?

I don't think it would be strange to stick around to make sure your bomb was not discovered before embarking on phase II of your plan. In any case, the point is that the guy had ample time to get from point A to point B in 97 minutes and he took the ferry.

[Harvey]

here's a shot of the ferry.



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Looks like the Ferry wasn't there earlier though, and in the other aerial shot of the same scene. It may well have been available since it should have arrived back by 17:20

[vanlose kid]

didn't say it was. don't think i'd have taken it though. too high on the water.

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[stickdog99]

We're not defending the cops either, we are pointing out your expectations of what they are capable of may not match reality.

Where do you want me to start with police stupidity or incompetence? Why is it that a bunch of clowns who generally can't find their arses with a handful of bogroll have suddenly become super soldiers?

Reading this thread I'm reminded of people who:

a/ whinge about potholes in the road.

b/ whinge about having to wait on the road at a stop/go sign while a pothole is fixed.

c/ then whinge about council rates or taxes to cover the cost of fixing the potholes.

So all of that is comparable to wondering why the fuck it took 78 minutes for the cops to arrive on the scene of the 60+ kids getting murdered? Again, I am not saying that anyone had to be in on it. What I am saying is that dicking around for 50 extra minutes while kids are getting shot is unconscionable. It doesn't take a fucking super soldier to arrive on the scene with 30 minutes. It takes a Domino's delivery driver.

[stickdog99]

"German journalist Ulrich Sahm reported on the pro-Israel Israelnetz.com website that many of the youths who survived the massacre said they thought the killer, dressed as a police officer, was simulating Israeli crimes against Palestinians in the occupied territories. They believed that "the cruelty of the Israeli occupation" was being demonstrated to them, Sahm wrote."

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2011/07/camp-play.html

Please tell me this isn't real.

[Harvey]

Oh, one other thing. Breivik was supposed to have arrived by car but I don't see one anywhere, just the van. Did anybody else see where he left it? On the ferry perhaps?

And did he change into the police uniform on the drive to the lake? After suspiciously leaving the car bomb. Because if he was dressed as police at that point, he probably wouldn't have appeared suspicious.

[Laodicean]

RHIB's are usually trailer-towed, but their multi-chamber redundant design requires significant time allowances for inflation. Ya gotta blow 'em up first.

Well...at least they'll be better prepared for future massacres due to their (what seems to be the consensus here) incompetence as a special forces unit...right guys?

NORWAY ORDERS NEW BOAT AIRDROP SYSTEM
LLANGEINOR, BRIDGEND, UK - 26 MAY, 2011
CATEGORY: Product

An aerial delivery system, developed by Airborne Systems, a world leader in parachute systems and related technology, for airdropping large rigid inflatable boats (RIB) and used for Special Forces, counter-terrorism and anti-piracy operations, has been selected by Norway.

The world-leading Maritime Craft Aerial Delivery System (MCADS) designed by Airborne Systems will enable Norway to airdrop its new rigid inflatable boat (RIB) from the C-130J. MCADS is the only airdrop system for large RIBs certified for use with the C-130 and C-17 and that is also compatible with the floor of the new Airbus A400M military transport aircraft, of which deliveries are due to begin in 2013.

An extractor parachute pulls the load from the aircraft and the boat and airdrop platform separate immediately after exit. The boat lands in the water ready for use and is generally followed by Special Forces parachutists who land near and board it for immediate operations. The platform can be prepared to float for recovery or to sink for covert operations.

MCADS was designed, developed and tested by Airborne Systems in response to US SOCOM operational requirements and has since been used by many Allied countries. Airborne Systems continues to manufacture and supply the US Special Forces with equipment and spares and to provide repairs and training.

A number of recent significant achievements for the Airborne Systems MCADS includes the delivery, last August, of new platforms for the UK Ministry of Defence. These will be used to airdrop RIBs of 6.5m to 8.5m in length from UK C-130J aircraft.In September 2010, a successful airdrop of a new Zodiac 7.5m RIB for the South African Special Forces resulted in the purchase of a number of PURIBAD platforms, and associated spares.

Now, under a £2.8m contract from the Norwegian Defence Logistics Organisation, Airborne Systems will manufacture and supply the complete airdrop system, which includes the airdrop platform PRIBAD 21, the parachutes and auxiliary aerial delivery equipment, aircraft certification, training and full through-life support.

Major Tore Ulriksen, Programme Manager with the Norwegian Air Force, said: “Airborne Systems was selected as a single source of supply with a commercial off-the-shelf solution because of proven quality and acceptable price. Airborne Systems had already carried out excellent work on a similar programme in 2009 with an airdrop platform for a 6.5m RIB.”

Chris Rowe, Managing Director of Airborne Systems Europe, commented:”This is a major contract for our Llangeinor facility and another significant endorsement of both our proprietary MCADS system, and the manufacturing industry in Wales and the UK. With the current increase in maritime piracy, a number of countries have shown an interest in having this MCADS capability.”

http://www.airborne-sys.com/pages/view/ ... rop-system

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Hey Cuda - can you find a source for those big fucking trailers that haul those monstrous boats? And the air compressor to inflate them? Thanks.

[vanlose kid]

^ ^

when do they get it?

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[stickdog99]

survivor at 0010: ... like many other people i thought it might be some kind of joke...

two survivors at 0300: ... we all thought it was a joke...

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Yes. all that screaming and dying and bloody gore stuff must have been very easy to mistake for a joke. And these are the sound bites we get from what must be much longer interviews. We are supposed to believe that it took 20 minutes and how many people shot to death before somebody decided to dial 911 even though the PM confirmed there was a "critical situation" going on but that he was fine within 11 minutes of when the shooting began? Does anyone here actually believe that?