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lightningBugout wrote:stickdog99 wrote:lightningBugout wrote:stickdog99 wrote:http://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=3918F0951BF760A23BFCAEE930FADADD
Adverse H1N1 Vaccine Effects Self-Reported So Far
3 Deaths
7 Life Threatening Events
12 Hospitalizations
204 Emergency Room visits
667 Not Serious
893 total adverse events reported so far vs. no documented benefit
There have been over 10,000,000 doses given in the states alone. The people who died almost certainly died from anaphylactic shock reactions due to the egg protein in the vaccine.
And of these 10 million people, how many benefited how much by not getting the H1N1 they may or may not have contracted without the shot? Isn't that number completely unknown?
This is the trouble with current vaccination "studies" (of which none at all were run for the new H1N1 vaccines). You need to do a blind, longitudinal placebo controlled trial of thousands of subjects to scientifically demonstrate that the medical benefits of these vaccines definitely outweigh their risks. But since this is assumed to be the case without any scientific proof, any such studies are deemed unethical and irresponsible.
Neither of us have any way to know that. The point being, even if you wholly believed the vaccine was a good thing, the numbers would stand. And these numbers actually support the case that the vaccine is statistically exceptionally safe. Chances are that some of the people who died from the vaccine would have died from anaphylaxis anyways.
stickdog99 wrote:What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Medicines are given to sick people.
Vaccines are the only substances we are advised to inject into our healthy bodies on the off-chance that they might protect a small percentage of us from potential future illness.
Of all vaccinations, flu vaccinations offer the most temporally limited protection against a seasonally mutating target illness that would almost certainly at worst sicken us for a few days (while conferring a measure of natural resistance).
lightningBugout wrote:Ever heard of Polio or Smallpox?
23 wrote:lightningBugout wrote:Ever heard of Polio or Smallpox?
I have. And so have some children in Nigeria:
Polio Outbreak from Mutated Vaccine Virus
http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/eu ... /1320-1320
Ironic, isn't it?
If you're vaccinated, you pose a danger to the nonvaccinated.
Ironic indeed.
If you're vaccinated with a live virus, I'd appreciate a little distance between us, please.
Thanks in advance.
lightningBugout wrote:23 wrote:lightningBugout wrote:Ever heard of Polio or Smallpox?
I have. And so have some children in Nigeria:
Polio Outbreak from Mutated Vaccine Virus
http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/eu ... /1320-1320
Ironic, isn't it?
If you're vaccinated, you pose a danger to the nonvaccinated.
Ironic indeed.
If you're vaccinated with a live virus, I'd appreciate a little distance between us, please.
Thanks in advance.
I see. Is that intended to be a slam-dunk against the entire history of vaccination programs? Even allopathic medicine itself maybe?
lightningBugout wrote:Hardly. Take psychotropics which reciprocally create their own individual diseases. And if someone is living a lifestyle that makes them diseased and you give them "medicine" to assuage the symptoms, that's hardly a clear cut case of "medicine" for sick people.
lightningBugout wrote:Weasel words. You're generalizing so broadly that its scarcely worth responding.
lightningBugout wrote:Simply not true. Yes, for *most* people with *most* flus it is very likely their illness will be minimal. But you seem to be taking personal offense to the fact that some people, who are prone to get much sicker than others, might benefit from the flu shot. Where were you raising a stink last year this time when flu shots were prescribed for people over 65?
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