Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

[Col. Quisp]

What does this have to do with Jimmy Savile?

[cptmarginal]

Since I don't remember that part from the "Archonology" series, it seems it's time to reread the whole thing.

What does this have to do with Jimmy Savile?

Just some other considerations about the new abuse inquiry, which probably would never have even been started if it weren't for the Savile story breaking open after his death. But you're right, it probably belongs in the P.I.E. thread further down the page or elsewhere. Oh well, no big deal.

I listened to this the other day; Louis brings up the episode he did with Savile:



Louis Theroux has to be aware of how alarming some of the things that happened in that "When Louis Met Jimmy" episode were - the implications of what was said. I just wish he had bothered to explain any of that on this popular podcast, it might have generated a lot of interest. Instead he just mentions the knighthood and moves on.

I must have watched "When Louis Met Jimmy" dozens of times back when this thread was started. It still blows me away.

"Why do you call it the altar? Is it because that's where you sacrifice people?" Slam dunk!

[Col. Quisp]

I wasn't being critical although it looks that way, sorry! I was just wondering what the connection was...

[coffin_dodger]

Revealed: New boss of investigation into VIP child abuse claims is linked to Leon Brittan: The Mail On Sunday exposes family friendship of SECOND inquiry chief with the ex-MP accused of abuse file cover-up Tuesday, Sep 9th 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746370/Revealed-New-boss-investigation-VIP-child-abuse-claims-linked-Leon-Brittan-The-Mail-On-Sunday-exposes-family-friendship-SECOND-inquiry-chief-ex-MP-accused-abuse-file-cover-up.html#ixzz3CnmQtayS

[seemslikeadream]

but they did track down with international zeal those evil child abusing parents in Spain and arrest them...right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pital.html

[coffin_dodger]

Yeah - I was doubtful at quoting the DM as a source. Wrist considered slapped - won't do again!

[seemslikeadream]

oh I wasn't commenting on the source ...I was commenting on the zeal of the UK as to what child abusers to go after

far be it for me to comment on sources

[cptmarginal]

I wasn't being critical although it looks that way, sorry! I was just wondering what the connection was...

On further reflection it does occur to me that Savile, or at least his charity activities, likely do have a sordid connection to the world of high finance. One does wonder about things like this:

Jimmy Savile Stoke Mandeville Hospital Trust

[...]

BANKERS:
Coutts & Co
440 The Strand
WC2R OQS

Pretty sure that's the first I've heard of a link between him and Coutts, which would actually make sense...

Queen's banker fined for poor money laundering checks

FSA fines Coutts over 'unacceptable risk' it could have been handling proceeds of crime from 'politically exposed persons'

Jill Treanor - The Guardian, Monday 26 March 2012

Coutts, banker to the Queen, has been given the biggest ever fine – £8.75m – for breaches of money-laundering rules after three years of "serious" and "systemic" problems in handling the affairs of customers vulnerable to corruption because of their political links.

The fine on the bank, the private banking division of Royal Bank of Scotland, takes the total penalties levied by the City regulator against the bailed-out institution to £25m in the last 19 months.

The FSA fined Coutts because there was an "unacceptable risk" that the bank could have been handling the proceeds of crime for a three-year period up to November 2010 after failing to deal properly with customers classified as "politically exposed persons".

These so-called PEPs are defined as "an individual who is or has, at any time in the preceding year, been entrusted with a prominent public function" or a family member of such a person holding a position outside the UK or in a European Community or established international institution.

Jimmy Savile qualifies as a "politically exposed person" by my standards, but I don't know about these idiots. Lauded and given respect by some of the most important people in the world precisely because of his charity millions - it makes me curious about all the money.

I see that RBS has been selling off their Coutts assets recently. I wonder if Savile had any accounts with this particularly dubious Jersey branch that handles their off-shore accounts:

Coutts in Jersey not part of international sell-off - 12 August 2014



http://international.coutts.com/en/loca ... l-islands/

Coutts Channel Islands is based in Jersey and Guernsey - two of the world's leading offshore financial centres. We provide global wealth management solutions for local and international clients.

Our clients are either Channel Islands residents or those whose residency abroad or UK non-domiciled status means that they can benefit from having their finances managed offshore.

[cptmarginal]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peter ... my-savile/

The BBC Trust still has a lot of questions to answer about Jimmy Savile

By Peter Oborne

Last updated: September 5th, 2014

The appointment of Rona Fairhead as Chair of the BBC Trust has been widely welcomed after the moral squalor of the Chris Patten years. If Rona Fairhead is to present a genuine contrast to the compromise and lack of accountability tolerated by Chris Patten, she needs to get to grips with the appalling legacy of her immediate predecessor.

Top of the list is Jimmy Savile. The monster may be dead, but a culture of silence persists within the BBC, in particular about which senior managers knew what and who authorised which action.

Public trust in this great public institution that plays such a central role in our common culture can never be restored until this issue is resolved. Only Rona Fairhead has the authority to do it. Hence the importance of a superb – but very troubling – article in this month's Oldie magazine by Miles Goslett, the courageous freelance investigative journalist who did so much to help uncover Savile’s scandal in the first place.

Mr Goslett deals primarily with the so called independent inquiry chaired by Nick Pollard, the ex-Sky News boss, at a cost of £3 million, into the BBC’s handling of the Savile scandal. If Mr Goslett is to be believed, the Pollard investigation contained disturbing elements of a cover-up. In the light of his article, Rona Fairhead urgently needs to deal with the following questions which the departing Chris Patten never bothered to investigate, let alone to answer.

1) Why did Nick Pollard fail to identify which BBC executive decided to axe the Newsnight investigation into Savile?

2) Having interviewed Mark Thompson, the former BBC Director General, why did Pollard clear Thompson unequivocally of having any knowledge of any allegation against Savile, during the eight years he ran the BBC?

3) Why did Pollard's inquiry ignore a letter written to him by the lawyer for Helen Boaden, then Director of BBC News, asserting that she had personally informed Thompson of Newsnight’s Savile investigation and its contents shortly before Christmas 2011? This information was utterly crucial. If Boaden was speaking the truth, then Mark Thompson permitted the BBC to air its notorious tribute to Savile even though he knew that two Newsnight journalists had heard claims about this abuse.

4) Why was no mention at all of the Boaden conversation in the Pollard report? Why did he write that he had “no reason” to disbelieve Thompon’s pleas of ignorance?

5) If the BBC trust believes that Helen Boaden’s testimony is utterly worthless, and that she is an unreliable witness, why is she now head of BBC radio and paid an extraordinary £350,000 a year? As Goslett points out in his beautifully forensic investigation, the BBC Trust is siding with Mark Thompson and therefore rejecting Boaden’s account.

Shamefully, Chris Patten never got to the bottom of these questions. Ms Fairhead will deserve only to be taken seriously as new Chairman of the BBC if she remedies the negligence of her disastrous predecessor.

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Hey cpt - I read this book a while ago - http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-Valley-Panorama-1930s/dp/0375708081 - it's pretty good all round about the 30's but there is a small section of the book dedicated to laying out the case that the BBC was formed as, and still is, an Organ of the State. The BBC has never been impartial or 'free'. It's entire slant is tilted towards the status quo and maintaining that status quo. It's senior figures are very much in bed with the senior figures in gov't and Whitehall. If there has been illegal activity in gov't circles, the BBC is THE vehicle used to deny it and bury it. Obviously, pedophilia in the gov't and the BBC has to be covered up and the BBC is well up to the job - it's had 75+ years experience in hiding stuff from the public.

[smoking since 1879]

Hey cpt - I read this book a while ago - http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-Valley-Panorama-1930s/dp/0375708081 - it's pretty good all round about the 30's but there is a small section of the book dedicated to laying out the case that the BBC was formed as, and still is, an Organ of the State. The BBC has never been impartial or 'free'. It's entire slant is tilted towards the status quo and maintaining that status quo. It's senior figures are very much in bed with the senior figures in gov't and Whitehall. If there has been illegal activity in gov't circles, the BBC is THE vehicle used to deny it and bury it. Obviously, pedophilia in the gov't and the BBC has to be covered up and the BBC is well up to the job - it's had 75+ years experience in hiding stuff from the public.

"there is a small section of the book dedicated to laying out the case that the BBC was formed as, and still is, an Organ of the State. "

no doubt there. i grew up with it. it is nothing but.

but all is ok, Rona Fairhead will make everything ok. only Ms Fairhead can make it ok, because she has a fair head.

can i get some more orwell with my salad pls?

peace

[smoking since 1879]

more to the point, if he left such a "appalling legacy", why isn't the bastard being hung from the nearest lamppost?

i guess he got his golden parachute into the next corporate wheeze. [expletive deleted].

peace,

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Revealed: New boss of investigation into VIP child abuse claims is linked to Leon Brittan: The Mail On Sunday exposes family friendship of SECOND inquiry chief with the ex-MP accused of abuse file cover-up Tuesday, Sep 9th 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746370/Revealed-New-boss-investigation-VIP-child-abuse-claims-linked-Leon-Brittan-The-Mail-On-Sunday-exposes-family-friendship-SECOND-inquiry-chief-ex-MP-accused-abuse-file-cover-up.html#ixzz3CnmQtayS

Just another day at the office:



I suppose this isn't really supremely relevant to Savile (though it's surprising what is) but I thought we discussed Butler-Sloss on this thread, so discussing her replacement seemed okay. Maybe better talked about on the PIE thread, right enough.

[cptmarginal]

Female MP abused boy in care
A FORMER female MP was involved in a paedophile network at the heart of government, police have been told.
Sunday Express Published: Sun, January 12, 2014

She is alleged to have forced a boy in care to perform a “vile” sex act at one of a series of drug-fuelled parties in Westminster in the Eighties where boys and girls as young as 13 were allegedly abused.

Last night her alleged victim told the Sunday Express: “I want justice.”

Andrew Ash, now 45, said he has given Scotland Yard the name of the former MP. We cannot name her for legal reasons.

Mr Ash claims he was frequently ferried down to London from the North of England, where he was in care, to take part in sex parties.

He says they were organised by a paedophile ring involving David Smith, Jimmy Savile’s former chauffeur who killed himself last year before he was due to stand trial for sex offences

cont: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453381 ... oy-in-care

Ray Teret is a different former chauffeur of Savile.

Video interviews given to police by alleged victims of Jimmy Savile's chauffeur were on stolen computers

Sep 23, 2014

Sensitive video interviews given to police by alleged victims of Jimmy Savile’s ex-chauffeur and flatmate Ray Teret were on computers stolen from a Manchester flat, the M.E.N. can reveal.

The Crown Prosecution Service is now facing questions over a company it entered into a contract with to edit victims’ interviews for court.

Nazir Afzal, head of the north west CPS, said he was ‘very concerned’ and has ordered an urgent investigation into the security arrangements at Swan Films and the contractual terms in place. Data protection watchdog the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) is also launching a probe.

Former Manchester radio DJ Mr Teret, from Altrincham, is accused of a string of sex crimes including 15 counts of rape of a girl aged under-16. The charges, which he denies, span a period between 1962 and 1996.

The videos, alongside dozens of other filmed statements taken from alleged victims in other criminal cases, were on files on two Apple iMacs and a lap-top which were stolen from a flat on Wilmslow Road in Rusholme. The flat was used by video-editing film Swan Films.

Swan Films says it offers audio visual services and is understood to be based on Wynnstay Grove in Fallowfield, although it’s believed other premises are used for editing.

A man answering a phone number for the company refused to answer any questions. It doesn’t have a website.

An alleged rape victim in a different case who was told her footage was involved said: “This should simply not have been allowed to happen. It is a huge data breach. It appears that the interviews were allowed to be kept in a flat without security. It appears to me that this company was not properly vetted.”

The burglary was reported at 2.20pm on September 11. Alleged victims involved were notified by CPS and police representatives but the M.E.N. understands it’s being treated as an opportunistic break-in.

The footage was recovered on Saturday and has not been accessed. The CPS has master copies and has seized all confidential material remaining in the flat.

Mr Afzal said: “The care and support of victims and witnesses is our number one priority, and I appreciate that this incident will have caused anxiety to the victims concerned. We have been able to reassure the victims that all the video material has been recovered and initial checks suggest that it was not accessed in any way between the time the equipment was stolen and its recovery. However I am determined that the police investigations and our own internal CPS investigation establish all the circumstances of the theft and the arrangements in place at the company. We have secured all remaining video material from the company while investigations continue.”

Six men arrested on suspicion of burglary and handling stolen goods have been bailed pending further enquiries.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... avile.html

Five detectives facing misconduct probes over police's handling of historic sex crime claims against Jimmy Savile

19 September 2014

Five serving detectives and two retired officers are facing misconduct investigations over the police's handing of historic sex claims made against Jimmy Savile.

Four detectives working for Sussex Police and one working for North Yorkshire Police are to be questioned over how complaints made in 2008 and 2002 respectively were followed up.

A retired inspector with West Yorkshire Police is also to be investigated over claims made in 2009, as is a retired detective with Surrey Police over the handling of reports in 2007 and 2008.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) announced the investigations as part of the probe into how complaints against Sir Jimmy Savile were dealt with.

The four serving detectives with Sussex Police are being investigated over their handling of a reported indecent assault allegedly carried out by Savile in 1970.

A detective sergeant and detective constable, who visited the complainant after she contacted the force in March 2008, have been served with gross misconduct notices.

The other two officers, a detective chief inspector and detective inspector, who had supervisory roles, have also received misconduct notices. Investigators have taken a statement from the alleged victim and are due to quiz the four officers soon.

IPCC deputy chairwoman Sarah Green said: 'The investigation is examining interactions between Sussex Police officers and the victim and whether all lines of inquiry were properly pursued.'

Meanwhile, a serving detective sergeant with North Yorkshire Police has also been served with a misconduct notice over how he handled information from a 15-year-old girl regarding Savile and his late associate Peter Jaconelli in January 2002.

The response to two revelations made by a serving prisoner in 2008 and 2009 about Jaconelli - a former mayor of Scarborough who died in 1999 - is also being investigated.

The investigation got under way following a referral from North Yorkshire Police in April over whether information it had on record about Savile and his associates was properly disclosed to Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC).

Elsewhere, a former inspector with West Yorkshire has been interviewed under criminal caution regarding allegations he 'acted on behalf' of Savile by inappropriately contacting Surrey Police ahead of a police interview in 2009.

The IPCC said that its investigation into the matter is 'nearing completion' and is also looking into what knowledge the former officer had of letters making accusations against Savile.

A retired detective inspector with Surrey Police is the seventh person under investigation for his role in investigating allegations of sexual abuse by Savile at Duncroft School, Staines in 2007 and 2008 and whether information was passed on to other police forces in a 'timely way'.

The watchdog said that no investigation into Metropolitan Police force officers had been deemed necessary.

A spokesman said: 'We have advised the MPS to ensure that if any further evidence comes to light they should consider a referral to the IPCC.'

A joint report by the NSPCC and Metropolitan Police last year stated that 450 people had made complaints against Savile, alleging abuse between 1955 to 2009.

More on Jaconelli, from guruilla:

viewtopic.php?p=539948#p539948
viewtopic.php?p=508530#p508530

Savile: The Jaconelli Ring and Rampton