Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

[lightningBugout]

The H1N1 vaccine has a live virus.

No, the mist contains a live virus. The vaccine, like most flu vaccines, contains a dead or inactivated one.

[stickdog99]

Stickdog, the thimerosal is NOT in the bulk-size vaccines that are being given at the public clinics. Nor is Squalene.

You are sadly misinformed on this. I produced all three inserts. Did you simply ignore them. All multivial formulations (meaning 99% of all available injectable vaccinations) contain thimerosal, as do all multivial seasonal flu shots.

I was actually mistaken -- it is the single dose vaccines that do not contain thimerosal. Nor does the mist. Your reference to multivial being 99% - where did you get that number?

I work in a hospital that was giving out free vaccinations to its students. I asked the doctor overseeing the administration of the vaccinations where I could get a single shot version of the vaccine and he said that as far as he knew it was not available anywhere at any price.

Of course, they are using the otherwise unavailable thimerosal-free versions of these vaccines for the CDC's vaunted safety tests.

[lightningBugout]

FWIW to anyone not familiar, the official scientific consensus is that thiomersal / thimerosal is not linked to autism. However, there are a number of dissenters, some of whom have professional credentials.

Wikipedia, of course, always reflects the far side of the majority opinion, but FWIW, here you go:

There is no convincing evidence that thiomersal is a factor in the onset of autism.[17] Despite this, many parents, and some scientists and doctors, believe there is a connection.[18] Parents may first become aware of autistic symptoms in their child around the time of a routine vaccination, and parental concern about vaccines has led to a decreasing uptake of childhood immunizations and an increasing likelihood of measles outbreaks.[2][17][19] More than 5,000 U.S. families have filed claims in a federal vaccine court alleging autism was caused by vaccines, most implicating thiomersal; the majority of these claims are still being adjudicated.[18] The U.S. federal government agreed to award damages in one case, to a girl with a mitochondrial enzyme deficiency who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines,[20] some of which contained thiomersal. Many parents view this ruling as confirming that vaccines cause regressive autism;[21] however, most children with autism do not seem to have mitochondrial disorders, and the case was conceded without proof of causation.[22]

[stickdog99]

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... index.html

[Col. Quisp]

What is the mysterious illness in the Ukraine? Rumors abound that it is pneumonic plague...lungs fill up with blood...similar to the 1918 Spanish flu. This is scary but getting no media attention.

Ukraine flu outbreak worries EU neighbors
Published: Nov. 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM

BRUSSELS, Nov. 4 (UPI) -- An explosive outbreak of influenza in Ukraine is worrying EU member nations that border it, observers say.

Kiev has issued a call for international help in obtaining anti-viral drugs, saying 71 people have died in the past week and another 240 people hospitalized in serious condition among more than 250,000 reported cases of flu-like infection, the EUobserver reported Wednesday.

The publication said blood tests have not confirmed the presence of the H1N1 variety known as "swine flu," but the rapid pace of the infections have prompted a high level of concern among Ukraine's neighbors.

"The priority is to obtain the Tamiflu anti-viral drug, as well as antibiotics, respirators, protective masks and test kits for identifying the A/H1N1 virus," the Ukrainian government said in a statement Wednesday.

EU countries such as Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania that share land borders with Ukraine are worried, and are offering help. The EUobserver reported that Polish newspapers are saying Slovakia has already sent 200,000 protective masks to Ukraine.

Warsaw is also reportedly concerned about the flu situation in Belarus because of that country's closed, authoritarian government. The publication said critics contend Belarus is concealing a large flu outbreak.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Internation ... 257359934/

[Col. Quisp]

Death toll rises to 86 in Ukraine flu epidemic

(AFP) – 8 hours ago

KIEV — Eighty-six people have died in Ukraine from flu and respiratory infections, the health ministry said Wednesday, in an epidemic the World Health Organisation said could be largely due to the A(H1N1) virus.

The ministry said that almost half a million cases of flu and acute respiratory infections had been recorded since mid-October in the country of 46 million, while 24,000 people have been hospitalised.

Some 148,000 cases have been recorded in the past 24 hours, it added.

The epidemic is concentrated in the west of the country which has borders with four European Union states but a growing number of cases are being reported in the capital Kiev.

"As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus," the WHO said on Tuesday.

Lyudmila Mukharska, Ukraine's deputy chief health officer, said the authorities had confirmed that five of the dead had died of the H1N1 virus.

She vehemently denied rumours that the west of the country was suffering from an outbreak of plague, saying that it was "H1N1 that is circulating in Ukraine".

The WHO has sent a team of nine experts to Ukraine to help the authorities with the situation.

While the country is suffering from an above-average infection rate, many independent observers have accused Ukraine's squabbling politicians of seeking to profit from the situation ahead of January 17 presidential elections.

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has personally overseen a delivery of anti-flu medicines in the middle of the night while pro-Western President Viktor Yushchenko even called on NATO for help.

"Many questions remain to be answered," said the WHO.

"The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe."

[hanshan]

Death toll rises to 86 in Ukraine flu epidemic

(AFP) – 8 hours ago

KIEV — Eighty-six people have died in Ukraine from flu and respiratory infections, the health ministry said Wednesday, in an epidemic the World Health Organisation said could be largely due to the A(H1N1) virus.

The ministry said that almost half a million cases of flu and acute respiratory infections had been recorded since mid-October in the country of 46 million, while 24,000 people have been hospitalised.

Some 148,000 cases have been recorded in the past 24 hours, it added.

The epidemic is concentrated in the west of the country which has borders with four European Union states but a growing number of cases are being reported in the capital Kiev.

"As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus," the WHO said on Tuesday.

Lyudmila Mukharska, Ukraine's deputy chief health officer, said the authorities had confirmed that five of the dead had died of the H1N1 virus.

She vehemently denied rumours that the west of the country was suffering from an outbreak of plague, saying that it was "H1N1 that is circulating in Ukraine".

The WHO has sent a team of nine experts to Ukraine to help the authorities with the situation.

While the country is suffering from an above-average infection rate, many independent observers have accused Ukraine's squabbling politicians of seeking to profit from the situation ahead of January 17 presidential elections.

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has personally overseen a delivery of anti-flu medicines in the middle of the night while pro-Western President Viktor Yushchenko even called on NATO for help.

"Many questions remain to be answered," said the WHO.

"The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe."

link, please, tx


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[lightningBugout]

From CDC

Does the 2009 H1N1 flu shot have mercury in it?

There is no evidence that thimerosal (a mercury preservative in vaccine that comes in multi-dose vials) is harmful to a pregnant woman or a fetus. However, because some women are concerned about thimerosal during pregnancy, vaccine companies are making preservative-free seasonal flu vaccine and 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine in single-dose syringes for pregnant women and small children. CDC advises pregnant women to get flu shots either with or without thimerosal.

Does the 2009 H1N1 flu shot have an adjuvant or squalene in it?

Adjuvants are agents that are sometimes added to a vaccine to make it more effective. There are no adjuvants (such as squalene) in either the 2009 H1N1 or seasonal flu shot used in the United States.

Is the 2009 H1N1 flu shot expected to be associated with Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS)?

In 1976, an earlier type of swine flu vaccine was associated with cases of a severe paralytic illness called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) at a rate of approximately 1 case of GBS per 100,000 persons vaccinated. Some studies done since 1976 have shown a small risk of GBS in persons who received the seasonal influenza vaccine. This risk is estimated to be no more than 1 case of GBS per 1 million persons vaccinated. Other studies have shown no increase in risk of GBS. Pregnant women should tell the person giving the shots if they have ever had GBS.

[Col. Quisp]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... vVDUyCEcLQ

link for hanshan

[Col. Quisp]

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/

Ukraine - Plague Has Begun- Deaths - Lung Bleeding - A Web bot Hit - Exactly on Dates Too!
UPDATES TOWARDS BOTTOM OF POST - 11/4/09

As scary as this will sound - the Web bot has gotten a Huge Hit! It was predicted around Oct. 25th "Ill Winds" would begin - this would be something that would cause people to die a horrible death from bleeding in the lungs. The bot said it would be a few days of absolute torture to people and then they would die - this virus will sweep around the world - with ultimately 2 billion people dying - Also remember this suppose affect meat too - somehow - and many people( 1+ billion) will die from eating the tainted meat of animals. It will be realized late - and people will not be able to eat any meat in the future. (I know that seems impossible and hard to imagine)

Some kind of mysterious (not mysterious anymore - It IS the PLAGUE) virus is spreading - there are various reports from 3000 dead - though officially from govt. there is only around 60.
This is not H1N1 - this is causing lungs to bleed - with the lungs reaching 130 degrees or more (upon autopsies).


Articles and Information about the mysterious virus:

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... ry_state0=

According to unofficial data, "in Ukraine over the past week have died about 1500 people. Как отмечают некоторые врачи, причина — легочная чума. As noted by some doctors, the reason - pneumonic plague. Высокая температура с первого дня, жжение в области грудной клетки, желание пить холодное и тошнота — эти симптомы пугают всех. High temperatures from the first day, a burning sensation in the chest, the desire to drink cold and nausea - all of these symptoms are frightening. Люди умирают за несколько дней». People die in a few days.

Украинские СМИ тем временем сообщили, что вирус быстрыми темпами распространяется по Украине и уже пришел в Одессу: Ukrainian media meanwhile reported that the virus is rapidly spreading in Ukraine and has already arrived in Odessa:

«В Одесской области скончалась женщина. "In the Odessa area woman died. Свиной грипп у нее не подтвердился, скорее всего, причиной стала легочная чума. Swine influenza it has not been confirmed, likely was the cause of pneumonic plague.

Last night from an unknown virus (presumed pneumonic plague) to hurt another 37 thousand and 12 more died Ukrainians. Власти отрицают, что это легочная чума и настаивают на том, что люди умирают от гриппа, пневмонии и ОРЗ. The authorities deny that this is pneumonic plague, and insist that people die from influenza,

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Others are speculating that the H1N1 swine flu there has mutated into a much deadlier form. Other sources are absolutely convinced that the H1N1 swine flu simply could not produce the kind of deaths that are being seen right now in Ukraine.

Other early reports indicated that the H1N1 swine flu had been ruled out as the cause for at least some of the deaths in Ukraine.

So just what in the world IS going on over there?

Hopefully the WHO will have some honest answers for us over the next few days. If the number of deaths starts climbing into the hundreds or thousands we may have a truly serious problem on our hands.

Up until now, the H1N1 swine flu "pandemic" has mostly been a bunch of hype. World health authorities tell us that about 500,000 people die from the regular seasonal flu around the world each year, and yet only about 5,700 have died from the H1N1 swine flu worldwide so far.

Hardly something to be worried about.

But if the H1N1 swine flu mutates, or if this outbreak in Ukraine is something else entirely, then we may have something real to worry ourselves about.

the bleeding in the lungs is exactly what killed a lot of folks in the 1918-19 pandemic. See the great book "The Great Influenza: The story of the deadliest pandemic in history ." People would literally fall dead walking across the street. The bleeding out of the lungs was most likely the result of a "cytokine storm" that so increased the vascular permeability in the air sacks that blood filled the lungs. The reason why the mortality in the 1918-1919 pandemic was concentrated in the 18-25 yo cohort was that they had the most active immune systems.

Now I've NO conjecture as to who may have let this loose or why. But I do know that the technology is widespread to replicate the 1918-1919 virus that killed 2-4 million Americans and about 50 million world wide. And folks only traveled by ship in 1918. And there is NO vaccine for this flu type.

Hopefully we will know in a couple of weeks the sequences of the 8 RNA pieces in the Ukraine virus. I'll bet the farm that it is a replicant of the "Spanish Flu." If so, the odds are totally infinitesimal that this was NOT a deliberate bioweapon release.

The above was from the article

Govt. update on Ukraine http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11020 ... Spike.html


UPDATE - ADDED 5:20PM 11/3/09

Widely reported around the city of Keiv - aircraft were spraying substances in the air on the 30th of October (the day the mysterious virus began there) - I would say this is DEFINITELY "ILL WINDS"!

Link to Panic in Ukraine article

From Article:
Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.

The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.

Restricted Travel in Ukraine now - all schools and all public meetings - everything is shut down

A Microbiologist warned in August that Baxter planned on releasing a terrible virus in Ukraine he was arrested after he warned the government, he planned on going public with the information.

UPDATE 11/4/09

Ukraine Residents are saying Russia is the one who has released the plague upon them. Doctors are finding the lungs of the victims are black. Officials are now saying it is a previously unknown form of the plague! They are saying the mortality rate is 100%!

link to article: http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content ... 1153.shtml

From Article:

On the other hand, Ukrainian media reported that the virus is rapidly spreading in Ukraine and has already reached Odessa:

"1 woman died in the area of Odessa. Swine influenza has not been confirmed, most likely pneumonic plague was the cause.

Odessa and the region is already infected, most likely, is mutated pneumonic plague ", - said one of the doctors of private clinics in Odessa.

"The panic that spreads through the city, is so great that people are willing to sit at home even on just bread and water. Lack of gauze dressings in the city and surrounding areas - is just the beginning, and there is no elementary necessary ascorbic acid and inhalers.

Meanwhile, the first officially recorded death is because of pneumonic plague, and believe me in reality the are much more, "- says the Odessa physician.

All the doctors throughout Ukraine say that this is pneumonic plague.

"I have met with friends from the western Ukraine, the doctors say that the lungs of the dead were black. And that, perhaps this is not influenza but pneumonic plague. Well, if this is indeed a plague, then the news won't mention it for now, and certainly - it's 100% death (according to the U.S. for 1950-1994 - 41%, but the American health care, of course, not Ukrainian, and American doctors knew that they are dealing with a plague - KC).

[chiggerbit]

Speaking of Ukrain and it's possible mutation, did you see the one that was isolated in Brazil early last summer? It doesn't seem to have come to anything, then. But every mutation is always a concern.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7070-Web-Buzz ... t-it-means

[lightningBugout]

Can we all hold our horses on the Ukraine thing? The information appears to be coming from sensationalist media sources in the former USSR where there is a long history of egregious disinformation,. US CT sites are picking it up quickly. But, for example, I know there have been pneumonic plague episodes in Western Asia in the past decade and, from what I recall, the contagious-ness and death toll were nothing remotely like what these reports are claiming in the Ukraine.

[Col. Quisp]

I suppose the Ministry of Health is a sensationalist source.
http://twitter.com/ukrainenews

[lightningBugout]

No not at all. But in fairness, if you google Ukraine + Plague, the sources returned seem to conform to what I implied. Which is NOT to say the h1n1 epidemic there does not seem to be much more lethal than in other countries.

02.11.2009 13:19
Head sanitary inspector of Ukraine: plague is out of question

As of today there are no grounds to suppose that there are cases of pneumonic plague or some other plague in Ukraine.

Head sanitary inspector of Ukraine Oleksandr Belovol said this in the commentary to UNIAN.

O. Belovol said that all statements, that there is some kind of plague in Ukraine are not true.

3 out of 14 people who fell ill with swine flu died – head sanitary inspector

Head sanitary inspector of Ukraine Oleksandr Bilovol says that 3 people out of 14 people who fell ill with swine flu died in Ukraine.

According to an UNIAN correspondent, O. Bilovol said this today at the conference call of Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko with leaders of regions concerning issues of prevention of spreading of infectious diseases.
permanent URL of article:
http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-344941.html

All of which makes me wonder about the role of radioactivity in compromising Ukrainians' immune systems.

[teamdaemon]

I suppose the Ministry of Health is a sensationalist source.
http://twitter.com/ukrainenews

Well, that's what it is here, so why should it be any different over there? Our "Ministry of Health" is the most sensational source there is. We vaccinate 47 million people when 1 person dies.