'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:15 pm

No oil spill; a BLOWOUT: Danger of air contamination to all states east of Mississippi River
June 7, 6:40 PM | Huntsville Conservative Examiner | Hank Richards

This isn’t an oil spill and the EPA has it wrong. It’s an oil well blowout, an explosion; an uncontrolled release of crude oil, toxic gas and contaminants from an oil well after pressure control systems failed that killed 11 and left 17 injured - the media and EPA keep calling it an oil spill.

The Environmental Protection Agency says it's stepping up air quality monitoring on the Gulf Coast in the wake of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Toxic gases continue to circulate in the air above Gulf coastal cities. Available data from a collection station in Venice, Louisiana recorded a reading of 14ppm for volatile organic compounds in the air. The National Resources Defense Council registers a reading of 14ppm for VOC gases to be in the highest danger zone on its gas measurement scale which measures potential threats to human health.

The NRDC scale reports VOC gases above 10ppm as a ‘Significant Potential for Health Risks.’ The reading of 14ppm at Venice indicates an increase in the trend line for the volatile organic compounds.

VOC gases include some of the most toxic and potentially most deadly of the many gases that make up crude oil as it enters the Gulf waters and air along the coastline.

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In an Examiner interview by Hank Richards with Dan Youra, a research and quantitative analyst, Youra explains that ‘It is the oil in the air over the gulf that carries the greatest health risks for humans. BP has a cap on the blowout, but the gases can continue to increase and escape from the water for some incalculable period of time.

These gases and oil chemicals are in a dance, where the dancers keep changing from gases to liquids to solids and back and forth. If you could follow one molecule expelled from the blowout, it could rise through the 5000 feet of water as a liquid and pop out of the sea as a gas. It could float over to the coast, liquefy or solidify, heat up again and float off as a gas in the clouds.



Gases dissipate! What a convenient word of denial from the experts. It dissipates to where? Gas can dissipate for a few minutes or days and reappear as a liquid or solid again somewhere else. That’s one reason that producers burn it off as part of the process in some cases,’ says Youra.

There are concerns that vapor from the oil might cause health problems for people living in the region. Oil vapor can cause headaches or nausea, but EPA spokesman Dave Bary said there have been no confirmed reports of such problems. The EPA cautions that those who may experience headaches or other effects due to chemical smells should try to remain indoors as much as possible and use an air conditioner instead of leaving windows and doors open. If the symptoms persist, individuals should seek medical attention.

The oil leaking into the Gulf, and the dispersants being sprayed on the oil,
contain chemicals that evaporate into the air and could be carried in the wind
toward shore. As the oil continues to spread through coastal areas in Louisiana and Mississippi, people will likely notice these odors getting worse.

Meteorologists are concerned with the effects of a turbulent weather history in the Gulf. With a forecast for more active hurricanes during this current season, there is a possibility that the prevailing winds from the Gulf (southeast to southwest at 7 to 15 mph) plus the force of any developing storm potential pushing northward could carry with it a path of oil vapor over nearly every state east of the Mississippi River.

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As the chart indicates, the jet stream can be a significant factor in carrying the oil vapors and chemicals as far north as Vermont, depending upon the atmospheric movement of the stream.

According to weather specialists, the ‘oil vapors, chemical molecules and contaminants could be drawn into a jet stream and deposited on nearly half of the United States,’ an incident similar to the recent volcanic eruption in Iceland that left ash in the atmosphere and on land areas causing a number of airports in Europe to be closed.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:25 pm

^^^ makes me want to move to Montana

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:44 pm

ninkat,
That is a concern here. There is a local group called the Bucket Brigade.
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http://www.labucketbrigade.org/

Basically they are non-profit volunteers who take air samples.
I have been donating money for test kits and such for them to do their work.



Here is the latest report, released just today-
BP Coughs Up Another Drop of Air Quality Data: Not Reassuring
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/gsolo ... of_ai.html

MISSION STATEMENT & PURPOSE

The Louisiana Bucket Brigade is a 501(c)(3) environmental health and justice organization working with communities that neighbor the state's oil refineries and chemical plants. The EPA-approved “bucket" is a simple, community friendly tool that fenceline neighbors use to take air samples. We complement the community group by adding a level of technical expertise to their work. We provide this tool and training to community members to monitor and expose industrial pollution as it happens. We assist residents in their fight to reduce pollution and protect public health. We work with community groups to help them take air samples and achieve their goals, be it relocation away from a polluting facility, reduced pollution, or a moratorium on facility expansions. The more evidence the communities gather, the more power they have to attain their goals.

Taking air samples is a powerful experience for community members who are used to being ignored, overlooked, and disrespected by corporations and government. Dorothy Jenkins, President of Concerned Citizens of New Sarpy, used to call the refinery to complain about the odors. A low ranking operator would tell her not to worry, that the black plume of smoke that billowed for hours near her home was not harmful. Now Mrs. Jenkins has a bucket. When refinery managers and government regulators tell her that there is nothing to worry about, she answers, "Why, then, was there a benzene reading of 14 in my air sample, a reading that violates the state standards?" The bucket gives community members power to hold institutions accountable to provide a safe and healthy environment.

Dear XXXXXX,

Thank you for your support of the Louisiana Bucket Brigade (LABB). Your membership contribution of xxxxx will have both an immediate and lasting impact on the work that we are doing with the BP oil disaster and our work with communities impacted by the oil industry in Louisiana. Your belief in our mission and support for our cause are critical in our quest to respond to the oil disaster and to the general lack of accountability in the oil industry for environmental and public health impacts on Louisiana’s communities.

The work that we are doing right now on the oil disaster is crucial as the impact from Katrina on the fishing community was never reported, thus, no one really knows the exact impact it had. Reporting on the Oil Spill Crisis Map (oilspill.labucketbrigade.org) will expose the situation and help illustrate the direct impact the oil spill has had, preventing the impact from being "swept underneath the rug." We are also a local non-profit, which means that we will be able to continue documenting and advocating for the fishing community for the long term, since the oil spill will have an impact upon Louisiana residents for years to come. We have been working with communities impacted by the oil industry for the last decade and thus understand the legal difficulties that people will face in the coming years and want to ensure that there is a public platform for reporting and facilitating local experiences that will be available for public use. Our continuing work with the Refinery Efficiency Initiative is also extremely important as this is a program to reduce accidents at all 17 refineries in Louisiana. This Initiative is led by LABB and the community groups in the parishes where refineries are located. The Refinery Efficiency Initiative capitalizes on the common ground between refineries and the people in Louisiana who are at risk during refinery accidents, especially during storms. Accidents are bad for the refineries because they lose valuable product. Accidents are also unsafe for refinery workers and for the people of Louisiana. Reducing these accidents is a win for all parties.

With your support, LABB is able to build our capacity to do outreach in all the Gulf states affected by this disaster, allow us to continue air sampling in the Southeast Louisiana region, hire technical support for the maintenance of the crisis map site and continue our research with the Refinery Efficiency Initiative that shows the impact of refinery accidents in an effort to work on accident reduction.

As we move forward, please continue to spread the word about the work that the Louisiana Bucket Brigade is doing. By passing on our story to just ten people, you are helping to bring attention and keep an international focus on the Gulf Coast region as we continue our struggle for justice. Thanks again for your support and please let me know if you have any questions!

Sincerely,

Shannon Dosemagen
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Louisiana Bucket Brigade
4226 Canal Street
New Orleans, LA 70119
(504) 484-3433


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:36 pm

Looking at the feeds today, things appear to be getting worse.

It looks like the cap is tilting and the fins are starting to come off.

Barrels of oil continue to pour out.

http://data.plan9.de/akamai-bp-streams.html?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:44 pm

DoYouEverWonder wrote:Looking at the feeds today, things appear to be getting worse.

It looks like the cap is tilting and the fins are starting to come off.

Barrels of oil continue to pour out.

http://data.plan9.de/akamai-bp-streams.html?



New Estimates Double Rate of Oil That Flowed Into Gulf
By JUSTIN GILLIS and LIZ ROBBINS
Published: June 10, 2010

A government panel on Thursday doubled its estimate of the amount of oil that had gushed for weeks from the out-of-control BP well even before the latest attempt to cap it.
The new calculation suggested that an amount of oil equivalent to the Exxon Valdez disaster could have been flowing into the Gulf of Mexico every 8 to 10 days.
This assessment, based on measurements taken before BP cut the riser pipe of the leaking well on June 3 to cap some of the flow, showed that approximately 25,000 to 30,000 barrels of oil could have been gushing into the Gulf each day. That is far above the previous estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels a day.

Scientists say the flow rate could actually be greater now because they believe that cutting the riser to position the cap pipe may have only increased the flow of the oil and gas mixture. The same governmental panel said that it would be another few days until it would be able to estimate the current flow rate.
The assessment was conducted by the Flow Rate Technical Group, which was created federal government to accurately gauge the oil being released into the Gulf after questions were raised about BP’s own estimates.

Even though the Coast Guard said that BP had managed to capture 15,800 barrels of oil on Wednesday, just how much this represents in the larger scheme is unclear.

More, much more...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/us/11spill.html?hp

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Saw this comment on a local site in regard to this-
unreal reality June 10, 2010 at 6:26PM
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Well, it's no surprise that this admission is finally being made public. After all, they have been boasting collection of oil at 5 times the rate they ever admitted was leaking! It's ridiculous. But let's put it in perspective, shall we?

If we have 20K-40K barrels per day, let's say an average of 30K per day so we don't have to factor in the 20% potential increase since they cut the riser pipe. That would be
30,000 barrels per day X 42 gallons per barrel X 52 days = almost 66,000,000 gallons of oil.

(gag, and wipe tears...)

That is 6 times the Valdez disaster. Disgusting, especially in light of what BP claimed in it's spill mitigation plan... that they could handle 6M gallons per day without impacting the marsh, the marine environment or the fishing industry. Shame!

Lies about risk, breaching 8 of 10 layers of safety, this translates to criminal negligence, especially considering the devastation we are seeing. A little more math.... $4300/barrel fine for BP would put them at around $6.7B in fines alone pending. That on top of the cost of the cleanup and the cost of economic damage.

They've been reaping off us for a long time to the tune of billions. They have arrogantly and willfully neglected to consider safety regulations. They have caused the death of 11 hard working people. They have killed the Louisiana marsh, shoreline and Alabama, Florida are next in line for devastation. All this when they said they could prevent 6M gallons/day of oil from even REACHING the shore.

I think $6B in fines is a steal for them in light of this.


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:28 pm

2012, the Louisiana Bucket Brigade is great. In fact, we should have those in every city in the country... especially if that article I posted has any merit about the pollution spreading to every state east of the Mississippi.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby crikkett » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:21 am

I'm reminded of, and currently searching google and my personal archives for stories about how New York wanted to limit civilian testing of air quality in the aftermath of the building collapses in 2001. My poor memory has me thinking that New York passed a law forbidding civilians from testing air quality in order to limit 'false alarms'.

Sorry that it's taking all night. I'm surprised and frustrated at how difficult data is to find in a digital age. It has after all been almost 10 years...several machines...stacks of disks... if I had this in a book I'd be able to find it in a second because I'd remember its location on my shelves. But then I'd have to scan and upload.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:30 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:57 am

BAD NEWS from Bayou Barataraia

All hell is breaking lose! My boat was on the spill clean up, along with many others from our community. Mike had Billie running the boat.

Oil filled Bay Jimmy on 6/6/2010. The guys said it was 3 ft deep in places. They were trying to lay boom to contain it. All that night, the guys said they could hear helicopters flying all over. They couldn't see them, but heard them flying over. The next morning all the oil had magically disappeared.

On 6/7/2010 we received calls from men telling us about it. Then we started getting calls from folks in our town saying to come check out the water in the canals behind our homes. There were clouds of dispersed oil about 1ft below the surface in all of the canals off of the main bayou. When we grabbed a bucket full and ran a paper towel through it, the paper towel came up covered in little orange/red dots of what we believe is oil. The following morning

6/8/2010 we found oil floating on the surface (looked kind of like floating snot globs) ranging in size from quarter size to around 5 in around. We ran a white paper towel through the water and it came up looking, feeling and smelling like oil. The air in our community smells of oil and some sickly smell. My grandbabies were swimming in the canal on Sat. I am praying it was in here yet.

6/8/2010, Billie called and said he was bringing in our deckhand because he was sick. Bad muscle cramps etc.

6/9/2010: Fishermen were describing helicopters spraying something, at night, from helicopters that reminded them of being in Vietnam, when they were spraying agent orange. The same type of system! Everyone is getting really angry about the spraying of dispersants. They are going to kill our estuary and most likely us! This has to stop.


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:52 am

Sure, it is from Rense -- a site I do happen to avoid. However this badly written scenario is worth consideration:

Oil Volcano Pressure Too
Strong For Containment


Dr. James P. Wickstrom
6-9-10


It has been estimated by experts that the pressure which blows the oil into the Gulf waters is estimated to be between 20,000 and 70,000 PSI (pounds per square inch). Impossible to control.

What US Scientists Are Forbidden To Tell The Public About The Gulf

What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration.

They are under the threat of severe repercussions to the max.. Scientists confirming these findings cannot be named due to the above, but what they believe, they want to be known by all.

Take a U. S. map, lay it flat and measure inland just the minimum 50 miles of total destruction all around the Gulf of Mexico as to what you will read below.

The carnage to the United States is so staggering, it will take your breathe away.

Should what the scientists who are trying to warn everyone about be even close to being true... all of Florida will be completely destroyed as will everyone and everything on it.

You decide!! Everyone has the right to read what I have just written in this article, as well as to what is written below by the scientists who the Obama administration and BP are trying to shut up.

Please share with as many as you can.

--Dr. James P. Wickstrom

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/201 ... ogSpan.jpg

SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.

The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months.

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS

At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.

The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.

The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.

Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.

(End of scientists information release.) From Tom Buyea FL News Service


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Joseph Fasciani
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Jeff - As I wrote in the PS and Comment to another article, HS physics tells us that a liquid cannot be compressed. Period.
Perhaps this statement you posted, http://www.rense.com/general91/oilor.htm, will help the wake-up call.

As he points out:

The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

If HS sheeple had elementary physics, chemistry, biology, botany, and zoology BEFORE leaving HS, the MSM could not hood wink so many so often. -Joseph
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:53 am

I would just like to point out a few things.

1. Flow rate is 'officially' DOUBLE what we were told just 2 days ago

2. The containment vessel is almost full, and they are now hurrying over another to store the oil

3. Until that boat gets there they will start burning the oil that is coming up too fast to contain.

After 60 DAYS, they STILL have no plan that exceeds a 2 day horizon. "Oh okay, the boats filling up? Guess we better get another one over there"...WTF


I could go on and on about the insanity going on, and lack of Federal help, but I will just say that the oil is coming in, it has penetrated inland 20 miles so far, with no relief in sight.
Over 400 pelicans have been saved so far (that means 1/10th, the other 9/10ths that became exposed have sunk into the muck) People are very angry and feel abandoned/helpless. The sand berms are being built, and because BP hasn't provided or funded the vaccum/suckers, we have taken to using Port-O-Potty vaccums/sucker trucks to clean up the oil in places. This is INEXCUSABLE!
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:39 pm

If you ask me this is CNN fomenting paranoia amidst the terrifying backdrop of current events for an "end" we cannot fathom as of yet. But if you asked me, I'd tell you that about just about anything -- so take with salt grains. Isn't Anderson Cooper ex CIA? Seems like I've read that somewhere before.

Anyways, I would hazard a guess that BP and "The Powers that BP" know that OF COURSE somebody, many somebodies will obviously eventually "talk" to the "reporters" at some point in the near future and for all of time. Thus, why these "strong armed" tactics as of now as far as disclosure of events at the site? I mean, those workers have to go home at some point. Won't they tell stories? Won't the people they tell stories to tell other people the stories relayed to them? So I ask, what's the point? Something different is being occluded here. CNN doesn't do hard hitting reporting for the little guy and never has. Some new meme is being created before our eyes that will "spill" into other aspects of again "current events". That's my call.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Hugo Farnsworth » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:10 pm

He says it better than my poor prose.
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It seems to me that in our effort to affix blame and responsibility, to reassure ourselves that the Deepwater Horizon incident represents something incidental rather than fundamental to our civilization, we engage in a grave and ridiculous misapprehension about the nature of the world we've made for ourselves. Does it ever strike you as odd that the extraction of a toxic and flammable organic substance from deep beneath the crust of our planet is our society's most essential activity, that without it we couldn't support our numbers--grow our food, power our industry, make our construction materials, travel, etc. etc.? It strikes me as a little odd. The fact that we've "spilled"--isn't released a better word?--enough of this stuff to remake ecosystems just doesn't suggest to me that we have a problem with BP, or a problem with the Coast Guard, or a problem with the Obama Administration, but rather that we have a problem with industrial civilization, namely, and I hate to repeat myself, that its most basic and necessary activity involves poking holes in the Earth to get at this stuff in the first place. I know that environmental types like a story in which technology and moderation first stem and ultimately reverse the changes we have wrought, but--those of you in recovery can bear me out--addicts cannot moderately imbibe. So what does that tell you about "reducing your carbon footprint", mes potes?


Even though I have been in the oil industry for some 30+ years, I have always felt this way.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby nathan28 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:38 am

Hugo Farnsworth wrote:He says it better than my poor prose.
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It seems to me that in our effort to affix blame and responsibility, to reassure ourselves that the Deepwater Horizon incident represents something incidental rather than fundamental to our civilization, we engage in a grave and ridiculous misapprehension about the nature of the world we've made for ourselves. Does it ever strike you as odd that the extraction of a toxic and flammable organic substance from deep beneath the crust of our planet is our society's most essential activity, that without it we couldn't support our numbers--grow our food, power our industry, make our construction materials, travel, etc. etc.? It strikes me as a little odd. The fact that we've "spilled"--isn't released a better word?--enough of this stuff to remake ecosystems just doesn't suggest to me that we have a problem with BP, or a problem with the Coast Guard, or a problem with the Obama Administration, but rather that we have a problem with industrial civilization, namely, and I hate to repeat myself, that its most basic and necessary activity involves poking holes in the Earth to get at this stuff in the first place. I know that environmental types like a story in which technology and moderation first stem and ultimately reverse the changes we have wrought, but--those of you in recovery can bear me out--addicts cannot moderately imbibe. So what does that tell you about "reducing your carbon footprint", mes potes?


Even though I have been in the oil industry for some 30+ years, I have always felt this way.



Well I would agree with him, but I've got a personal ban on that sort of rhetoric until BP's assets go into recievership and the Feds send the bill to the receiver.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:16 pm

http://cryptogon.com/?p=15900

FAA Imposes Flight Restrictions Over Oil Spill Area

June 12th, 2010
In other words, no media related aircraft below 3000 feet.
Via: FAA:
All aircraft operations are prohibited except those flights authorized by ATC, routine flights supporting offshore oil operations; federal, state, local and military flight operations supporting oil spill recovery and reconstitution efforts; and air medical and law enforcement operations.


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