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Postby dbcooper41 » Wed May 11, 2011 10:44 am

http://www.wral.com/news/political/story/9579770/

By BRIAN WITTE, Associated Press
ANNAPOLIS, Md. — A spokeswoman for a Maryland congressman says some

members of
Congress will be allowed to view photographs of Osama bin Laden's

body.
Heather Molino, a spokeswoman for Democratic Rep. C.A. Dutch

Ruppersberger, said
Wednesday morning that the congressman is planning to view the photos

at CIA
headquarters either Wednesday afternoon or Thursday.
Ruppersberger is a member of the House Intelligence Committee. Molino

says all
of that committee's members are among the congressional

representatives who have
been offered a chance to see the photographs.
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed May 11, 2011 5:29 pm

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A Fort Worth DNA expert says that no results from DNA samples from Osama bin Laden’s body after he was killed in a U.S. raid on his hideout in Pakistan have been disclosed by U.S. government officials and that any media reports about the DNA are inaccurate.
Bruce Budowle is a local DNA expert and professor in the University of North Texas Health Health Science Center’s Department of Forensic and Investigative Genetics, and executive director of the Institute of Investigative Genetics.

Budowle made a splash last week when he was quoted in national media as an expert in DNA – and he said bin Laden’s DNA case has not been reported well.
“Given what I’ve seen so far, there have been some inconsistencies in what’s been presented, and the reason for that is unknown at this time,” he said last week during an interview with the Business Press.

Budowle, who worked for the FBI in its forensic science laboratory for 26 years and assisted in identifying victims of the 9/11 attacks, said the media have only speculated about DNA evidence, but no accurate information has been presented.

“It could be because someone made a mistake in the beginning, or someone’s not telling stuff or the media misinterpreted, but it’s all speculation at this point,” Budowle said.
The DNA test results that were reported also were inconsistent values, he said.
“We’ve heard that it’s from his sister in Boston, that’s one explanation, and someone else said he only has a half sister and not a full sister, yet they had a 99.99 percent certainty. That alone says there was something done to the calculations,” he said.

But if officials did need bin Laden’s DNA to confirm that it was his body the U.S. team brought out of Pakistan, they could get it quickly, Budowle said. “In crime labs it can take a lot longer of a time frame, but in theory, if you just had one single mission, and you’re making a comparison, it can probably be done in a few hours,” he said

DNA testing can increase the chances of accurately identifying an individual by using a large number of genetic markers, such as from blood or a cheek swab.
“If you have a sample from the individual from years before and it is a direct comparison, you can have a very, very high probability, like 99.9 percent. However, if you are comparing indirectly and do not have a sample from the individual but comparing to a relative, you’re only getting partial information, so the power is reduced unless you have a lot of relatives,” Budowle said. The more family members one has to compare to an individual’s DNA, the better the result for identification.

Many speculate if officials do have a direct sample of DNA from bin Laden, or if they have an indirect sample of DNA from a family member to compare the results. “That’s where the problem comes in. Right now, anything is just speculation or at best misunderstood,” he said. Budowle said he did not know what officials used to compare DNA results for bin Laden, but speculated that they used the standard routine genetic markers first, which are used in most crime labs. Bin Laden’s DNA test results also depend on what family member was used. “I think there’s a lot of confusion so far on what has been conveyed,” he said.

According to administration officials, facial recognition software was also used to help identify bin Laden’s body. “They both can be very accurate, but given the pool of candidates, it may be one is better in one situation than another,” Budowle said.

Accuracy and probability are two large factors when comparing DNA results. “Probability is not accuracy, because something can be very accurate but the result may not give you a high probability for certainty for identity,” he said. If officials do have bin Laden’s DNA, then it probably would be used for further studies, possibly to see whether it shows up in any other evidence, such as explosive devices or in other terrorists attacks.

“My guess is that you would be unlikely see his [DNA] because it didn’t look like he was active himself. He seemed to use others to do the work, so the chances of his DNA leading us to other cases may be remote,” Budowle said.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby JackRiddler » Wed May 11, 2011 11:43 pm

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Postby Occult Means Hidden » Thu May 12, 2011 7:36 am

Over the last few days EU and US authorities have made a case that the action against OBL was not assassination. It's fascinating to watch because the initial pledge those in the Bush admin made was for a no-holds barred, dead or alive and at relentless pursuit of cowboy justice. Then once the US "kills" OBL, they don't claim assassination. This is somewhat counter-intuitive. The edifice of US policy towards Al Q. and it's actions often don't appear to be consistent. Take this article:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/12/6628248-american-jihadist-leads-pro-al-qaida-rally-in-somalia

Omar Hammami, known as Abu Mansur al-Amriki, or "the American," is perfectly willing to show up in public demonstration and be photographed by Reuters (or an affiliate) but i'm sure the whole of US intelligence will claim to not know precisely his whereabouts. Similar to 2006 reports of official Taliban spokesmen giving news conferences without the apparent tailing, sabotage or outright arrest or killing by US belligerents.

How often has the US attempted murder or practiced killing of a particular and named Al Q lieutenant but not then be worried of a labeled assassination monicker that follows the action? Why is it more acceptable to kill the nameless in war but less acceptable to kill those with names? Even barred by international law? Why was it acceptable to assassinate those with names by surgical drone strikes? What was the difference? I'm pretty much convinced Misrata's hell and hundreds of innocents wouldn't have to have died if the US simply bombed Ghaddafi and his top generals in early March. Interestingly, a missile that struck a Ghaddafi compound two weeks ago was quickly denied by U.S. officials as an attempted assassination attempt. The US claimed it wasn't interested in that kind of strike. Apparently instead they are interested in prolonging a problem as long as possible during a war engagement.

None of it makes sense.
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Postby yathrib » Thu May 12, 2011 10:17 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110512/ap_ ... _bin_laden

"Officials: Bin Laden eyed small cities as targets"


The interesting part:


"He also schemed about ways to sow political dissent in Washington and play political figures against one another, officials said."

So there you have it. All those traitors, lily livers, and pantywaists bellyaching about the endless Wars on (some) Terror... It was all Osama Goldstein's doing!
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu May 12, 2011 3:42 pm

Image

German Newscast Confuses 'Star Trek' Terrorists With Navy SEALs

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/ ... bin-laden/
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Postby beeline » Thu May 12, 2011 4:01 pm

Link

Brady views bin Laden death photos

By WILLIAM BENDER
Philadelphia Daily News

Congressman Bob Brady walked into CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., this morning and was granted access to classified photos that few Americans have seen:

Osama bin Laden's corpse.

"Oh, he's dead," Brady said of the late al Qaeda leader, who was shot to death in Pakistan last week in a daring Navy SEALs raid green-lighted by President Obama.

The photos are gruesome.

Brady, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, said the fatal round practically destroyed bin Laden's head.

"The bullet went in the left eye and probably exited the right ear, but in passing through it blew his skull open," Brady said. "It's quite graphic. His brain and everything are coming out."

Other photos show bin Laden during different stages of his life to illustrate unique facial features. His corpse was also photographed as it was cleansed and wrapped in white cloth "like a mummy" before being buried at sea, Brady said.

He said bin Laden's beard was dyed black, perhaps an indication that he was preparing to film another video.

"Maybe it was to get ready to say hello to us" with a new video from his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, Brady said. "No more though."

Brady agrees with Obama's decision not to release the photos to the public.

"I don't think that's something I would want my family to see. I think the president made the right decision," Brady said. "It's a real gruesome picture and I think there are people that would exploit it in ways that may be harmful to us."

"We killed him. He's dead. It's over," Brady said.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 12, 2011 4:55 pm

Occult Means Hidden wrote:Over the last few days EU and US authorities have made a case that the action against OBL was not assassination. It's fascinating to watch because the initial pledge those in the Bush admin made was for a no-holds barred, dead or alive and at relentless pursuit of cowboy justice. Then once the US "kills" OBL, they don't claim assassination. This is somewhat counter-intuitive. The edifice of US policy towards Al Q. and it's actions often don't appear to be consistent. Take this article:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/12/6628248-american-jihadist-leads-pro-al-qaida-rally-in-somalia

Omar Hammami, known as Abu Mansur al-Amriki, or "the American," is perfectly willing to show up in public demonstration and be photographed by Reuters (or an affiliate) but i'm sure the whole of US intelligence will claim to not know precisely his whereabouts. Similar to 2006 reports of official Taliban spokesmen giving news conferences without the apparent tailing, sabotage or outright arrest or killing by US belligerents.

How often has the US attempted murder or practiced killing of a particular and named Al Q lieutenant but not then be worried of a labeled assassination monicker that follows the action? Why is it more acceptable to kill the nameless in war but less acceptable to kill those with names? Even barred by international law? Why was it acceptable to assassinate those with names by surgical drone strikes? What was the difference? I'm pretty much convinced Misrata's hell and hundreds of innocents wouldn't have to have died if the US simply bombed Ghaddafi and his top generals in early March. Interestingly, a missile that struck a Ghaddafi compound two weeks ago was quickly denied by U.S. officials as an attempted assassination attempt. The US claimed it wasn't interested in that kind of strike. Apparently instead they are interested in prolonging a problem as long as possible during a war engagement.

None of it makes sense.



It definitely makes no sense. It's "abhorrent" to intentionally target and assassinate leaders the US claims...but its totally kosher to blow up countless innocents with bombs and drone strikes. Totally ok to illegally invade a sovereign country in the dead of night to break in and kill an unarmed man and other dwellers there. Its ok to murder all the grand children of a dictator. The public at large on both sides of the aisle has NO problem with any killing done by the US or by proxy...so what is with the "its illegal to assassinate/we dont assassinate" meme?
Once again, the public that buys this is quite asleep as is the media

And people like Chris Matthews are just as nauseating as the Hannitys and O'reilleys of the world in this propaganda cesspool
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 12, 2011 4:58 pm

beeline wrote:

"I don't think that's something I would want my family to see. I think the president made the right decision," Brady said. "It's a real gruesome picture and I think there are people that would exploit it in ways that may be harmful to us."

"We killed him. He's dead. It's over," Brady said.


Ok...but can the Pentagon release graphic photos of many of the Pakistani and Afghan villagers it's killed in the last two years?
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Postby vanlose kid » Thu May 12, 2011 5:36 pm

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OBL burial footage...



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Postby Nordic » Thu May 12, 2011 6:03 pm

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Postby justdrew » Thu May 12, 2011 6:39 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:Image

German Newscast Confuses 'Star Trek' Terrorists With Navy SEALs

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/ ... bin-laden/


WTF. Maquis is a generic term like guerrillas. it can reasonably be applied to a seal team as a sort of non-standard military force.
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu May 12, 2011 7:50 pm

justdrew wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:Image

German Newscast Confuses 'Star Trek' Terrorists With Navy SEALs

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/ ... bin-laden/


WTF. Maquis is a generic term like guerrillas. it can reasonably be applied to a seal team as a sort of non-standard military force.


And the Klingon skull and the Bat'leths?
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Postby justdrew » Thu May 12, 2011 7:54 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:
justdrew wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:Image

German Newscast Confuses 'Star Trek' Terrorists With Navy SEALs

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/ ... bin-laden/


WTF. Maquis is a generic term like guerrillas. it can reasonably be applied to a seal team as a sort of non-standard military force.


And the Klingon skull and the Bat'leths?


well, it must be fan art I guess. funny. but FOX hardly has any business pointing fingers at a "news" show for putting incorrect graphics up.
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Postby thurnundtaxis » Thu May 12, 2011 8:44 pm

barracuda wrote:Image

Via Boing Boing:

From the White House photo description on Flickr: "President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, along with members of the national security team, receive an update on the mission against Osama bin Laden in the Situation Room of the White House, May 1, 2011. Please note: a classified document seen in this photograph has been obscured."


And via MinM in the Images thread:

Image[/


hmmm....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110512/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_photographers
:shock: :? :roll: :wink:


White House: No More Photo Re-Enactments

By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer – Thu May 12, 3:12 pm ET
NEW YORK – The White House said it is ending its long-running practice of having presidents re-enact televised speeches for news photographers following major addresses to the country, a little-known arrangement that fed suggestions of fakery when Barack Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden.
After Obama's live, late-evening address from the East Room of the White House on May 1, five photographers were ushered in to shoot pictures as the president stood at the podium and re-read a few lines of his speech — a practice that news organizations have protested for years.
Even though The Associated Press and other news outlets said in captions to the photos that they were taken after the president delivered his address, many people who saw them may have assumed they depicted the speech itself. That raised questions of whether news organizations were staging an event.
The issue also drew attention when Jason Reed of Reuters, one of the photographers who took part, blogged about the assignment, saying the president "re-enacted the walkout and first 30 seconds of the statement for us."
This week, the White House stepped in.
"We have concluded that this arrangement is a bad idea," Obama spokesman Josh Earnest said late Wednesday. He said the administration is open to working out some new arrangement with photographers.
The practice of re-enactments has a long history. Washington veterans say President Harry Truman would deliver speeches over radio and then repeat them for newsreel cameras. Doug Mills, a photographer for The New York Times who was on duty May 1, said he has seen every president from Ronald Reagan to Obama take time after a speech so still photographers could get their shots.
Photographers know that for these major televised addresses, delivered from the White House without an audience, newspapers and websites expect to illustrate their stories with a picture of the president speaking. News organizations disdain White House handout photos, preferring to take the pictures themselves. They consider "screen grabs" from television to be of poor quality.
Yet the presence of still photographers with cameras that make noise can be a distraction to a president, particularly in cramped settings such as the Oval Office, and perhaps to viewers of the speech.
"All it takes is for some photographer to drop something and the president react to it, and it looks terrible on television," Mills said.
The AP, in the photo captions transmitted with pictures shot by Pablo Martinez Monsivais, said: "President Barack Obama reads his statement to photographers after making a televised statement" on bin Laden's death. Despite that, a survey by the journalism think tank Poynter Institute found that 30 of 50 newspaper front pages that used an Obama photo from the speech "implied or strongly suggested it was an image of the live address."
Santiago Lyon, director of photography for the AP, said the news service "would welcome real-time access to these sort of addresses in a way that maintains our journalistic independence."
The White House usually has an official photographer on duty, and the administration's Pete Souza took pictures of the president's real speech that night. But news organizations generally resist using handouts unless necessary — as was the case with the official photos of the White House Situation Room during the mission that killed bin Laden.
Also, the role of the official White House photographer is to show presidents in a good light. For example, if a president were to shed a tear or get visibly angry during a speech, it might make a great news photo, but probably not one the White House staff would want to circulate.
Don Winslow, editor of News Photographer magazine for the National Press Photographers Association, said the White House offered a pool arrangement for national addresses, where one photographer would be chosen and would agree to distribute a photo to colleagues, but news organizations rejected it.
David Ake, assistant AP bureau chief for photography in Washington, said the White House has not approached the AP with the idea. But he said single-photographer pools allow only one point of view.
"There are examples every day of the variety of pictures made when several photographers are present for a news event," Ake said. "Single-photographer pools stifle the creativity created by competition among several photographers to make the best storytelling image."
There are conflicting accounts on whether technology exists to take photographs without distracting the president. One idea could be using mirrors so photographers could do their jobs out of the president's sight line, the White House's Earnest said.
"We're optimistic that we can work out another arrangement with the still photographers," he said.
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