The Wikileaks Question

[Plutonia]

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Nope.

[vanlose kid]

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not good. thanks for the link though.

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[anothershamus]

I used to get my news from Jon Stewart now I get it from Robert Foster!

A wikileaks special! Special appearance by Alex Jones!

[Plutonia]

Wikileaks- 20 full-time staff for Cablegate. Designed to survive a beheading:



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Fxd!

[vanlose kid]

Robert Fisk live interview on Wikileaks:

pt. 1 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kney2heDyL8&feature=related

pt. 2 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82-_r3vz ... re=related


RF: "What Wikileaks does is it proves beyond any doubt that what we were reporting was correct, and that what we were told by American authorities was mendacious, was a lie."

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[anothershamus]

I just listened to the Robert Fisk vids, and was intrigued so I googled some more. I found this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE0kqeydxug and at: 14:10 he says,

'I realize that they are lying, and they must know that they are lying, but the astonishing thing is, that they act on the basis of their lies!'

As this observation is true, we are in the deepest shit we have ever been in!

[JackRiddler]

Look at the picture The Guardian used with this headline.


Joe Biden appears on NBC's Meet the Press, for a taped interview. Photograph: Getty Images

The photo is effectively a comment from The Guardian. It's probably not showing Biden at the moment he called Assange "like a terrorist." And this comparison was fed to him by the interviewer.

Still. Is this like, "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... rist-biden

Julian Assange like a hi-tech terrorist, says Joe Biden

US vice-president makes strongest remarks by any White House official over WikiLeaks founder and dipomatic cables


Ewen MacAskill in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 19 December 2010 18.20 GMT


The US vice-president, Joe Biden, today likened the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, to a "hi-tech terrorist", the strongest criticism yet from the Obama administration.

Biden claimed that by leaking diplomatic cables Assange had put lives at risk and made it more difficult for the US to conduct its business around the world.

His description of Assange shows a level of irritation that contrasts with more sanguine comments from other senior figures in the White House, who said the leak had not done serious damage.

Interviewed on NBC's Meet the Press, Biden was asked if the administration could prevent further leaks, as Assange warned last week. "We are looking at that right now. The justice department is taking a look at that," Biden said, without elaborating.

The justice department is struggling to find legislation with which to prosecute Assange.

Asked if what Assange had done was criminal, Biden seemed to suggest it would be considered criminal if it could be established that the WikiLeaks founder had encouraged or helped Bradley Manning, the US intelligence analyst suspected of being behind the leak. Biden claimed this was different from a journalist receiving leaked material.

"If he conspired to get these classified documents with a member of the US military that is fundamentally different than if someone drops on your lap … you are a press person, here is classified material."

Asked if he saw Assange as closer to a hi-tech terrorist than the whistleblower who released the Pentagon papers in the 1970s, which disclosed the lie on which US involvement in Vietnam was based, Biden replied: "I would argue it is closer to being a hi-tech terrorist than the Pentagon papers. But, look, this guy has done things that have damaged and put in jeopardy the lives and occupations of people in other parts of the world.

"He's made it more difficult for us to conduct our business with our allies and our friends. For example, in my meetings – you know I meet with most of these world leaders – there is a desire now to meet with me alone, rather than have staff in the room. It makes things more cumbersome – so it has done damage."

The interview, though broadcast yesterday, was conducted on Friday. In an interview the previous day, he had been more neutral about WikiLeaks, saying: "I don't think there's any substantive damage."

The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, led criticism of the WikiLeaks revelations at the end of November when she accused the website of mounting an "attack" on the world.

[barracuda]

Biden claimed that by leaking diplomatic cables Assange had put lives at risk and made it more difficult for the US to conduct its business around the world.

I had entirely forgotten that the people of the world have a responsibility to make it easier for the US to conduct its business.

[anothershamus]

Joe Biden staffer working at the typerwriter!



Plutonia wrote:

Quality entertainment for an empire in collapse!

[slimmouse]

I had entirely forgotten that the people of the world have a responsibility to make it easier for the US to conduct its business.

......founded upon a catalogue of deceit, murder, theft, corruption and lies.

How dare wikileaks lay bare such Modus Operandi ?

Whatever becomes of the Wikileaks episode, its been a pleasure to see the likes of Hilary Clinton, and Biden and all the rest of these folks crying foul ; the very scourge of humanity squirming and whining like the exposed cowards and hypocrites that they are, in plain view of an ever increasing number of people.

[anothershamus]

Don't forget dickwad Joe Lieberman! The M@ther#ucker that cost us the election and ended us in this $#it Hole War!

[Plutonia]

.. its been a pleasure to see the likes of Hilary Clinton, and Biden and all the rest of these folks crying foul ; the very scourge of humanity squirming and whining like the exposed cowards and hypocrites that they are, in plain view of an ever increasing number of people.

Agreed.

But apparently, it's not just those in the heights of power in the USA who've hopped the winge-train. I was shocked - yes shocked!- to hear some of the crap coming out of the mouths of these Liberal Progressives attending a - get this!- Flash conference last week on, ostensibly, Tech, Democracy and Wikileaks. There are two panel discussions of about an hour and a half each. I'll admit, I skimmed. My overall impression is - these people are insane. Literally. The ex-Guardian journo had some good points though she's a Brit.

Personal Democracy Forum Leaks Panel 1: 12/11/10

Personal Democracy Forum Leaks Panel 2: 12/11/10

Smell factor? Enough to be worrying


Edit: I forgot to exempt the first presenter of the first panel - Michael Pesci (?)- he was good.

[anothershamus]

.. its been a pleasure to see the likes of Hilary Clinton, and Biden and all the rest of these folks crying foul ; the very scourge of humanity squirming and whining like the exposed cowards and hypocrites that they are, in plain view of an ever increasing number of people.

Agreed.

But apparently, it's not just those in the heights of power in the USA who've hopped the winge-train. I was shocked - yes shocked!- to hear some of the crap coming out of the mouths of these Liberal Progressives attending a - get this!- Flash conference last week on, ostensibly, Tech, Democracy and Wikileaks. There are two panel discussions of about an hour and a half each. I'll admit, I skimmed. My overall impression is - these people are insane. Literally. The ex-Guardian journo had some good points though she's a Brit.

Personal Democracy Forum Leaks Panel 1: 12/11/10

Personal Democracy Forum Leaks Panel 2: 12/11/10

Smell factor? Enough to be worrying

Robert Fisk: 'I realize that they are lying, and they must know that they are lying, but the astonishing thing is, that they act on the basis of their lies!'

[Plutonia]

Robert Fisk: 'I realize that they are lying, and they must know that they are lying, but the astonishing thing is, that they act on the basis of their lies!'

Srsly. You don't want these people in charge of your grocery delivery.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

There are many issues that arise from being a “closed” leaks website, which OpenLeaks will be. Who gets first dibs at leaked documents? Do the leaked documents get distributed to the highest bidding news outlet? Who is held responsible once leaks are released? Will the government target OpenLeaks, or the news outlet that distributes the news?

what a joke.

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Just to clarify...

The German Domscheit-Berg, along with several other former Wikileaks staffers, plans to launch a website they’re calling OpenLeaks as early as next week, Domscheit-Berg told Forbes in an interview. Like WikiLeaks, the new site will allow leakers to anonymously submit information to a secure online dropbox. But unlike its parent site, it won’t publish that information itself. Instead, it will allow the source to designate any media or non-governmental organizations he or she chooses and have that information passed on for fact-checking, redaction and publication. That difference, argues Domscheit-Berg, will allow OpenLeaks to accomplish much of the transparency achieved by WikiLeaks, without drawing the same political fury and legal pressure.

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2 ... will-work/