Huge explosion in Oslo

[MacCruiskeen]

Stickdog, thanks very much for sticking with the delayed response so persistently, despite vk's shameful and timewasting one-line disruption efforts, not to mention barracuda's Dorian-Grayish complaints of being "bored" and his stern headmasterly avowals that this is "not a productive line of inquiry".

...

persistence is a virtue, unless it's a vice.

Mac, before you get too carried away on the moral high horse of denuciation let me ask you something. what do you call this?

...Are all of you police apologists ashamed of yourselves yet, or do I need to keep piling it on?

or this:

... despite vk's shameful and timewasting one-line disruption efforts...".

argument?

I call it two justifiably exasperated responses to two separate annoyances:

1) persistent de facto apologies, especially from you, for a shockingly delayed response (noted by many outraged Norwegians and now admitted by the police, though still not plausibly explained) to an ongoing massacre which everyone in Norway knew was happening, and which many civilians tried desperately (and bravely, and successfully) to mitigate while waiting 90 minutes for the police to turn up;

and

2) a torrent of shameless, witless, lazy, one-line trollposts from you in particular.

For loads of evidence, see the entire thread, which speaks very clearly for itself. Especially the last ten pages.

- Now back OT, if possible.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

The illuminati card stickdog99 posted, read whats below the headline, uncanny

Oslo: Snipers protect Obama
2009-12-07 20:18

Oslo - More than 2 000 police, including snipers and sniffer dog handlers, will be mobilised for the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in Oslo on Thursday honouring US President Barack Obama, police said.

[barracuda]

Authorities are beginning to release the identities of the victims, which include the children of highly placed party members and the step-brother of the crown princess.

[tazmic]

They weren't able to deploy a helicopter because the entire crew had been sent on vacation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/oslo-terror-attacks-lawyer-anders-behring-breivik-insane-_n_909410.html

Norwegian police doesn’t have personnel transport helicopters. According to the reports, there should be only one police helicopter with observation equipment. So Special Forces (Delta) have to rely on support from RNoAF (Royal Norwegian Air Force) helicopters.
[...]
The [Police] helicopter is often grounded due to budget constraints for the police force. It became clear today that due to budget cuts the helicopter was grounded in the “common summer holiday” of 3-4 wks June-July every year in Norway, as well as other holidays.

http://cencio4.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/utoya-island-attack-timeline/
http://www.dn.no/forsiden/politikkSamfunn/article2188604.ece

But that's the police helicopter that was on vacation. Delta use the one they have at RNoAF:

Beredskapstroppen has two Rigid-hulled inflatable boats. The type has three engines with a total of 675 HP.

For air transport Beredskapstroppen uses military Bell 412 SP from the RNoAF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beredskapstroppen

Rygge Air Station

137 Air Wing
Squadron 720 (Bell 412 SP, special forces transport)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNoAF

[ShinShinKid]

The illuminati card stickdog99 posted, read whats below the headline, uncanny

I don't know if it's been said in the forums before, but I think those cards are a key to some global events...or at least an easy reference for some things that are going on.

[8bitagent]

Apologize if this has been mentioned, but I read a CNN article about Glen Beck saying the island summer camp sounded like a "Hitler Youth Camp". What a dickhead. Brevik hated Muslims but like Beck, he hated liberals that much more. I'm disgusted with these filthy fascists.

Yeah I too noticed that with all the "Islamification this, Muslims that" crap he seems to serve his most vile hatred and conspiracy paranoia(and violence) toward so called "socialists". This is precisely what Beck does...where at the top of this shadowy chain sits a cabal of evil commies everywhere.

Events like this or OKC serve as the perfect way to say "so, youre anti government? Well this is what anti government views look like".

[8bitagent]

From today: Unanswered questions swirl around attack(police response, Breivik known, etc)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14287817

May 2011: Norway's military computers hacked
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/20 ... er_attack/


Also I understand both arguments...some are wondering why all the focus on the timing of the bumbling cops...I guess they've had a lot of budget cuts
since 1980?

[Plutonia]

Breivik asks for access to Wikileaks?!

More suspects arrested?!

Anyone know if this is a credible news source?

Links to original and Google translate version below:

STILLER KRAV: FULFILLING REQUIREMENTS: Persons charged with terrorist Anders Behring Breivik


Terrorist Anders Behring Breivik (32) requires the police about food, Wikileaks access and access to its own manifesto.


26.07.2011, kl. 6:34 p.m. 18:34

(Dagbladet): In his terrorist manifesto and in interviews with police terror accused Anders Behring Breivik (32) said that he was part of an organization that had two other terrorist cells , small groups, with peers in Norway.

Breivik has explained about a lot of questioning, but not been willing to say more about this.

Impossible demands
He has set conditions to say who it is that we can not go on, said police Inspector Paul Hjort Kraby.

The demands of his is impossible to fulfill.

Police do not know if cells actually exist, but says that in this case to examine every single track and information.

32-year-old has made several very specific requirements for the police. Some of them have been fulfilled.

He has met some relatively innocuous things, like matpreferanser says Hjort Kraby to Dagbladet.

Wikileaks
According to Dagbladet Swedish cooperation newspaper Expressen has 32-year-old required to have access to a PC with its own manifesto, so that he can work on it, and an uploaded version of Wikileaks. The police have denied.

He also demanded to be read from his manifesto in English in the prison meeting in court, but then replied that he had to speak Norwegian. He asked also required to make in his custom-made "gala uniform," but the court said a flat no.

How does it feel that someone who is accused in a case like this makes such demands to the police?

It's special. It is all a very special case, says Paul Hjort Kraby.

Original Norwegian: http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/26/nyhe ... /17463604/
Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %2F&anno=2

[wordspeak2]

Don't know offhand, but...

I certainly don't take Webster Tarpley at face value, but one interesting tidbit from his article:

"In early November 2010, the Oslo television channel TV2 exposed the existence of an extensive network of paid assets and informants of US intelligence recruited from the ranks of retired police and other officials. The ostensible goal of this program was the surveillance of Norwegians who were taking part in demonstrations and other activities critical of the United States and its policies. One of the Norwegians recruited was the former chief of the anti-terror section of the Oslo police.7" http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-te ... alse-flag/

Right. So- not only did Norway just opt out of the failing NATO mission in Libya, but Norway is the prime embodiment of a model democratic socialism that imo is being viewed favorably across the world. It has innocence, charm, universal health care, and only 40 murders a year. What better way to send a blow- both direct and psychological- to progressive socialism than mass-murdering the children of its leadership. What could possibly be more evil? Cui Bono? The entire global fascist capitalist apparatus. Neo-nazis are used as patsies.

[dbcooper41]

apparently the pics are from his audition video for "aryan avenger".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shaw/reading-the-pictures-norw_b_908191.html

[Plutonia]

Hmmm...

It's breaking out all over: "About 59,100 results"

Assange = Breivik

http://www.google.ca/search?q=Anders+Be ... =firefox-a

Including spew like this on Answers.com:

What's the spiritual difference between Julian Assange and Anders Behring Breivik?

Last week I had a conversation with a fellow who was sure that Assange had raped children in Sweden. And he's not an intellectual lightweight, the man's got a PhD in scientific methodology. So now Assange and Wikileaks are being conflated with Scandinavian extremist terrorism? Nice.

By all accounts, his recent extradition appeal hearing went very well for him. The decision is pending but expected soon:

http://wikileaksaustraliancitizensallia ... ge-lawyer/

[justdrew]

Don't know offhand, but...

I certainly don't take Webster Tarpley at face value, but one interesting tidbit from his article:

"In early November 2010, the Oslo television channel TV2 exposed the existence of an extensive network of paid assets and informants of US intelligence recruited from the ranks of retired police and other officials. The ostensible goal of this program was the surveillance of Norwegians who were taking part in demonstrations and other activities critical of the United States and its policies. One of the Norwegians recruited was the former chief of the anti-terror section of the Oslo police.7" http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-te ... alse-flag/

Right. So- not only did Norway just opt out of the failing NATO mission in Libya, but Norway is the prime embodiment of a model democratic socialism that imo is being viewed favorably across the world. It has innocence, charm, universal health care, and only 40 murders a year. What better way to send a blow- both direct and psychological- to progressive socialism than mass-murdering the children of its leadership. What could possibly be more evil? Cui Bono? The entire global fascist capitalist apparatus. Neo-nazis are used as patsies.

those revelations are covered elsewhere too, I remember hearing about it.

So now the most likely puppetmaster points right back where expected, good ol' fascist USA.

[MacCruiskeen]

Breivik asks for access to Wikileaks?!

More suspects arrested?!

Anyone know if this is a credible news source?

Links to original and Google translate version below:


STILLER KRAV: FULFILLING REQUIREMENTS: Persons charged with terrorist Anders Behring Breivik

Plutonia, I think Dagbladet is the newspaper in Norway with the biggest circulation, and from what little I've seen of it, it looks better and less sensationalist than most tabloids, as far as I can judge. But of course this week was an unusually serious week.

Google Translate is really handy, and I myself have used it for Norwegian articles over the last few days; but, as you no doubt know, it's sometimes also really dodgy. Anyway, fwiw (and - caveat lector! - I do hope some Norwegians or Swedes will correct me if I've got anything badly wrong here):

"TERRORSIKTERE Anders Behring Breivik" doesn't means "Persons charged with terrorist Anders Behring Breivik" (it's not a plural! they're not saying anyone was charged along with him!) but simply "Charged with terrorism: Anders Behring Breivik".

"STILLER KRAV" doesn't mean "fulfils requirements", it means "makes demands" or "sets out his conditions".

So a correctly-translated caption in idiomatic English would read (something like):

"MAKING DEMANDS: Anders Behring Breivik, charged with terrorist crimes."

And yes, he's behaving like a petty potentate, demanding to wear his uniform at the hearing and demanding to read from his "manifesto" (though this time, apparently, in Norwegian), etc. Most of these demands have been turned down.

I presume that's a photo of him when he was very young, maybe about sixteen*, with the other faces pixillated because they were classmates or friends who shouldn't now be tarred by association. ON EDIT: In fact it could actually be him as an altar-boy in church.

*What a terrible decline. He was a good-looking, sensitive-looking kid. What happened?

____

NB I don't speak Norwegian! BUT! I am not talking completely out of my arse. Swedish is very close and I learned some rudimentary Swedish more than 20 years ago, then hardly used it. But my German's fluent, I have visited Sweden a few times (though not recently), and Swedish & Norwegian contain a lot of words easily understandable to German-speakers once you know the pronunciation rules plus a little grammar and a few basic idioms.

So that's where I'm at. I don't want to pretend to a fluency, or even a competence, I don't have. But I think it's pretty much right what I've said here, and I hope RI's resident Scandinavians will come down on me like WTC7 if I've in any way misled you (or myself) here.

(Edited to add postscript, add "altar-boy" speculation, and correct typos.)

[eyeno]

just throwing this in the archive pile, it is a very intresting read, ol flip flipped his car and there is a lot of money involved

http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/26/dea ... r-attacks/

DEADLINE LIVE EXCLUSIVE: Who Are The Bankers That Benefit From The Norway Terror Attacks?

July 26, 2011 by supermario
Filed under Featured, World
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Why the Norway terror attacks have more to do with international banks and a failed carbon tax scam than with a crazed racist man… By Mario Andrade
DeadlineLive.info

July 26, 2011



Last week’s terror attacks in Norway shattered the heart of a peace-loving society, which up until this point, was considered a model for other societies to follow. Despite their socialist form of government, Norwegians cherish their sovereignty and independence. Some say their standard of living is one of the best in the world. Perhaps is due to the fact that their government still represents their interests. They chose not to be part of the European Union in two different referendums some time ago because they know their history; they have been dominated by foreign governments in the past and they don’t want their old problems to return.

One of the terror suspects was a crazed man by the name of Anders Behring Breivik. He was the son of a nurse and a Norwegian diplomat who used to work at the London embassy. The media is reporting that Breivik was an anti-immigration islamophobe and a supporter of the PPP/C or People’s Progress Party/Civic. The PPP/C has been labeled as an ‘extremist organization’ by the EU Police or Europol along with other political parties (that happen to be opposed to ‘mainstream’ trade or immigration policies) throughout Europe. Despite being labeled as extremists, the Progress Party is still gaining political momentum, and is still winning elections. Odd isn’t it?

Yesterday, alleged terrorist Breivik had his day in court, and just as he started to mention that he had accomplices in the attacks, the judge silenced him and order him to 4 weeks in isolation before his trial. Why? Wouldn’t the people of Norway have a right to know who helped that crazed man carry out the terror attacks? It is obvious that he had assistance; the attacks had to require some level of sophistication and professional planning. But rather than focusing on Breivik’s background, because we may never know the whole truth about him, let’s examine who benefits from these horrendous attacks.

Last year, during the Cancun Global ‘Climate Change Summit, the Norway government, headed by Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, leader of the Labour Party, agreed to participate in a carbon tax pilot program, endorsed by the UN and George Soros. The program is called REDD, which is acronym for ‘Reduced Emissions from Deforestation and forest Degradation.’ In this carbon tax program, Norway would send anywhere from $250 million (U.S. Dollars) to $500 million from Norwegian tax payers to the government of Guyana in South America in order to promote rainforest conservation programs. The money would be collected by the World Bank, then siphoned trough the Inter-American Bank of Development to eventually reach the government of Guyana.

However, instead of using the money to ‘save the trees’ of the Amazon rainforest, the Guyana government and the Inter American Bank of Development decided to use the carbon tax money to build a hydro-electric dam called the Amalia Falls Project. Upon receiving the money, the Guyanan government granted a contract to a company called Synergy Holdings Inc., headed by a shady character by the name of Makeshwar Motilall, aka Fip or Flip.

Not too long after that, the local Guyana media accused Motilall of being a fraud. They also found out that the office for Synergy Holdings was an abandoned old house. Fip began to take money from the cookie jar and failed to report where he was spending it. Five million dollars of contract money disappeared. The scandal in Guyana began. The Norwegian Progress Party party, which was against this project from the beginning, began to mobilize to stop all funding for it. They wrote an open letter criticizing the project and the Labour Party, and the fact that they are denouncing this carbon tax scam for what it really is has helped them gain political power.

The Guyana government backpedaled and announced they gave the contract to another company called Sithe Global, which is owned by the Rothchild-family-controlled Blackstone Group. Fip’s contract was downgraded to only build the roads leading to the dam. However, the Norwegian Progress Party still wasn’t convinced.

Then later, under mysterious circumstances, ‘Fip’ Motilall attempted to ‘commit suicide’ in Palm Beach, Florida on July of 2010. He was taken to a mental health clinic for phychological treatment. A few months later, he went back to Guyana and his vehicle flipped (no pun intended) and went over a 40-foot cliff, but yet, he survived! Talk about a cockroach that won’t die!

Overall, the carbon tax pilot program was a failure and a major embarrassment for the Norwegian government, the international banks, and the government contractors involved in that scam. Forget the money; they have all the money in the world. This was supposed to be their pilot program and it failed! As a result, the People’s Progress Party became the number one obstacle for the carbon tax promoters. The EU Police (Europol) began to label them as terrorists. Their Facebook page was hacked earlier this month. Then suddenly, last Friday, a terrorist (who happens to be a Progress Party supporter) by the name of Anders Behring Breivik bombs the government building and kills a bunch of socialist kids in an island. The news media outlets worldwide have been unleashed and they are accusing those who support the Progress Party of being extremists, racists, islamophobes and even terrorists. Using the media propaganda as a tool, these terror attacks have effectively neutralized the Progress Party and their supporters, those who ‘deny’ climate change, those who oppose illegal immigration, higher taxes and the outsourcing of jobs. In the eyes of the world, these people are now terrorists for agreeing with Anders Behring Breivik. So now they won’t have any political leverage to oppose the carbon tax programs.

[eyeno]

no opinion, just another one for the thread archive

Predictive Programming: Captain America Blockbuster scripts attack on Norway before it happens?

http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/24/pre ... t-happens/