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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:12 pm

Stoke Mandeville 'ignored complaints about fiend Savile': Senior staff knew that young victims were suffering abuse, claims report - 25 February 2015

One woman told the inquiry that she was abused aged eight when she had 144 stitches across the lower part of her body as a result of surgery for cancer.

She said that when she raised her complaint with a ward sister, she was met with the response: ‘Be quiet, you silly girl. Do you realise how much he has done for the hospital?’

The victim, now in her 40s, said the abuse had ‘shaped’ her entire life.

She added: ‘I went into hospital an innocent young girl and I left damaged. I wish that I had possessed the strength back then to pursue him properly.


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Postby RocketMan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:55 am

They're studiously avoiding the implications of Savile's longstanding, close and even intimate relationship with the establishment and the House of Windsor... Quite a feat, really.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/f ... al-inquiry

Jimmy Savile was given free rein to sexually abuse 60 people, including seriously ill eight-year-olds, over two decades at Stoke Mandeville hospital due to his gold-plated status as a celebrity fundraiser, an inquiry has found.

The late BBC DJ was the subject of at least 10 complaints going back to 1992, but none were taken seriously or raised with senior managers, according to the NHS investigation.

The victims included a girl aged eight or nine raped 10 times by Savile when she visited the hospital where her relatives worked.

The report by Dr Androulla Johnstone and Christine Dent for the NHS Health and Social Care Advisory Service describes Savile as “an opportunistic predator who could also on occasions show a high degree of premeditation when planning attacks on his victims”.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:41 am

Savile 'abused 63 people at Stoke Mandeville Hospital' BBC News 26 February 2015

Jimmy Savile abused 63 people connected to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, but one formal complaint was ignored, an independent report has found.

It found Savile's reputation as a "sex pest" was an "open secret" among some staff - but allegations probably did not reach managers.

cont - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31637320

probably did not - sounds credible enough
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Postby RocketMan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:22 am

coffin_dodger » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:41 pm wrote:
Savile 'abused 63 people at Stoke Mandeville Hospital' BBC News 26 February 2015

Jimmy Savile abused 63 people connected to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, but one formal complaint was ignored, an independent report has found.

It found Savile's reputation as a "sex pest" was an "open secret" among some staff - but allegations probably did not reach managers.

cont - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31637320

probably did not - sounds credible enough


"Sex pest". WOULD it be possible for an official report into horrific abuse of children to not include such minimizing language... Probably not. :|
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:37 am

RocketMan wrote:"Sex pest". WOULD it be possible for an official report into horrific abuse of children to not include such minimizing language... Probably not. :|


At first I thought it was the BBC Pedo Apology Unit minimising the impact , but having checked the report -

http://www.speakingoutinvestigation.com/Downloads/Speaking%20out%20investigation/2902210_Investigation%20into%20the%20Association%20of%20Jimmy%20Savile%20with%20Stoke%20Mandeville%20Hospital.pdf

- it mentions 'sex pest' seven times (and once in the glossary)

'Sex pest' doesn't really do him justice.
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Postby slimmouse » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:41 pm

probably did not - sounds credible enough


Trust Good old Auntie :lol:

I was in the local tonight, and I can only imagine that as background satire they had CNN running, with the latest news that "Jihadi John" had been identified, but the US and UK iintelligence agencies were refusing to disclose the identity of this throat slitting monster.

There were various flashes of the monster, including one, apparently taken from the youtube accountt of ISIS.

I should add that in the accompanying news feeds were lines such as, Washington Post and BBC claim he is called Mazwani or something similar, with a degree or something in computer science, and that he has rich parents in London

My point?

A few weeks ago, I was having a conversation with a casual aquaintance, a fellow expat Brit, who told me that he listens to RT mostly these days, because to paraphrase,at least they dont insult his intelligence like our own media do.

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Big thanks to all for keeping this thread going............and ..... :backtotopic:
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Postby Hunter » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:23 pm

http://www.thejournal.ie/sexual-abuse-c ... =shortlink

‘One of the biggest scandals of our age’: MI5 accused of covering up sexual abuse.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:44 am

semper occultus » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:26 am wrote:
According to extracts from Myra Hindley’s diary quoted in Emlyn Williams’s Beyond Belief, she and Ian Brady were indeed regular punters at the New Elizabethan Ballroom at the now-demolished Belle Vue pleasure grounds, in Manchester’s Gorton district. She daydreamed about the two of them being billed as featured dancers there one day, and we know that they attended at least one of the many "Carnival Nights" hosted by the venue's resident DJ at the time, Jimmy Savile. Myra Hindley was a Gorton girl, living at her grandmother's house on Bannock Street. Savile’s big red fuck-off Rolls Royce was a local landmark, regularly parked on ostentatious display right outside the entrance.

[...]

Where and when Savile first met Brady, whether at HMP Parkhurst or at Broadmoor Hospital, is unclear.1 Savile was famously — now infamously — associated with hospitals and care homes, but not with prisons, yet he definitely pitched up at Parkhurst at least once. That may well be where he met Ronnie Kray for the first time as well.2 And it's definitely where he first met Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, before going on to deepen their friendship at Broadmoor. Savile would "drop in" for some old-school Pennine bonding with Sutcliffe in his cell. Yorkshire-born and Yorkshire-bred, strong in t' arm and a ball-pein hammer in t' yed.

All this is almost certainly a coincidence of little or no consequence, of course. Just because Jimmy Savile seems to have gone out of his way to break bread with two of the most notorious serial killers in British history doesn't necessarily mean he dug where they were coming from. Indeed, as a good Catholic lad and Knight Commander of the Order of St Gregory the Great, he may have just felt sorry for them. But if the Savile story that's still being teased out were a James Ellroy or David Peace novel, the critics would slate it for collapsing under the weight of all its laboured links and heavy-handed happenstance.

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/uncle-jim-cobley-and-all.html


Exposed: Jimmy Savile's warped sex crimes at Merseyside hospitals - 1 March 2015

The Sunday ECHO today reveals the full extent of the sickening abuse allegations made after pervert Jimmy Savile’s warped visits to Merseyside hospitals.

We expose for the first time the details of four sexual assaults said to have been committed by the paedophile TV and radio presenter.

Savile visited Moss Side Hospital in Maghull as often as four times a year in the 1970s and 1980s.

[...]

Moss Side, now part of the Ashworth high-security psychiatric unit where Moors murderer Ian Brady is caged, was one of many hospitals that Savile visited as a celebrity guest for prize-giving ceremonies, fund-raising events and performances.

Mersey Care, the trust that runs Ashworth, said in its report on the Savile allegations last year: “Investigators have been informed by interviewees that JS (Jimmy Savile) came as frequently as four times per year to Moss Side Hospital.

[...]

Savile’s next alleged offence at a Merseyside hospital came between 1984 and 1985.

The victim, Ms Y, was in her 20s at the time and a patient at Moss Side Hospital.


Not to say that this is "where and when Savile first met Brady" but 1984-85 matches up date-wise in terms of them both being in the same place.

"Brady was declared criminally insane in 1985, since when he has been confined in the high-security Ashworth Hospital."
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Postby Searcher08 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:08 pm

Ashworth Hospital Inquiry (1992)
investigated the circumstances surrounding four specimen untoward incidents:
a patient's sudden death, an alleged sexual assault by staff on a patient, and serious physical
assaults. The events spanned several years.

The Panel found:
A culture of denigration of patients
Frequent physical and mental bullying of patients by staff
Overt racist attitudes and staff membership of right wing, racist political groups
Victimisation and bullying of RCN members
Poor quality nursing care
Frequent use of seclusion as a punishment
A rigid, over restrictive regime
Circulation of hate mail and offensive literature to patients and victimised staff
Lack of therapeutic optimism, poor clinical team work

This really leapt out at me
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:02 pm

Searcher08 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:08 pm wrote:Ashworth Hospital Inquiry (1992)
investigated the circumstances surrounding four specimen untoward incidents:
a patient's sudden death, an alleged sexual assault by staff on a patient, and serious physical
assaults. The events spanned several years.

The Panel found:
A culture of denigration of patients
Frequent physical and mental bullying of patients by staff
Overt racist attitudes and staff membership of right wing, racist political groups
Victimisation and bullying of RCN members
Poor quality nursing care
Frequent use of seclusion as a punishment
A rigid, over restrictive regime
Circulation of hate mail and offensive literature to patients and victimised staff
Lack of therapeutic optimism, poor clinical team work

This really leapt out at me


Yeah... Note also the role of Cliff Graham, referenced in this paragraph of that article:

The special hospitals were run directly by the Home Office and staffed like prisons until 1948. They were then transferred to the Ministry of Health but did not join the new NHS, being managed directly by civil serv­ants. After increasing concern in the late 1980s about standards of care and security, the Special Hospitals Service Authority was established in 1989 to oversee the service at arm's length from the Department of Health. The undersecretary responsible for the service at that time, Cliff Graham, made no secret of his disquiet about the proposed continuation of a centralised management structure, but he felt it was a reasonable interim solution while the hospitals prepared themselves for greater self governance. One of the authority's main problems was to establish management control over a large group of staff that Mr Graham and others perceived to have a damaging influence on standards of care through their rigid, authoritarian, and denigrating attitudes to patients. A widely leaked internal report (the Olliff report, Depart­ment of Health, 1988, unpublished) suggested that, unless these staff members could be controlled, the only solution to the persistent problem of poor quality care was rapid closure of all three hospitals.


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The Broadmoor taskforce, which replaced the previous suspended management, was set up in August 1988.

The Earl of Dundee told the House of Lords that Savile was ‘devoting his considerable talents to ensuring that the hospital functions smoothly’.

Alan Franey, a taskforce member and later Broadmoor’s general manager, said: ‘Savile was appointed to the task force by Edwina Currie, but it would have been on the recommendation of civil servants. It was a bit odd.’

Cliff Graham, under-secretary at the Department of Health and an advocate for NHS change, recommended that Savile sit on the taskforce.

Former Broadmoor staff recall being called to meetings with the DJ.

Mr Franey said: ‘I had an unusual meeting in the Athenaeum Club in London [Jimmy Savile and Cliff Graham were present]... and I was persuaded that a move to Broadmoor would be a good career step.’

The late David Edmond, the first chairman of the Special Hospitals Service Authority (SHSA), recalled: ‘I [was] asked to a strange meeting at Stoke Mandeville Hospital with Cliff Graham, Jimmy Savile, a retired Department of Health senior civil servant and other department officials...’

One manager at the hospital reflected on Savile’s influence: ‘We were told that he was a valuable asset, that he was well thought of in high circles in the Department of Health and it was important we got on good terms and that we cultivated what he had to offer.

‘Cliff Graham quite explicitly told me those things and said much the same to David Edmond.’

Mr Franey added that Mr Graham was in favour of Savile. He said: ‘Savile’s connections were significant. Everyone knew of the close friendship between Margaret Thatcher, then prime minister, and Savile, whom she regularly invited to Chequers.’

There is no suggestion that Mr Franey or any of the civil servants and politicians had any knowledge of Savile’s abuse.
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Postby Twyla LaSarc » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:42 pm

FYI, There is a 2 page ad for the new Helen Mirren play (The Audience?) in the NYT today She does Liz better than Liz again. The other characters are Maggie and the crew from that era.

I'm sure they don't get into any of this, if they do, paint me suprised.
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Postby semper occultus » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:48 am

Swinging Sixties pop group 'attended Jimmy Savile paedophile brothel' according to secret police report

22:30, 6 April 2015 By Tom Pettifor

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sw ... ed-5469452

Scotland Yard tried to suppress 1964 document which told how band visited brothel along with "well known disc jockey'


A pop group was suspected of abusing girls at a paedophile brothel visited by Jimmy Savile, according to a secret police report.

The four-page document, which Scotland Yard tried to suppress, reveals how Savile and the unnamed band visited the flat in the 1960s.

The identities of the music stars aren’t revealed in the report, which was only released following a lengthy Freedom of Information battle.

It is also unclear whether the group visited with Savile, who was described as a “ well known disc jockey ”, or separately.

The report, marked “RESTRICTED”, was written by Detective Superintendent David Gray, the officer spearheading Operation Yewtree, the investigation into Savile and other celebrities suspected of sexual abuse.

Mr Gray examined the paedophile brothel case after it was highlighted by another official report in 2013 into what police knew about Savile’s abuse before he died.

Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary revealed that a man was jailed for two years for pimping two children’s home girls staying at the flat in Battersea, south west London. The HMIC report made not mention of the band visiting the flat.

Mr Gray found the intelligence in the 1964 ledger may have helped officers in 2003, when a victim contacted the force to reveal an attack by Savile in the 1970s.

The woman told police she was 15 when she was assaulted by the BBC star during a recording of Top Of The Pops.

The victim said she would make a witness statement but would only consider proceeding with a prosecution if other victims were found.

But the intelligence from 1964 wasn’t discovered because the records were never transferred to a computer database.

Years after Savile’s visits to the Battersea flat he became a regular visitor to the Duncroft school in Surrey, where the girls he is suspected of abusing in the Battersea flat had run away from.

Mr Gray’s report said of the 1964 ledger: “There is no evidence to suggest that as a result of this entry any investigation was or was not carried out.

“The reading of it is subjective in that we now know that Savile became a visitor at Duncroft some six years later between 1970 and 1978.

“However although Savile and a pop group were known to frequent that does not in itself show any linkage or grounds to investigate further, except with the benefit of hindsight.

“There would undoubtedly (have) been casepapers from that time, that may have been of assistance, but they are no longer available.”

The report added: “It would have provided useful background information to those officers who dealt with the 2003 allegation. But it would appear it was not transferred onto a digital format and hence not recorded on INI or PND [Police National Database].”

The report was only released following a lengthy FOI battle.
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Postby RocketMan » Wed May 20, 2015 7:58 am

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... se-inquiry

1,400 suspects in politician and celebrity child sex abuse inquiry

Officer leading Operation Hydrant inquiry says out of 1,433 alleged offenders 76 were politicians, 43 were from music industry and 135 were from TV, film or radio
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 20, 2015 8:10 am

RocketMan » Wed May 20, 2015 6:58 am wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/20/1400-suspects-operation-hydrant-politician-and-celebrity-child-sex-abuse-inquiry

1,400 suspects in politician and celebrity child sex abuse inquiry

Officer leading Operation Hydrant inquiry says out of 1,433 alleged offenders 76 were politicians, 43 were from music industry and 135 were from TV, film or radio


^^Just one of the reasons people have started calling it Westmonster.

76 were politicians, 43 were from music industry and 135 were from TV, film or radio


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