Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:30 am

Wi-Fi and Location Information. When you use Wi-Fi services we make available at MGM Resorts, we might collect information (directly or through third parties) about the websites you visit, the type of device and browser you are using, your device identification number, your precise physical location, bandwidth used, session time, etc. Even if you choose not to use Wi-Fi services we make available at MGM Resorts, we may still collect information concerning the precise physical location of your mobile device within and around MGM Resorts for non-marketing purposes. With notice or your consent (and regardless of whether you use Wi-Fi service we make available at MGM Resorts), we might also collect information about the precise physical location of your mobile device within and around MGM Resorts for marketing purposes.


Any hotels that use "intelligent" wifi management servers could do this. My company works with one that captures your device(s) by type, name (Harold's Ipad, etc.), MAC address, etc., and it can also monitor wired connections. The DHCP server can track connections, and every connected device is listed by MAC address. I'm not surprised that hotels in Vegas would be utilizing this information for purposes other than management.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Mulligan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:01 am

chump » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:35 am wrote:The strange thing about Erin C Rouse is that he's married to... Dublin California School Board Trustee Megan Rouse, and the weird thing about that is "Megan's father is... John Podesta.[/url]


This seems like BS. Any proof? Why would someone who lives in Dublin, CA be married to a Las Vegas based FBI agent?

The conspiracy theory appears to have started out as a case of mistaken identity – Podesta has a daughter named Megan Rouse, so people assumed the FBI agent was Podesta’s son-in-law.

His real son-in-law, however, is Gordon Rouse. The Daily Caller News Foundation found plenty of WikiLeaks emails linking Gordon to the Podesta family and reached out to him. Gordon confirmed to TheDCNF that he’s married to Podesta’s daughter and in no way related to the FBI agent.

http://checkyourfact.com/2017/10/11/fac ... on-in-law/
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:07 am

Thank you Stefano! :thumbsup

stefano » 16 Oct 2017 06:46 wrote:
Asta » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:16 pm wrote:Has there been any mention anywhere that someone, anyone noticed falling glass from the 32nd floor windows?

I apologize if this has been brought up in a prior post, but I have not heard any mention of anyone witnessing broken glass raining down in the hotel parking lot or sidewalks or wherever. I find it odd.

Yes, in the bus stop video the people (who are right in front of the Mandalay Bay) talk of glass falling and say the shots are being fired from high up in the hotel. They also take cover in a way to keep them out of sight of that position.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:25 pm

Heaven Swan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:11 am wrote:
stickdog99 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:04 am wrote:
Heaven Swan » 16 Oct 2017 00:40 wrote:Laura Loomer a journalist who we should respect and waste our time on? I may have missed it Stick, but what did you think about Opperman's investigation (from page 22)? Did you ever listen to it? He is some sort of former cop who lives in LV and knows a lot of local people including hotel security.

This thread is depressing.


Yeah, that was real ground breaking "nothing to see here but murderous Muslims" stuff. Right up your alley?


That's an absolute lie. Opperman's podcast had nothing to do with Muslims. He reports on conspiracies. I don't think you even listened to it.

AJ, Loomer, gun obsessed MRA's and their fans here at RI want to defend this psycho at all costs.


You really have some cheek. It doesn't make up for having no logic, no argument, and nothing to add to the discussion except a dumb insistence that HE DUNNIT (you know this how, exactly?) plus childish insults ("their fans here at RI").

Heaven Swan wrote:Can't you see the malignant super-sickness that is engulfing this country? No. Because you're part of it.


Tone down the purple prose a notch, please, it's making my eyes bleed. I, for one, am nowhere near your country. You are, though, right? So you are, literally, part of it, though of course you are personally immune to the malignant super-sickness that is engulfing the less discerning creatures who surround you. Unlike them plebs, you are excruciatingly sensitive and blessed with privileged insight into the guilt of dead suspects presented to you on a plate by your trusted spooks, cops and media, none of whom, apparently, have anything to do with the hyper-materialistic, militaristically male-supremist empire you affect to worry about.

Heaven Swan wrote:Paddock is a symptom, the perfect metaphor for our hyper-materialistic, militaristically male-supremist empire gasping and writhing in what I hope are its' death throes.


This is bullshit in the precise sense defined by Prof. Harry G. Frankfurt. Stephen Paddock is neither a symptom nor a metaphor but a dead human being who will never stand trial. That hyper-materialistic, militaristically male-supremist empire of yours is far more convincingly embodied in the cops, spooks and media drones whose words you never once question. Indeed, you object to their words being questioned, or even looked at closely. You find it "depressing".

Heaven Swan wrote:This thread is depressing.


It would be, for you. Because it harshes your buzz.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:38 pm

When can we expect to see a Special Investigative Report by Amy Goodman Goodperson Goodsalary? The world is waiting, though not with bated breath.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Project Willow » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:30 pm

stickdog99 » 15 Oct 2017 22:04 wrote:
Heaven Swan » 16 Oct 2017 00:40 wrote:Laura Loomer a journalist who we should respect and waste our time on? I may have missed it Stick, but what did you think about Opperman's investigation (from page 22)? Did you ever listen to it? He is some sort of former cop who lives in LV and knows a lot of local people including hotel security.

This thread is depressing.


Yeah, that was real ground breaking "nothing to see here but murderous Muslims" stuff. Right up your alley?


Please don't discount Opperman, Stickdog. He's interviewed just about everyone who is a half way sane researcher on a variety of conspiracy topics including Nick Bryant, Kris Milligan, Daniel Hopsicker, Hank Alabarelli, Tim Tate, and well, too many to name frankly. He's got an upcoming interview with Craig McGowen (Dave's brother), and last year he interviewed Ellen Lacter about RA/MC. He's just tired of being pestered by the "no-planes" wing of conspiracy culture, and he's there on the ground in LV, so it's an emotional ordeal as well. Seriously, give him a chance.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Project Willow » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:40 pm

On another note, what I found depressing was a lengthy thread on Mark Crispin Miller's FB about crisis actors and staged drills, linked to Paul Craig Robert's blog with posts of letters from trauma surgeons claiming that the victims covered in the media could not have actually been shot. I guess no one in that group considered that if indeed there were actors portraying victims in the media that this has nothing to do with the nature of the event and everything to do with contemporary, slick manufacture of propaganda.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:49 pm

Watched parts of the Planet Hollywood (near the Bellagio) witness video, also Loomer's interview with the husband and wife (Mandalay Concert), and finally the Austin & Patrick (New York, New York) video.

Loomer really talked too much, and seemed to want to guide the husband and wife into multiple shooter territory. It was evident that the wife was very upset and unhappy with the official story, and wanted more proof of Paddocks guilt before feeling more at ease. Both her and her husband (who were in separate groups, and re-united 2 days later) felt the gunshots get closer as they ran away from the Mandalay, over fences and into the airstrip, similar to other witnesses. They felt that they were being herded or pursued by gunman/gunmen, who were firing in the parking lots. This is similar to other witnesses. The husband feels that all 8 in his group felt the same way. They didnt see a shooter, and would be willing to believe the official story if authorities would provide the actual proof of paddock being the shooter. Perhaps the sensation of there being more than one shooter, or being pursued, was due to the chaos and shock of being in that environment? Ed Opperman believes that the sounds of the gunfire being everywhere (and pursuing people?), could be due to the stage mic still being on, and the sound being fed through the P.A. system. IIRC, The only witness so far in this thread that states that actually they saw a shooter is Gio Rios, who clearly saw muzzle fire outside near NY NY casino. Gio's girlfriend testifies to this.
The wife in the video also saw someone falling after the first initial shots before the machine gun fire started, which she said might have been mistaken for fireworks.

The Austin and Patrick video. One of them was in NY NY casino, when their brother felt that he heard gunfire. This was at the same time that many people near them must of heard the same thing, and thought the same thing, since a panic started in NY NY, and they all ran and hid away. He now believes that it was (probably) not gunfire.

The lady in Planet Hollywood, is adamant that she heard very loud gunfire over the noises of the casino in Planet Hollywood which caused panic there, including her leaving $168 winnings inside her slot machine. That it was way too close to be from Mandalay (1.8 miles away). She thinks that it is the same shots that the woman in Bellagio allegedly heard. The lady in Planet Hollywood came back to Planet Hollywood the next day and talked to an employee there. The one employee saw her ticket date, and asked if she was there during the commotion the day before, and she said yes, that talked about what happened, that employee turns back to another employee and goes "See, I told you so!". Evidently, casinos told employees to not talk about the commotion.

Someone just posted this video of their friend gambling in Planet Hollywod at the same time that day, on her youtube comments, to back up what she experienced. You can clearly see that he started the video right as the commotion/panic/people fleeing is starting in Planet Hollywood:

https://www.facebook.com/dioakim/videos ... =3&theater


I listened to Ed Oppermans (who I respect a lot) video a while back, went back over pertinant parts of it. Based on what I have seen/heard so far, I feel that shots may have been fired near Planet Hollywood/Bellagio, but it could just as well been a panicked COP, or open carry civilian. His view that Campos may have been shot by incompetent cops also has some merit.
Shots allegedly heard and panicking people in NYNY, seems to correlate with Gio & his Gf allegedly witnessing muzzle fire near that casino. Not sure on timelines here, obviously.

Perhaps shots were fired on purpose for effect, or more panicked shooting, if indeed Gio & Gf were not mistaken? idk.

Interesting that Ed's video has this on it:
"People watching this video and reading the comments below should be aware that this information is being systematically attacked by recently created youtube accounts.
This is not ordinary trolling. There is an agenda to suppress the facts presented in this report and continue to circulate false information. There are many youtube videos that are purposely circulating false and debunked information and theories.
This effort is systematic. It is not random kooks and trolls.
"
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:50 pm

MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:25 pm wrote:
Heaven Swan wrote:This thread is depressing.


It would be, for you. Because it harshes your buzz.


Dial it back about 40%, bud, thank you. Be more magnanimous.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:57 pm

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Brentos » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:49 pm wrote:Perhaps the sensation of there being more than one shooter, or being pursued, was due to the chaos and shock of being in that environment? Ed Opperman believes that the sounds of the gunfire being everywhere (and pursuing people?), could be due to the stage mic still being on, and the sound being fed through the P.A. system. IIRC, The only witness so far in this thread that states that actually they saw a shooter is Gio Rios, who clearly saw muzzle fire outside near NY NY casino. Gio's girlfriend testifies to this.


This may be an absurd question, as there appears to be little incentive by the authorities to initiate this (unless driven by future/pending litigation or class action), but has there been any wound ballistics performed on the victims, or plans to do so? This can theoretically confirm the entrance/exit trajectories of the bullet wounds on the victims, and in turn, the source location(s) of the weapon(s) fired, among other details.

Also (apply the standard disclaimer about information found on the internet):
In one of the earlier youtube videos posted, a few individuals in the comments section (claiming to be military vets) seemed convinced the gunfire (as recorded in the video) originated from an M60 or similar weapon. I saw prior references to modified weaponry found in the room but haven't come across a listing yet of weaponry (from my to-this-point cursory review of info available online) that can mimic the rapid-fire blurts of an M60, assuming the youtube comments were genuine.
(Even if the comments were genuine, it doesn't necessarily mean those commenting were correct in their assessment, of course -- sound can be manipulated/distorted, advertently or inadvertently, prior, during or after a given recording).
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:29 pm

Yeah, more convincing evidence by authorities of their story wasa source of tbe wife's paranoia in the loomer video.

the one YouTube video on the firing was created by someone with evidently much expertise with auto firing weapons, along with commenters with military experience. That it was not an ar15.
Authorities said he had the ar15 bump stocked,evidently that can change rate of fire, and it can hold 100 rounds. So the amount of rounds fired continuously at least wouldnt rule out a modified ar15. Have no idea about guns myself.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:36 pm

Project Willow » 16 Oct 2017 19:30 wrote:
stickdog99 » 15 Oct 2017 22:04 wrote:
Heaven Swan » 16 Oct 2017 00:40 wrote:Laura Loomer a journalist who we should respect and waste our time on? I may have missed it Stick, but what did you think about Opperman's investigation (from page 22)? Did you ever listen to it? He is some sort of former cop who lives in LV and knows a lot of local people including hotel security.

This thread is depressing.


Yeah, that was real ground breaking "nothing to see here but murderous Muslims" stuff. Right up your alley?


Please don't discount Opperman, Stickdog. He's interviewed just about everyone who is a half way sane researcher on a variety of conspiracy topics including Nick Bryant, Kris Milligan, Daniel Hopsicker, Hank Alabarelli, Tim Tate, and well, too many to name frankly. He's got an upcoming interview with Craig McGowen (Dave's brother), and last year he interviewed Ellen Lacter about RA/MC. He's just tired of being pestered by the "no-planes" wing of conspiracy culture, and he's there on the ground in LV, so it's an emotional ordeal as well. Seriously, give him a chance.


I just don't find his "I looked into this a lot; trust me. Now I'm done because it isn't worth the grief." verdict convincing.

He is clearly searching any possible reason to believe Paddock and Paddock alone did this. Personally, I am not caught up in whether there was more than one shooter. Whether all of those reports of other shooters on the police scanner were ruses or even part of a pre-planned drill does not change the fact that they had the intended effect of dividing the LVPD's Zebra SWAT team and perhaps ensuring that only some handpicked members showed up on Mandalay's 32nd floor.

I am fully prepared to believe Opperman that 90%+ of the most viewed youtube conspiracy theories about this event are total bullshit, including several that I previously linked on this thread. But nothing Opperman said was relevant to my concerns, which are whether Paddock is actually guilty of the crime he has been convicted of and whether the FBI/LVPD are lying about their response to this shooting. If I missed some evidence relevant to this that he provided that is not already on this thread, please tell me the timestamp and I will listen more carefully. I admit that I got bored with his rambling and listened to the last 30 minutes while I was doing paperwork.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:35 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:57 pm wrote:.
Brentos » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:49 pm wrote:Perhaps the sensation of there being more than one shooter, or being pursued, was due to the chaos and shock of being in that environment? Ed Opperman believes that the sounds of the gunfire being everywhere (and pursuing people?), could be due to the stage mic still being on, and the sound being fed through the P.A. system. IIRC, The only witness so far in this thread that states that actually they saw a shooter is Gio Rios, who clearly saw muzzle fire outside near NY NY casino. Gio's girlfriend testifies to this.


This may be an absurd question, as there appears to be little incentive by the authorities to initiate this (unless driven by future/pending litigation or class action), but has there been any wound ballistics performed on the victims, or plans to do so? This can theoretically confirm the entrance/exit trajectories of the bullet wounds on the victims, and in turn, the source location(s) of the weapon(s) fired, among other details.

Also (apply the standard disclaimer about information found on the internet):
In one of the earlier youtube videos posted, a few individuals in the comments section (claiming to be military vets) seemed convinced the gunfire (as recorded in the video) originated from an M60 or similar weapon. I saw prior references to modified weaponry found in the room but haven't come across a listing yet of weaponry (from my to-this-point cursory review of info available online) that can mimic the rapid-fire blurts of an M60, assuming the youtube comments were genuine.
(Even if the comments were genuine, it doesn't necessarily mean those commenting were correct in their assessment, of course -- sound can be manipulated/distorted, advertently or inadvertently, prior, during or after a given recording).


In watching the videos of the folks desperately leaving the concert grounds , I was surprised that the PA system was not used by security in a manner to lessen the chaos. Seems like that would be part of a general Safety Plan for that sort of event.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:15 pm

PufPuf93 wrote:In watching the videos of the folks desperately leaving the concert grounds , I was surprised that the PA system was not used by security in a manner to lessen the chaos. Seems like that would be part of a general Safety Plan for that sort of event.


Right this came up earlier in regards to why didn't they cut the lights.
But what would the protocol be for unidentified shooters from unidentified areas?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:30 pm

Heaven Swan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:11 am wrote: Can't you see the malignant super-sickness that is engulfing this country?
..............................................................
Paddock is a symptom, the perfect metaphor for our hyper-materialistic, militaristically male-supremist empire gasping and writhing in what I hope are its' death throes.


I agree with this even if Paddock himself is innocent.

Don't let the bastards get you down Heaven Swan.
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