Rense is a Nazi scumbag

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I thought everybody knew Crowley was involved with the intelligence services from day one. In true Crowleyian style, he couldn't keep his mouth shut about it, and more or less boasted of the fact continuously from the start. That was probably the point where they decided he wasn't cut out for the diplomatic service - "Hey, everybody! Look at me! I'm a big cool spy! I'm spying on everybody!!"

So they changed his function to something more appropriate: - "Im in ur bases, doin ur rituals."

He was a total bawbag an 'all. (Last use of that word, MacCruiskeen, I promise - but yes, it's nice to see it here).

Eldritch makes a good point. The stories about Crowley using magic to fight the Nazis (most notably by "drawing" Rudolf Hess to Scotland) were mainly told by Crowley himself. And Crowley's major magical achievements seem to strangely pre-date, with amazing accuracy, his plunges into monetary debt.

Last bawbag of the night: Rense. Yup, it's the hair. He looks like a character portrait from an old Might and Magic game. On mainstream forums I have seen very well constructed arguments destroyed by a link to that site. If there is something worth quoting on Rense, trace it back to the original source. If you quote it from his site they will not have to work very hard at destroying you.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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Reading what you posted, Professor Pan, I kept getting little shocks, like those electric shocks that guy used to train pigeons (I can't remember his name right now...Jenner?). That's what got me thinking.

Most posters here could do a lot better in terms of style and form, let alone substance. Yet he chose to post these almost cartoonish pieces rather than serious articles (you know, with names, dates, sources, etc). As though to intentionally taint other things he publishes.

You're assuming he's sincere. Maybe, maybe not. I've learned, especially on the web, that not everybody is who or what they claim to be.
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Rense is either a kook or a psy-op. I vote for the latter.

I'd vote the same, Alice.

I've figured out that there are fake anti-semitic sites that are dangles to get people to use their information and so doing contaminate themselves and the information at the same time.

Rense seems to be the oldest site doing this, one of the original 'conspiracy culture' sites that many stumbled into eventually in the 1990s. The internet was pre-loaded with disinfo traps like landmines once it was opened up for civilian traffic.

Other anti-semitic dangles which especially got out in front on 9/11Truth info-
>American Free Press
>Arctic Beacon
>TheTruthSeeker.co.uk

Just ask Pan about dangles. He's fascinated by them as his sig quote shows.

[justdrew]

thread resurrected as an example

[American Dream]

From Alex Constantine's Blacklist:

Mentally-Lazy Lowlife Defends Holocaust Denier David Icke

"Shannon" writes:

Q: "icke not a holocaust denier; where did you get that crap?"

A: From David Icke, of course, you poor, functionally-illiterate wanker:

"Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history." - David Icke, The Robot's Rebellion

For more explicit denial, I refer the idiotic, blustery followers of David Icke to his own Holocaust-denying compost pile ("Shannon" seems to be incapabe of doing a Google search, but that's about par for a lizard-like Icke fan):


[The offending article is linked to from Alex Constantine's website here- I won't provide here a link directly to it.]


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[OP ED]

the fact that i hate Icke even more than i hate Constantine, and for similar reasons doesn't remove my annoyance with having to go two sites over to read something considered incriminating.

it is a further demonstration of AC's uselessness that he manages not to even pick an article actually written by Icke...

and Schindler's list was an anti-jew piece of shit film. bad art. if it hadn't been in black and white it wouldn't have fooled anyone.

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[here is the article AC links to, btw]

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Holocaust Denial And Uncomfortable Truths

By Robin Davis

06 June, 2009
Countercurrents.org

It has always been those few who can see through the political correctness and hypocrisy of popular attitudes who are considered dangerous.

"Holocaust denial laws" are now in place in about a dozen countries. Defenders of these laws claim that the expression of unconventional views about the Jewish genocide is "hate speech" and "incitement to violence" and therefore must be suppressed.

But history shows the greatest purveyors of lies, hatred and incitement to violence are those with the power to spread their poison by manipulating popular opinion via the control or complicity of the mass media. Through a purposefully constructed lens of political correctness the despicable becomes normal. It is by this insidious process that tyrants make it normal and acceptable to murder those whom they consider threatening or inferior. We have only to turn on the television to see that process at work.

It is not the unpopular views we should fear but the popular.

When the suppression of free speech serves no purpose other than to silence unconventional opinions we should be alarmed. We should be even more alarmed when to question oppressive laws is to risk vilification, in this case by the smear of "Holocaust denier" and "anti-Semite".

Appropriation of the term "The Holocaust" to the Nazi extermination of the Jews minimises the significance of other genocides, including those that are happening right now. Should these crimes also be closed to opinions that question the accuracy of the official "truth"?

Stifling open discussion and debate also does an injustice to the other millions of victims of the Nazi concentration camps: the Roma, Blacks, Polish and Russian prisoners, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals and the mentally and physically disabled. It sidelines the slave labourers starved, beaten and worked to death in German war industries and the horrors suffered by anyone expressing anti-Nazi views.

It is likely that most people regard the real deniers of the Jewish genocide - the ones who say the extermination crimes never happened at all - in the same light as those who espouse any number of other oddball ideas. Do we need laws to protect us from those who make obviously unsupportable claims?

The real threat posed by "deniers" is that others might be influenced to undertake serious study and uncover embarrassing facts that would refute Israel's "victim" status. This would threaten Israel's moral legitimacy, underpinned by the world's collective shame for looking the other way. All it takes to invoke that shame is the term anti-Semite, either stated or implied.

But opinions that question the widely accepted WWII Jewish genocide history are not anti-Semitic any more than opinions that question the accepted history of the Ukraine genocide (1) are anti-Russian. That we are led to label any deviation from the official history as "Holocaust denial" and "Holocaust denial" as anti-Semitism is no accident. It has come about by the same semantic sleight of hand that would have us believe anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same. They are not.

Many Christians are Zionists while many Jews throughout the world, perhaps even the majority, are anti-Zionist. Anti-Zionism has nothing to do with persecution of the Jews. It is simply anti-racism and anti-colonialism as applied to the occupation of Palestine and the subjugation of its indigenous population. (2)

When anyone goes to great lengths to stifle open inquiry and debate on any subject, alarm bells should ring. Invariably the motivation is suppression of uncomfortable truths. The uncomfortable truth of the Jewish genocide is that millions of lives would certainly have been saved had it been the priority of the Zionist leadership to save them. Their priority instead was establishment of the state of Israel. And then, as now, the suffering of Europe's Jews and the world's collective guilt was exploited to that end. (3)

Ironically, when millions of refugees were trying to escape from Europe before the war, and even while the genocide was in progress, prominent leaders of the Zionist movement were "Holocaust deniers". When the truth could no longer remain hidden, the Zionist leadership opposed attempts to save the European Jews though financial and humanitarian aid and emigration. The exception was migration to Palestine, and even the relative few who were saved were selected not according to their plight but according to their perceived value to the future state of Israel.

One proposal by 270 members of the British Parliament, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany during the height of the killings, was to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe and resettle them in British colonies. This offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation, "Only to Palestine!" (3)

It is clear from the statements and actions of the Zionist leadership that they considered the suffering of the European Jews advantageous in securing future international support for the establishment of the Zionist state.

Shocking? That uncomfortable truth is well documented for those who care or dare to study the subject.

Throughout history Jews, like many other minorities, have indeed been persecuted, but the modern state of Israel never was the victim. Since its inception it has been the coloniser, aggressor, tormentor and oppressor. Exploiting the memory of Hitler's victims to perpetuate the myth of "victim Israel" is cynical. To do so while attacking its neighbours and inflicting Nazi-style state terrorism, apartheid and genocide on the Palestinians is cynical in the extreme.

While "deniers" are jailed for expressing unacceptable views, the real criminals - those responsible for the agony and death of millions - manipulate popular opinion to make crimes against humanity, war crimes, contempt for international law and indifference to human suffering seem normal and acceptable. And they do so with impunity.

(1) http://www.bigeye.com/111703.htm
(2) http://pilger.carlton.com/page.asp?partid=519
(3) http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
rabbi_quotes/weissmandl.cfm

[American Dream]

Here also is the text from the David Icke site which links to the article immediately above:

Monday, 08 June 2009
Holocaust Denial And Uncomfortable Truths

[Graphic omitted, as I think linking to the image boosts their Google rankings]

'It has always been those few who can see through the political correctness and hypocrisy of popular attitudes who are considered dangerous. "Holocaust denial laws" are now in place in about a dozen countries. Defenders of these laws claim that the expression of unconventional views about the Jewish genocide is "hate speech" and "incitement to violence" and therefore must be suppressed.

But history shows the greatest purveyors of lies, hatred and incitement to violence are those with the power to spread their poison by manipulating popular opinion via the control or complicity of the mass media. Through a purposefully constructed lens of political correctness the despicable becomes normal.

It is by this insidious process that tyrants make it normal and acceptable to murder those whom they consider threatening or inferior. We have only to turn on the television to see that process at work. It is not the unpopular views we should fear but the popular.'

Read more...


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[OP ED]

(thank you)

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i've read a bit of Icke, and i'm not sure if he's really racist or if he merely got in with the wrong crowd and repeats bullshit talking points he doesn't understand completely. i mean i know people like that, and sometimes you can help them. but he does it an awful lot of the on the line of hate speech stuff. its very distasteful at best.

if he isn't a hate filled dipshit, one of his droogies should tell him to watch himself and think about shit before he spews it.

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[sorry for my whining before]

[Penguin]

i've read a bit of Icke, and i'm not sure if he's really racist or if he merely got in with the wrong crowd and repeats bullshit talking points he doesn't understand completely. i mean i know people like that, and sometimes you can help them. but he does it an awful lot of the on the line of hate speech stuff. its very distasteful at best.

if he isn't a hate filled dipshit, one of his droogies should tell him to watch himself and think about shit before he spews it.

Yeah. I've read most of his books (just because I'm a fast reader and I obtained them free of charge off the nets) to see what he is about, and I can't take him seriously at all due to this issue, among others. In some book he also wrote rather nastily about the Roma, in a way I can only describe as racist. All his good ideas are also present elsewhere so I don't see any reason to defend him, or to give his views much weight.

Also, I seriously suspect people who say they have some massively important information and then charge money for it.

[lightningBugout]

[Ben D]

Hey OP ED, seems you've got a rise out of Alex Constantine!

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... es-me.html

[lightningBugout]

Ha ha. No offense OP ED. But is *is* funny....

[barracuda]

Ah well, that's a keeper. But there's no such thing as bad publicity. And nice to know you've got a few "asssociates" floating around here on the board, Mr. Ed.

I do recall Constantine posting here at least once.

[OP ED]

ha. alex constantine has too much time on his hands.

[OP ED]

Ah well, that's a keeper. But there's no such thing as bad publicity. And nice to know you've got a few "asssociates" floating around here on the board, Mr. Ed.

I do recall Constantine posting here at least once.

sounds like him.

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re: publicity:

btw, on account of being a lazy lowlife and not having much to worry about wrt the cares of thousands of adoring fanz, i may as well comment:

Posted by Alex Constantine at 9:52 AM

"Op Ed," who acknowledges that he "hates" me, posting at Rigorous Intuition, writes:

"It is a further demonstration of AC's uselessness that he manages not to even pick an article actually written by Icke... "

that is indeed part of what i said. thanks for linking to the thread though.

The author of this false and mentally-lazy critique (I quoted David Icke verbatim in the post, from a chapter in "The Robot's Rebellion," if my condescending detractor bothers to read actual words on the page) clearly needs glasses or basic reading lessons, and can't write a single true sentence ... but faults me for something I didn't do ... to arrive at the conclusion that I'm "useless."

actually i had already arrived at the conclusion that you are useless. more's the pity.


a reading of my original complaints makes it clear that they were centered on having to leave this site for information. [wonder why]

(my faulting of you had nothing whatsoever to do with your posted quote of RR)

i hate page jumping for narrative information like that, which is why i was further annoyed at the contextual implications of:

For more explicit denial, I refer the idiotic, blustery followers of David Icke to his own Holocaust-denying compost pile ("Shannon" seems to be incapabe of doing a Google search, but that's about par for a lizard-like Icke fan):

which seemed to be linking to more explicit dirt on Icke, but was in fact linking an article by Robin somethinerother.

(which also was the second time you called this "shannon" person, naive as they may've been, mean names without provocation. you also called the icky people blustery idiots, which is only true for about half of them, the rest are simply misguided)

which was my faulting of you, which was contextually correct.

Funny, but the London Observer didn't seem to think so when I was credited with having published one of "the best 50 books on music ever written. ... " And the many tumors I've warded off by writing in Hustler and elsewhere about the biological hazards of dust rDNA-based aspartame actually moved some who've healed from terminal illness to thank "useless" ol' me. Imagine that. What do they know? And the sister of Michael Hutchence didn't think I was completely useless when I explained to her how her brother was murdered. And the fans of Jimi Hendrix don't think so after I explained how the virtuoso died - confirmed nine years later by a Hendrix roadie ... and keyboardist Ray Manzarek didn't think so when he loudly defended my work, and even hugged me off-camera at the taping of a TV show about the death of Jim Morrison ... but why go on?

indeed.

last time you were here (among other things) you said:

(appeals to authority are generally verborten by my inner editor)

- Alex Constantine

and Frankly, although not as funny as your aside, when you stand before Our Lord on the Day of Judgement, He probably won't care what the London Observer has to say either.

I won't even explain the many death threats, physical assaults, frivolous lawsuits, or even the immense sacrifices that I've made fighting for Mr. "Op Ed"'s rights. There are some in the world, hard to believe, who don't consider me altogether useless.

of course not, but you'll mention them anyway.

Its good to talk about these sorts of things. Get them off your chest. Good to know you're not alone. Your life sounds eerily familiar, are you sure you're not a Detroiter?

But they must all be mistaken - "Op Ed" believes he has reason to "hate" me ...

okay, maybe for you hate was a strong word, but in my defense i actually meant it in more of a "i hate this television channel" sort of way and not so much in a "i hate david icke and his stupid ideas" sort of way, but you're making progress.

Okay. Why?:

because you're a bully and a blowhard. for starters.

I've written about satanic cults.

so has almost everyone here, but you don't see them whining about it. I guess they don't have to deal with the burden of thousands of adoring fans and endorsements from MSM outlets.

An asssociate of "Op Ed" informs us:

noted.

"OP ED, at least what I know of him from what he presents at Rigorous Intuition, is a hardcore Thelemite (not sure what organized faction he works with) who goes to Halloween parties with Satanists. He loves to fuck with the minds of survivors and to undermine ritual abuse narratives. Besides which, he's proud of his regular consumption of mind-altering phramaceuticals, which may explain how he spends long, long hours schmoozing up the denizens of that board."

indeed a lot of that is true. much of it is only an amateur armchair psychoanalysis. and not a very good one either.


here let's see:

Hardcore: check.

Thelemite: check.

OP ED is associated with many organized factions and is a member of a couple, also friends with a good many occultists of every shape size color and creed, also non-occultists, hell, even a republican or two.

Likes Halloween Parties: check.

mention something once and suddenly its gossip for thousands of scavengers along internet's underbelly.

yeah, halloween is big in Dtown, and i like candy. I go to like two dozen halloween parties every October. trust me, the satanists do not have the coolest party. they're like mostly boring nerdy people with a goth fetish and some Phil Hine books.

welcome to the average world.

i love to fuck with minds in general, especially my own. isn't that pretty normal?

and actually i always try to be nicer than average to the self-identifying survivor sort that i interact with on here, but sometimes i'm aggressive in general also we overt and outright occultists often give them and their advocates the creeps until they get to know us better. i am the enemy of abusers, their enablers, and those that poison the wells of discussion and information with half-truths, smears and sloppy insinuations. All these things detract from efforts to pin down the perpetrators of actual (S)RA/MC/etc and expose it and them to the harsh light of day.

i invite you and your thousands of fans to click my profile and follow the links to my posting footprint to examine my views in depth.

anyone of them who sticks around long enough will probably see someone, maybe one of my friends, link to threads where these themes have been discussed before eventually anyway. which is why this place is called what it is...

my positions are transparent and my contempt for criminal behaviors, especially of the extreme sort contained in these forums, could not be expressed more clearly than i've done already.

it is a testament to your shortsightedness that you would resort to such shameful tactics. dude, don't you have anything better to do?

"Pharmaceuticals?"

Yes. OP ED believes that humans are naturally designed to be capable of altering their consciousness, at will, both with and without chemical aids and that it is further unnatural for others to interfere with this process of personal evolution.

It is what could be called a basic human right, and i'll argue that with you, your grandma, and even the circuit court judge if necessary as an absolute principle from which i am not interested in retreating.

[not one step backwards]


(btw, i didn't know you were such a total republican talk show host about these sorts of basic rights issues)

as to my Schmoozing: check.

these people are beautiful, and i don't need drugs to see that.

maybe some of your fans will poke around for a bit and see what they've been missing...

What does Mr. "Op Ed" do for a living, btw? Why, he's a skilled, highly-trained janitor - and may actually be more useful sweeping floors than he is with reading and comprehension.

really?

you're going to insult me based on my socio-economic status?

i mean, REALLY?

(thanks again for linking me, btw)

what can i say? All we proles have to start somewhere. But the London Observer has never seen how gloriously redeemed i can make an industrial tiled floor, formerly filthy, reveal itself as having been on the inside all along. They shine so bright you can see yourself in them.

I'd much rather debate the issue with the proverbial dining room table, though, because a piece of furniture has to be smarter than this tool from the Motor City ...

plus you'll be able to hear your own voice much better that way.

There. Now I've given this rectal wart a good reason to "hate." All in a day's work.

how sad.

you see i come here to learn things about things and to interact with fascinating and intelligent human beings, hopefully eventually inter pares and with fuller understanding so that we might aid each other in accomplishing a higher purpose. My digressive faults are indeed deviations from this path, but i am never pleased with them in retrospect.

The next troll who thinks that I'm an easy target should consider the 3,000 readers a day who drift my way. All those readers will go away knowing who the idiot trolls are

i certainly hope so.

[Penguin]

Good one, OP ED.

"Pharmaceuticals?" What does Mr. "Op Ed" do for a living, btw? Why, he's a skilled, highly-trained janitor - and may actually be more useful sweeping floors than he is with reading and comprehension. I'd much rather debate the issue with the proverbial dining room table, though, because a piece of furniture has to be smarter than this tool from the Motor City ...

Some people have no respect for those who do all the shitty jobs.