Pittsburgh G20 Summit

[IanEye]

[brainpanhandler]

Hello? Anybody out there?

hi.

i'm always out here. just this is a marmot thread and i have a history with him myself, so i knew what would happen if i engaged him here. but i've been following this thread since about five minutes after he started it.

I tend to approach a thread in a variety of ways, depending on who posted the OP.
Also, whether or not the poster simply cut and pasted an article they didn't write, versus taking the time and care to actually start a post based on their own thoughts on an issue.
Sometimes I just avoid threads altogether.

Sometimes I read them backwards.


C2W,

I will publicly confess that I am reluctant sometimes to voice my utter comradeship with your finely tuned sense of justice and my undying admiration for your ferocious determination. I say confess because I fear that it will give the appearance of a male coming to the rescue of a female and that will reveal an unexorcised acculturated tendency in me to view women as being weak, incapable of defending themselves and in need of rescuing and God knows in this arena you do not need any rescuing. I say publicly to emphasize the fact that seeking solidarity and confirmation within a community is something utterly different than forming cliques and that's something that ought to be obvious as hell but apparently is not for some. But that isn't the real confession. The real confession is that it is I that feel weak, unable to defend myself and in need of rescuing. In a lot of ways that matter I am still a boy seeking the protection of parental figures and I always sought out my mother and still do. So really, when I am trying to avoid giving the impression that I view you as a demsel in distress in need of my knight in shining armor routine I am really projecting a deeper level of my own drama I'd rather not acknowledge to myself, let alone publicly. But there it is and you deserve every bit of honesty I can muster as that is the best way I can think of to honor yours.

To the board-

I could have simply PM'd C2W, but some things need to be said out loud, for everyone within earshot to hear.

[brainpanhandler]

Dammit!

I guess this thread is not about the G20 or the police state we live in.

Some issues are intertwined in complicated ways. As important is it might be to examine the G20 summit and the police state we live on a moment by moment basis there is sometimes nevertheless an overriding urgency to deal with meta-issues within the context of the board, issues which are isomorphic with their real world counterparts and which cannot and should not be ignored. It is not hard to link issues of gender inequality, sexism or racism with the reality of the police state we live in, is it?

Given the compelling evidence presented by C2W, available for all to see and read for themselves, do you really want Marmot as the original poster and de facto moderator of a discussion on the RI board of the G20 summit and the police state we live in?

[IanEye]

Given the compelling evidence presented by C2W, available for all to see and read for themselves, do you really want Marmot as the original poster and de facto moderator of a discussion on the RI board of the G20 summit and the police state we live in?

I'm not sure I have an easy answer to your question, but since I started posting the links to these images on the BAGnewsNotes site here, I figured I'd keep putting them here as opposed to the other thread.

[beeline]

Given the compelling evidence presented by C2W, available for all to see and read for themselves, do you really want Marmot as the original poster and de facto moderator of a discussion on the RI board of the G20 summit and the police state we live in?

Yes. We all have faults. I am loaded with faults. The only real difference between mamot, myself and anyone else is that marmot made his faults public. We are all a few keyboard strokes away from doing that.

Marmot being on the ground in Pittsburgh gives him a unique perspective on the G20 protests. However, I believe he has been chased from RI, which is unfortunate.

[brainpanhandler]

Yes. We all have faults. I am loaded with faults. The only real difference between mamot, myself and anyone else is that marmot made his faults public. We are all a few keyboard strokes away from doing that.

No, we are not all a few keystrokes from being deliberately malicious to one another. I can be malicious, to be sure. But why would anyone intentionally attempt to hurt C2W? I mean really? You can engage C2W in any number of ways. She's a formidable intellect. To respond to her intellect in a nasty, sexist manner deliberately intended to hurt her is more than just a fault, it's a deliberate fault. It's not like, "oh well, these things just happen". You have to type the words, mean them and click submit.

His inability to publicly apologize speaks volumes.

Marmot being on the ground in Pittsburgh gives him a unique perspective on the G20 protests.

I'm suggesting you might not want to get your information through that filter.

However, I believe he has been chased from RI, which is unfortunate.

If he left, he left. I'm sure C2W would be happy to accept his public apology since she pretty much demanded one. She would probably find a way to twist herself into a pretzel and forge some sort of truce. If he's been chased away simply by me voicing my support of C2W then you won't get an apology out of me for that.

Besides, in that smarmy tone of his he voiced his intentions to leave "after this thread is exhausted".

There you are dear!

Don't worry you can have your forum back marmot-free after this thread is exhausted.

It also bears mentioning that in leaving he creates the impression that an important topic has been derailed by a personal grudge, which is a bullshit ploy that you seemed to fall for. As I wrote, "It is not hard to link issues of gender inequality, sexism or racism with the reality of the police state we live in, is it?". I think you need to consider the source and then assess the loss.

[beeline]

You could be right bph, maybe I'm letting my own feelings get in the way. FWIW, I didn't really follow the interactions between marmot and c2w? too closely, other than what went on in this thread. I've got enough negativity on the home front already.

I'm suggesting you might not want to get your information through that filter.

As a historian, I was taught that first-hand accounts, while sometimes inaacurate, are more often more accurate than second-hand accounts.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Anyone consider that maybe marmot is just stressed out and uncharacteristically curt while his town is turned into global jackboot anti-personnel weapon-testing central?

I think I would be.

In fact, that's one of the goals of the military tactic of overwhelming shows of force - the psychological warfare effect on people that causes social friction and reduced efficiency of resistance.

So I'd put less focus on a marmot moment in context.
Text posting lends an artificial permanence to momentary expressions.

[OP ED]

he said all the really nasty stuff quite a bit before the G20 came to town.

what was his contextual excuse then Hugh?

a mouse stole my weed last nite Hugh, so i think your problem is that you really need me to fuck you so we'll agree...

[barracuda]

OP ED! What a thing to say. I'm sure a little tongue kissing and playful spank-spank would suffice.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

he said all the really nasty stuff quite a bit before the G20 came to town.
.....

Oh.

[OP ED]

OP ED! What a thing to say. I'm sure a little tongue kissing and playful spank-spank would suffice.

OP ED doesn't have the time or energy for foreplay right now.

(i thought the first part of my sentence was funnier)

[also true, oddly enough]

[OP ED]

just pickin on you Hugh. you've never said anything quite that horrible yourself, so i wouldn't want to misdirect my ire at ya.

[beeline]

a mouse stole my weed last nite

OK, not to derail this thread into another direction, but my roommate and I have had the same problem:

I came home from work one day, sat down at my desk and opened my drawer, where I keep my stash. Much to my surprise, a little Mickey jumped out and scurried away toots sweet.

I told my roommate about it after I heard him saying, 'what the fuck? A goodamn mouse ate my weed!'

So, a few days later, I went to search for a bag of seeds in my drawer, an lo and behold, the mouse had eaten about half my seeds! That fucker.

So, apparantly, mice like seeds but aren't so keen on the actual buds. Good thing, too.

[OP ED]

i was in my "library" area of the basement. my stash is behind one or more books. (good luck finding it) i rolled up a couple, and put one in my jacket for later and one behind me ear. then i hear the dogs i'm sittin' for my mother go nuts, and i look out the window and there's a fukkin' cop on my front porch. (my neighbor's car was stolen) so i stuck the other J in the drop ceiling, unfinished in that part of the room, and answered the door and talked to the officer, etc. while i was up, i gotta phone call sayin' the gathering was gonna be delayed a couple hours. okay, so pick up a book and chill in a chair in the room. dozed off, bad book. wake up an hour or two later to this scratchy sound above me. don't think much of it. go to bathroom and return to find me J is gone, and lil' mouse turds in its place...

'twas a fatty too, n good shit. prolly $20 joint. little rodent motherfucker.