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Re: standard "9/11 truth" hit-piece on boing boing

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:38 pm

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Nicholas wrote:
jimd3100 wrote:This indicates to you an agenda does it? Maybe you should be putting the blame where it belongs. On a fruitcake 9-11 truth movement that promotes BS.


The blame belongs with a media establishment and culture that locks up a selection of "9/11 truth" figures into a zoo for entertainment viewing, but never actually examines the events and history of September 11th itself. They don't even read the official reports! Some of them condemn US torture, and then turn around and endorse a 9/11 Commission Report based largely on testimony derived from that torture. Such have no standing to deride others as naive.

Paul Thompson, Sibel Edmonds, the Jersey Girls, 911 Press for Truth, Nafeez Ahmed, P.D. Scott, Mike Ruppert, Anthony Shaeffer, Kevin Fenton, and (in a very conditional way) Richard Clarke: these are scholars and sources who are giving pieces of the real history and well-considered insights. They are all in their own way very well-known names, and real journalists would have no trouble finding them. It no more matters that Alex Jones or Charlie Sheen or DR Griffin might be more famous (today!) as "9/11 truth leaders" than it would matter that Oprah is a better known spokesperson on a given medical issue than an actual doctor.

Back when the biggest names in 9/11 skepticism were more credible than Griffin and the Joneses, the way people like Ruppert were treated by the media was no different than what is dished out today: The same boilerplate broad-stroke mockery, the same refusal to look at the events and history.

Real journalists would look beyond "American Idol" and seek out the cutting-edge music, in this case meaning: They would seek out the actual scholarship, they would cover the 9/11 Timeline and the Family Steering Committee, they would know what's actually in the 9/11 Commission Report and JICI and the IG reports. They would know about Blee and Alec Station and Midhar/Hazmi and Abudussattar Shaikh and Bayoumi and UBLU and CIA surveillance of the Hamburg Cell in the 1990s and the AWOL chain of command on the day and the "don't follow the money" dictum of the CR and the missing 28 pages of the JICI and the wargames of the day. They would know the evidence of foreknowledge, foreplanning and foreign warnings, the air-defense timeline contradictions between the various agencies and the bizarre 3-minute shifting of the Flight 93 crash by the CR and the CR conflicts of interest and very much else besides.

They would also have a clue about the history of covert operations and provide no preemptive excuses, like the false dichotomy between incompetence and criminality, as though the two don't usually go together. They would hardly regard the thesis of criminality in the US government as an "extraordinary" claim, or demand evidence from the Loose Change boys. They would track down the stories and look for answers from those who are accountable: not from celebrities, or from fabulists of hypotheses on the radio, but from people who actually were present and in charge on the day and in the weeks and months prior, and the ones who were charged with investigating the events afterward.

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Re: standard "9/11 truth" hit-piece on boing boing

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:56 pm

Wasnt it cockburn who wrote the "Is there an Israel factor in 9/11"(or whatever it was called article)? Thats THE most inflamatory and explosive charge a "truther" can make

Yeah Cockburn, you got me...no evidence Saudi Arabia was intimately involved with the CIA obstructing the FBI from getting near protected networks. (Even tho Clarke, 9/11 co chair Graham, FBI, etc have come out to say the same thing)

Funny how all the anti 9/11 truth stuff focuses on Loose Change charges and NOT the zillions of other stuff posited in say, HistoryCommons

Also, I find I now officially hate anti truth liberals than I do ignorant right wing Tea Party folks...just the smarmy smugness alone.
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Re: standard "9/11 truth" hit-piece on boing boing

Postby Nordic » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:09 pm

8bitagent wrote:Wasnt it cockburn who wrote the "Is there an Israel factor in 9/11"(or whatever it was called article)? Thats THE most inflamatory and explosive charge a "truther" can make

Yeah Cockburn, you got me...no evidence Saudi Arabia was intimately involved with the CIA obstructing the FBI from getting near protected networks. (Even tho Clarke, 9/11 co chair Graham, FBI, etc have come out to say the same thing)

Funny how all the anti 9/11 truth stuff focuses on Loose Change charges and NOT the zillions of other stuff posited in say, HistoryCommons

Also, I find I now officially hate anti truth liberals than I do ignorant right wing Tea Party folks...just the smarmy smugness alone.


I don't think anti-truth liberals are actually liberals. Just like right wing Christians aren't really Christians.

Anti-truth liberals tend to be of the Dailykos variety, rooting for their "team" over the other.

They don't really care what their team stands for, just as long as they battle that other team, and hopefully "win".
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Re: standard "9/11 truth" hit-piece on boing boing

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:09 pm

Nordic wrote:
8bitagent wrote:Wasnt it cockburn who wrote the "Is there an Israel factor in 9/11"(or whatever it was called article)? Thats THE most inflamatory and explosive charge a "truther" can make

Yeah Cockburn, you got me...no evidence Saudi Arabia was intimately involved with the CIA obstructing the FBI from getting near protected networks. (Even tho Clarke, 9/11 co chair Graham, FBI, etc have come out to say the same thing)

Funny how all the anti 9/11 truth stuff focuses on Loose Change charges and NOT the zillions of other stuff posited in say, HistoryCommons

Also, I find I now officially hate anti truth liberals than I do ignorant right wing Tea Party folks...just the smarmy smugness alone.


I don't think anti-truth liberals are actually liberals. Just like right wing Christians aren't really Christians.

Anti-truth liberals tend to be of the Dailykos variety, rooting for their "team" over the other.

They don't really care what their team stands for, just as long as they battle that other team, and hopefully "win".


I'll agree with that...though while most if not all of these (to me) fake ass liberals may be for things I am strongly for(pro gay rights, environmentalism, etc)
it does seem like a blind football mentality. Look how many of the anti bush/anti Bush's war 'liberals' now BLINDLY support Obama even after two and a half years of escalated warfare/new war adventures and continuing of patriot act/gitmo/black site torture gulags/etc. I'm sure we'll see it ratcheted up even more next year after the GOP foists upon the public their next waxy statue fundie greaseball as their frontrunner.

I love how there can be this giant multi tentacled alien elephant in the middle of the room but most if not all of the left I see post on these news/blogs talk about all the elephant dung around(war, torture, war profiteering, patriot act, imperialism) without talking about how the dung got there.
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