5 Seattle Area Cops Assassinated in a month

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Postby 82_28 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:38 pm

From the SPD blog:

At approximately 2:43 a.m. today, a uniformed patrol officer came upon a suspicious vehicle in the 4400 block of South Kenyon Street. The vehicle, an Acura Integra, was unoccupied. The engine was running and the hood was up. The officer stopped to investigate further and discovered that the Acura was a stolen vehicle.

The officer began doing the stolen vehicle recovery paperwork when something caught his attention. The officer turned around and noticed a subject walking in the street behind his patrol car, approaching on the driver’s side. The officer got out of his car and ordered the subject to stop and show his hands. The officer immediately recognized the subject as Maurice Clemmons, the suspect wanted in the murder of four Lakewood police officers. The suspect refused to comply with the officer’s commands.

As the officer was drawing his gun the suspect reached into his waist area and moved. The officer fired several times striking the suspect at least twice. The suspect went down near some bushes on the north side of the street. Shortly thereafter he was taken into custody. Seattle Fire Department medics responded and pronounced the suspect dead at the scene.
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Postby marshwren » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:38 pm

Jeff wrote:Huck's been here before:
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One thousand thirty three times to be exact:

"A Minister’s job may be saving souls but a Governor’s responsibility is to protect lives and help make our mortal lives better. In the case of Huckabee’s commutations and paroles, he did neither and it takes a great deal of personal restraint for me to not state that the former Governor bears a certain amount of responsibility for the rapes and deaths of women and now the massacre of 4 policemen. To make such a claim may not be fair but life is not always fair. The fact is that had Mike Huckabee not been so quick to make clear that he hates the sins but loves the sinners, a few sinners may not have had the opportunity to kill and rape and continue in the life of crime that his inordinate number of commutations and parole recommendations afforded criminals."

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.actio ... 4697241980

Note: i make no claims for the above link--at first glanse, it looks RNC-frontish to me (the notice for the north-east young repub meet-up gave me a clue); it's the relevant one of only two things that came up on a google of "wayne dumond, huckabee, christian" and is offered at face-value, and FWIW. I was trying to track down a claim that Dumond's case was championed by a RW Christian talk-radio host for unknown reasons.

That said, i spent today entertaining the idea of a religious connection between Huck's pardon-happy days as Guv, and the psycho's his Christ-like personality/persona put back on the streets to such baleful effect. As a story, there may be as many as 1,031 more to tell. Yet, reading the accounts of Clemmon's behavior here (he was Jesus, the end was neigh) and elsewhere (letters to Huck from prison drolling with religious references while begging for a pardon) would seem to support the suspicion that once Huck's greater love for sinners than hatred of sin became known to the DoC population, a whole lot of inmates 'got right with Jesus' and intimate with the Lord--and (possibly) played the Huckster like a violin...1,033 times...

But then, it's not like magnaminous Mike needed inmates to be himself:

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000863.htm

"Here, then, are 10 More Moments in Mike Huckabee's Extremism:
11. Huckabee Vows to Take Nation Back for Christ
12. Huckabee Declares Culture War in 1998 Book
13. Huckabee Declares Women Should Graciously Submit to Their Husbands
14. Huckabee Predicts Victory over Islam at the End of Times
15. Huckabee Boasts About Theology Degree He Doesn't Have
16. Huckabee Destroys His State Computer Records - and Church Sermons
17. Huckabee Offers State Appointments in Exchange for Gifts
18. Huckabee Uses Wedding Registries to Furnish New Home
19. Huckabee Offers Clemency to Repeat DWI Offender (and GOP Donor)
20. Huckabee Intervenes to Save Dog-Killing Son from Legal Jeopardy"

on edit: more on Huck and his faith-based pardons:

"3. Huckabee Offers Faith-Based Pardons
As the AP reports, Governor Huckabee didn't merely intervene to help past and future felons for political purposes. Huckabee used his pardon power at an unprecedented rate (1,033 times over 10 ½ years, compared to 507 times over the 17 plus years of Bill Clinton, Frank White and Jim Guy Tucker). And as case after case shows, Huckabee was quick to offer clemency when his fellow ministers requested it.

The AP documented numerous cases of Huckabee's faith, friends and family plan for gubernatorial pardons:

Donald W. Clark, convicted of theft. Huckabee's pastor recommended leniency for Clark, whose stepmother worked on Huckabee's gubernatorial staff.
Robert A. Arnold Jr., who was convicted of killing his father-in-law. Arnold's father, a former mayor of Hope, Huckabee's hometown, said he was a casual friend of the governor.

A pastor who promoted Huckabee among blacks urged the governor to grant clemency to John Henry Claiborne, who was sentenced to 100 years for a 1994 armed robbery, according to a 2004 report in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Huckabee made Claiborne eligible for parole after receiving a letter from the Rev. Charles Williams, who told the newspaper he had helped win "many, many" clemencies from Huckabee.

Whitewater figure David Hale, a government witness in the trial that forced Gov. Jim Guy Tucker's resignation and let Huckabee ascend to the office, was pardoned after being sentenced to 21 days in a state insurance case. Huckabee complained it would cost too much to hold him. The price tag: $1,200.


As prosecutor Robert Herzfeld said in 2004, "It seems to be true at least anecdotally that if a minister is involved, (Huckabee) seems likely to grant clemency."
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Postby freemason9 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:29 pm

lupercal wrote:If he'd been shot in the stomach by some as-yet-to-be-announced hero/ine, why wasn't he in bed? :shrug:


He was on the run, baby, on the run. That's what happens with folks that are in the midst of a psychotic crisis.

The felon's behavior isn't unheard of. Sometimes fellas flip out.

What I'm saying here is that there really ARE such people in the world; sometimes serial killers and homicidal maniacs don't need any nudging.
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Postby Nordic » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:28 am

I'd just like to offer up something here, which people may have already thought of, maybe not, maybe I missed it, maybe it's obvious.

When I was in college, I got pretty close to a guy in my dorm who lived a couple doors down. His father and his Uncle were political operatives for Kit Bond, who was then, I believe, the Governor of Missouri. They were, at this time, in 1980, involved in the campaign of an extreme right-wing candidate for something, I can't remember who or what.

Anyway, in my relationship with this guy, I found out that his father and his uncle were not only both in the KKK, but were both criminals, and had been, in fact, busted for robbing banks some years before but were pardoned by Kit Bond, governor of Missouri. Why? Because they were guys who did dirty work for Kit Bond.

This kid was pretty messed up. He was extremely intelligent and was a real right-winger and a racist, but he was really tormented. He actually had a conscience, of sorts, but had a serious hero-worship of his crooked father. There was a lot of other weird things about him, I mean psychological problems.

I met his father and his uncle and they were indeed running the campaign for the candidate, I think it might have been for the Senate. The guy lost thank goodness. In other words, his stories checked out completely, including when he sneaked in his dad's KKK uniform once and showed it to us.

My point being, that crooked governors of crooked states have professional criminals who do jobs for them, and the criminals are then given clemency and pardons.

Huckabee? Arkansas? C'mon.

This is one who got WAY out of hand. No better way to guarantee a "death by cop" than to kill a few cops. The cops don't fuck around, you kill one of theirs, they just off you.

I mean, the plot is weirder than that, obviously, what I'm saying is fairly simple, but I really think it must be the backstory. Weird shit like this doesn't just happen.
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:30 am

Nordic wrote:

My point being, that crooked governors of crooked states have professional criminals who do jobs for them, and the criminals are then given clemency and pardons.

Huckabee? Arkansas? C'mon.

This is one who got WAY out of hand. No better way to guarantee a "death by cop" than to kill a few cops. The cops don't fuck around, you kill one of theirs, they just off you.

I mean, the plot is weirder than that, obviously, what I'm saying is fairly simple, but I really think it must be the backstory. Weird shit like this doesn't just happen.


Interesting take, and I'd have to agree.

I remember reading about subway shooter Colin Ferguson, the execution of Mary "Caity" Mahoney at a Starbucks in 1997(the Clinton intern), the DC Beltway snipers, etc. All by "crazy black guys" who claimed to be under some sort of mind control or other paranoid ramblings.


He also argued that a mysterious man named Mr. Su had information concerning a conspiracy against him. He also found another man who was willing to testify that the government implanted a computer chip in Ferguson's brain, but at the last minute decided not to call him to the stand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferg ... t%29#Trial

And then you look at the Son of Sam killings and the link to the process church. You look at Sirhan Sirhan, a mind control CIA drone/Rosicrucian order inductee, and on and on.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:46 am

I have heard so many stories of corrupt politicins and the people that work for/with them (and vice versa).

And this:

This is one who got WAY out of hand. No better way to guarantee a "death by cop" than to kill a few cops. The cops don't fuck around, you kill one of theirs, they just off you.

I mean, the plot is weirder than that, obviously, what I'm saying is fairly simple, but I really think it must be the backstory. Weird shit like this doesn't just happen.


I kind of agree with that.

I want to know what the four cops on their laptops were doing tho. Has their been any mention of that yet?
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Postby 82_28 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:36 pm

The snuff has begun. Kinda like an exclamation point on a bad racist joke. Yes, the dude probably did it. But I wanted to see his day in court. Won't link, but photos of Clemmons dead are circulating.

It's all over but the memorial service now.

However, somehow I think this may be only another chapter in incidents like this.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:27 am

Man, weirder and weirder. Check this out. Footage at site.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/New-vid ... 86772.html

New video of Clemmons: 'God called me'

SEATTLE - New video has surfaced of suspect Lakewood, Wash. police killer Maurice Clemmons attending a religious event in New York last June. The tape shows Clemmons in the middle of what may have been a mental break.

The edited tape was given to KING 5 by Zoe Ministries, the church in New York City that hosted the event. The minister says out of the hundreds of people who attended, Clemmons was easy to remember.

The man in the video appears to be Clemmons talking to Bishop Bernard Jordan of Zoe Ministries. Clemmons had been following the minister on Twitter, listening to his live chats.

According to Jordan, Clemmons drove three days cross-country to attend Jordan's 50th birthday banquet last June.

"How did you know to come?" Jordan is seen asking Clemmons in the video.

"I did a live chat," says Clemmons, "and then God called me.

Jordan says, the day before, Clemmons showed up at a church function, acted strangely and rushed the pulpit. When security pulled him aside, Clemmons reportedly told them he was running from police.

"I said you need help," says Jordan. "Do you have a lawyer? 'Yes, I have a lawyer.' I want you to turn yourself in. 'I'm not going to turn myself in. I'm never going back to jail.'"

In the video, a man who came with Clemmons, identified only as Carlisle, introduced Clemmons as Jesus Christ.

"My friend over there, Maurice Clemmons, that's Jesus Christ."

Jordan responds, "We're all Jesus, sir..."

Court documents reveal when Clemmons turned himself in last July, he told police he had been in New York. When police asked him his middle name, Clemmons responded, "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

"After that, we hadn't heard from him," says Jordan. "He had turned himself in, but then they let him out a few days ago. And we saw the tragic situation that happened."

In the video, Bishop Jordan tells Clemmons' friend that maybe he needs help.

"If there are some mental problems then you need to find an institution. I'm just saying, if you go walking around the streets saying you're Jesus Christ, then something needs to be checked out."

Clemmons' uncle spoke to KING 5 from Marianna, Ark. He too saw a bizarre transformation.

"Maurice went from being a man who was working hard to make money to becoming a man of God," said Ray Clemmons.


This dude sure had some weird hook-up. Family all over to help him evade police. Gov. Huckabee pardoning him from a 104 year sentence. People that rolled with him who also declared him to be Jesus (see video at link). Owned 5 houses. Had an orginally reported white accomplice (haven't heard anymore about that since the day of the ambush). At least 2 phony 911 calls directly after claiming to be the shooter (what I have been calling chaff). Was able to get pardoned out of a 104 year sentence and move to WA state to start a business (simple DUI's wipe most people out). Etc, etc, etc.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:06 am

82_28 wrote:

However, somehow I think this may be only another chapter in incidents like this.


Well we all knew that the Fort Hood shooting would probably be the tip off to a month of acts like this; as usual.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:18 am

82_28 wrote:

This dude sure had some weird hook-up. Family all over to help him evade police. Gov. Huckabee pardoning him from a 104 year sentence. People that rolled with him who also declared him to be Jesus (see video at link). Owned 5 houses. Had an orginally reported white accomplice (haven't heard anymore about that since the day of the ambush). At least 2 phony 911 calls directly after claiming to be the shooter (what I have been calling chaff). Was able to get pardoned out of a 104 year sentence and move to WA state to start a business (simple DUI's wipe most people out). Etc, etc, etc.


Yep. And you know, I know people roll their eyes whenever we try and have an "RI" look at every event that happens...like "oh boy, here come's the conspiracies"..but seriously, you look at this or the Beltway DC Sniper case, or RFK in 1968...just way too many anomalies.

Who sets a low bail for child rape and assaulting a cop???
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:00 am

Who sets a low bail for child rape and assaulting a cop???


Makes perfectly no sense. But the situation as been tried, the perp convicted and with perfect aplomb executed. All done.

I still wanna know what the cops were working on. God bless their souls. I still wanna know. And the proximity to McChord (as in, across the street).

God I wish there were brave, hard hitting reporters these days.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:25 am

82_28 wrote:

I still wanna know what the cops were working on. God bless their souls. I still wanna know. And the proximity to McChord (as in, across the street).

God I wish there were brave, hard hitting reporters these days.


Oh on their laptops? I heard it was routine report stuff.

What I'm curious, is what was the FBI lady who was killed by the DC Beltway sniper investigating or attached to at the time. As well, what Chandra Levy was getting herself into.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:51 am

8bitagent wrote:
82_28 wrote:

I still wanna know what the cops were working on. God bless their souls. I still wanna know. And the proximity to McChord (as in, across the street).

God I wish there were brave, hard hitting reporters these days.


Oh on their laptops? I heard it was routine report stuff.

What I'm curious, is what was the FBI lady who was killed by the DC Beltway sniper investigating or attached to at the time. As well, what Chandra Levy was getting herself into.


Supposedly all four were from three separate agencies. Two from Lakewood and the others from elsewhere. The news now says "Four Lakewood Officers". But, what from what I understand they were all meeting and from various nearby jurisdictions. Perhaps this happens all the time and there is nothing to it. Still curious however.
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Postby Cordelia » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:57 am

82_28 wrote:Man, weirder and weirder. Check this out. Footage at site.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/New-vid ... 86772.html

New video of Clemmons: 'God called me'

SEATTLE - New video has surfaced of suspect Lakewood, Wash. police killer Maurice Clemmons attending a religious event in New York last June. The tape shows Clemmons in the middle of what may have been a mental break.

In the video, a man who came with Clemmons, identified only as Carlisle, introduced Clemmons as Jesus Christ.

"My friend over there, Maurice Clemmons, that's Jesus Christ."



It's curious that Clemmons drew attention to himself accompanied by another person; wonder who 'Carlisle' is.

Three interesting links about DC Snipers, John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo, when they lived in Tacoma, right near McChord AFB. (And, of course, Muhammad was executed three weeks before the police shootings.)

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource. ... g=malvo26m
http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/bl ... ge=1#c_d80
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/26/opini ... -town.html

Gunfire at Night in a Military Town
By Charles T. Mudede
Some of John Allen Muhammad's former neighbors were surprised at the seemingly random connection between the sniper killings in the Washington, D.C., area and the plain duplex in Tacoma, Wash., where he lived last January. But many others like me were not.

The fact that this marksman and John Lee Malvo, his traveling companion, could be engaging in target practice in a dense working-class neighborhood without alarming the neighbors or the police speaks directly to the kind of city and culture they lived in.

Tacoma, which is about 40 miles south of Seattle, has been a military and timber town for most of the last century. And both industries have left their mark. For decades, the acrid odor of pulp mills blanketed the city, so much so that it was known around Puget Sound as the Tacoma aroma. The military's legacy has been even more pervasive.

In 1917, Tacoma offered the United States Army 70,000 acres to establish a military base. The gift, which was unprecedented at the time, has paid off handsomely. Fort Lewis and nearby McChord Air Force Base generate nearly 40,000 civilian and military jobs for the area.

You can't drive around Tacoma without noticing the transitory nature of an Army town, with neighborhoods that are used and reused, where people move on without anyone noticing. Young privates patronize nightclubs and bars in the south part of Tacoma, and it's not unusual to find camouflaged officers enjoying cappuccinos or lattes at the downtown Starbucks.

The military's presence has also turned Tacoma into one of the most ethnically diverse communities in Washington, with a large Korean community located near the McChord air base and a large black community that's closely linked to Fort Lewis.

The military presence has its disadvantages. Those who live in the city must contend with ''the sounds of freedom.'' During the day, there is the constant roar and growl of massive cargo planes landing or taking off from McChord.

At night, the residents are often awakened by the blasts, booms and vibrations of Fort Lewis's big artillery guns. And now and then, echoes of machine-gun fire can be heard drifting from the woods surrounding the Army base.

If anyone in the city of Seattle discharges a pistol in the backyard, a swarm of police cars will surround the house in minutes. But in Tacoma, where the sound of gunshots is not unusual, ex-soldiers like John Allen Muhammad can discharge high-velocity rounds late at night with little or no objection. One of Mr. Muhammad's former neighbors told The Seattle Times: ''In Tacoma, you hear shots all the time. You don't think much of it.''

It's not only active soldiers and ex-soldiers who spend their days and late nights improving their marksmanship within the city limits -- there are also civilian hunters who enjoy shooting wild birds and game in remote parts of the military reservation.

In fact, it wasn't until last June that Fort Lewis bureaucrats determined that this kind of recreation was improper and cracked down on it. Many people were angered by the Army's new policy, believing that the Army had no right to deny them pleasures they had enjoyed without restriction for years. Tacoma may be densely populated, but it has managed to preserve many of its frontier tendencies.

The image that best captures this place -- which is at once urban and yet maintains the feel of an unmanaged outpost -- is when law enforcement officers dug out the tree stump that John Allen Muhammad used for target practice from the backyard of the duplex. The stump was cut at the roots by the Tacoma Fire Department and transported to McChord Air Force Base -- from where, presumably, it was airlifted away.

The woods around Tacoma have not been and may never be tamed. Their darkness may have given killers a sense of the power of invisibility.

Charles T. Mudede is the books editor for The Stranger, a Seattle weekly.
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Postby American Dream » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:28 pm

I'm not saying I think Clemmons is a MK subject- I really have no idea, and don't personally think we can rule out simple mental disturbance.

That said, I'm going to say here a few things I know about anomalous activity in the area:

Weird cults, with possible government links are in the area, for example the Ramtha cult in Yelm, which is almost literally on the edge of Fort Lewis. In Lakewood, last I checked there was a Summit Lighthouse bookstore and I think there are some kinda wack New Age Bookstores in the area, too.

Fort Lewis is the home of Special Forces detachments and a major spy school, too- kinda like the DIA's Camp Peary, as well as a unit of the 902d Military Intelligence Group, long infamous for domestic black ops. McChord AFB has a lot of stuff going on, and may have hosted cyber-spook units- not sure about this.

The military is a huge force in the area that must be reckoned with. Mayors come from their ranks, and surrounding communities are filled with plenty of military-affiliated people, including Intel and Special Forces.

Also, there's a goodly number of mind control survivors all over the area. Maybe it's that way all over, but it sure seems like a helluva lot around there.

As I said, I'm not endorsing or condemning the idea that Clemmons was MK'd but I thought I'd add all that to the mix...
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