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8bitagent wrote:I almost wonder if individuals or power groups we tend to think of as elites into these sort of circles are perhaps unaware if such things. If the manipulation is so subtle yet deep, that they are unknowingly puppets. While Im sure a lot of these stories of crimes against children lead to politicians tied to 'black networks', one has to wonder if many are simply foolishly led by their own hubris and sick jollies...unaware of perhaps a more invisible hand.
The "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" or "poison pill" analogy we often hear in parapolitical circles certainly may apply. Even if someone doesn't have some sort of quasi or outright racist tinge to their writings; it may often be hard to tell if the author knows truth from reality.(again, that in itself is subjective) Like "occult crimes expert" Ted Gundersen or "Illuminati/Vatican" researchers, one has to wonder how much of their expose's are partial products of their imagination. I believe one such "Illuminati member" turned out to be a gen-x rave dj in Italy, playing it up to the gullible Coast to Coast conspiracy crowd.
8bitagent wrote:I believe one such "Illuminati member" turned out to be a gen-x rave dj in Italy, playing it up to the gullible Coast to Coast conspiracy crowd.
Leo Zagami: Illuminati Whistleblower
Part 1 of 3
Oslo, Norway, February 2008
Leo Lyon Zagami, ex-member of the Comitato Esecutivo Massonico - the Masonic Executive Committee - of Monte Carlo, was, until recently, a high level member of the Italian Illuminati. He is a 33rd degree Freemason, and a senior member of the infamous P2 Lodge. He was the 'Prince': prepared to take over after the older Illuminati 'King', Licio Gelli. He was born of a Scottish-Sicilian Illuminati aristocratic bloodline, and so has been involved in the Illuminati Order since childhood.
Disgusted with satanic black magic rituals, and with the true intentions of those who regard themselves as the elite controllers of the planet, he has now made the commitment to tell the real story of those who seek to rule us all without our consent.
Quick, intelligent, likeable, passionate, and with a huge amount of information at his fingertips about the inside workings of the Powers that Be, Leo welcomed us into his house in Oslo, Norway, where he had been living in what might be called exile.
In our two and a half hour interview we were barely able to scratch the surface of everything he knows, and what we present is a summary for those unfamiliar with the labyrinthine details of one of the most important stories of our time.
Be warned: some of the material is shocking.
Leo seems to have paid a price for talking to us on camera. Days after our interview, his wife Fatma Süslü, of Turkish descent but an aspiring Norwegian politician, left him - accusing us at Project Camelot, in the process, of being agents. Immediately after her departure he was temporarily imprisoned and his cellphone and computers were confiscated by the police. He intends to leave Norway for safer shores as soon as he can make the arrangements.
Leo is a very brave man, and we wish him well. He is determined and resilient. The information he presents is extraordinary and detailed, and much more will be found on his own http://www.illuminaticonfessions.webfriend.it website.
ray wrote:And Ray, try to cut down on the meth.
not Rigorous, not Intuitive, not even factual
just a slimy, smug accusation, without slightest attempt at substantive response: par for the course for cowards
Wombaticus Rex wrote:So to recap, ray thinks that black people represent a "permanent protected class" in America, Nathan brought out a full page of data about the actual economic situation of women in the US, and Stephen Morgan responded with 1) a fag joke and 2) an article from his hard drive from someone who thinks all that data just isn't important.
Great page, guys. This really is a fitting tribute to Downard/Hoffman's legacy.
nathan28 wrote:Ah, this really brings back the memories, or the brain-damage where there are supposed to be memories. *Now* here is a Real Conspiracy Theorist, a dude too crazy, too racist, too antisemitic and too anti-gov't for even the John Birchers to accept him, not this watered-down stepchild "Reptilians cause chemtrails, no, by reptilians I do not mean 'Jews', honestly" crap. Bo Gritz ain't got shit on this dude, and it's taken most of the past ten years for Lyndon LaRouche to even start to get close to what this guy was saying. This is the straight, unadulterated*, hate-fueled Satanic Panic paranoia at its purest. The difference between David Icke and Downard is like the difference between 3.25% beer (Q:"Why do Americans drink beer so cold?" A:"So they can tell it apart from rat piss") and bathtub corn whiskey with the toxic methanol streaks still floating in it. One makes you piss a lot, the other causes throat cancer and blindness. After reading James Shelby Downard articles when I was 14, it took me more than a decade and about two serious recessions to get it out of my head.
*well, there are questions about how much Hoffman edited and wrote.
[size=85]http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg60542.html
http://www.whale.to/b/downard_h.html
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id17/pg1/index.html
http://www.disinfo.com/2007/12/making-manifest-all-that-is-hidden/
http://www.disinfo.com/2007/12/masonic-assassins-and-alchemical-rites-out-there-radio-episode-3/
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24194&p=269495
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23839&p=263420
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http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15505&p=158308
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10977&p=107653
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9716&p=94215
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8938&p=93373
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As the American civil rights movement emerged in the 1950s, the established American oligarchy, in all its various forms and avenues of influence, set in motion simultaneous attempts to control the evolution of the movement, in order to both divide the movement and its leaders against each other, and also to control its direction. The Civil Rights Movement arose as an independent and people-driven movement in a struggle for black rights in America. In this, the movement presented a great threat to the establishment oligarchy, as historically the subjugation of black people within western society was not merely a result of western policies, but lies at the very foundations and bedrock of western ‘civilization’, politically, socially, and economically. Thus, challenging the segregation of race inevitably challenges the entire political, economic and social system.
The National Security State and its various apparatus, such as the CIA, FBI, police and military structures, saw the Civil Rights Movement as a threat to the status quo (as it was), and treated it as an ‘enemy of the state’. The apparatus of the National Security State were spying, infiltrating and disrupting the civil rights movement, and were ultimately planning for its elimination. Simultaneously, the major philanthropic foundations of America’s richest families and billionaire elites (whose imperial interests are served through the National Security State), moved in to actively fund the Civil Rights Movement, so as to control its progress and make it ‘safe for Capitalism.’ The idea was to prevent the Civil Rights Movement from remaining an organic people-driven movement and taking its natural course, which falls outside the false boundary of the social construct of race, and would seek to unite all oppressed and impoverished people of the world in one struggle against the system, itself. The role of the billionaire philanthropies was to ensure that the ‘Civil Rights Movement’ remained race-based, and that it became about black people being absorbed into and rising within the system, instead of fighting against it. It was about financially co-opting the movement to suit the interests of the ruling oligarchy.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:So to recap, ray thinks that black people represent a "permanent protected class" in America, Nathan brought out a full page of data about the actual economic situation of women in the US, and Stephen Morgan responded with 1) a fag joke and 2) an article from his hard drive from someone who thinks all that data just isn't important.
Great page, guys. This really is a fitting tribute to Downard/Hoffman's legacy.
Stephen Morgan wrote:It wasn't a fag joke, it was a joke about the kind of lily-livered, limp-wristed, namby-pamby, metrosexual, liberal, do gooding, wimps one could expect to be sexually aroused by female supremacism.
It wasn't a fag joke, it was a joke about the kind of lily-livered, limp-wristed, namby-pamby, metrosexual, liberal, do gooding, wimps one could expect to be sexually aroused by female supremacism.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:Ray, you do a shitty job expressing yourself. That said, I really appreciate the expansion on the theme. I didn't see your CRA claims as racism so much as a very strange opinion.
Most of the statistics I'm aware of make it seem like life is, on average, a whole heck of a lot harder on black folks than white folks....has been for centuries in amerika, not just my supposition.
I don't aim to be part of RI's cracker liberal elite, it just comes naturally, I guess. My entire sense of the CRA is shaped by the fairy tale about how it gave Black folks the right to vote and use the same drinking fountains. I get the sense you might be slightly older than me.
And yes, I will be running for office in the future.
It's true, macro-picture statistics with links provided are quite useless compared to unsourced assertions from an article you found on your hard drive.
It was quite a good article, though...at least, I enjoyed reading it. The authors name, btw, was Warren Farrell.
What's strange, to me, is why you posted the article -- to support the thesis of a "The Feminist-Marxist Homeland Security State." Which it really doesn't do. The article was very interesting economics, but nothing further than that. Still, I do appreciate the brainfood and I apologize for making light of your actual contribution.
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