King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:26 pm

So to recap, ray thinks that black people represent a "permanent protected class" in America, Nathan brought out a full page of data about the actual economic situation of women in the US, and Stephen Morgan responded with 1) a fag joke and 2) an article from his hard drive from someone who thinks all that data just isn't important.

Great page, guys. This really is a fitting tribute to Downard/Hoffman's legacy.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:18 pm

8bitagent wrote:I almost wonder if individuals or power groups we tend to think of as elites into these sort of circles are perhaps unaware if such things. If the manipulation is so subtle yet deep, that they are unknowingly puppets. While Im sure a lot of these stories of crimes against children lead to politicians tied to 'black networks', one has to wonder if many are simply foolishly led by their own hubris and sick jollies...unaware of perhaps a more invisible hand.

The "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" or "poison pill" analogy we often hear in parapolitical circles certainly may apply. Even if someone doesn't have some sort of quasi or outright racist tinge to their writings; it may often be hard to tell if the author knows truth from reality.(again, that in itself is subjective) Like "occult crimes expert" Ted Gundersen or "Illuminati/Vatican" researchers, one has to wonder how much of their expose's are partial products of their imagination. I believe one such "Illuminati member" turned out to be a gen-x rave dj in Italy, playing it up to the gullible Coast to Coast conspiracy crowd.


You have some interesting points there. Been mulling this over for a bit now.

I suspect sometimes that certain things -for example the numbers of the planes in 9-11- are there for effect. Perhaps the big dark occult boys did it as a necessary component of whatever magic they used, but they probably could have blown up less obvious flights and still struck fear into the hearts of americans.

I see a couple of psy-op channels that can distort any search for true 'relevation of method'.

1) Bone-pointing: The perception of having been magicked-on is one of the biggest weapons in a witch-doctor's (or psychiatrist's) bag. Like the placebo syndrome, if one thinks that one has been cursed (or cured) one will often respond in an obliging manner. This is fine by a witch-doctor because it actually negates having to use magic-or even really know magic- to work. 9-11 fits in with this well in terms of laying one stinking turd of a bone at the doorstep of a country and having it strip itself of it's own identity and those freedoms somebody so hated in an attempt to escape an ephemeral organiztion that, if it exists beyond a CIA construct, has little or no real power. If we think magic has something to do with it, all the better because we will fear (or idolize) the ones we think magicked us.

2) Misdirection: How many people who might otherwise being doing other research of more verifiable phenomenon are caught up chasing their tails looking for an occult conspiracy after seeing rather obvious clues strewn about? Once again using 9-11 as example; the choice of the numbers on those planes was just as deliberate as the passports that miraculously floated virtually unscathed to ground zero. It is a choice made to further muddy the waters for the folk like Gunderson etal who have taken so much at face value because it fits in with their worldview.

I totally agree that that most players on the scene have no idea they are being played (until perhaps they are blackmailed). The invisible hand, as it were, is going to remain that way, and I see those in control there as being involved less with politics than finance and those old family power bloodlines. The casual tossing of signifigant clues (especially in our more occult/CT savvy world) IMO is more likely to be the result of deliberate psy-ops.

If it is intentional obscurance, it certainly has done it's job.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby psynapz » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:36 pm

8bitagent wrote:I believe one such "Illuminati member" turned out to be a gen-x rave dj in Italy, playing it up to the gullible Coast to Coast conspiracy crowd.

Either that or one such gen-x rave DJ in italy turned out to also be an "Illuminati member". How are we to know?



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Leo Lyon Zagami, ex-member of the Comitato Esecutivo Massonico - the Masonic Executive Committee - of Monte Carlo, was, until recently, a high level member of the Italian Illuminati. He is a 33rd degree Freemason, and a senior member of the infamous P2 Lodge. He was the 'Prince': prepared to take over after the older Illuminati 'King', Licio Gelli. He was born of a Scottish-Sicilian Illuminati aristocratic bloodline, and so has been involved in the Illuminati Order since childhood.

Disgusted with satanic black magic rituals, and with the true intentions of those who regard themselves as the elite controllers of the planet, he has now made the commitment to tell the real story of those who seek to rule us all without our consent.

Quick, intelligent, likeable, passionate, and with a huge amount of information at his fingertips about the inside workings of the Powers that Be, Leo welcomed us into his house in Oslo, Norway, where he had been living in what might be called exile.

In our two and a half hour interview we were barely able to scratch the surface of everything he knows, and what we present is a summary for those unfamiliar with the labyrinthine details of one of the most important stories of our time.

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Leo is a very brave man, and we wish him well. He is determined and resilient. The information he presents is extraordinary and detailed, and much more will be found on his own http://www.illuminaticonfessions.webfriend.it website.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby yathrib » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:41 pm

Whatever. I don't care. If you support people like Hoffman, Downard, etc., and you're an apologist for that brand of "Christian Patriotism," at the very least you want the opposite of what I want. At the most, you are my enemy, and the enemy of everything I value. I really don't care whether you are on meth or not. Nor do I care what you think of me.

ray wrote:And Ray, try to cut down on the meth.


not Rigorous, not Intuitive, not even factual

just a slimy, smug accusation, without slightest attempt at substantive response: par for the course for cowards
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby ray » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:57 pm

"So to recap, ray thinks that black people represent a "permanent protected class" in America"


who are you announcing your thoughts to, bro? you running for office? feel a need to have Everyone on Your Side before posting?

:wink

affirmative action is official (and unofficial) govt policy in education, employment, and certain other areas . . . has been for decades in amerika, and thats not my supposition

whats next: you ask to see my klan robes?

"Great page, guys. This really is a fitting tribute to Downard/Hoffman's legacy":

didnt know we were paying tribute and conserving legacies, i dont idolize nor even admire these persons, of whom i know almost nothing

KK33 was astute, but merely a starting point .... lots more bugs under that rock

i hear hoffman's in the "Joos Did It" camp so yawn and bleh, leaves me out

but i'm not gonna be shamed or bullied off any topic, by accusation of meth use or for having the discourtesy to state that in amerika various groups in fact ARE protected classes, and DO receive affirmative action etc

and btw -- i didnt single out black people in my post

yet you did and thus imputed a racist intent on my part

thats exactly the kind of kreepy kultural tactic and attempt at censorship in the post-sixties west that i loathe so much, particularly amongst the Ethical Elite of the left

the discussion at hand concerned KK33 and its triune-goddess motif, plus CRA '64, and therefore gender ... but you somehow found a way to impute racism to me ... at a bit of distance, to be sure ... w/plausible deniability

seeings how you like recaps: JFK hit was '63, and under his successor, mason Lyndon Johnson, in '64 the Civil Rights Act appeared and passed, with many provisions i supported btw

however, that Act was misrepresented to the public as a way to re-integrate black males back into blighted ghettoes as fathers

intead, the Act was used as the primary legal springboard to class amerika by race, and worse, to elevate the amerikan female into the Protected Class category (unless youre going to argue that they dont have affirmative action etc too? cant wait!)

downard's essay strongly evidenced, circumstantially, that the JFK hit (and by extension, the Love Field Swearing-In) was accomlished under a heavily ritualized goddess-worshipping context, consistent with frazer, as an extension of "ancient" Mystery Religion (specifically Demetrian) rites

those rites are actually more evident, and easier to see contextually, in the Swearing-In than in the Dealey-Triple Underpass-etc. ritual

thus the immediately subsequent '64 CRA that enshrined amerikan females as a Privileged Class is a direct legislative/executive consequent of the preceding goddess-rituals (the sacrifice and then installlation of the new year-king within a triangle of three v prominent women)

the interests that stage-managed all this got quite a kick out of it, still do.... esp holding their Installation atop a "Field of Love" with the body still warm, while they went about codifying love out of existence, profiting themselves immensely while destroying family and the bond between female and male

then they rearranged the u.s. left away from labor/working men/the poor, and into a feminist/p.c. politburo, with plenty of good careers for troo bee leavers
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:09 pm

Ray, you do a shitty job expressing yourself. That said, I really appreciate the expansion on the theme. I didn't see your CRA claims as racism so much as a very strange opinion. Most of the statistics I'm aware of make it seem like life is, on average, a whole heck of a lot harder on black folks than white folks....has been for centuries in amerika, not just my supposition.

I don't aim to be part of RI's cracker liberal elite, it just comes naturally, I guess. My entire sense of the CRA is shaped by the fairy tale about how it gave Black folks the right to vote and use the same drinking fountains. I get the sense you might be slightly older than me.

And yes, I will be running for office in the future.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby nathan28 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:27 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:So to recap, ray thinks that black people represent a "permanent protected class" in America, Nathan brought out a full page of data about the actual economic situation of women in the US, and Stephen Morgan responded with 1) a fag joke and 2) an article from his hard drive from someone who thinks all that data just isn't important.

Great page, guys. This really is a fitting tribute to Downard/Hoffman's legacy.


Hey, if data is messing w/ Downard's legacy and you doubt my internet-fu, check out post #2 in the thread, and my tributes to M_n_t__ism a little further along. B/c I've been awake for like close to 48 hours now and smell like a freaking Class II pharma factory. Did I mention I've got a limited-run Spare print autographed by Kenneth and Steffi Grant directly over my kitchen ("office") table right now? Downard is quite well-served, I hope that insane Madison Grant meets Dr. Strange and a bottle of Astroglide motherfucker is burning in hell right now.

nathan28 wrote:Ah, this really brings back the memories, or the brain-damage where there are supposed to be memories. *Now* here is a Real Conspiracy Theorist, a dude too crazy, too racist, too antisemitic and too anti-gov't for even the John Birchers to accept him, not this watered-down stepchild "Reptilians cause chemtrails, no, by reptilians I do not mean 'Jews', honestly" crap. Bo Gritz ain't got shit on this dude, and it's taken most of the past ten years for Lyndon LaRouche to even start to get close to what this guy was saying. This is the straight, unadulterated*, hate-fueled Satanic Panic paranoia at its purest. The difference between David Icke and Downard is like the difference between 3.25% beer (Q:"Why do Americans drink beer so cold?" A:"So they can tell it apart from rat piss") and bathtub corn whiskey with the toxic methanol streaks still floating in it. One makes you piss a lot, the other causes throat cancer and blindness. After reading James Shelby Downard articles when I was 14, it took me more than a decade and about two serious recessions to get it out of my head.


*well, there are questions about how much Hoffman edited and wrote.

[size=85]http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg60542.html
http://www.whale.to/b/downard_h.html
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id17/pg1/index.html
http://www.disinfo.com/2007/12/making-manifest-all-that-is-hidden/
http://www.disinfo.com/2007/12/masonic-assassins-and-alchemical-rites-out-there-radio-episode-3/
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24194&p=269495
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23839&p=263420
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http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15505&p=158308
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http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9716&p=94215
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8938&p=93373
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:06 am

ray, is this where you're coming from?
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22168

As the American civil rights movement emerged in the 1950s, the established American oligarchy, in all its various forms and avenues of influence, set in motion simultaneous attempts to control the evolution of the movement, in order to both divide the movement and its leaders against each other, and also to control its direction. The Civil Rights Movement arose as an independent and people-driven movement in a struggle for black rights in America. In this, the movement presented a great threat to the establishment oligarchy, as historically the subjugation of black people within western society was not merely a result of western policies, but lies at the very foundations and bedrock of western ‘civilization’, politically, socially, and economically. Thus, challenging the segregation of race inevitably challenges the entire political, economic and social system.

The National Security State and its various apparatus, such as the CIA, FBI, police and military structures, saw the Civil Rights Movement as a threat to the status quo (as it was), and treated it as an ‘enemy of the state’. The apparatus of the National Security State were spying, infiltrating and disrupting the civil rights movement, and were ultimately planning for its elimination. Simultaneously, the major philanthropic foundations of America’s richest families and billionaire elites (whose imperial interests are served through the National Security State), moved in to actively fund the Civil Rights Movement, so as to control its progress and make it ‘safe for Capitalism.’ The idea was to prevent the Civil Rights Movement from remaining an organic people-driven movement and taking its natural course, which falls outside the false boundary of the social construct of race, and would seek to unite all oppressed and impoverished people of the world in one struggle against the system, itself. The role of the billionaire philanthropies was to ensure that the ‘Civil Rights Movement’ remained race-based, and that it became about black people being absorbed into and rising within the system, instead of fighting against it. It was about financially co-opting the movement to suit the interests of the ruling oligarchy.


I realize this doesn't even touch on the goddess sacrifice angle, but I'm dealing with 1 paradigm at a time for the moment.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby kristinerosemary » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:19 am

Ray has interesting ideas, ask him what else he sees in the king kill 33 tangle besides the field of love
swear in surrounded by three live aspects of the triple goddess, just ignore the part about civil rites for
a second, what else is in there Ray besides the strange scene on air force one...?

all the stuff no one likes is probably included as a three headed guard dog at the gates to
discredit the whole essay and play keepaway from those who don't have eyes to see
and ears to hear the terror of the situation.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Stephen Morgan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:06 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:So to recap, ray thinks that black people represent a "permanent protected class" in America, Nathan brought out a full page of data about the actual economic situation of women in the US, and Stephen Morgan responded with 1) a fag joke and 2) an article from his hard drive from someone who thinks all that data just isn't important.

Great page, guys. This really is a fitting tribute to Downard/Hoffman's legacy.


It wasn't a fag joke, it was a joke about the kind of lily-livered, limp-wristed, namby-pamby, metrosexual, liberal, do gooding, wimps one could expect to be sexually aroused by female supremacism.

And, of course, the article I posted was full of data whereas NAthan posted nothing of scientific value.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:15 pm

It's true, macro-picture statistics with links provided are quite useless compared to unsourced assertions from an article you found on your hard drive.

It was quite a good article, though...at least, I enjoyed reading it. The authors name, btw, was Warren Farrell.

What's strange, to me, is why you posted the article -- to support the thesis of a "The Feminist-Marxist Homeland Security State." Which it really doesn't do. The article was very interesting economics, but nothing further than that. Still, I do appreciate the brainfood and I apologize for making light of your actual contribution.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby barracuda » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:18 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:It wasn't a fag joke, it was a joke about the kind of lily-livered, limp-wristed, namby-pamby, metrosexual, liberal, do gooding, wimps one could expect to be sexually aroused by female supremacism.


Classic self-referential homophobia in action here, folks. Take notes.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby norton ash » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:22 pm

It wasn't a fag joke, it was a joke about the kind of lily-livered, limp-wristed, namby-pamby, metrosexual, liberal, do gooding, wimps one could expect to be sexually aroused by female supremacism.


This is a really tiresome hobby-horse of yours, Morgan, that you just can't resist trotting out.

And you did make a fag joke. Good job.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Stephen Morgan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:30 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Ray, you do a shitty job expressing yourself. That said, I really appreciate the expansion on the theme. I didn't see your CRA claims as racism so much as a very strange opinion.


He has lots of those. You should read his blog.

Most of the statistics I'm aware of make it seem like life is, on average, a whole heck of a lot harder on black folks than white folks....has been for centuries in amerika, not just my supposition.


Yeah. Well, black men, anyway. There aren't two million black women in American prisons, black women have a far stronger economic and social position than black men.

http://www.blacktown.net/

I should warn you, that website isn't the work of a cracker liberal elite and you may find offensive its position that feminists are literally witches.

I don't aim to be part of RI's cracker liberal elite, it just comes naturally, I guess. My entire sense of the CRA is shaped by the fairy tale about how it gave Black folks the right to vote and use the same drinking fountains. I get the sense you might be slightly older than me.


Yes, I think he is. I've been debating with him on t'internet for a decade or so now. The CRA stuff I've heard more from another internet associate who has strange ideas about the psychic powers of autistic people. I dare say I've been influenced by them, although already holding the same basic beliefs before hand.

And yes, I will be running for office in the future.


I'm going to be king of the world. No, just kidding, that's already Barry O'Bama's job. Pharoabama, I believe ray calls him.

It's true, macro-picture statistics with links provided are quite useless compared to unsourced assertions from an article you found on your hard drive.


I dealt with the macro-picture statistics, feel free to go back and read again.

It was quite a good article, though...at least, I enjoyed reading it. The authors name, btw, was Warren Farrell.


I know that. Strangely the original webpage has been changed now and doesn't have the same information on it.

http://www.menstuff.org/columns/farrell ... e.html#top

What's strange, to me, is why you posted the article -- to support the thesis of a "The Feminist-Marxist Homeland Security State." Which it really doesn't do. The article was very interesting economics, but nothing further than that. Still, I do appreciate the brainfood and I apologize for making light of your actual contribution.


I was arguing against the existence of an unjust pay gap, not for the existence of the gynogulag, to use ray's phrase.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:39 pm

^^Roger that, appreciate the clarification. I find very little actually "offensive," btw, I've been reading outside my comfort zone for 20 years now, equally interested in Makow and Paglia. (Although Paglia is by far the better writer.) Most of my favorite authors espouse beliefs I disagree with, such as the Collins brothers, Howard Bloom, or John Dolan. That said, I do find the feminism/witchcraft correlation deeply stupid, but that's a whole other kettle of subjectivity.
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