Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

[Hunter]

what's not going to get a warm reception for me here is bringing right wing conspiracy crap to this board as something to believe has any merit whatsoever...as if the old white male misogynistic bigoted theonomic reconstructionist fascismo wing bullshit has any truth in fact

What about left wing conspiracy crap, honest question not being a smart ass.


See I dont believe when it comes to conspiracies of this magnitude, that there is really a left and a right, they only want you to see it that way for this very reason, so everyone keeps bickering among each other and taking sides and is too distracted to see what is really happening in front of them, but that is just my 2 cents, I could be very wrong and perhaps this is all a set up by the Neo Cons to ruin Obama and Clinton, I am surely open to that, but I do recall a "Fuck Obama" thread on here where many an RIer has pointed out that Obama walks in lockstep with the Neo Con agenda.

:shrugs:

[munkiex]

As for the charges themselves it seems like business as usual in terms of US foreign policy. If you look at the United States correctly as a gangster state (running guns, drugs, and a protection racket), then these kinds of turf wars are bound to happy to those who don't play ball. Even if they are nominally part of the gang. I doubt we'll ever know exactly what the true justification was for hanging that location out to dry, but given how effectively it was done I don't doubt it was intentional. Plus there were several high-profile shake-ups in the military brass following the attack that you rarely see.

As an aside, I find it puzzling that anyone on this board still takes the right v. left thing seriously in mainstream politics.

[seemslikeadream]

Ring-ring, ring-ring.

Epistemic closure is on the phone.

Asking for you. Sounds urgent.

Should I...?

Oh wait, someone else is calling, too...

Hello? Yes? Yes, they are. Okay.

Says the name is Cognitive Dissonance?

Does that name mean anything to you?

MY

[Hunter]

As for the charges themselves it seems like business as usual in terms of US foreign policy. If you look at the United States correctly as a gangster state (running guns, drugs, and a protection racket), then these kinds of turf wars are bound to happy to those who don't play ball. Even if they are nominally part of the gang. I doubt we'll ever know exactly what the true justification was for hanging that location out to dry, but given how effectively it was done I don't doubt it was intentional. Plus there were several high-profile shake-ups in the military brass following the attack that you rarely see.

As an aside, I find it puzzling that anyone on this board still takes the right v. left thing seriously in mainstream politics.

Exactly how I feel, but what do I know?


There were high profile military brass shakeups and the CIA director stepped down after some possibly manufatured scandal, who the fuck knows whats really going on here, my point all along is that we should look at all sources and sides even the right, and the left, if you insist on dividing sides up, in an attempt to see if we can sift out of the facts from the fiction both sides are putting out.

[lupercal]

See I dont believe when it comes to conspiracies of this magnitude, that there is really a left and a right, they only want you to see it that way for this very reason, so everyone keeps bickering among each other and taking sides and is too distracted to see what is really happening in front of them, but that is just my 2 cents, I could be very wrong and perhaps this is all a set up by the Neo Cons to ruin Obama and Clinton,

Yes Percy, there is a Vast Right Wing conspiracy. Now to answer your question munkiex --

As an aside, I find it puzzling that anyone on this board still takes the right v. left thing seriously in mainstream politics.

-- Greenwald, Chomsky, Hedges and the rest of the ratpack are part of it.

[conniption]

Jon Stewart Rips Fox News Over Benghazi Coverage

8:42 min

[JackRiddler]

It's pretty easy.

When the USG helps create a warzone somewhere, as it did for example in -- oh look, Libya! there's one -- and then Americans working for the US government, in whatever capacity, happen to be killed in said warzone, for whatever reason -- no matter what the story -- and then, in addition, if said Americans rank more highly than mere enlisted military personnel, then this -- this! -- is very, very, very, very, very... (add another 163 veries) important. It's the most important thing in the world, the crux on which all other issues turn, comets crashing, oil spills, Arctic melts, nukes, catfood for grandma, slavery, you name it, it all doesn't matter. Because one dead finger of any of the precious American employees of the American American government who die in the American-made warzone is worth months of American American American TV time, and months of American Congressional scrutiny (no, wrong: months on top of what you thought was already months). That dead American American finger is far more valuable than a million or a jillion full bodies of whatever native peoples are being killed/starved/displaced or otherwise fucked over in said warzone, or in the surrounding nations where the refugees go (which are usually the next targets on the list). Fuck the world, fossilized militarists must stroke off while saluting the ten-mile flag of the SS Nukemall!

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[FourthBase]

What if it's important because it could get elite sociopaths impeached and/or imprisoned?
No, not just Democrats. Maybe not any Democrats. Maybe only Republicans. Who knows.

Would it be pretty important then?

p.s. Got any links or leads on Tony Blair?

[DrEvil]

Maybe not relevant, but Sean Smith was also known as Vile Rat, chief diplomat for the Goonswarm Federation (Something Awful) in Eve Online. The Mittani, Vile Rat's boss in-game was chatting with him when shit hit the fan.

http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

[brainpanhandler]

See I dont believe when it comes to conspiracies of this magnitude, that there is really a left and a right, they only want you to see it that way for this very reason, so everyone keeps bickering among each other and taking sides and is too distracted to see what is really happening in front of them..

who the fuck knows whats really going on here

Do you really believe the members of this board are too distracted by right/left paradigms to see what is really happening right in front of them?

So which is it: We can't see what is happening right in front of us or who the fuck knows what is really going on?

Personally I don't know and I guess that's largely because I don't believe I can know.

But fwiw I believe something like what Justdrew wrote on the first page of this thread is probably right:

The right wing fascists have waged full on psiwar against this administration since before day 1

They are losing and are desperate wounded animals and may just go full retard any minute now.

There's nothing to it. There doesn't need to be. Their base is so conditioned and mind controlled they eat this shit up. It might be just a ratings thing though. They're desperate to retain whatever audience they can.

I consider it very likely the darker elements of the rightwing fascist networks CONTROLLED and initiated the attack and that they planned on it being far worse than it was. Their intention was to create another Iran Hostage rescue fail type incident, just before the election. Obama didn't take the bait and their plan was largely foiled. Now they're just trying to get what they can out of it, and keep on the attack least we take a closer look at them.

Holding the opinion that right wing fascists are behind this particular psyop does not mean one is blind to what is right in front of them, nor does is it preclude the existence of left wing fascists. It's just a language convention for the way people talk about politics. Maybe the language needs to change. Until it does maybe at least we here can begin to give each other the benefit of the doubt as to whether anyone here is really blinded by partisan politcs.

[8bitagent]

What I find outrageous is that the media/left leaning media/alternative media ISNT FUCKING ASKING

1) Why wasnt the Republicans pressing this hard on unanswered 9/11 questions and investigations???

2) The bizarre irony and FACT Mccain and Lindsay were MEETING and shaking hands with Ghadafi in freaking 2009, less than a year and a half before
they were begging Obama to start blindly arming possibly al Qaeda linked groups?

Not a single person Ive seen in the media nor popular left leaning sites has brought up the irony or similarity of pressing for truth on Benghazi and pressing for truth on 9/11/2001

THIS EVENT HAPPENED ON 9/11/2012. They keep referring to Benghazi as THE SEPTEMBER 11th ATTACK. That right there gives in away.

Also its weird to now have to be defending Obama. Did I mention that I really dislike right wingers in a I wanna vomit when I hear their shit sort of way?

what's not going to get a warm reception for me here is bringing right wing conspiracy crap to this board as something to believe has any merit whatsoever...as if the old white male misogynistic bigoted theonomic reconstructionist fascismo wing bullshit has any truth in fact

What about left wing conspiracy crap

Like stolen elections, faked WMD intel in Iraq, etc?

[seemslikeadream]

What about left wing conspiracy crap

could you elaborate? what left wing crap are you talking about?

[seemslikeadream]

Dick Cheney Suggests Republicans Subpoena Hillary Clinton On Benghazi

[compared2what?]

I could be very wrong and perhaps this is all a set up by the Neo Cons to ruin Obama and Clinton, I am surely open to that, but I do recall a "Fuck Obama" thread on here where many an RIer has pointed out that Obama walks in lockstep with the Neo Con agenda.

I don't recall that myself. But I might not.

Did you know that it was completely untrue? They hate him. Actually.

[8bitagent]

I could be very wrong and perhaps this is all a set up by the Neo Cons to ruin Obama and Clinton, I am surely open to that, but I do recall a "Fuck Obama" thread on here where many an RIer has pointed out that Obama walks in lockstep with the Neo Con agenda.

I don't recall that myself. But I might not.

Did you know that it was completely untrue? They hate him. Actually.

To Alchemy, because life isn't black and white. As an example I think Russia and Syria are psychopathic war criminals, but I also recognize that the neocons have had an obsession of using the same al Qaeda jihadists they raked us over the coals in fear with post 9/11 to destabilize those countries by proxy.

Obama says Gitmo needs to be closed ASAP, is fighting off neocons who want war in Syria, is a proponent of abolishing a ban on gay marriage federally, takes Republicans to task on women's rights, etc.
There's a lot to like about Obama even if it's just lipservice. I said in 2008 "I Want To Believe"(to use an X-files adage)
However I also recognize things done by or under Obama I ain't cool with.
The hate the right wing has toward Obama is real.

Karl Rove literally thought he had Romney in the White House. You can see it on his face. Now maybe the real puppetmasters wanted Obama in the whole time, but from a visible standpoint the unending hate toward Obama by right wingers is very genuine.