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Project Willow » 30 Aug 2013 19:04 wrote:slimmouse wrote:
I actually interupted this myopic discussion originally, to inform people that "the illuminati" do very much exist, despite all denials of such.
I'd like to see an evidence-based argument for that, meaning the contemporary version of course. I've had unfortunate contact with a number of folks on whom some would apply that label, but I never heard these people refer to themselves as such, but then again, I have no memory of a project Monarch being mentioned either, so maybe I've just got it all wrong.
American Dream » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:15 pm wrote:I certainly could endorse the idea of a general strike but the devil is in the details. What do we think is wrong with the status quo? How shall we organize ourselves? What kind of economics will we practice? How will decisions be made? What sort of principles are central to what we are doing? What tactics shall we practice? What is our overall strategy?
Vague platitudes ain't gonna get it...
Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:33 pm wrote:All I can think of when I read shit like "Ending Capitalism and Constructing a Classless Society" is Mao.
How can you create a classless society without a ruling class to dismantle the existing class structure?
How can you then dismantle your new ruling class without an interim ruling class to manage the transition?
Who finally decides that a classless society has been achieved?
From genesis to endgame, it's all pretty Harrison Bergeron, innit?
Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:46 pm wrote:Appreciate your patient explication of my drive-by critiques, as ever. Thank you.
slimmouse » 30 Aug 2013 11:33 wrote:
If I could guarantee that in later life, I wouldn't be incriminating myself for inciting treason, terrorism, or some other act of murderous subterfuge, I could probably tell you who the core illuminati are. They have their major offices in London, Rome and Washington. Branches in Brussels, Geneva and New York. These are the teflon crowd when it comes to such investigations as the Jimmy Saville case, or the "financial crisis", or the "Iraq/syria have weapons of mass destruction."
American Dream » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:03 pm wrote:Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:46 pm wrote:Appreciate your patient explication of my drive-by critiques, as ever. Thank you.
I should add that the big problem with orthodox Marxism-Leninism, including Maoism, is centering things on the supposed need for the party. One big party, with one line and one central leadership. With Democratic Centralism, you're not really supposed to question the line once it's formed.
These kind of parties might get things done, but at a great price.
Also, Searcher, I will work on a response to you but that will take time...
American Dream » 30 Aug 2013 12:18 wrote:
To do things without authoritarian hierarchy would have to be a work in progress.
"We make the road by walking" as Antonio Machado and Paolo Friere have so ably said.
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