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To name a few * Dylann Storm Roof 21 (his father bought him a .45-caliber gun) killed 9, June 17, 2015 at Charleston church Bible study, was on drugs, opium and doctor prescribed Suboxone for opiate addiction. * Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings pilot, killed 150 in French Alps April 3, 2015, was on antidepressants treated by a doctor for depression. * Darion Marcus Aguilar, 19, of College Park. COLUMBIA, Md. Mar 12, 2014 shot 25, killed two employees at Zumiez, a skateboarding store, worked at a drug rehab center. * James Eagan Holmes (born December 13, 1987) is an American known for carrying out the 2012 Aurora shooting that killed 12 people and injured 70 others at a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, on July 20, 2012, was taking the anti-depressant drug Zoloft. * Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
Someone should investigate on pharmaceutical drugs as a common ingredient of mass murders. To name a few
backtoiam » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:25 pm wrote:CNN pretty much got assreamed all day long.
Ass reamed? I'm wondering, complicit? Right now CNN has a mini doc on about some prisoner that got executed in prison, or something, instead of retractions and explanations. "Death Row Stories." Job accomplished I guess.
I'm old. I had to read this article 3 or 4 times because I don't understand the terminology. It was very confusing to me. http://gawker.com/how-4chan-trolled-two ... 1734265649
Yesterday CNN repeated the "angry white male, with gun, no girlfriend, mentally ill" race bait shit over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Which was repeated by someone on this forum, and applauded by a couple of others, which greatly disturbs and disorients me because I have been posting in this forum, which also now possibly disturbs me.
It is an intentionally and carefully crafted narrative designed to be invective, divisive, and damaging just like all the Muslim, Black, Jewish, Christian, and everything else bashing, and it is happening here? Really? I noticed a trend of that reinforcement, and I was under the assumption that racism, no matter what color a person is, was strictly taboo on this forum.
Maybe I don't understand where I am. Which makes me sad due to all the brilliance of the people here. Neat places with smart people are hard to find.
I may not post for a while until I sort some of this out for myself. I might not understand, some things I need to understand...That's what he gets for not giving Death Grips Exmilitary a 10/10. The rap game is serious shit.
I have no idea in hell what that means...
Deadly minutes in a classroom
Chaos, death and bravery as another tragedy unfolds
By Michael Wines, New York Times
Published 8:39 pm, Saturday, October 3, 2015
Twenty-year-old Marc Beckwith was in Room 16 of low-slung, mansard-roofed Snyder Hall, preparing for his computer lab. Cassandra Welding, also 20, was slipping into the lab room just as a familiar figure was slipping out.
It was Lawrence Levine, low-key, bearded, grizzled, on his way to teach a writing class next door in Room 15. Welding had taken the class, and treasured his patient encouragement. "I said, 'Oh, hi, Larry,'" she recalled in an interview.
The classes began at 10 a.m. By shortly after 10:30, Levine, 67, was dead of a gunshot wound to the head.
Thursday, cool and cloudy, was the fourth day of classes at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg. Planted gracefully in a hairpin bend of southwest Oregon's North Umpqua River, the tree-studded campus seemed to embody what the college's website promised: "a peaceful, safe atmosphere" for aspiring scholars of any age to pursue their dreams.
But it was not. Levine was among the first people whom 26-year-old Christopher Harper-Mercer, a student in his class, shot to death. He would kill eight more — a 20-year-old forward on the school basketball squad, a 34-year-old outdoorsman out to improve his mind, a 59-year-old British expatriate attending college with her daughter, and others — before police officers arrived and wounded him in an exchange of gunfire.
Harper-Mercer died in an ambulance, possibly of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
"I heard one shot and said, 'We need to get out.' Then I heard a second and third, and I ran," said Sarah Cobb, a first-year student who was in a writing classroom next to Levine's. "I was sprinting. I never ran so fast in my life.
"I kept my head when I was running away from the scene, but when I was in lockdown I broke down," she said.
The minutes Harper-Mercer needed for his grisly work were an eternity for the scores of students and instructors in Snyder Hall. The carnage was mostly limited to Levine's classroom, where almost all of the occupants apparently were either killed or wounded. But in other classrooms, scenes of terror, panic and heroism played out as students crawled into hiding, cared for the wounded and, in one case, stood off the gunman as he sought to enter.
Roseburg now joins Charleston, S.C.; Newtown, Conn.; Blacksburg, Va.; Aurora, Colo., and many more on the roster of places where troubled men with firearms — almost uniformly men — have uncorked their rage through mass killings.
Like some of them, Harper-Mercer was deeply involved with firearms and had a small armory during his Snyder Hall rampage: body armor, five handguns, a semiautomatic rifle and several magazines of ammunition. Like virtually all, he smoldered with real or imagined grievances in a life that seemed off-kilter to others, and pointless to himself, investigators say.
Described by neighbors as terse and morose, Harper-Mercer lived with his mother, who divorced his father when their son was about 16. Harper-Mercer had a brief and failed stint in Army basic training in 2008 and graduated from a California high school for students with learning disabilities the next year. At home, he inveighed against noisy neighbors, barking dogs, roach-infested rooms, organized religion and, shortly before the killings, an existence devoid of girlfriends and sex.
Roseburg held the prospect of a better life. Harper-Mercer and his mother, Laurel Harper, moved there from a one-bedroom apartment in Torrance, Calif., after she found a nursing job. "It was what she was looking for, peace and quiet, no city life. They were up there to start over again," Louie Flores, 32, a neighbor in Torrance, said in an interview. "Chris, that was the first time I had actually seen him happy, to be honest."
When Levine convened his class in Snyder Hall on Thursday morning, Harper-Mercer was apparently not in his seat. When he did appear roughly a half-hour later, descriptions of what happened vary. Some say he fired through a window, striking Levine in the head, even before barging through a classroom door from a parking lot.
A graphic but unverified account by family members of one injured student, Anastasia Boylan, differed. Harper-Mercer stormed into the room, they said in an interview with CNN, and said to Levine, "I've been waiting to do this for years." Then he shot him.
In the computer lab next door where Welding and Beckwith were, the instructor had left on a brief errand. The students know only that they heard a loud pop — like a book being dropped on the floor — and, perhaps 10 seconds later, a scream and a man's voice.
A pause. A second shot, a third, a fourth and then screams. In the lab, Beckwith said, one older student, a woman with graying hair and a cane, went to a door that, like others in the building, opened to the exterior, not a hallway, and stepped out. "I'm going to go check on them," he recalled her saying. Seconds later, she returned and collapsed into his arms. Her chest was bloody, and part of her right arm had been ripped away. "Don't go out there," he said she had told him. "It's not safe."
Beckwith said he did anyway, racing across the parking lot to a nearby house to summon help. At 10:38, the Douglas County Sheriff's Department received a call from the campus. Seconds later, a dispatcher asked for medical aid at Snyder Hall.
"Somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door," the dispatcher said. "There is a female in the computer lab. We do have one female that has been shot."
Patrol cars were racing to campus, asking where Snyder Hall was. "We are looking up location on a map," the dispatcher radioed, some 2 1/2 minutes after the initial call for help.
More than a minute later: "There's approximately 35 people in Snyder Hall right now in the classrooms."
In the adjacent rooms, panic reigned. In the computer lab, Welding said, the woman who had been shot, gasping for air, was dragged inside and given CPR. As others shouted "Close the door!" someone shut off the lights. With gunshots popping from Room 15, the students barricaded themselves in a corner with desks and backpacks.
Across the wall from Levine's classroom, Hannah Miles, 19, was in a writing class when the shots erupted. Students suggested that the instructor open a sliding door connecting the two classes to see what was happening. "I'm not going to open that door," Miles quoted the teacher as saying, but she did knock and ask whether all was well.
The response was a staccato of shots. "Everybody out," someone yelled, and the classroom emptied chaotically into the outdoors, students running to other buildings to hide.
Chris Mintz, a 30-year-old Army veteran who was studying fitness training at Umpqua, saw the gunman. According to family and friends, he blocked a classroom door as Harper-Mercer tried to enter.
The gunman shot him repeatedly through the doorway, then pushed through. Mintz, on the floor, told his attacker that it was his son's sixth birthday, and was shot again. Mintz is expected to recover from his wounds.
Barely six minutes after a dispatcher raised the first alarm, an officer who had arrived on campus radioed a message: "We're exchanging shots with him. He's in a classroom on the southeast side of Snyder Hall."
Two minutes later, another messages crackled over the radio: "Code Four," the officer said, signaling that no more help was needed. "The suspect is down."
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Deadly-minutes-in-a-classroom-6548590.php
Luther Blissett » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:28 am wrote:
It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.
Researching all these divergent paths is very important: the psychiatry angle, the pharmaceutical angle, the Orion / social engineering / civil destabilization / social control angle, the American psyche angle, and the class and race angle. I'm all for diving down every rabbit hole, but there's no way in hell I'm going to ignore the race one
General Patton » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:53 pm wrote:Luther Blissett » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:28 am wrote:
It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.
Agree for the most part. Outside of Baltimore, DC, and a few other black cities there isn't any structure in the US for blacks to systemically select against whites beyond AA.
My brain went into loops and I couldn't stop the loops.
It makes sense to me- its like being disembodied. I feel like that too sometimes, disoriented and foggy and disembodied. It's like observing yourself doing things from afar almost.
Brain zaps... to me are like little mental seizures/shivers. It's like that *POW* feeling I get if I hit my head too hard, only like twenty of them all at once in a shorter span of time. To me it feels like my brain is spasming.
The two are very different for me, I don't know how it is for everyone else though.
Is it like Depersonalization??? like you are watching a movie??? like your surroundings look weird?
Brain Zaps, are like electrical sensations inside my head.
http://www.cymbaltawithdrawal.com/topic ... rain-zaps/
OMG Im so glad to see this topic. I can't tell you how crazy I have felt on and getting off Cymbalta. My health care provider makes me feel not only like im crazy but some kind of drug seeker! I have been or was on Cymbalta for about 6 years now for pain management along with a lot of narcotics for pain. The pain meds didn't seem to work no matter how much I took. I was getting that (shocking and shaking , earth quakes in my head) feeling along with memory loss, the inability to express my thoughts and a slew of other symptoms, while on Cymbalta. I told my provider and she ignored me, decided I needed to be on less pain meds. I was at a point last month that I really didn't want to live any more. I felt like I was going through the motions of living in terrible pain that was never going to get better or be at the minimum controlled. The pain in my neck, shoulders between my wing bones and especially the very top of my spine into my head were the worse .I have fibromyalgia, planters factious, arthritius and a slew of other pain issues. I have an issue with spasms in my back and this last year no matter what they gave me the spasms not only wouldn't relax but got so much worse. I had the experience last year of not having the money to get my Cymbalta for a day and a half. During that time the symptoms I described got really really bad! I decided last month that my only hope was to stop the medication and see what happened The symptoms got much worse but after a few days my pain meds seemed to work even though I was on half of what I had been on previously. I actually got some relief!! I could feel them taking the pain away and my muscles relaxing. I have now been off Cymbalta for 3 weeks and though im still experiencing the Withdrawal symptoms they have gotten better the shocks are at night mostly and less intense then they had been. I still have really bad days, especially with insomnia. I read that this drug only had a 12 week trial before using us as guinea pigs. Im afraid of what symptoms from this drug are permanent and what will over time go away. This is week 4 off of it and im still experiencing withdrawals so we will see. I would love to hear back from those of you that have gone more then a month off this drug are you still getting shocks? Having trouble sleeping, expressing your thoughts, etc? Thank you for writing all these articles so I can now stop thinking im the crazy one. Im going to print them and show them to my provider. Diana
http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/ ... rawl-hell/
Luther wrote,
It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.
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