Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:04 am

That is a perfect question, because most of the "What does X mean?" inquiries can be boiled down to mere memes, movie references, obscure in-jokes, cultural signifiers.

"Asking for a friend" is a tacit admission that I -- 1) don't actually care about and/or already know the answer, and 2) am 100% asking for myself and have no friends.

A good shorthand for the post-9/11 generation is that any obvious sarcasm indicates a clear awareness of the issues behind the trolling. Or they're just Juggalo ninjas. Either way, don't get offended. That never ends well.

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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby backtoiam » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:30 am

Juggalo ninjas, I will have to look that up.

Improbability Drive, due to the Law of Truly Large Numbers. That is a no brainer.

I still don't understand the white man bashing thing. I'm not an idiot though, I do understand the vast damage the white has done. I also understand the class warfare problem. But is that another rap thing, or does it just get a pass due to the evils of the white man?


Due to my previous posts I am obviously fairly clued in. But fuck...
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Grizzly » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:38 am

Ahhh, so no bites on 'The King of Torts'... Not a Grisham fan, however he does a great job of unpacking and describing this:

Someone should investigate on pharmaceutical drugs as a common ingredient of mass murders. To name a few


https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... aceutical/
To name a few * Dylann Storm Roof 21 (his father bought him a .45-caliber gun) killed 9, June 17, 2015 at Charleston church Bible study, was on drugs, opium and doctor prescribed Suboxone for opiate addiction. * Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings pilot, killed 150 in French Alps April 3, 2015, was on antidepressants treated by a doctor for depression. * Darion Marcus Aguilar, 19, of College Park. COLUMBIA, Md. Mar 12, 2014 shot 25, killed two employees at Zumiez, a skateboarding store, worked at a drug rehab center. * James Eagan Holmes (born December 13, 1987) is an American known for carrying out the 2012 Aurora shooting that killed 12 people and injured 70 others at a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, on July 20, 2012, was taking the anti-depressant drug Zoloft. * Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.



The novel certainly brings this home.
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby backtoiam » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:26 am

Someone should investigate on pharmaceutical drugs as a common ingredient of mass murders. To name a few


You are absolutely, 100%, correct. I don't want to speak for 82_28 but I think this is what he calls a double bind. When I was in the business we called it "putting your nuts in a vice."

Being the backwards thinker I am, just for the sheer grins, giggles, and folly of it all, I'm gonna turn it backwards.

Someone should investigate the people that put drama drugs in pills that cause the public to kill the public.

Now, as strictly an activity of expanded thinking, I'm gonna twist it...

People on psych drugs are crazy, no wonder they kill people, they MUST be monitored.



Considering the new Psychological Index of disorders, which qualifies everybody to have a disorder, and need psych meds, anybody with a gun, or anything else activity that is not permitted, is obviously out of their mind. We know that because there is a "code" in the Psych Manual that tells us so. And they need psych meds for that. I watched it get made...just sayin...

So, anybody that does not follow the script, needs a med, those that take a med are obviously crazy. If you are breathing, eventually you will need a med. The reason you need a med is because you are crazy, and the reason you are crazy is because you are taking a med.

Psych Manual says so. Its called a REVOLUTION, it revolves...words for the wise...no matter how pissed you get, be pissed, NEVER have med on your accounted for list, or you will be accounted for.

Brilliant...ya dig?
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby 82_28 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:01 am

Well, since I was mentioned, I too was on Luvox for quite a few years and it "worked" for a time, but I rightly discerned that it was driving me into psychosis so I quit cold turkey. It worked for a few days (quitting) and then I became very angry and agitated so I filled my next script to make me not feel that way. It went away. But then! I started getting akathisia. My brain went into loops and I couldn't stop the loops.

Akathisia, or acathisia (from Greek καθίζειν kathízein – "to sit", a- indicating negation or absence, lit. "inability to sit") is a movement disorder characterized by a feeling of inner restlessness and a compelling need to be in constant motion, as well as by actions such as rocking while standing or sitting, lifting the feet as if marching on the spot, and crossing and uncrossing the legs while sitting. People with akathisia are unable to sit or keep still, complain of restlessness, fidget, rock from foot to foot, and pace.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia

Only one eye would completely dilate sometimes. Akathisia is very, very difficult to describe, because it can't be. It's an anxiety without description and without reason. The only way I found to stop it was to turn everything I had on at full blast. TV, radio, something on the computer (everything I had that could make noise that wasn't from my brain) and SLAM THREE OR FOUR BEERS in succession. So I "weaned" myself off on my own (which the doctors say you can't or shouldn't do) by dropping my dosage until I was off it. That shit also makes you grind your teeth within terrifying dreams.

Then, I went into a deep OCD fueled depression and decided to go back on Luvox. I was driving to work as I was beginning to get my bloodstream infused with it and I realized that I could tell where I was, but did not feel where I was. There's the Aurora Bridge, there's a tree, there's a leaf, there are lawns, there are boats etc just to prove to myself that I could still think. That's when I said never again and frankly and in all honesty, that is when I became a non lurker here! 2007 I think it says on my user whatnot. So about then.

Not to suck no dick, but Jeff had a profound influence on getting my ass out of one foot in the grave along with many others. That's the reason I care so much about RI. My family wanted to hospitalize me back then. But here is where I came instead.

I would have never shot nuthin' up ever, but I can see where it could come from.

Here's my "form" of OCD:

Harm OCD is a manifestation of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) in which an individual experiences intrusive, unwanted, distressing thoughts of causing harm. These harming thoughts are perceived as being ego-dystonic, which simply means that the thoughts are inconsistent with the individual’s values, beliefs and sense of self. Harming obsessions typically center around the belief that one must be absolutely certain that they are in control at all times in order to ensure that they are not responsible for a violent or otherwise fatal act.

It is not fair to say that one form of OCD causes more pain than another. In our experience of treating individuals with OCD, those with compulsive hand washing appear to be in no less pain than those who live in fear of being sexual deviants or psychopaths. What sets Harm OCD apart is the way in which it attacks the things we love the most, and does so with such brutality and lack of mercy as to astound even the most creative minds. The moments that we most want to be highlighted by memories of peace and contentment suddenly become contaminated by mental imagery of horrific violence and feelings of relentless guilt.

http://ocdla.com/harm-ocd-1-1982

Yeah. I'm one of those people that have literally known I didn't do anything to kill, was no evidence for, nothing I saw someone or something but have to check and check to make sure and make sure and make sure.

But dem drugs is bad.
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:28 pm

backtoiam » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:25 pm wrote:
CNN pretty much got assreamed all day long.


Ass reamed? I'm wondering, complicit? Right now CNN has a mini doc on about some prisoner that got executed in prison, or something, instead of retractions and explanations. "Death Row Stories." Job accomplished I guess.

I'm old. I had to read this article 3 or 4 times because I don't understand the terminology. It was very confusing to me. http://gawker.com/how-4chan-trolled-two ... 1734265649

Yesterday CNN repeated the "angry white male, with gun, no girlfriend, mentally ill" race bait shit over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Which was repeated by someone on this forum, and applauded by a couple of others, which greatly disturbs and disorients me because I have been posting in this forum, which also now possibly disturbs me.

It is an intentionally and carefully crafted narrative designed to be invective, divisive, and damaging just like all the Muslim, Black, Jewish, Christian, and everything else bashing, and it is happening here? Really? I noticed a trend of that reinforcement, and I was under the assumption that racism, no matter what color a person is, was strictly taboo on this forum.

Maybe I don't understand where I am. Which makes me sad due to all the brilliance of the people here. Neat places with smart people are hard to find.

I may not post for a while until I sort some of this out for myself. I might not understand, some things I need to understand...

That's what he gets for not giving Death Grips Exmilitary a 10/10. The rap game is serious shit.

I have no idea in hell what that means...


I certainly hadn't watched CNN or gotten any coverage of this even from them. My post came from discussion with two black friends and one white friend, and from real history of mass shooters being predominantly white in this country. I'll concede that he's since been identified as multiracial and that I wasn't aware of that when I made my post. I was posting as something feeling, an antidote to the cold statistics of numbers of dead bodies that preceded it. One statistic I can't deny is that by any metric, the race of mass shooters is white in a majority of cases.

And yes, I appreciate the irony that Sean White is black and this killer is "white". They both could obviously "pass" if they wanted to and there's a whole host of literature out there about colorism and privilege one gets for "passing" and how many more opportunities are available for people based on the color of their skin. It's not my fight and there already been truckloads of ink spilled by people with dark complexions explaining it. Sean White chooses to live his life as a preacher and civil rights activist though, and by comparison this killer seems to have a much different identity than that. I'm not going to play psychologist with him as others have dug up plenty on his past and in the absence of a manifesto it's doubtful we're ever going to know how he really deeply identified himself. We could intuit, if we chose to.

It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.

Obviously I don't think anyone should exhibit any form of hate against any other human and that ideally no one would hate another person for any reason. I think we can all at least agree that every example within the pyramid of hate is a bad thing.

Researching all these divergent paths is very important: the psychiatry angle, the pharmaceutical angle, the Orion / social engineering / civil destabilization / social control angle, the American psyche angle, and the class and race angle. I'm all for diving down every rabbit hole, but there's no way in hell I'm going to ignore the race one.
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:47 pm

Deadly minutes in a classroom
Chaos, death and bravery as another tragedy unfolds

By Michael Wines, New York Times
Published 8:39 pm, Saturday, October 3, 2015

Twenty-year-old Marc Beckwith was in Room 16 of low-slung, mansard-roofed Snyder Hall, preparing for his computer lab. Cassandra Welding, also 20, was slipping into the lab room just as a familiar figure was slipping out.

It was Lawrence Levine, low-key, bearded, grizzled, on his way to teach a writing class next door in Room 15. Welding had taken the class, and treasured his patient encouragement. "I said, 'Oh, hi, Larry,'" she recalled in an interview.

The classes began at 10 a.m. By shortly after 10:30, Levine, 67, was dead of a gunshot wound to the head.

Thursday, cool and cloudy, was the fourth day of classes at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg. Planted gracefully in a hairpin bend of southwest Oregon's North Umpqua River, the tree-studded campus seemed to embody what the college's website promised: "a peaceful, safe atmosphere" for aspiring scholars of any age to pursue their dreams.

But it was not. Levine was among the first people whom 26-year-old Christopher Harper-Mercer, a student in his class, shot to death. He would kill eight more — a 20-year-old forward on the school basketball squad, a 34-year-old outdoorsman out to improve his mind, a 59-year-old British expatriate attending college with her daughter, and others — before police officers arrived and wounded him in an exchange of gunfire.

Harper-Mercer died in an ambulance, possibly of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

"I heard one shot and said, 'We need to get out.' Then I heard a second and third, and I ran," said Sarah Cobb, a first-year student who was in a writing classroom next to Levine's. "I was sprinting. I never ran so fast in my life.

"I kept my head when I was running away from the scene, but when I was in lockdown I broke down," she said.

The minutes Harper-Mercer needed for his grisly work were an eternity for the scores of students and instructors in Snyder Hall. The carnage was mostly limited to Levine's classroom, where almost all of the occupants apparently were either killed or wounded. But in other classrooms, scenes of terror, panic and heroism played out as students crawled into hiding, cared for the wounded and, in one case, stood off the gunman as he sought to enter.

Roseburg now joins Charleston, S.C.; Newtown, Conn.; Blacksburg, Va.; Aurora, Colo., and many more on the roster of places where troubled men with firearms — almost uniformly men — have uncorked their rage through mass killings.

Like some of them, Harper-Mercer was deeply involved with firearms and had a small armory during his Snyder Hall rampage: body armor, five handguns, a semiautomatic rifle and several magazines of ammunition. Like virtually all, he smoldered with real or imagined grievances in a life that seemed off-kilter to others, and pointless to himself, investigators say.

Described by neighbors as terse and morose, Harper-Mercer lived with his mother, who divorced his father when their son was about 16. Harper-Mercer had a brief and failed stint in Army basic training in 2008 and graduated from a California high school for students with learning disabilities the next year. At home, he inveighed against noisy neighbors, barking dogs, roach-infested rooms, organized religion and, shortly before the killings, an existence devoid of girlfriends and sex.

Roseburg held the prospect of a better life. Harper-Mercer and his mother, Laurel Harper, moved there from a one-bedroom apartment in Torrance, Calif., after she found a nursing job. "It was what she was looking for, peace and quiet, no city life. They were up there to start over again," Louie Flores, 32, a neighbor in Torrance, said in an interview. "Chris, that was the first time I had actually seen him happy, to be honest."

When Levine convened his class in Snyder Hall on Thursday morning, Harper-Mercer was apparently not in his seat. When he did appear roughly a half-hour later, descriptions of what happened vary. Some say he fired through a window, striking Levine in the head, even before barging through a classroom door from a parking lot.

A graphic but unverified account by family members of one injured student, Anastasia Boylan, differed. Harper-Mercer stormed into the room, they said in an interview with CNN, and said to Levine, "I've been waiting to do this for years." Then he shot him.

In the computer lab next door where Welding and Beckwith were, the instructor had left on a brief errand. The students know only that they heard a loud pop — like a book being dropped on the floor — and, perhaps 10 seconds later, a scream and a man's voice.

A pause. A second shot, a third, a fourth and then screams. In the lab, Beckwith said, one older student, a woman with graying hair and a cane, went to a door that, like others in the building, opened to the exterior, not a hallway, and stepped out. "I'm going to go check on them," he recalled her saying. Seconds later, she returned and collapsed into his arms. Her chest was bloody, and part of her right arm had been ripped away. "Don't go out there," he said she had told him. "It's not safe."

Beckwith said he did anyway, racing across the parking lot to a nearby house to summon help. At 10:38, the Douglas County Sheriff's Department received a call from the campus. Seconds later, a dispatcher asked for medical aid at Snyder Hall.

"Somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door," the dispatcher said. "There is a female in the computer lab. We do have one female that has been shot."

Patrol cars were racing to campus, asking where Snyder Hall was. "We are looking up location on a map," the dispatcher radioed, some 2 1/2 minutes after the initial call for help.

More than a minute later: "There's approximately 35 people in Snyder Hall right now in the classrooms."

In the adjacent rooms, panic reigned. In the computer lab, Welding said, the woman who had been shot, gasping for air, was dragged inside and given CPR. As others shouted "Close the door!" someone shut off the lights. With gunshots popping from Room 15, the students barricaded themselves in a corner with desks and backpacks.

Across the wall from Levine's classroom, Hannah Miles, 19, was in a writing class when the shots erupted. Students suggested that the instructor open a sliding door connecting the two classes to see what was happening. "I'm not going to open that door," Miles quoted the teacher as saying, but she did knock and ask whether all was well.

The response was a staccato of shots. "Everybody out," someone yelled, and the classroom emptied chaotically into the outdoors, students running to other buildings to hide.

Chris Mintz, a 30-year-old Army veteran who was studying fitness training at Umpqua, saw the gunman. According to family and friends, he blocked a classroom door as Harper-Mercer tried to enter.

The gunman shot him repeatedly through the doorway, then pushed through. Mintz, on the floor, told his attacker that it was his son's sixth birthday, and was shot again. Mintz is expected to recover from his wounds.

Barely six minutes after a dispatcher raised the first alarm, an officer who had arrived on campus radioed a message: "We're exchanging shots with him. He's in a classroom on the southeast side of Snyder Hall."

Two minutes later, another messages crackled over the radio: "Code Four," the officer said, signaling that no more help was needed. "The suspect is down."

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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby NaturalMystik » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:56 pm

It seems a lengthy manifesto has been recovered. Has anyone seen the contents yet?
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby General Patton » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:53 pm

Luther Blissett » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:28 am wrote:
It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.



Agree for the most part. Outside of Baltimore, DC, and a few other black cities there isn't any structure in the US for blacks to systemically select against whites beyond AA.


Researching all these divergent paths is very important: the psychiatry angle, the pharmaceutical angle, the Orion / social engineering / civil destabilization / social control angle, the American psyche angle, and the class and race angle. I'm all for diving down every rabbit hole, but there's no way in hell I'm going to ignore the race one


Definitely. Pandora's identity politics box has been opened for everyone in America, it's all in or go home. History doesn't have a right or wrong side, so more analysis can't hurt.
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:11 pm

General Patton » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:53 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:28 am wrote:
It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.



Agree for the most part. Outside of Baltimore, DC, and a few other black cities there isn't any structure in the US for blacks to systemically select against whites beyond AA.


I'm not sure. I live in a city in which non-whites are the majority of the population, and the specific neighborhood in which I live is majority black (African expats and African Americans). There aren't really any mechanisms here for blacks to oppress us, inequality is bad, the public schools are up against the wall, food security is on the rise, we have the highest percentage of deep poverty out of all large cities, and the highest numbers of children living in deep poverty. Despite all that, the economy here is soaring, violent crime is down, white people are flocking to the city, and general quality of life is way up.

As far as affirmative action goes, though enrollment rates for African American high school in colleges and universities are up, graduation rates are not (for a whole host of reasons related to the structure of higher ed, financial aid, socioeconomic and income inequality, for-profit universities, employment outside of school, poverty etc.). And beyond graduation, wealth divisions are broadening along racial lines, with median wealth for black and Latino families falling in recent years. I'm not sure it has been helping enough; the changes needed are probably much more holistic and systematic. With Ivy League schools talking about moving towards tuition-free learning in the coming decades (with other institutions sure to follow), I'm not sure what this will mean for equality. I'm sure plenty of lip services will be paid to this moving us towards a post-racial society, but the universities are too tied into the status quo. It will require people power to change, not institutional power.
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:15 pm

Oregon Gunman’s Father Dismayed by Lack of Gun Legislation

By JACK HEALY and LAURA M. HOLSON OCT. 3, 2015

ROSEBURG, Ore. — The father of the gunman who killed nine people at a community college here called on the nation to change its gun laws on Saturday, saying the massacre “would not have happened” if his son had not been able to buy so many handguns and rifles.

“How was he able to compile that kind of arsenal?” the father, Ian Mercer, said in an interview with CNN at his home in Tarzana, Calif. He said he had no idea that his son owned more than a dozen firearms.

His comments came as officials here confirmed that the gunman, Christopher Harper-Mercer, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after exchanging fire with police officers who responded to the shooting at Umpqua Community College on Thursday morning.

As grieving families across this hilly corner of southwest Oregon made plans to bury their dead and tended to wounded relatives at area hospitals on Saturday, investigators offered a few new details of the rampage. A new timeline of the response to the shooting showed that officers arrived five minutes after the first 911 calls. Two minutes later, they had engaged Mr. Harper-Mercer. Two minutes after that, they reported, the shooter was down.

How They Got Their Guns

Criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent mass shootings from obtaining their weapons.
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They also said they had found another gun at Mr. Harper-Mercer’s apartment, the 14th they had confiscated. Mr. Harper-Mercer, a student at the community college, was armed with six guns, spare ammunition magazines and body armor when he walked into a writing class and opened fire around 10:30 a.m. Thursday. All of the weapons had been purchased legally by Mr. Harper-Mercer or a relative, law-enforcement officials have said.

Despite Mr. Harper-Mercer’s online interest in high-profile shootings and neighbors’ memories of him as an enthusiastic gun collector who frequently went target shooting with his mother, the gunman’s father told CNN he did not know his son owned guns.

Mr. Harper-Mercer’s parents divorced a decade ago, and he had lived with his mother. The father said he had not seen his son since he and his mother, Laurel Harper, moved to Oregon about two years ago, but said there was no “disharmony or any bitterness” between him and his son.

Adding a raw, personal voice to the debate over gun control in the wake of this latest mass shooting, he said the United States needed to tighten gun laws.

“It has to change,” he said. “How can it not? Even people that believe in the right to bear arms, what right do you have to take someone’s life?” He would not discuss his son’s mental health issues, deferring to the police investigation. “Obviously, someone who goes and kills nine people has to have some kind of issue,” he said.

Standing on his lawn, Mr. Mercer said the shooting had devastated his family. “But we’re not alone in this,” he said. “My heart goes out to all the families that were affected by this.”

His interview came on the same afternoon that relatives of one of the students wounded in his son’s rampage also stepped in front of the microphones, here outside the front doors of Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg.

Bonnie Schaan, the mother of Cheyeanne Fitzgerald, said that her daughter had been shot in the back during the massacre in her classroom. Tears welled up in her eyes as she explained that a bullet had clipped her daughter’s lung and lodged in one of her kidneys, which had to be removed. Cheyeanne, 16, a nursing student, remains in intensive care.

Mr. Harper-Mercer asked the young woman about her religion, according to her aunt, Colleen Fitzgerald, but “she didn’t answer.” Instead, Cheyeanne played dead next to her friend, Anastasia Boylan, a student who was also shot. Ms. Schaan said that her daughter did not know Mr. Harper-Mercer. After hearing the news about the shooting on campus, Ms. Schaan said she texted her daughter and said, “I’m on my way to school.” Instead she went to the hospital.

Cheyeanne has begun to talk with her father about the ordeal, Ms. Schaan said. Now, even a chair being moved unsettles her. Her mother added, “She’s mentioned all the blood.”

Dr. Jason Gray, the chief medical officer at Mercy Medical Center, said only two victims were still in the hospital. One was in critical condition and the other in fair condition. They were expected to be released in two to five days.

The hospital treated seven victims in total, Dr. Gray said. Two were released Thursday, four went into surgery and one died in the emergency department. Three other people were being treated for wounds at PeaceHealth Sacred Heart Medical Center at RiverBend in the town of Springfield.

On Friday, about 300 people showed up at Mercy Medical Center to donate blood, Dr. Gray said. The hospital set up a donation station nearby to handle the crowd.

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Christopher Harper-Mercer


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/us/death-of-gunman-in-oregon-college-shootings-is-ruled-suicide.html
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby 82_28 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:52 pm

That's a fantastic line of guns! I can't wait for my catalog to get here.
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby backtoiam » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:06 pm

My brain went into loops and I couldn't stop the loops.


The human species is heading into a tragedy of big dimensions. I can't remember if these links are where I read what I will describe or not. There are several sites of desperate survivors on the net trying to withdraw from Cymbalta. There was a guy who was hearing that "booiiinnngggg booiiinnngggg boooiiinnggg" sound a loaded spring makes when it unloads. Same sound they used to use in cartoons when I was a kid to denote an action. He was hearing cartoons in his head from his childhood.

Brain Zaps are a bitch. Cymbalta withdrawl is one of the worst I have ever known about. I remain increasingly amazed at this willful destruction.

It makes sense to me- its like being disembodied. I feel like that too sometimes, disoriented and foggy and disembodied. It's like observing yourself doing things from afar almost.

Brain zaps... to me are like little mental seizures/shivers. It's like that *POW* feeling I get if I hit my head too hard, only like twenty of them all at once in a shorter span of time. To me it feels like my brain is spasming.

The two are very different for me, I don't know how it is for everyone else though.

Is it like Depersonalization??? like you are watching a movie??? like your surroundings look weird?

Brain Zaps, are like electrical sensations inside my head.
http://www.cymbaltawithdrawal.com/topic ... rain-zaps/



OMG Im so glad to see this topic. I can't tell you how crazy I have felt on and getting off Cymbalta. My health care provider makes me feel not only like im crazy but some kind of drug seeker! I have been or was on Cymbalta for about 6 years now for pain management along with a lot of narcotics for pain. The pain meds didn't seem to work no matter how much I took. I was getting that (shocking and shaking , earth quakes in my head) feeling along with memory loss, the inability to express my thoughts and a slew of other symptoms, while on Cymbalta. I told my provider and she ignored me, decided I needed to be on less pain meds. I was at a point last month that I really didn't want to live any more. I felt like I was going through the motions of living in terrible pain that was never going to get better or be at the minimum controlled. The pain in my neck, shoulders between my wing bones and especially the very top of my spine into my head were the worse .I have fibromyalgia, planters factious, arthritius and a slew of other pain issues. I have an issue with spasms in my back and this last year no matter what they gave me the spasms not only wouldn't relax but got so much worse. I had the experience last year of not having the money to get my Cymbalta for a day and a half. During that time the symptoms I described got really really bad! I decided last month that my only hope was to stop the medication and see what happened The symptoms got much worse but after a few days my pain meds seemed to work even though I was on half of what I had been on previously. I actually got some relief!! I could feel them taking the pain away and my muscles relaxing. I have now been off Cymbalta for 3 weeks and though im still experiencing the Withdrawal symptoms they have gotten better the shocks are at night mostly and less intense then they had been. I still have really bad days, especially with insomnia. I read that this drug only had a 12 week trial before using us as guinea pigs. Im afraid of what symptoms from this drug are permanent and what will over time go away. This is week 4 off of it and im still experiencing withdrawals so we will see. I would love to hear back from those of you that have gone more then a month off this drug are you still getting shocks? Having trouble sleeping, expressing your thoughts, etc? Thank you for writing all these articles so I can now stop thinking im the crazy one. Im going to print them and show them to my provider. Diana
http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/ ... rawl-hell/


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http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2012/10/ ... ithdrawal/
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby justdrew » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:37 pm

but what the father is saying, where did this guy get the money just to buy all these guns? Can someone come up with a lowest possible cost on all these weapons? ammo and other equipment too. where did this freak work?
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Re: Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:07 pm

Luther wrote,

It bears repeating here that there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is prejudice plus privilege and power. People can be prejudiced against white people, and sure, that happens. Looking at the pyramid of hate, the ability of non-whites to participate in those various levels against whites pretty much taps out at discrimination or violence, whereas we can and do implement every level against others often throughout history. Racism is institutional and exists to assert the supremacy of whites at almost every level of society.


When I hear minorities use the term racist to describe how they feel about whites, I explain why they cannot be racist, at least not in this country, but perhaps in an African nation where whites were the minority and hold no real power, they could be. Here they can be prejudiced against whites and not interact with and truly hate them, which would make them, the minority, a bigot. In the USA they can be bigoted, but not racist.
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