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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:57 am

hanshan wrote:
Holder, the Justice Dept. he sits atop of, & the entire Obama admin. lost any legitimacy they might have obtained by refusing to investigate, hold accountable, & prosecute the war criminals from the preceding admin; to wit: Cheney, Bush, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, John Yoo, Addington, & a whole host of other, less visible players.

Touché

edited once for apparent sense & sensibility



and Obama going with two republicans to Spain to make sure they didn't prosecute the bastards nailed it, thanks Wikileaks
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:09 pm

Assange is being interviewed live on Arabic Al-Jazeera right now.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby nathan28 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:18 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Assange is being interviewed live on Arabic Al-Jazeera right now.


English link--not sure if it's the same story but presumably it is.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/frostovertheworld/2010/12/201012228384924314.html
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:23 pm

Today's WTF Data Point: Meet The CIA's WikiLeaks Task Force
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/22/2010 12:49 -0500

Reality

And people thought the onion's reality is applicable only to the stock market and economy. For today's WTF moment we head to the CIA where we find the latest Frankenstein monster, titled, literally, WTF. Meet the WikiLeaks Task Force. Per The Guardian: "The group will be charged with scouring the released documents to survey damage caused by the disclosures." One can just imagine the DOJ's WTF hearings that will likely involve an extradited Assange responding to WTF charges. And with the line between reality and editorial sarcasm blurred beyond recognition, we expect the imminent announcement of a Fed directive titled Preventing Peasant Tensions (acronymed appropriately) whose sole function will be the creation of an imaginary wealth effect for the peasant population, and an all too real escalation in cocaine habit formations among the country's financial "elite."

More on this latest lunacy from the Guardian:

"Officially, the panel is called the WikiLeaks Task Force. But at CIA headquarters, it's mainly known by its all-too-apt acronym: WTF," the Washington Post reported.

Earlier this month the Guardian revealed that the CIA was responsible for drafting the data "wishlist" that the US state department wanted on UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, and other senior members of the organisation.

Although the CIA has featured in some WikiLeaks disclosures, relatively little of its own information has entered the ether, the paper reported. A recently retired former high-ranking CIA official told the Post this was because the agency "has not capitulated to this business of making everything available to outsiders".

"They don't even make everything available to insiders. And by and large the system has worked.
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While most of the agency's correspondence is understood to be classified at the same "secret" level as the leaked cables that ended up online, it is understood the CIA uses different systems to those of other government agencies.


The only troubling development out of reality itself becoming a farce, is that we are very concerned about the viability of TheOnion.com's business model.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/todays ... task-force

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby nathan28 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:29 pm

F/T of one of the top five emailed and viewed stories for al Jazeera, to make its editorial position clear despite the "pro-Israel" nature of the cable leaks. Also, in Al Jazeera news, Hugh Manatee Wins' favorite radio station (and formerly mine until WBAI started shitting itself regularly) Pacifica picked up an hour of Al Jazeera English, making it the only US outlet to carry Al Jazeera.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/12/2010129102245193184.html

WikiLeaks: Call of Duty
Leaks have made it harder for Western governments to dupe their citizens into accepting potential future wars.
Mark LeVine Last Modified: 09 Dec 2010 15:40 GMT

Ice Cube, just another sad example of how, with too few exceptions, hiphop has gone from being the "CNN of the streets" to the "ho" of the corporations [EPA]

For professional historians the publication of the vast trove of diplomatic cables is a bittersweet affair.

No one outside of the Washington establishment and the myriad foreign leaders shamed by revelations of their penchant for hatred, hubris and pedestrian peccadillos can seriously argue that the release of these classified documents has done anything but good for the cause of peace and political transparency.

Whether about Iraq, Afghanistan, or the minuate of American diplomacy, they have shed crucial light on some of the most important issues of the day and will make it much harder for Western or Middle Eastern governments to lie to their people about so many aspects of the various wars on/of terror in the future.

Indeed, if there's anyone who deserves the next Nobel Peace Prize more than the courageous American soldier, Bradley Manning, who is alleged to have given the documents to Wikileaks in the first place, I'd like to know.

At the very least, given what a mockery President Obama has made of the principles for which the prize is supposed to stand - evidence of which, like pressuring Spain to drop criminal investigations into Bush administration torture, have only come to light thanks to the latest WikiLeaks release - the Nobel Committee should demand his medal back and give it to Manning or whoever the leaker is.

A new approach to diplomacy-honesty and transparency

Already, thanks to WikiLeaks, citizens in the West and Middle East know more than they were ever supposed to about how corrupt, misguided, incompetent and mendacious, are their leaders and the policies pursued in their name.

As each new revelation comes to light, I can't help thinking, why was this secret in the first place? Wouldn't it be better if American and other diplomats shared their concerns openly rather than hiding them from the public?

How about everyone telling the truth for once and letting the people decide? Aren't Italians better off knowing that the American Ambassador thinks Berlusconi is too old to party like a rock star and too corrupt to be trusted with his country's leadership? Shouldn't Americans know that the Saudis continue to funnel huge sums of money to militants and that Pakistanis are refusing to hand over nuclear fuel they long ago promised to give up?

Wouldn't Mexicans be better off knowing just what the US thinks of their anti-drug efforts, and Americans better off knowing just how badly the drug war is proceeding? And certainly the news that Saudi Arabia, at least, supports attacking Iran has already led Iran to tone down its rhetoric and seek to reassure its neighbors of its peaceable intentions.

As far as I can see, the best development that could come out of Wikigate would be that diplomats around the world begin tweeting their previously secret observations on a daily basis, so that everyone knows where everyone else stands and governments can no longer hide behind diplomatic courtesy to continue with the all-too-often reprehensible "business as usual". The world has never needed honesty more than it does today.

Looking for shelter in an increasingly dangerous world

If there's anyone who doesn't think the world - and particularly the United States - desperately needs WikiLeaks, I offer you "Exhibit A" of why this is the case: the star-studded official trailer for the "Call of Duty: Black Ops" first person shooter video game. Regular readers of this column might recall my November 16 article, "Nowhere Left to Run," where I discussed the cultural implications of "Black Ops" after spotting a poster for the game in a Berlin subway around the time of its release.

Since then I have seen the trailer, whose slogan is "There's a soldier in all of us" and features both ordinary people - a secretary, fry cook, hotel concierge, and the like - along with celebrities like Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, and late night American talk show host Jimmy Kimmel.

After watching the trailer I was so exasperated I emailed a colleague at the Center for Middle Eastern Studies here at Lund and asked him, "Where is Ice Cube when you need him?" His reply stunned me: "LoL you don't know where Ice Cube is? He's doing the voice of Bowman in 'Black Ops'..."

In case you're not a hiphop fan, once upon a time Ice Cube was the terror of law abiding white citizens across America as a member of the highly political gangsta rap group NWA. In fact, their song "F*** Da Police" almost got them into as much trouble with the US government as is Julian Assange today.

But those days are long forgotten. Today Mr. Cube spends his time, when not playing secret service agents in movies, providing the voice for one of the lead characters in "Black Ops."

But it's not just hiphop that's prostituted itself to violence and big corporations. The rock n' roll establishment has equally shamed itself, as none other than the Rolling Stones allowed their song "Gimme Shelter," one of the most important anti-war songs of the Vietnam era, to be used as the soundtrack for the trailer, which shows Kobe Bryant smiling widely as he and innumerable other "ordinary" people blast away an unseen enemy in a clearly Middle Eastern landscape (not surprisingly, digital sales of the song and other Stones hits spiked in the wake of the trailer's release).

A chilling view of american culture and values

The "Black Ops" trailer makes for chilling viewing, as it tells viewers - successfully, apparently, given the record - breaking sales of the game - that they can derive great pleasure from taking a break from life to pretend to kills people half way around the world.

Perhaps most troubling, the colours and landscape of the trailer are eerily reminiscent of the infamous killing of a dozen Iraqis by a US helicopter crew, some of whom are laughing as they fire missiles at their targets. Not surprisingly, the only reason we know of this event is because WikiLeaks put the classified video, dubbed "collateral murder," into the public domain last April, in one of the releases that first made the organisation (in)famous.

Apparently Bryant, Kimmel, Cube, the Stones and the designers of "Black Ops" are all either ignorant of, or more likely unmoved, by the reality that ordinary Americans - fry cooks, secretaries, concierges and other working class people - have been forced to answer the "call of duty" for extended tours in Iraq and now Afghanistan during the last decade, where many have been forced into precisely the life and death situations of extreme violence that Bryant and his famous friends were no doubt paid handsomely to pretend so thoroughly to enjoy.

This is the mindset, at all levels of American society, against which the truths revealed by the hundreds of thousands of WikiLeak documents must stand. And the potential for changing peoples' minds is clearly disturbing enough to the US government that it has begun, when not calling for Assange's arrest and worse to warn students at elite institutions like Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs that they risk never being hired by the State Department if they even mention the WikiLeaks documents on any social media sites in which they participate.

Like the corrupt law firm that hired innocent newbie attorney Tom Cruise in the movie "The Firm," the last thing the Government wants is for prospective employees to understand what it's really up to until they're sucked in too deep to change it.

Truths that must Be learned-the sooner the better

Chances are, if your government is telling you not to read something, you should be reading it twice as closely.

The detailing of all the problems the Bush and Obama administrations have had in executing policies in the Muslim world have done an invaluable service to any citizen who wants to understand whether the government's claims as well as aims in the war on terror are both reasonable and feasible on the ground (sadly, it seems more often than not, the answer is they are not).

Certainly, I will urge my own students to read the various WikiLeak documents and compare them with documents we have from wars past, to gain greater insight into the continuities and changes in war-making, diplomacy, and the motivations behind both over the course of modern history.

But if the release of over countless classified documents has given the world a "banquet of secrets" to feast upon (as Timothy Garton Ash put it in The Guardian), historians might be tempted to wonder what scraps we will be left to scrounge over when it comes time to write histories of the events covered by the various WikiLeaks documents with the nuance and perspective that only comes from a certain amount of historical distance from the events in question.

And it's not merely professional jealousy by people used to having largely exclusive access to the historical record-- after all, who but historians is willing to sit in dusty archives for years searching through hundreds of thousands of documents for a few gems that can advance the state of knowledge on a topic? With easily searchable data bases, now - Heaven forbid! - anyone can be an historian, rendering judgment on events and motivations that members of the previously closed historians' guild normally have to wait decades to get access to.

Or can they?

Despite the huge volume of cables and documents released by WikiLeaks, they only offer a very partial account of the realities they discussed. The often unguarded and even eloquent language of the writers of the dispatches does not change the fact that they were written by US government employees (whether soldiers or diplomats) for their superiors, addressing issues from an American perspective and a set of interests that can't be assumed to match those of the myriad other actors in the dramas these documents reflect.

History's lesson: multiple perspectives provide the best view

No matter how much we think we can learn about the realities of the Afpak, Iraqi or larger Middle Eastern conflicts from WikiLeaks, the limited perspective of the documents WikiLeaks has been able to obtain reveals that there is still an incredible amount to learn before we come close to having the full picture of the history-making events of the last decade.

And unless there are British, French, Iraqi, Afghan and other soldiers with a similar access to classified documents and a reckless disregard for their own future, it is likely that the full accounting of the "Wikiwars" will likely wait until the historians of tomorrow are finally allowed to peruse the far larger volume of documents that governments will work even harder than before to keep out of the public domain.

Mark LeVine is a professor of history at UC Irvine and senior visiting researcher at the Centre for Middle Eastern Studies at Lund University in Sweden. His most recent books are Heavy Metal Islam (Random House) and Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine Since 1989 (Zed Books).

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:24 pm

nathan28 wrote:
AlicetheKurious wrote:Assange is being interviewed live on Arabic Al-Jazeera right now.


English link--not sure if it's the same story but presumably it is.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/frostovertheworld/2010/12/201012228384924314.html


Well, no. I just finished watching Assange interviewed by Ahmed Mansour in Norfolk for the weekly show "Without Borders" in Arabic. I'm still loading the David Frost interview, but from the text the Arabic interview had a totally different focus. (I never watch English al-Jazeera -- I find it indistinguishable from CNN and the BBC, which I also don't watch).

Mansour didn't ask Assange any questions at all about his legal situation, and Sweden wasn't mentioned once. From the very beginning Mansour was only interested in the content of the leaks, especially as they pertain to Israel and Arab countries. He asked Assange why, out of the thousands of documents already released, only twenty-two are specific to Israel. He also asked Assange point-blank about the rumors that he'd made a deal with the Israelis not to publish anything embarrassing about them. Assange categorically denied that there was any deal and said that they'd only released 1% of all their documents about Israel. He said that newspapers like the New York Times may have withheld cables that don't show Israel in a positive light "because they're in New York and may not have wanted to offend their Jewish readers," (not verbatim but that's the gist), and promised that there would be a lot more cables relating to Israel in the future.

Assange was asked whether there would be any cables about Israel's attack on Lebanon in 2006, especially as they pertain to Lebanese government officials. Similarly, he was asked about whether he had any information relating to Lebanon or Syria's telecommunications industries.

Mansour asked about the Libyan cables that focus on Qadhafi's relationship with his nurse and asked if that was really the most important information they had about Libya? Assange admitted that it was "gossip", but reminded Mansour that the cables were written by US diplomats and reflect their preoccupations.

The interview was an hour long and it consisted of questions beginning with, "do the cables say anything about...?" and Assange thoughtfully answering, "Yes, ..." But I learned very little that was new, other than Assange's promise to release tons of more cables about banks and military matters and some more complex information than they'd published before, and that they were negotiating with a Brazilian newspaper to publish the leaks.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:35 pm

nathan28 wrote:F/T of one of the top five emailed and viewed stories for al Jazeera, to make its editorial position clear despite the "pro-Israel" nature of the cable leaks.


On last week's episode of "The Opposite Direction" one of Arabic al-Jazeera's most watched shows, which pits two advocates for diametrically opposed viewpoints and simultaneously conducts a poll, the topic was: "Wikileaks: Scandal or Conspiracy?" Meaning, is Wikileaks for real or a zionist psyop? The debate followed most of the arguments that have been covered in this thread. According to the poll, nearly 10,000 respondents were almost equally divided, with around 54% voting that it's for real and 46% saying it's a zionist psyop.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

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Evil US Deeds Exposed by WikiLeaks
Wikileaks has unveiled many cover-ups of injustices in US relations with Honduras, Spain, Thailand, UK and Yemen.
December 19, 2010 |


Human rights advocates have significant new sources of information to hold the United States accountable. The transparency, which Wikileaks has brought about, unveils many cover-ups of injustices in US relations with Honduras, Spain, Thailand, UK and Yemen over issues of torture at Guantanamo, civilian casualties from drones, and the war in Iraq.

US Government is Two Faced over Wikileaks

The US government has twisted itself into knots over Wikileaks. It routinely disregards the privacy of citizens while at the same time trying to avoid transparency for itself.

The US claims broad authority to secretly snoop on the lives of individuals inside and outside of the US. It also works tirelessly to prevent citizens from knowing what is going on by expansively naming basic government information “state secrets.” The government says it has to have the right to keep things secret in order to prevent crime.

But when it comes to revealing evidence of illegal acts by the US government it seeks the most severe sanctions against any transparency.

The most glaring example of the twisted logic is on display within the US Department of Justice. DOJ is searching for creative ways to criminally sanction Wikileaks for publishing US secrets. But the same Department of Justice solemnly decided it should not prosecute the government officials who brazenly destroyed dozens of tapes of water-boarding and torture by US officials. So, DOJ, destruction of evidence of crimes is OK and revealing the evidence of crimes is bad?

Holiday Sampler from Wikileaks

Here is a Holiday Sampler of what Wikileaks has published revealing the US role in cover-ups, drones, and coups.

Cover-ups

Spain

The US worked with high-ranking officials in Spain to try to derail legal accountability for torture by US officials.

Spain has opened two judicial inquiries into torture allegations against US officials at Guantanamo.

A series of cables details secret meetings and communications between officials of the two countries. An April 1, 2009 cable (Reference ID 09MADRID347) describes a meeting between the main Spanish prosecutor and US officials. The prosecutor promises to proceed slowly and to try to make sure the case is not assigned to the most pro-human rights judge in Spain, Judge Garzon. An April 19, 2009 cable (Reference 09MADRID392) tells of numerous meetings between US officials and Spanish officials, including the Attorney General of Spain, who promises not to support the case. A cable dated May 5, 2009 (Reference ID 09MADRID440) describes further meetings between US officials and the prosecutor who promises to “embarrass” the Judge into dropping the case.

It is noteworthy that the pro-human rights judge, Baltasar Garzon, was later indicted in April 2010 for probing into Spanish civil war atrocities in a way that Spanish government said was an abuse of power.

UK

The UK promised to protect US interests in the UK review of Iraq war. In a September 22, 2009 cable (Reference ID 09LONDON2198) UK officials “promised that the UK had put measures into place to protect your interest during the inquiry into the causes of the Iraq war. He noted that Iraq no longer seems to be a major issue in the US, but he said it would become a big issue – a feeding frenzy – in the UK when the inquiry takes off.”

Drones and Cover-ups

Amnesty International released pictures of a US manufactured cruise missile that carried cluster bombs used in December 17, 2009 attack on a community in Abyan, Yemen which killed 14 alleged members of Al Qaeda and 41 local residents – including 14 women and 21 children. At the time of the AI report, June 6, 2010, Yemeni officials said that its forces had carried out that attack. AI asked the US to explain its role but the US did not. After Wikileaks disclosures, it is clear that the US carried out the attack and both countries were lying.

A January 4, 2010 cable, (ID Reference 10SANAA4), noted Yemen officials expressed concerns about the killings of civilians in Yemen by US drone attacks. The US has been bombing Yemen with drones and other missiles for over a year, often trying to assassinate US citizen and accused Al Qaeda leader Anwar Awlaki and others. In this cable, US officials said “the only civilians killed were the wife and children an [al Qaeda] operative at the site.” Yemen officials complained that US cruise missiles are “not very accurate” and reportedly welcomed the use of aircraft-deployed precision-guided bombs instead. “We’ll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours,” said the Yemen leader, prompting a Deputy Minister to joke that he had just “lied” by telling the Yemen Parliament that the bombs in Arhab, Abyan, and Shebwa were American-made but deployed by the Yemen military.

Coups and Cover-ups

When is a coup not a coup?

Wikileaks documents show the US knew in advance about the 2006 military coup in Thailand and changed its definition of the 2009 coup in Honduras within a 30 day period.

In a September 19, 2006 cable, (ID Reference 06BANGKOK5811) written just after a military coup deposed the elected government in Thailand while the Premier was at the UN, the US reminded Thai military coup leaders of an earlier conversation that promised US aid would be cutoff if there was a coup. The cable makes it clear that the US knew of the planning for the coup in advance. The cable goes on to observe that “a coup is a coup is a coup…”

In a July 23, 2009 cable (ID Reference 09TEGUCIGALPA645) written after “the June 28 forced removal of President Manuel “Mel” Zelaya” from Honduras, “the Embassy perspective is that there is no doubt that the military, Supreme Court, and national congress conspired on June 28 in what constitutes an illegal and unconstitutional coup against the Executive Branch, while accepting there may be a prima facie case that Zelaya may have committed illegalities and may have even violated the constitution. There is equally no doubt from our perspective that Roberto Micheletti’s assumption of power was illegitimate.”

Yet, a month later, in a August 25, 2009 Special Briefing by US State Department included this exchange with journalist Sergio Davila.

Davila: “If this is a coup – the State Department considers this a coup, what’s the next step? And I mean, there is a legal framework on the U.S. laws dealing with countries that are under coup d'état? I mean, what’s holding you guys to take other measures according – the law?”

The State Department official responded: “I think what you’re referring to, Mr. Davila, is whether or not this is – has been determined to be a military coup. And you’re correct that there are provisions in our law that have to be applied if it is determined that this is a military coup. And frankly, our lawyers are looking at that exact question. And when we get the answer to that, you are right, there will be things that – if it is determined that this was a military coup, there will be things that will kick in.

“As you know, on the ground, there’s a lot of discussion about who did what to whom and what things were constitutional or not, which is why our lawyers are really looking at the event as we understand them in order to come out with the accurate determination.”

The US backpedaling on the coup in Honduras continues to this day.

Wikileaks has revealed evidence of US human rights abuses around the world. Now the question is what are human rights activists going to do with this information?

Full Disclosure: The Center for Constitutional Rights is representing detainees in Guantanamo, is supporting the investigation into US human rights abuses conducted by Spain, is looking into the coup in Honduras, is challenging the use of drones in Yemen to target and kill US citizen Anwar Awlaki, and has repeatedly condemned the US war in Iraq.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:39 pm

Greenwald's most complete exposure of the hypocrisy yet. NY Times published material today about plans to escalate inside Pakistan. Not only are these plans without a doubt Top Secret, they happen to relate to troop movements! Apparently what makes this breach okay is that it is by "officials" who "decline to be identified by name," much like many of those who also provided the "WMDs" in Iraq! Thus, tantamount to a press release.

Leaks by you or me = bad!

Leaks by unnamed members of the government pushing a war policy = double-plus good!

He also gives it to Rachel Maddow, whose thinking sometimes is shockingly authoritarian (she's among the best examples of those who transformed overnight into loyal statists, once Obama came in).

The NYT spills key military secrets on its front page
By Glenn Greenwald

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(updated below - Update II - Update III)

In The New York Times today, Mark Mazzetti and Dexter Filkins expose very sensitive classified government secrets -- and not just routine secrets, but high-level, imminent planning for American covert military action in a foreign country:


Senior American military commanders in Afghanistan are pushing for an expanded campaign of Special Operations ground raids across the border into Pakistan’s tribal areas, a risky strategy reflecting the growing frustration with Pakistan’s efforts to root out militants there.

The proposal, described by American officials in Washington and Afghanistan, would escalate military activities inside Pakistan, where the movement of American forces has been largely prohibited because of fears of provoking a backlash.

The plan has not yet been approved, but military and political leaders say a renewed sense of urgency has taken hold, as the deadline approaches for the Obama administration to begin withdrawing its forces from Afghanistan.

America’s clandestine war in Pakistan has for the most part been carried out by armed drones operated by the C.I.A. . . . But interviews in recent weeks revealed that on at least one occasion, the Afghans went on the offensive and destroyed a militant weapons cache.

The decision to expand American military activity in Pakistan, which would almost certainly have to be approved by President Obama himself, would amount to the opening of a new front in the nine-year-old war, which has grown increasingly unpopular among Americans. . . . [O]ne senior American officer said, “We’ve never been as close as we are now to getting the go-ahead to go across.”

The officials who described the proposal and the intelligence operations declined to be identified by name discussing classified information.



Often in debates over the legitimacy of publishing classified information, the one example typically cited as the classic case of where publication of secrets is wrong is "imminent troop movements." Even many defenders of leaks will concede it is wrong for newspapers to divulge such information. That "troop-movement" example serves the same role as the "screaming-fire-in-a-crowded-theater" example does in free speech debates: it's the example everyone is supposed to concede illustrates the limits on the liberty in question. While the ground operations in Pakistan revealed by the NYT today don't quite reach that level -- since there is not yet final presidential authorization for it -- these revelations by the NYT come quite close to that: "an expanded campaign of Special Operations ground raids across the border into Pakistan’s tribal areas."

Indeed, the NYT reporters several times acknowledge that public awareness of these operations could trigger serious harm ("inside Pakistan, [] the movement of American forces has been largely prohibited because of fears of provoking a backlash"). Note, too, that Mazzetti and Filkins did not acquire these government secrets by just passively sitting around and having them delivered out of the blue. To the contrary: they interviewed multiple officials both in Washington and in Afghanistan, offered several of them anonymity to induce them to reveal secrets, and even provoked officials to provide detailed accounts of past secret actions in Pakistan, including CIA-directed attacks by Afghans inside that country. Indeed, Mazzetti told me this morning: "We've been working on this for a little while. . . . It's been slow going. The release of the AfPak review gave a timeliness to the story, but this has been in the works for several weeks."

In my view, the NYT article represents exactly the kind of secret information journalists ought to be revealing; it's a pure expression of why the First Amendment guarantees a free press. There are few things more damaging to basic democratic values than having the government conduct or escalate a secret war beyond public debate or even awareness. By exposing these classified plans, Mazzetti and Filkins did exactly what good journalists ought to do: inform the public about important actions taken or being considered by their government which the government is attempting to conceal.

Moreover, the Obama administration has a history of deceiving the public about secret wars. Recently revealed WikiLeaks cables demonstrated that it was the U.S. -- not Yemen -- which launched a December, 2009 air strike in that country which killed dozens of civilians; that was a covert war action about which the U.S. State Department actively misled the public, and was exposed only by WikiLeaks cables. Worse, it was The Nation's Jeremy Scahill who first reported back in 2009 that the CIA was directing ground operations in Pakistan using both Special Forces and Blackwater operatives: only to be smeared by the Obama State Department which deceitfully dismissed his report as "entirely false," only for recently released WikiLeaks cables to confirm that what Scahill reported was exactly true. These kinds of leaks are the only way for the public to learn about the secret wars the Obama administration is conducting and actively hiding from the public.

The question that emerges from all of this is obvious, but also critical for those who believe Wikileaks and Julian Assange should be prosecuted for the classified information they have published: should the NYT editors and reporters who just spilled America's secrets to the world be criminally prosecuted as well? After all, WikiLeaks has only exposed past conduct, and never -- like the NYT just did -- published imminent covert military plans. Moreover, WikiLeaks has never published "top secret" material, unlike what the NYT has done many times in the past (the NSA program, the SWIFT banking program) and what they quite possibly did here as well. Mazzetti this morning said in response to my question about that: "not sure on the classification, although I think all of the special operations activity is usually given Top Secret designation."

Does Dianne Feinstein believe that Mazzetti, Filkins and their editors should be prosecuted under the Espionage Act? Do Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell believe these two reporters are "high-tech terrorists?" Is Eric Holder going to boast about the aggressive actions his DOJ is taking to criminally investigate the NYT for these disclosures?

After all, which WikiLeaks disclosure has ever helped the Taliban and Al Qaeda as much as announcing that the U.S. intends escalated ground operations in Pakistan? How can the acts of WikiLeaks and the NYT possibly be distinguished? Last week, Rachel Maddow was on David Letterman's show, laughed when Letterman denounced Assange as "creepy," and -- while expressing concerns both that the U.S. Government over-classifies and doesn't safeguard its secrets with sufficient care -- disparaged WikiLeaks this way:


I think he is a hero in his own mind, which makes me pretty suspicious. ... We should not have freelancers from other countries making a decision about what gets declassified by our government. Our government should be better about it, but I don't want random Australians deciding for me. [audience laughs and cheers appreciatively].


Is that really a cogent distinction? It's dangerous or even possibly a serious crime when one of those menacing foreigners (a "random Australian") or "freelancers" exposes U.S. government deceit and corruption, but it's acceptable and legal when true Americans or a large American media corporation (such as NBC News) does it? I'm quite certain there are no such distinctions in the law. Beyond that, non-"freelance" American news organizations haven't exactly covered themselves with glory when making such judgments; ask Judy Miller and Michael Gordon about that, or Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Wen Ho Lee, Steven Hatfill and so many more. What determines whether something is a crime is the actions of the person -- not their nationality or how large of a corporation employs them.

Also, for those of you supportive of the prosecution and oppressive detention of Bradley Manning: should the government do everything possible to discover the identity of the military and government officials who spoke with Mazzetti and Filkins about these plans? The Obama DOJ recently revitalized an abandoned Bush-era subpoena issued to James Risen to force him (ultimately upon pain of imprisonment) to reveal his source for a story he wrote; should the Obama DOJ do the same here to Mazzetti and Filkins? And if they do discover their sources, should those officials be arrested and prosecuted for espionage, and held in 23-hour-per-day solitary confinement for months and months while awaiting their trial?

On some perverse level, I at least respect the intellectual consistency of those like Joe Lieberman, Rep. Pete King, and multiple Bush officials and followers who not only demand that WikiLeaks and Assange be prosecuted, but also that newspapers who do the same thing also be similarly punished. That view is odious and dangerous, but it's the only intellectually coherent position. By contrast, those who are cheering while the Obama DOJ tries to imprison Assange -- without also demanding that Mazzetti and Filkins occupy a cell next to him (and that their high-level sources be found and punished the way Manning is) -- are advocating quite incoherent and unprincipled positions and should ask themselves why that is.

* * * * *

I was on Globo News in Brazil last night discussing the threats to press freedom posed by the Obama administration's attacks on WikiLeaks; the program is in Portuguese, but those who speak Spanish (in addition, obviously, to Portuguese) should be able to understand it. In the last few days, I also did interviews with Michelangelo Signorile and Scott Horton regarding WikiLeaks, Manning and related issues which can be heard at those links.



UPDATE: In Salon today, Michael Lind advances a vapid and ill-supported argument. He argues generally that the U.S. is becoming a "banana republic" because the rule of law is no longer applied to favored factions which commit crimes: so far, so good, as that is the topic of my forthcoming book. But then to show how fair-minded he is, he argues that both the Left and Right are guilty of this, and one of his prime examples of the Left's guilt in this regard is this:

Most of the American left has made a hero of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks. For Assange's admirers, the embarrassment that his publication of stolen government and corporate documents produces for government policymakers, bankers or corporate executives whom they dislike more than compensates for the theft of classified or private information on a grand scale. The idea that the law in its majesty is supposed to protect the bad as well as the good apparently is rejected by those who celebrate information vandalism, as long as its victims are the State Department or big banks.


There's just one little fact missing from Lind's argument: the identification of any laws which WikiLeaks and Assange supposedly broke. The claim on the Left -- at least that I've heard -- is not that Assange broke the law but shouldn't be convicted because he is achieving good things. The claim is that what he did isn't against the law at all, and that there's no way to distinguish what he did from what investigative journalists do on a daily basis. If Lind wants to disparage the Left as renouncing the rule of law by defending WikiLeaks despite the "crimes" it's committing, he ought to at least pretend to identify what these crimes are ("information vandalism" is not a crime, nor is publishing classified information). He doesn't, and can't, identify any because there are none. Ironically, Lind is guilty of exactly that which he is condemning: namely, deciding what is and is not a crime based on his likes and dislikes ("information vandalism!") rather than what the law actually says.


UPDATE II: Why aren't Visa, MasterCard, Paypal, their web hosting company and various banks terminating their relationships with The New York Times, the way they all did with WikiLeaks: not only for the NYT's publication of many of the same diplomatic and war cables published by WikiLeaks, but also for this much more serious leak today in which WikiLeaks was completely uninvolved? (h/t Lobe Log)


UPDATE III: A top aide to German Prime Minister Angela Merkel today explained that Germany does not view WikiLeaks as a threat at all. Indeed, the official, Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, said that while WikiLeaks was "irritating and annoying," the true threat comes from having governments be able to pressure private corporations (such as MasterCard, Amazon, Paypal) to terminate relationships with entities the government dislikes ("he said he was opposed to financial entities cutting off payments to WikiLeaks under pressure from Washington. 'If this occurs under pressure from the U.S. government, I don't think it is acceptable'."). The statements from the German government follow the praise for WikiLeaks and Assange previously voiced by several world leaders, including Brazilian President Lula da Silva. That's how mature, non-hysterical, non-exploitative political leaders respond to a disclosure group like WikiLeaks.
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Jim Sciutto, ABC News: Tabloid Schmuck!

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:17 pm

BoA invents new variation on rearranging deck chairs on Titanic:

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22 December, 2010 - 10:24
The WikiLeaks strategy: Bank of America buys up abusive domain names

Bank of America has snapped up hundreds of abusive domain names for its senior executives and board members in what is being perceived as a defensive strategy against the future publication of damaging insider info from whistleblowing Website WikiLeaks.

According to Domain Name Wire, the US bank has been aggressively registering domain names including its board of Directors' and senior executives' names followed by "sucks" and "blows".

For example, the company registered a number of domains for CEO Brian Moynihan: BrianMoynihanBlows.com, BrianMoynihanSucks.com, BrianTMoynihanBlows.com, and BrianTMoynihanSucks.com.

The wire report counted hundreds of such domain name registrations on 17 December alone. They were acquired through an intermediary that frequently registers domain names on behalf of large companies, says the report.

Bank of America has reputedly established a 'war room' to draw up strategy and rebutt allegations likely to emerge from the publication of thousands of internal documents by WikiLeaks.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange this week told a reporter with The Times that he had enough data on a major US bank to force the resignation of its senior leadership. While Assange has yet to reveal the true identity of the bank in question, it is widely accepted that the 5 gigabit drive in WikiLeaks' possession relates to internal documents and e-mails from Bank of America.

Late last week, the bank got its retaliation in early by joining Visa, MasterCard and PayPal in cutting off WikiLeaks payments processing, leading the whistleblowing site to instruct account holders to "place your funds somewhere safer", in a veiled hint about the likely impact of its forthcoming disclosures.


Is this Moynihan himself ordering, "Register BrianMoynihanSucks.com!" And his underlings roll their eyes and try not to laugh, and do as told?

Or is this some PR consultancy doing it as sport to justify their existence, seeing as there is not much they can (legally) do about Wikileaks. So they spend a few hours typing variations on "Brian-T-Moynihan-Asshole.net" until it gets unbearable, and then charge BoA the cost of the domains plus $40,000 for the day?

I can't think of anything more pointless. Thanks to inventions like punctuation marks, numbers, and whole sentences, they could spend all of BoA's cash reserves just on this project and still not fail to cover all possibilities for communicating the concept of "FuckBrianMoynihan.us" or "BrianMoynihanEatShitAndDie!.info". It's also useless for SEO, since they can't actually put anything on these sites without promoting the meme they wish to suppress.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:47 pm


http://www.fair.org
Media Advisory

What We Learn From WikiLeaks
Media paint flattering picture of U.S. diplomacy


12/16/10

In U.S. elite media, the main revelation of the WikiLeaks diplomatic cables is that the U.S. government conducts its foreign policy in a largely admirable fashion.

Fareed Zakaria, Time (12/2/10):

The WikiLeaks documents, by contrast [to the Pentagon Papers], show Washington pursuing privately pretty much the policies it has articulated publicly. Whether on Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or North Korea, the cables confirm what we know to be U.S. foreign policy. And often this foreign policy is concerned with broader regional security, not narrow American interests. Ambassadors are not caught pushing other countries in order to make deals secretly to strengthen the U.S., but rather to solve festering problems.


David Sanger, New York Times (12/5/10):

While WikiLeaks made the trove available with the intention of exposing United States duplicity, what struck many readers was that American diplomacy looked rather impressive. The day-by-day record showed diplomats trying their hardest behind closed doors to defuse some of the world's thorniest conflicts, but also assembling a Plan B.


David Brooks, New York Times (11/30/10):

Despite the imaginings of people like Assange, the conversation revealed in the cables is not devious and nefarious. The private conversation is similar to the public conversation, except maybe more admirable.


New York Times editorial (11/30/10):

But what struck us, and reassured us, about the latest trove of classified documents released by WikiLeaks was the absence of any real skullduggery. After years of revelations about the Bush administration's abuses--including the use of torture and kidnappings--much of the Obama administration's diplomatic wheeling and dealing is appropriate and, at times, downright skillful.

Christopher Dickey and Andrew Bast, Newsweek (12/13/10):

One of the great ironies of the latest WikiLeaks dump, in fact, is that the industrial quantities of pilfered State Department documents actually show American diplomats doing their jobs the way diplomats should, and doing them very well indeed. When the cables detail corruption at the top of the Afghan government, the Saudi king's desire to be rid of the Iranian threat, the personality quirks of European leaders or the state of the Russian mafiacracy, the reporting is very much in line with what the press has already told the public. There's no big disconnect about the facts; no evidence--in the recent cables at least--that the United States government is trying to deceive the public or itself.


Bob Garfield, NPR's On the Media (12/3/10):

The stories so far have been revealing but unsurprising, it seems to me, and not especially indicting. It’s made me wonder whether WikiLeaks is a legitimate whistleblower in this case or just a looter. Has Julian Assange shed light here with the release of 253,000 cables or has he just smashed a very big store window?

Anne Applebaum, Washington Post (12/7/10):

By now, I think we have learned that Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has vast ambitions. Among them is the end of American government as we know it. On his website he describes the leaked U.S. diplomatic cables in dramatic and sinister terms, evoking the lost ideals of George Washington and claiming that they demonstrate a profound gap between the United States' "public persona and what it says behind closed doors." Alas, the cables don't live up to that promise. On the contrary--as others have noted--they show that U.S. diplomats pursue pretty much the same goals in private as they do in public, albeit using more caustic language.

These conclusions represent an extraordinarily narrow reading of the WikiLeaks cables, of which about 1,000 have been released (contrary to constant media claims that the website has already released 250,000 cables). Some of the more explosive revelations, unflattering to U.S. policymakers, have received less attention in U.S. corporate media. Among the revelations that, by any sensible reading, show U.S. diplomatic efforts of considerable concern:

--The U.S. attempted to prevent German authorities from acting on arrest warrants against 13 CIA officers who were instrumental in the abduction and subsequent torture of German citizen Khaled El-Masri (Scott Horton, Harpers.org, 11/29/10; New York Times, 12/9/10).

--The U.S. worked to obstruct Spanish government investigations into the killing of a Spanish journalist in Iraq by U.S. forces, the use of Spanish airfields for the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program and torture of Spanish detainees at Guantánamo (El Pais, 12/2/10; Scott Horton, Harpers.org, 12/1/10).

--WikiLeaks coverage has often emphasized that Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh reassured U.S. officials that he would claim U.S. military airstrikes in his country were the work of Yemeni forces. But as Justin Elliot pointed out (Salon, 12/7/10), the United States has long denied carrying out airstrikes in the country at all. The secret attacks have killed scores of civilians.

--According to the cables, U.S. Special Forces are actively conducting operations inside Pakistan, despite repeated government denials (Jeremy Scahill, Nation, 12/1/10).

--The U.S. ambassador to Honduras concluded that the 2009 removal of president Manuel Zelaya was indeed a coup, and that backers of this action provided no compelling evidence to support their legal claims (Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy, 11/29/10). Despite the conclusions reached in the cable, official U.S. statements remained ambiguous. If the Obama administration had reached the same conclusion in public as was made in the cable, the outcome of the coup might have been very different.

--The U.S. secured a secret agreement with Britain to allow U.S. bases on British soil to stockpile cluster bombs, circumventing a treaty signed by Britain. The U.S. also discouraged other countries from working to ban the weapons, which have devastating effects on civilian populations (Guardian, 12/1/10).

--The U.S. engaged in an array of tactics to undermine opposition to U.S. climate change policies, including bribes and surveillance (Guardian, 12/3/10).

--U.S. diplomats in Georgia were uncritical of that country's claims about Russian interference, a dispute that eventually led to a brief war (New York Times, 12/2/10). U.S. officials "appeared to set aside skepticism and embrace Georgian versions of important and disputed events....as the region slipped toward war, sources outside the Georgian government were played down or not included in important cables. Official Georgian versions of events were passed to Washington largely unchallenged."

--U.S. officials put forward sketchy intelligence as proof that Iran had secured 19 long-range missiles from North Korea--claims that were treated as fact by the New York Times, which subsequently walked back its credulous reporting (FAIR Activism Update, 12/3/10)


All of these examples--an incomplete tally of the important revelations in the cables thus far--would suggest that there is plenty in the WikiLeaks releases that does not reflect particularly well on U.S. policymakers.

In its "Note to Readers" explaining their decision to publish stories about the cables, the New York Times (11/29/10) told readers that "the documents serve an important public interest, illuminating the goals, successes, compromises and frustrations of American diplomacy."

The paper went on:

But the more important reason to publish these articles is that the cables tell the unvarnished story of how the government makes its biggest decisions, the decisions that cost the country most heavily in lives and money. They shed light on the motivations--and, in some cases, duplicity--of allies on the receiving end of American courtship and foreign aid. They illuminate the diplomacy surrounding two current wars and several countries, like Pakistan and Yemen, where American military involvement is growing.


The "duplicity" of other countries can be illuminated by the cables, while the U.S.'s secret wars are evidence of "diplomacy." That principle would seem to be guiding the way many U.S. outlets are interpreting the WikiLeaks revelations.


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4215



And this list missed a whole bunch of the big ones, like the Yemeni-US construction of a mini-Gulf of Tonkin incident, the order to steal Ban-Ki Moon's credit card numbers, corporations like Pfizer and Shell routinely reporting their crimes in Nigeria to the State Department without fear of repercussion or loss of support, Arbib's service as an informant during the toppling of the Rudd government in Australia, pressure on Sweden and Spain among others to follow US corporate copyright policy, and and what am I forgettin'? Oh yeah, Lebanese defense minister Murr negotiating with Israel about which targets in his country he'd like to see BOMBED.

Plus the fanatic obsession with the real Axis of Evil: Iran, Hugo, and Michael Moore.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:11 pm

WTF? CIA sets up 'WikiLeaks Task Force'
By David Usborne, US Editor
Thursday, 23 December 2010
Some secret codes at the Central Intelligence Agency are tougher to crack than others. At the behest of its director, the American spy agency has just created a panel to assess what damage may have been done by the cascade of diplomatic cables disseminated by the WikiLeaks organisation. It will operate under the acronym WTF.

Given the deep disdain in which WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange are held by the US government you may surmise what one translation of these three letters might be. But the work at hand is serious and the letters actually stand for the WikiLeaks Task Force.

While the CIA itself has been mostly unscathed by the leaks, there is mounting concern about the harm done to American credibility at all levels of foreign diplomacy.

"The director asked the task force to examine whether the latest release of WikiLeaks documents might affect the agency's foreign relationships or operations," CIA spokesman George Little said. One worry is the CIA might find it more difficult to recruit informants while there is the impression that the US cannot protect its own secrets.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Simulist » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:03 pm

I propose that the actual name of the "CIA" be changed to "WTF" or "What The Fuck."

First of all, with the new Office of the Director of National intelligence," the "Central Intelligence Agency" really isn't so "central" anymore. Second, its product, "intelligence," has often been dubious at best. And third, as the tail that has frequently wagged the dog, it can no longer credibly be considered an actual "agency" of the federal government. (Maybe a little more like the other way 'round.)

So with all that in mind, "WTF" really seems like the perfect designation for such a group. But can you imagine how it might be telling someone that you worked for such an organization?

"I work for WTF."

"What the fuck?! Now who did you say you worked for?"

"What The Fuck."

"I know, man! — that's what I'm saying. But what the fuck is the company's name?"

"Exactly."


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