OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

[JackRiddler]

janewas: thanks. link please!

[vanlose kid]

janewas: thanks. link please!

original source link: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mai ... n-compound

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[Janewas]

Heres the link:
http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmen ... n-compound

cheers

[82_28]

There are indications emerging that the terror mastermind was sheltered by one of the militant groups that has enjoyed tolerance, if not support, from Pakistani military intelligence services, Globe and Mail reported.

Hey, kinda like the USA's very own Blackwater(Xe)!

One must wonder (obviously) how deep the little corporate mercenary hole goes.

[JackRiddler]

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Okay, a publication of the John Birch Society, The New American, quotes a passage from an Indian newspaper that cites a Canadian newspaper report that quotes a "police officer" in Abbottabad who says the OBL house belonged to Hizbul Mujahedeen, but the authorities won't let him share information about the exact ownership. That's more links in the attribution chain than I can bear, so let's at least start with the first published version of the claim, which seems to be the Canadian article, in the Globe and Mail. Turns out more than half of the India Today article is plagiarized directly from that.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world ... ice=mobile

Bin Laden given haven by militants linked to Pakistani security forces

GRAEME SMITH AND MUZAMMIL PASHA

ISLAMABAD

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Last updated Wednesday, May. 04, 2011 12:51PM EDT


Pakistani police, media personel and local residents gather outside a burnt compound at the hideout of slain al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad on May 3, 2011. (Aamir Quershi/AFP/Getty Images)


As suspicions grow about how Osama bin Laden spent years living next door to Pakistan’s military, there are indications emerging that the terrorist mastermind was sheltered by one of the militant groups that has enjoyed tolerance, if not support, from Pakistani security services.

A police officer familiar with Mr. bin Laden’s compound in the scenic town of Abbottabad said the location was used by Hizbul Mujahedeen, one of the biggest militant outfits in the disputed territory of Kashmir. Like other groups fighting Indian troops in the borderlands, HM’s radical membership has never been rounded up by Pakistani forces and some analysts say Islamabad covertly supports the group.

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Any link to HM would deepen Pakistan’s embarrassment over Mr. bin Laden’s death. Pakistan has denied any collusion with terrorists, saying that its leading intelligence service had been sharing information with U.S. counterparts since 2009 about the compound where Mr. bin Laden was found.

Still, in the wake of the raid, Islamabad scrambled to ensure that precise ownership of the compound would not become public knowledge.

“The place belonged to Hizbul Mujahedeen,” the police officer said. “But the authorities have asked us not to share any information about the exact ownership.”

Land-registry officials in Abbottabad, known in the local language as patwaris, were summoned to a meeting on Tuesday and urged to keep quiet.

“The patwaris are meeting right now,” a local official said. “They are being instructed not to say anything about the land-ownership issue.”

American officials have described the owners as “brothers,” and neighbours recalled seeing a pair of men, possibly ethnic Pashtuns from the rugged western frontier, who largely kept to themselves.

Their names were reported in local media as Bara Khan and Chota Khan, or Arshad Pathan and Chota Pathan. However, “Bara” and “Chota” are common vernacular for “older,” and “younger,” making the names almost meaningless.

A Pakistani official said the mystery surrounding the two men has deepened with the discovery that their national identity cards were faked.

Demands grew louder on Tuesday for an investigation that would determine what support Mr. bin Laden received inside Pakistan.

“If I were a prosecutor at the United States Department of Justice … I would be tempted to call a grand jury,” wrote Steve Coll, a Pulitzer-winning biographer of Mr. bin Laden. “Who owned the land on which the house was constructed?”

If the ownership were traced to HM, it would mark an unusual example of co-operation between the militant group and its more extreme cousin, al-Qaeda. HM has maintained a narrow focus on removing Indian forces from Kashmir, while Al-Qaeda pursues global ambitions.

“This is the first time I’ve heard of links between Hizbul Mujahedeen and Osama, but its members would probably admire him,” said Kamran Bokhari of Stratfor international analysts.

Pakistan’s Foreign Office issued its first detailed statement about the raid on Tuesday afternoon, making oblique reference to the suspicions raised by the fact that Mr. bin Laden apparently lived near a prominent military school, in a garrison town dominated by security forces.

“There has been a lot of discussion about the nature of the targeted compound, particularly its high walls and its vicinity to the areas housing Pakistan Army elements,” the government said. “It needs to be appreciated that many houses occupied by the affectees of operations in [tribal areas] have high boundary walls, in line with their culture of privacy and security.”

The idea that Mr. bin Laden’s presence went unnoticed did not sit well with Pakistan’s media, however. Dawn, a leading newspaper, pointed out that the head of the country’s military, General Ashfaq Kayani, had visited the nearby Kakul Military Academy on April 23 and bragged that his forces had broken the “terrorist backbone” in the country.

“Was the general completely unaware that the most wanted man lived but a short distance away?” the newspaper asked, in a sharply worded front-page analysis.

Another major newspaper, The Nation, expressed similar sentiments in an unsigned report on the front page: “The presence of the world’s most wanted terrorist in such a strategically sensitive city is beyond the understanding of a sane man.”

Muzammil Pasha is Special to The Globe and Mail

This is not much to work with, I'd have to think. In fact, the unqualified headline is shamefully unwarranted, it should at least add a "Source Says." It's so easy for an unnamed "police officer" to be wrong or to be conveying misinformation or disinformation, or for that matter for the reporters to be doing so. We're left in a situation not unlike with September 11th itself: you can see the outlines of something that must be there, but the attempts to fill in what's inside are dubious, or take off from the slimmest factual basis.

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[8bitagent]

Pot smoking/porn loving OBL is the official meme now...are they intentionally trying to make him into an anti hero for youth? Maybe one day we'll get not quite ironic shirts with OBL as we did with Mao, Lenin and Che

Schroedinger's Car, WTC3, loving the typos on this page.

Raymond Davis was caught in Abottabad? I didn't follow that story closely.

I haven't found video of Christiane Amanpour telling Bill Maher on his HBO show Real Time, back in Oct 2008, that everybody knows that UBL was living in a villa in Pakistan. But I swear I watched that exchange, back then.

They repeated the clip on one of the recent shows. (btw, "Real Time" is an ironic name, since it's best viewed on fast forward.) She didn't up and specify an address, more reported the rumor as though it was likely true.

On the malapropism front, I'm fine with Schroedinger's anything, including Schroedinger's Car -- has it crashed or not? You don't know! Has Schroedinger's Apple fallen from the tree, is Schroedinger's Book open or closed, is Schroedinger's Cave lit or dark, etc. etc.

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Occam's Boxcutter, God Inslaw... little shout outs to my parapolitical peeps, yo.

Also, hasn't a bunch of mainstream reports come out that said the CIA had a stakeout house monitoring OBL's compound, and that the US had known about the compound for some time? Yet...its the Pakistanis who have some "splainin' to do"

Schrodinger's Car, - no gas gauge, so you never run out of gas.

Or else you're already out of gas.

One of my best friends, he was so overjoyed that he got a used car for a few hundred bucks a few summers ago...that he totally seemed to nary a care as to the fact the gas gauge was completely broken. He thought he had a system, but ultimately every few days we'd end up running out of the gas on the side of the road or the middle of traffic. It reminds me of how some people do all sort of gymnastics rather than try and fix the actual problem.

[kelley]

'occam's boxcutter'

brilliant

keep up the good work fellers

don't know how you do it

[Stephen Morgan]

Pot-loving, womanising (and by implication unlikely to object to porn) Obama might be becoming the official story, but it's been around for years, at least since Kola Boof made similar claims. Even before that he had a rep as a Westernised Arab until his decision to go to Afghanistan, and there were a lot of dubious stories along those lines, like the one about him being a fanatical follower of George Graham's Arsenal team. Had his disagreements with the Taleban, too, as his habit of releasing propaganda films conflicted with their religious abhorrence for cameras, and his love of international terror conflicted with their desire not to get bombed.

So, looks like he wasn't dead all this time after all. Corpse probably wasn't kept on ice until needed. That fake picture was probably some kind of disinfo. He's just been laying back in retirement, living it up in his house with his porn collection and hash habit. A mundane little existence. Not plotting from a hollowed out mountain. I hope he at least got ten years of happiness from his deal with the devil, now the devil's collected.

[8bitagent]

Pot-loving, womanising (and by implication unlikely to object to porn) Obama might be becoming the official story, but it's been around for years, at least since Kola Boof made similar claims. Even before that he had a rep as a Westernised Arab until his decision to go to Afghanistan, and there were a lot of dubious stories along those lines, like the one about him being a fanatical follower of George Graham's Arsenal team. Had his disagreements with the Taleban, too, as his habit of releasing propaganda films conflicted with their religious abhorrence for cameras, and his love of international terror conflicted with their desire not to get bombed.

So, looks like he wasn't dead all this time after all. Corpse probably wasn't kept on ice until needed. That fake picture was probably some kind of disinfo. He's just been laying back in retirement, living it up in his house with his porn collection and hash habit. A mundane little existence. Not plotting from a hollowed out mountain. I hope he at least got ten years of happiness from his deal with the devil, now the devil's collected.

You mean Osama. Don't worry, I've done it enough...hell everyone on tv and in media seems to have the gaffe. Hugh hasn't mentioned it, but I think even at some metaphysical level the Osama/Obama thing is the ultimate keyword hijacking, yet both groomed to play a specific role in this special little time period we're living in.

If for several years commentators and even people on little conspiracy forums were joking that OBL was probably in some cushy safe house far away from the "tribal af-pak" border, then obviously it wasnt such an abstract idea to 'those in the now'. Many of the men and women in law enforcement, intelligence, data gathering and military genuinely have it programmed into them that "al Qaeda" and Islamic terrorism is a real viable and "independent" threat. Yet now even the mainstream pundits are thinking "wait, the ISI funds these guys blowing up soldiers with IEDS, and we fund the ISI?"

The ptb do some incredibly bizarre and mind blowingly crazy stuff...but I myself never believed the "he died in 2001/they kept him in ice" thing. In fact I had heard that rumor for years on forums and elsewhere. It makes more sense they kept him in his docile little compound, spending his days rocking back and forth muttering nonsense to himself. People are right, this thing has long been scripted...just doesnt mean his death was fake.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Pot-loving, womanising (and by implication unlikely to object to porn) Obama might be becoming the official story, but it's been around for years, at least since Kola Boof made similar claims. Even before that he had a rep as a Westernised Arab until his decision to go to Afghanistan, and there were a lot of dubious stories along those lines, like the one about him being a fanatical follower of George Graham's Arsenal team. Had his disagreements with the Taleban, too, as his habit of releasing propaganda films conflicted with their religious abhorrence for cameras, and his love of international terror conflicted with their desire not to get bombed.

So, looks like he wasn't dead all this time after all. Corpse probably wasn't kept on ice until needed. That fake picture was probably some kind of disinfo. He's just been laying back in retirement, living it up in his house with his porn collection and hash habit. A mundane little existence. Not plotting from a hollowed out mountain. I hope he at least got ten years of happiness from his deal with the devil, now the devil's collected.

Man Afghanistan is renowned for its hash and for its kick arse strains of indica weed. Afghan genetics have the been the basis of at least half of the cannabis strains developed over the last 30 to 40 years in the west. It makes as much sense for someone hanging out in the mountains behind and between afpak to develop a taste for it there as it does for someone in the west. maybe more.

[8bitagent]

Pot-loving, womanising (and by implication unlikely to object to porn) Obama might be becoming the official story, but it's been around for years, at least since Kola Boof made similar claims. Even before that he had a rep as a Westernised Arab until his decision to go to Afghanistan, and there were a lot of dubious stories along those lines, like the one about him being a fanatical follower of George Graham's Arsenal team. Had his disagreements with the Taleban, too, as his habit of releasing propaganda films conflicted with their religious abhorrence for cameras, and his love of international terror conflicted with their desire not to get bombed.

So, looks like he wasn't dead all this time after all. Corpse probably wasn't kept on ice until needed. That fake picture was probably some kind of disinfo. He's just been laying back in retirement, living it up in his house with his porn collection and hash habit. A mundane little existence. Not plotting from a hollowed out mountain. I hope he at least got ten years of happiness from his deal with the devil, now the devil's collected.

Man Afghanistan is renowned for its hash and for its kick arse strains of indica weed. Afghan genetics have the been the basis of at least half of the cannabis strains developed over the last 30 to 40 years in the west. It makes as much sense for someone hanging out in the mountains behind and between afpak to develop a taste for it there as it does for someone in the west. maybe more.

Well hey, the original "mujahid" were into it(The Assassins) so why not. I can imagine the genus of emmjay is a lot more diverse than the body count narco stuff filtered through Mexico as well as perhaps even the cultivation in Northern California.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Much of that Cali gear has Afghan genetics in it. Ever hear of a strain called Skunk? - that was 75% Afghan genetics iirc.

http://www.seedsman.com/en/original-skunk-1-seeds

[8bitagent]

Much of that Cali gear has Afghan genetics in it. Ever hear of a strain called Skunk? - that was 75% Afghan genetics iirc.

http://www.seedsman.com/en/original-skunk-1-seeds

A ha...yes. I can't believe I had forgotten about that, as it was covered a bit in a recent documentary on norcal growers I saw recently.
I forget the name, but they really get into all sorts of kush and the Afghan origins of it in the Emerald Triangle.
For some reason, the marijuana at the parties or concerts I go to seems to be the moonshine rat's ass of the pot world(and I'm in California!)

[Joe Hillshoist]

Much of that Cali gear has Afghan genetics in it. Ever hear of a strain called Skunk? - that was 75% Afghan genetics iirc.

http://www.seedsman.com/en/original-skunk-1-seeds

A ha...yes. I can't believe I had forgotten about that, as it was covered a bit in a recent documentary on norcal growers I saw recently.
I forget the name, but they really get into all sorts of kush and the Afghan origins of it in the Emerald Triangle.
For some reason, the marijuana at the parties or concerts I go to seems to be the moonshine rat's ass of the pot world(and I'm in California!)

The term Kush, comes from Hindu Kush, which some claim means Hindu killer. Its the mountain range in Afghanistan where all the action is and has been for the last 9 years. As far as pot goes it used to be that some people called big fat indica crowns Kush in memory of the original strains that came from the Hindu Kush. This was in the 90s tho and terms change faster in pot slang than they do in just about any other, especially breeder slang.

Anyway here's an interesting examination of the origin of the name:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 6051301312

Its the least biased one I could find.

[8bitagent]

To the original topic at hand...

With the "closing of the OBL" chapter, with the media pushing this "al Qaeda has no place or sympathy in the Islamic world, especially in a post Arab spring period" idea,
and with the focus now back to Israel, Syria and Iran...perhaps the PTB are finally putting to pasture their al Qaeda proxy winduptoys. They seemed to have long exhausted their shelf life.
If there's ever future major terrorism in Western/Westernized areas, it's going to be harder and harder to convince people of the concept of independent or home grown extremists...yet all the more urgent to blame future attacks on nation states(or criminal elements within)

Much of that Cali gear has Afghan genetics in it. Ever hear of a strain called Skunk? - that was 75% Afghan genetics iirc.

http://www.seedsman.com/en/original-skunk-1-seeds

A ha...yes. I can't believe I had forgotten about that, as it was covered a bit in a recent documentary on norcal growers I saw recently.
I forget the name, but they really get into all sorts of kush and the Afghan origins of it in the Emerald Triangle.
For some reason, the marijuana at the parties or concerts I go to seems to be the moonshine rat's ass of the pot world(and I'm in California!)

The term Kush, comes from Hindu Kush, which some claim means Hindu killer. Its the mountain range in Afghanistan where all the action is and has been for the last 9 years. As far as pot goes it used to be that some people called big fat indica crowns Kush in memory of the original strains that came from the Hindu Kush. This was in the 90s tho and terms change faster in pot slang than they do in just about any other, especially breeder slang.

Anyway here's an interesting examination of the origin of the name:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 6051301312

Its the least biased one I could find.

Interesting. I remember researching drugs being used in various forms as mystical aids for a number of secret societies centuries back, in what would now be considered Islamic areas. If there is one thing I can detest the Taliban for above all, it's the purging of ancient spirituality from the area. Sadly, now whenever anyone thinks of Afghanistan and drugs it's heroin. On the way to Oakland last night I saw a huge "Kush Hempcon" billboard advertising a big marijuana convention at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Shoot, even in my small conservative suburbia town Im in there's marijuana stores right near Target and Best Buy.