The Wikileaks Question

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby The Hacktivist » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:50 am

JackRiddler wrote:.

The only possible conclusion from Duff's consistently tendentious arguments over time is that he is a witting purveyor of disinformation (or does "line rhetoric," as c2w? put it). Everyone interested in this affair, including the moderators of this site, have a choice of whether to focus on and copy-paste his lies (as peddled here by his local SEO volunteer, AlicetheKurious) or to actually use the opportunity offered by the release of the cables. Or to engage in the 17 trillion other better possibilities offered by life.

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Here is a slightly expanded version of plutonia's list from above:

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Where to research the cables (best as I know)

Of the newspaper sites, in English go with The Guardian. They are a full partner and have been doing constant, massive coverage. (The Times site is a joke and shamelessly spun to minimize releases and maximize pro-war propaganda.)

1. Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-us-embassy-cables

2. Wikileaks new home: http://wikileaks.ch / (go to "cablegate" section)

3. Search-able database of cables that is synched with Wikileaks releases: http://www.dazzlepod.com/cable /

4. Wikileaks the forum: http://www.wikileaksforum.net /

5. Crowdjournalizing the raw cables... very slowly: http://operationleakspin.org /

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#5 is a wiki site for the cables and actually looks like it will develop into the most interesting.

Among other examples, some cables and important stories have received first treatment in the Arab press (Murr), by the Bolivian government (which is hosting cables about Bolivia), in Counterpunch (where they took apart the NY Times attack-Iran spin), and in the article by Andrew Gavin Marshall on Global Research (on the UK royal family).

Currently trying a compilation of cable stories here - ran into flame war...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... g_id=57930

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hacktivist, I appreciate being quoted, and thanks for the kind words. But when you quote me (or anyone), and if you're not going to comment on it piece by piece, do you mind just using a bit to show the reference, rather than repeating the whole thing? To keep the pages shorter, if you don't mind... (Also, I have a bad editing jones.)

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Mr Duff is no idiot so I think it is safe to say that you are right. He is indeed spreading disinformation on purpose, to what end I do not know but needless to say Mr Duff and his website have gotten *some people's* attention this evening and its time to take a closer look behind the scenes and find out who Mr Duff really is. **

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:53 am

JackRiddler wrote:.

As of 24 December 2010, http://wikileaks.ch/cablegate.html the running tally of all leaked cables so far published reads:

"Currently released so far... 1897 / 251,287" = 0.7 percent

That's all files. Not only Israel. (Puzzler for mathematicians: Which is greater? 2 percent or 0.7 percent?)

All files are being published at the same slow rate.


And yet. And yet, in those 0.7 percent we find a high concentration of every warmongering allegation against every country on Israel's hit-list: "North Korea supplies nuclear-capable missiles to Iran"; "Iran used Red Crescent ambulances to transport weapons to Hizbullah"; "Turkey covertly supports al-Qaeda in Iraq"; "Arabs fear Iran more than they do Israel and want the US to attack Iran"; etc., etc., etc.

In the 2% of the cables about Israel, do we have anything that contradicts what is regularly generated by the zionist-dominated mainstream media? I mean, Nathan28's constant waving of the "news" that Israel has a mafia "problem" is pathetic, it doesn't even go as far as many reports from the mainstream media, including the New York Times or even this broadcast from FOX News, for creep's sake. (In fact, if the Wikileaks had even provided as much important info as the FOX News report, I wouldn't have a case. But they're not even close).
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby barracuda » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:15 pm

In this cable release, we find a rather startling discovery of what can only be called violations of international law by the US government and the Mossad. Let me synopsise the rellevant facts here. In 2005, the Comprehensive Peace Agreement was brokered between North and South Sudan to alleviate one of the most deadly and incessant civil wars in world histroy, in which some 2 million people had died over the course of more than twenty years of fighting.

The United States was a signatory to the proceedings, and was acting by treaty as the main guarantor of the peace agreement. Meaning that they have a legal obligation to enforce the terms of the agreement in the interest of peace.

Through the reporting done by the Sunday Herald, it was discovered that the US had been encouraging and secretly approving the shipment of RUSSIAN TANKS to South Sudan via a Ukrainian source, upon a MOSSAD VESSEL:

WikiLeaks confirms Russian tanks aboard hijacked ship were bound for South Sudan

Sudan: From Fred Bridgeland, Africa Correspondent
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The WikiLeaks whistleblower website has confirmed as true a Sunday Herald investigation that found dozens of Russian-made tanks aboard a ship hijacked by Somali pirates were destined for clandestine delivery to the army of the autonomous Government of South Sudan.

Having taken the Ukrainian ship, the MV Faina, in September 2008, the pirates were shocked to find aboard 33 Russian-made T-72 tanks, 42 anti-aircraft guns and more than 800 tonnes of ammunition.

The Kenyan government quickly condemned the hijacking of the Faina, saying that its destination was the port of Mombasa and that the tanks had been bought for use by the Kenyan Army.

A Sunday Herald investigation found that there were very few good guys in the saga. The tanks, in addition to at least 67 previously shipped, were in fact destined for delivery to the Government of South Sudan, which put it in breach of Sudan’s 2005 Comprehensive Peace Agreement that ended a 21-year civil war between north and south in which more than 2 million people died.

Classified US State Department cables published by WikiLeaks show not only that the Sunday Herald’s information was right as regards the tanks’ actual destination, but that Washington had encouraged the delivery of weapons to South Sudan even though it was the main guarantor of the peace agreement.

Washington encouraged the delivery of weapons to South Sudan even though it was the main guarantor of the 2005 peace agreement.

The WikiLeaks revelations about US-approved weapons deliveries come at one of the most delicate times in the history of Sudan.

The nation, Africa’s largest, is on the verge of splitting in two. Black African Southern Sudanese, mainly animists and Christians, are scheduled to vote on January 9 in a referendum for their independence from northern Sudan, which is dominated by Muslim Arabs.

If things go wrong, world governments fear Sudan could once more tip over into civil war.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has described the situation in advance of the historic referendum as “a ticking time bomb”.

The WikiLeaks documents show that an extraordinary row broke out between the United States government and the governments of Kenya and Ukraine following the hijacking of the Faina and the revelation of the secret weapons shipment.

Despite its secret approval of previous weapons deliveries via Kenya to South Sudan, it appears that the Washington administration began to lose its nerve as the affair became public and threatened “sweeping sanctions” against both Kenya and Ukraine, asserting that the tank deliveries were illegal.

The Kenyans were deeply angered and “very confused” by the threats from President Barack Obama’s administration, according to the leaked State Department cables, “since the past transfers had been undertaken in consultation with the United States.”

The American ambassador to Kenya, Michael Ranneberger, was given the impossible task of reprimanding the Kenyans despite the fact that the weapons deliveries were carried out with the full knowledge of Washington.

The cables said the American flip-flop “led to a commotion on the Ukrainian side”.

In a story worthy of John Le Carré, the Sunday Herald’s investigation, showed that the owner of the Faina – which had at least three previous names and was registered in Belize – is a Ukraine-based Israeli named Vadim Alperin, who has links to Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, and Mossad agents front companies in Kenya.

Alperin and the chief of Ukraine’s foreign intelligence service, Mykola Malomuzh, together met the Faina when it arrived in Mombasa after the United States 5th Fleet surrounded the vessel and the pirates settled for a minimal $2 million ransom, paid in dollar bills and parachuted on to the Faina’s deck from a light aircraft.

The cables indicate that the first US-approved delivery of Russian tanks via Ukraine and Kenya to South Sudan took place in 2007.

Before the Faina was hijacked, at least 67 T-72s had already been delivered to the South Sudan government in Juba.

In the northern city of Khartoum, capital of united Sudan, Ghazi Salah al-Din al-Atabani, one of President Omar Hassan al-Bashir’s top advisers, chuckled as he told a correspondent from the New York Times: “We knew it [American involvement in the delivery of tanks to the South] – yeah, we knew it.”

The Sunday Herald also revealed that Khartoum had kept quiet about South Sudan’s armaments acquisitions because it was itself in breach of an international arms embargo in relation to the separate conflict in the western province of Darfur, for which President al-Bashir has been indicted for genocide by The Hague-based International Criminal Court.

Given its problems with Darfur and the ICC, it was in the interests of the al-Bashir government to stay silent.

The leaked cables show the United States’ top diplomat in Khartoum, Alberto Fernandez, advising Washington that in the case of any future clandestine tank deliveries to South Sudan it should avoid a repeat hijacking by Somali pirates and “the attention it has drawn.”

The tanks from the Faina remain parked in a Kenyan army barracks near Nairobi.


Again, this is actionable information revealing the US and the MOSSAD in violation of INTERNATIONAL PEACE TREATY committing WAR CRIMES, confirmed and expanded upon by WIKILEAKS.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby DrVolin » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:25 pm

Startling? To whom?
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:56 pm

WikiLeaks Spending Ballooned, Data Show

New data from the German foundation that processes WikiLeaks' bills show that the document-leaking website has sharply increased its spending as it seeks to professionalize its activities by paying salaries—primarily to founder Julian Assange—and as the organization faces potential legal issues.

At the same time, the Germany-based Wau Holland Foundation says it has collected about €1 million ($1.3 million) in donations in 2010, the year in which WikiLeaks exploded into public prominence thanks to its release of thousands of classified U.S. documents. WikiLeaks said in August that it had raised about €765,000 until that point in the year. The data from the foundation, which is a major but not the sole conduit of funding for the website, suggest donations to WikiLeaks have tampered off some since the organization landed in the headlines.

The Wau Holland Foundation provides key back-office services for WikiLeaks' operations by collecting donations and paying its bills. Last summer, WikiLeaks said it operated on about €150,000 a year.

Now, however, the foundation says it has paid about €380,000 in WikiLeaks expenses, with some invoices for the year still unprocessed. Some of that total is for hardware, Internet access and travel, Wau Holland spokesman Hendrik Fulda said. But a big factor in the leap is a recent decision to begin paying salaries to staff.

The primary beneficiary of that decision—which has been hotly debated within WikiLeaks—is Mr. Assange, the controversial founder and public face of WikiLeaks who is currently under house arrest in the U.K., where he faces possible extradition to Sweden to face allegations of sexual misconduct.

So far, the Wau Holland Foundation—founded in 2003 to honor the legacy of the late computer hacker Wau Holland—has paid more than €100,000 in salaries for 2010, including about €66,000 euros to Mr. Assange, Mr. Fulda said.


(Note: 66,000 Euros = $86,565)

Mr. Fulda says the WikiLeaks decision to compensate its staff—rather than rely on volunteers—ends nearly a year of internal debate. In order to professionalize its activities, WikiLeaks will now pay key personnel based on a salary structure developed by the environmental activist organization Greenpeace. Under the structure, Greenpeace department heads are paid about €5,500 euros in monthly salary, Mr. Fulda said.

(Note: 5500 Euros = $7,213 )

The salaries will be paid retroactively to January 2010, Mr. Fulda said. So far, six WikiLeaks staff members have filed invoices requesting compensation, including at least one invoice for just one month of work, Mr. Fulda said. Other former staff members are expected to file for compensation in the coming weeks, he said.

Manfred Redelefs, head of the research unit at Greenpeace Germany, declined to comment on the specific pay structure at WikiLeaks but said, "Every organization is free to use the Greenpeace pay structure as their model."

Another mounting cost for WikiLeaks relates to legal work. Lawyers acting on behalf of WikiLeaks have billed the document-leaking organization for about €30,000 euros in services. Going forward, that could become a much bigger cost for the organization, given that the U.S. has launched several broad investigations in the wake of WikiLeaks' release of classified documents, which has angered the U.S. government.

However, none of the funds collected by the Wau Holland Foundation are going to pay for legal expenses related to defense against possible criminal charges in Sweden, Mr. Fulda said.

WikiLeaks recently established the Julian Assange Defense Fund to collect donations for Mr. Assange's legal battles, including his effort to resist extradition to Sweden for questioning over sexual-assault allegations. WikiLeaks' Twitter account recently posted a link to the fund's term sheet, which says it can be used to cover expenses "concerned with extradition, release from arrest, dealing with bail or surety/security...the cost of obtaining legal advice and legal services for [Mr. Assange]" and to make "payments ordered by any court to be made to any opposing party."

On the fundraising front, Mr. Assange in August said WikiLeaks had raised about $1 million (€763,000) since the beginning of 2010. He said the group got about half of its money from modest donations via its website, and the rest from "personal contacts," including wealthy donors who give tens of thousands of dollars.

Much of this money was donated to the WikiLeaks account at the Wau Holland Foundation, Mr. Fulda said. EBay Inc.'s online-payment service PayPal previously processed many of these WikiLeaks donations via Wau Holland, but this month stopped doing so, saying that WikiLeaks had violated PayPal policies that ban "any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity." Mastercard Inc., Visa Inc. and Bank of America Corp. also recently stopped processing donations to WikiLeaks.

On its website, WikiLeaks says donors can still send money to a WikiLeaks-Wau Holland account at Commerzbank Kassel in Germany, or to an account at Landsbanki in Iceland that also accepts donations to WikiLeaks.

Mr. Fulda says donations have continued at a steady pace despite the cancelation of banking services by PayPal. Wau Holland plans to publish an accounting of processing of donations on behalf of WikiLeaks, Mr. Fulda said. The report will include details of banking fees charged by PayPal for its handling of WikiLeaks donations, Mr. Fulda said.

Mr. Fulda says WikiLeaks asked the Wau Holland foundation to determine whether it could contribute to a legal-defense fund created for the benefit of U.S. Army intelligence analyst Pfc. Bradley Manning. Military prosecutors allege Mr. Manning, who is awaiting court martial at a military base in Quantico, Va., illegally downloaded and disseminated government documents. If convicted, he could face a 52-year jail sentence. The foundation is awaiting advice from its lawyers on whether the donation would be legal under German law, Mr. Fulda said.

A spokesman for the foundation's oversight agency said the Wau Holland Foundation must make an initial decision on whether it is authorized to assist Mr. Manning's defense fund. "If necessary, we would review the decision later," the spokesman said.

Write to David Crawford at david.crawford@wsj.com and Jeanne Whalen at jeanne.whalen@wsj.com

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 23348.html


So much for the cloak of higher ideals... :roll:
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Simulist » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:14 pm

So far, the Wau Holland Foundation—founded in 2003 to honor the legacy of the late computer hacker Wau Holland—has paid more than €100,000 in salaries for 2010, including about €66,000 euros to Mr. Assange, Mr. Fulda said.

(Note: 66,000 Euros = $86,565)

Cosmic Cowbell wrote:So much for the cloak of higher ideals... :roll:

WikiLeaks was established four years ago, in 2006. If Julian Assange has made little more than $86,565 in that time, then that comes out to about $21,641.25 per year.

Maybe one of his ideals is eating; if so, then I really can't fault him for it.
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:37 pm

Simulist wrote:Maybe one of his ideals is eating; if so, then I really can't fault him for it.


I'm not saying it's right or wrong Sim, I'm saying it dilutes somewhat the up until now noble ideal of the "all volunteer" no ties to funding organization.

One has to wonder how many donations have been made to the cause surreptitiously by governments that are happy to see the US embarrassed - by any means possible? Will we at some point see the Iranian leaks? How about Syria? Venezuela? China? Russia?

Things that make you go "Hmmm".
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Simulist » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:45 pm

Cosmic Cowbell wrote:
Simulist wrote:Maybe one of his ideals is eating; if so, then I really can't fault him for it.


I'm not saying it's right or wrong Sim, I'm saying it dilutes somewhat the up until now noble ideal of the "all volunteer" no ties to funding organization.

One has to wonder how many donations have been made to the cause surreptitiously by governments that are happy to see the US embarrassed - by any means possible? Will we at some point see the Iranian leaks? How about Syria? Venezuela? China? Russia?

Things that make you go "Hmmm".

I'll tell you what makes me go "Hmmm": the overwhelming degree to which the United States — which promotes itself as a "democracy" — hides pertinent information from its citizenry.

Secrecy is poison to democracy.
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:00 pm

Simulist wrote:Secrecy is poison to democracy.


But it is often the grease which facilitates diplomacy in the world.

Can I assume then, hypothetically if even Wikileaks knew, that you would be for transparency wrt to their donor list?

They now have a payroll to meet. Should that -not- raise legitimate questions as to funding?
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:05 pm

Simulist wrote:I'll tell you what makes me go "Hmmm": the overwhelming degree to which the United States — which promotes itself as a "democracy" — hides pertinent information from its citizenry.

Secrecy is poison to democracy.



Agreed.

However, as I'm sure you would agree, the U.S. hasn't been a 'democracy' [if it ever was, in its truest sense of the word] for quite some time... though that surely doesn't stop the term from being utilized freely by most [in positions of influence] as a descriptor of our current "system"...
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:06 pm

Cosmic Cowbell wrote:
They now have a payroll to meet. Should that -not- raise legitimate questions as to funding?


Yes.
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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Simulist » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:06 pm

Cosmic Cowbell wrote:
Simulist wrote:Secrecy is poison to democracy.


But it is often the grease which facilitates diplomacy in the world.

Can I assume then, hypothetically if even Wikileaks knew, that you would be for transparency wrt to their donor list?

They now have a payroll to meet. Should that -not- raise legitimate questions as to funding?

I would be in favor of transparency as regards WikiLeaks' donor list, yes.

What would raise serious questions regarding their source of funding would be if there were no visible means of funding! After all, the people of any organization in this civilization (as it is presently constituted), need food, clothing, and shelter.

If there remained no visible means of funding such an organization (whether the donor list were disclosed or not), then one would have serious reasons to wonder what the hidden source(s) of their funding might be.

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Re: It Pays to Wikileak

Postby Simulist » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:10 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:
Simulist wrote:I'll tell you what makes me go "Hmmm": the overwhelming degree to which the United States — which promotes itself as a "democracy" — hides pertinent information from its citizenry.

Secrecy is poison to democracy.



Agreed.

However, as I'm sure you would agree, the U.S. hasn't been a 'democracy' [if it ever was, in its truest sense of the word] for quite some time... though that surely doesn't stop the term from being utilized freely by most [in positions of influence] as a descriptor of our current "system"...

Yes, I would agree that the United States is not now a credible functioning democracy, if it ever really was.

You can have "democracy" or you can have a "national security state."

You cannot have both.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby justdrew » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:12 pm

disclosing their donors would be a terrible thing to do. First it would force them to try to police the identity of every single donation, and create the expectation that every donator's back story is somehow relevant. Want to start a bullshit newsstory, just get some controlled asshat to donate a bunch of money to WL and then they can accept or reject the donation. this would be a crazy way to run things. I would think that WL doesn't even know or want to know the identity of anyone giving them money.

very large foundation grants would be a different story. but I would think most donations are "blind"
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:21 pm

DrVolin wrote:Startling? To whom?


Not startling at all. It's common knowledge that America/Israel are actively promoting instability and civil war in Sudan. What would have been truly startling is any acknowledgment in the cables that John Garang, former South Sudanese rebel leader, was assassinated by his CIA and/or Mossad handlers as punishment two weeks after decreeing the dissolution of the CIA and Mossad-backed Sudanese People's Liberation Movement, ending the US and Israel sponsored bloody civil war and joining the Sudanese government as Omar Bashir's Vice President of Sudan. At the time he was killed, in a "helicopter crash" in Uganda after a mysterious meeting with Ugandan president Museveni, a CIA asset, he was extremely popular in Khartoum and indeed all of Sudan, and had been making inspiring speeches about using Sudan's rich natural resources to finance ambitious industrialization and development projects for all Sudanese.

I'm not saying that's ever likely to come out, just that it would have been startling indeed. :D
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