'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

[hanshan]

Gulf News; From Bad to Worse
By Rob Kall
June 17, 2010

]We need to take a Apollo, moon landing technology approach to what is happening in the gulf. We need big ideas and solutions because there are other deep water wells out there waiting to become catastrophes. Joe Trippi said it well, responding to Obama's speech Tuesday night:

The president could have told the American people that it is clear that we had the technology to drill a hole in the ocean floor 1 mile beneath the surface.
Then, he should have leveled with us and said that it is just as unclear, right now, how we can put the technology in place to shut it down quickly after the tragic explosion.

Just as we were able to bring Apollo 13 back to earth safely, we will shut this well down, the president could have assured us.[/list]

[b]We need to take a WWII approach to low tech temporary interventions, like building 10,000 skimmers that can be rigged to existing boats. We need to figure out ways to use trawlers to drag booms that absorb oil through those massive curtains of oil, so they can be cleaned up deep in the ocean.

Obama still does not get the immensity of the problem. He needs to imagine 1.25 to 5 BILLION barrels-- 50 billion to 210 billion gallons of oil-- spewing into the gulf rounding the keys, despoiling the Caribbean, riding the Gulf Current up the eastern seaboard, jumping over to Europe....[/b]

I really don't think he gets it. STILL. This son of a bitch is a failure. He was a failure in banking reform, in open government, in healthcare, on civil rights, on and on. We are going to be drowning in oil. If the worst case scenario plays out, Louisiana should just liquidate and become parts of surrounding states. It may be the first state 'delisted' from the flags 50 star blue field, provided the USA is still intact for much longer.

Obama gets it just as much as Bush got the extent of the catastrophe that Katrina was.

I gave up on being an incompetence theorist long ago.

How many times do these people need to completely destroy stuff (the WTC complex, the Iraq war, based on "bad intelligence," the world economy, and now the Gulf of Mexico) before we realize that they're doing it on purpose?

What the fuck does Obama care if the Gulf's ecosystem is destroyed, and clean up workers are getting sick, and the fishing industry is destroyed, and the tourist industry is destroyed, or even if the U.S. completely collapses?

Why would anyone think that he would care about any of that? Because he wants to get reelected????? Because he's a nice guy???? Because he cares about people???? Because he believes in America?????

BWAAAAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. I'm afraid that the reality is that he serves the same interests as the previous doooshbag in chief, and the one before him, and the one before him, and those interests seem to include a systematic destruction of the United States, in order for the internationalists to tighten their grip on world government, as we head into the end timesian carnival that the Zionists and Christian Zionists have been working towards.

And what's happened to all of the trillions of dollars that vanished during the global economic collapse? Well, they needed more deep underground military bases, and seed vaults, to protect them from the extinction level event they've been hinting at in every freaking movie and tv show over the past 15 years. Have you ever watched the History Channel? It's end times central, baby.

I have no "hard evidence," and I can't post a link to a mainstream source, but to me, it looks like a duck, and it smells like a duck, and my gut tells me that this is what's going on.

Incidentally, I had several drinks with dinner tonight, so I may regret this post later.

We'll see.

Agreed; don't think the alcohol got in the way, just loosened the spigot.
Into whose hands is moot. Hard evidence? Gut instinct works pretty good.

Wasn't suggesting you couldn't see Obama & his act clearly; he's set a record
for being Powell'd (recall Colin Powell's performance at the UN Security Council (case for war) .

Powell'd, that's good. Sums it up well. But then again, Powell was a military guy, and gave that phony intel testimony wearing his uniform, so even though he was in a civilian position, and knew that we knew that he knew he was lying, as a military man, his first duty was to follow orders, and that's what he was doing. Obama on the other hand has to worry about getting reelected and getting Democratic pols reelected, and he doesn't have Powell's built-in excuse.

I really don't think he gets it. STILL.

I think he gets that he's in a political jam, and the Gulf of M is his personal Bay of Pigs: he can either appease the MIC that installed him, a la Palin, or he can push back, but either way, he's politically f#cked. Strange that the denouement we seem to be approaching is a nuke next to Cuba, but maybe that was the idea all along. If it comes to that, and it might, Obama's going to be in the same lose-lose pickle Kennedy was. Weird. I hope he doesn't do it, and I think it's possible that he won't, but the pressure is going to be intense.

Granted, Powell was military & follows orders first, even if those orders are at base illegal,
he's not about to stand a stand. Too much historicity of being Tom'd

Disagree on the nuke meme. Think firmer hands control that switch. & appears his
political future is gone, fini.

Okay, a few things just occurred to me. Obvious things, yet I have to see anyone, anywhere, yet, make the connection.

We just found out today that Halliburton is going to make money on the spill. No big surprise. Everybody's asking "is it just luck/good timing?" that Halliburton bought that oil clean-up company just before the well blew?

And good old Tiny Tony. Didn't he sell just a TON of BP stock right before the well blew?

Well both of those are kind of old news.

So we kind of forgot them.

But suddenly we've learned that BP knew this well was bad news all the way back in 2009. And they REALLY knew this well was fucked up back in February of 2010.

So when, exactly, did Tiny Tony sell his stock?

Oh yeah.

And when, exactly, did Halliburton make the deal to buy that oil-spill-cleanup company?

Oh yeah.

Wow.

They all knew this well was gonna blow. It seems they acted in ways, on purpose, so they would just "get it over with" so they could "get their life back" perhaps.

Let's see now long it takes for anyone else to make this connection.

Yeah, the old boring story (insiders have all the fun; insert ironic icon here).
Good connect the dot, Nordic.Think that's a solid analysis.




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[TVC15]

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ope. I'm afraid that the reality is that he serves the same interests as the previous doooshbag in chief, and the one before him, and the one before him, and those interests seem to include a systematic destruction of the United States, in order for the internationalists to tighten their grip on world government, as we head into the end timesian carnival that the Zionists and Christian Zionists have been working towards.

And what's happened to all of the trillions of dollars that vanished during the global economic collapse? Well, they needed more deep underground military bases, and seed vaults, to protect them from the extinction level event they've been hinting at in every freaking movie and tv show over the past 15 years. Have you ever watched the History Channel? It's end times central, baby.

Bruce is exactly right.

Looming cataclysm explains perfectly the hellbent way "they" don't seem to give a fuck and just keep stoking the boiler of a train that is obviously careening down the rails to disaster.

"They" intend to not only to survive what is coming, but to mosey out of their bunkers and rule over whatever is left on the planet after the shitstorm settles.

This is the New World Order situation they talk about, this is the order out of chaos idea they plaster everywhere. It all comes into play after the real extinction event occurs ( and maybe just before if they can no longer keep the lid on and it becomes apparent to all what is about to happen).

[2012 Countdown]

In Pictures: BP Boss Tony Hayward’s Yacht Sails The Isle Of Wigth’s Pristine Waters



BP Chief Executive Tony Hayward's yacht Bob, during the JP Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race.
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http://www.anorak.co.uk/251319/sports/i ... =22506#img


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Posted: Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:30AM
As oil spews in Gulf_ BP chief? at UK yacht race
Associated Press Reporting
BP's chief executive is taking some time off from dealing with the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
Tony Hayward is in England, where a spokeswoman says he's watching his boat compete in the world's largest yacht race off the Isle of Wight.
Spokeswoman Sheila Williams says Hayward took time off his duties handling the oil spill catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico to see his boat "Bob'' participate in the J.P. Morgan Asset
Management Round the Island Race on Saturday.
The one-day yacht race is one of the world's largest, attracting hundreds of boats and thousands of sailors.
A company statement calls it "a rare moment of private time'' for Hayward and says "no matter where he is, he is always in touch with what is happening within BP.''
The news comes amid questions are about who's in charge of BP's response.
BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg tells Britain's Sky News that Hayward is handing over the role of point man on the crisis to Managing Director Bob Dudley.
But a company spokesman based in London tells the Associated Press that Hayward is "still very much in charge in the response.''

http://www.wwl.com/As-oil-spews-in-Gulf ... ce/7505087

[Jeff]

Hayward took time off his duties handling the oil spill catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico to see his boat "Bob'' participate in the J.P. Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race on Saturday.

[2012 Countdown]

yeah, wtf kind of name is 'Bob"?

Look who's mucking about on the water? Disgraced BP boss Tony Hayward spotted in yacht race


Not a slick PR move: As oil chokes the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, a man who looks like BP boss Tony Hayward, centre, enjoys a day out on his yacht Bob off the Isle Of Wight


With his collar up and wearing a cap and glasses, the man believed to be Mr Hayward makes up the crew of his yacht during the race. The move will be seen as insensitive considering the ongoing crisis in the Gulf of Mexico


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

[lupercal]

Hayward took time off his duties handling the oil spill catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico to see his boat "Bob'' participate in the J. P. Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race on Saturday.

hmm... and what island would that be?

[thatsmystory]

The entire government of the United States has a huge conflict of interest. Hell, it's not even a conflict anymore! They work for Big Corporate, it's as simple as that.

. . .

You'd have to be a complete moron to miss this now.

Our peers, the American people, are complete morons. A sad but unavoidable truth. Sometimes it's systematic, sometimes it's individual, but dumbness abounds.

I was watching an episode of The Wire earlier tonight. It contained this dialogue:

''Americans are a stupid people, by and large,'' Bunk's partner told a rookie detective. ''We pretty much believe whatever we're told.'' ''The bigger the lie, the more they believe,'' said Bunk.

I would argue that emotional manipulation better explains why some people don't recognize the obvious corruption.

Example: Wikileaks. Look how transparency is associated with danger. The leaker is portrayed as a traitor. The previously released helicopter attack video is associated with putting soldiers at increased risk.

Example: For years there has been an unrelenting effort to associate police state and unitary executive powers with good faith efforts to prevent terrorist attacks. Thus any suggestion that the power grab is based on ulterior motives is passed off as fringe anti-American conspiracy nonsense.

Example: Luntz propaganda. Regulation is associated with government tyranny.

Then there is the discomfort of not belonging to the group.

[Iamwhomiam]

"But a company spokesman based in London tells the Associated Press that Hayward is "still very much in charge in the response."

Yes, still in charge and still out of touch with the "small people."

By the way, the yacht is no longer named "Bob", but is now being called the "Slick."

Perhaps the "Bobbing Slick" (of Death) would be more apropos.

[82_28]

In Pictures: BP Boss Tony Hayward’s Yacht Sails The Isle Of Wigth’s Pristine Waters

BP Chief Executive Tony Hayward's yacht Bob, during the JP Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race.
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http://www.anorak.co.uk/251319/sports/i ... =22506#img


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Posted: Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:30AM
As oil spews in Gulf_ BP chief? at UK yacht race
Associated Press Reporting
BP's chief executive is taking some time off from dealing with the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
Tony Hayward is in England, where a spokeswoman says he's watching his boat compete in the world's largest yacht race off the Isle of Wight.
Spokeswoman Sheila Williams says Hayward took time off his duties handling the oil spill catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico to see his boat "Bob'' participate in the J.P. Morgan Asset
Management Round the Island Race on Saturday.
The one-day yacht race is one of the world's largest, attracting hundreds of boats and thousands of sailors.
A company statement calls it "a rare moment of private time'' for Hayward and says "no matter where he is, he is always in touch with what is happening within BP.''
The news comes amid questions are about who's in charge of BP's response.
BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg tells Britain's Sky News that Hayward is handing over the role of point man on the crisis to Managing Director Bob Dudley.
But a company spokesman based in London tells the Associated Press that Hayward is "still very much in charge in the response.''

http://www.wwl.com/As-oil-spews-in-Gulf ... ce/7505087

Wow. Just wow. wowowowowow. They are just throwing it into us small people's faces aren't they? Just amazing.

Meanwhile, National Geographic is getting into the apocalypse act now:

Gulf Oil Leaks Could Gush for Years

"We don't have any idea how to stop this," expert says.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -cap-leak/

(shit, I guess that's from May. Anyways, I found it telling that even NatGeo is reporting on this "kook" Simmons' dire warnings)

And as I am wont to do in issues of strange natures, I like to look up the meanings of the last names of the perps and/or major figures in said issues.

Hayward Family Crest and Name History

Origin Displayed: English

Where did the English Hayward family come from? What is the English coat of arms/family crest? When did the Hayward family first arrive in the United States? Where did the various branches of the family go? What is the history of the family name?

The name Hayward arrived in England after the Norman Conquest of 1066. It is a name for a person who was in charge of protecting an enclosed forest from damage by vandals, animals, and poachers. The name was originally derived from the Old English haye, which meant enclosure.

Norman surnames are characterized by a multitude of spelling variations. The frequent changes in surnames are largely due to the fact that the Old and Middle English languages lacked definite spelling rules. The introduction of Norman French to England, as well as the official court languages of Latin and French, also had pronounced influences on the spelling of surnames. Since medieval scribes and church officials recorded names as they sounded, rather than adhering to any specific spelling rules, it was common to find the same individual referred to with different spellings. The name has been spelled Hayward, Heyward, Haward, Haywood, Heywood and others.

First found in Gloucestershire where they held a family seat from very early times and were granted lands by Duke William of Normandy, their liege Lord, for their distinguished assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 A.D.

Many English families emigrated to North American colonies in order to escape the political chaos in Britain at this time. Unfortunately, many English families made the trip to the New World under extremely harsh conditions. Overcrowding on the ships caused the majority of the immigrants to arrive diseased, famished, and destitute from the long journey across the stormy Atlantic. Despite these hardships, many of the families prospered and went on to make invaluable contributions to the development of the cultures of the United States and Canada. Early North American immigration records have revealed a number of people bearing the name Hayward or a variant listed above: Hugh Haward settled in Virginia in 1624 with his wife Susan; Thomas Hayward settled in New England in 1634 with his wife Susannah and five children; Samuel Hayward settled in New England in 1687.

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/q ... -crest.htm

Looks like a "crowded" yacht of Haywards to me. I always thought his face carried a bit of "royal" features to it. What more do we know on his and his family's history?

Also the being "in charge" of protecting animals and wildlife and such is meant oxymoron -- a reverse of what he has overseen. Anyways, it looks like he finally got his life back.

[Peregrine]

Congressman Joe Barton apologizes to BP

Rep. Joe Barton told Hayward he was "ashamed" of the pressure the White House put on BP to create the $20 billion escrow fund to cover losses to victims of the spill. "I think it's a tragedy of the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would call a shakedown," the Texan said. "In this case a $20 billion shakedown."



link

[justdrew]

Q. what do you call a CEO with no arms and no legs tossed in the ocean?

A. bob

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another concern could be disruption of ocean oxygen production to the atmosphere...

ABSTRACT. The effect of oil spilled on Alaskan freshwater phytoplankton
populations was studied in waters affected by natural oil seeps, by controlled crude oil
spills in tundra thaw ponds and in a morainal lake, by subpond manipulations and
bioassay experiments. The studies were carried out over a period of seven years.
Regardless of dose the effects of oil were predictable in the small ponds. The
zooplankton populations were virtually eliminated, and after an initial depression of
primary productivity the photosynthetic rates returned to approximately prespill levels
with a small increase in algal biomass. A markedly altered algal composition was an
invariable effect of the response, with the elimination of a dominant flagellated form,
Rhodomonas spp., in the case of the ponds. From the results of subpond manipulation
experiments, evidence supports the hypothesis that elimination of grazers is the
principal cause of altered species composition and increased biomass in these ponds. In
our lake system there was a severe reduction in primary production during the season
of the experimental spill. During the second year only the spring boom was supressed
by the added oil. Bioassay experiments supported the hypothesis that in such lakes,
direct inhibition of algal photosynthesis may be important, although zooplankton were
greatly reduced.
http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic31-3-192.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoplankton

[Jeff]

[Bruce Dazzling]

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ope. I'm afraid that the reality is that he serves the same interests as the previous doooshbag in chief, and the one before him, and the one before him, and those interests seem to include a systematic destruction of the United States, in order for the internationalists to tighten their grip on world government, as we head into the end timesian carnival that the Zionists and Christian Zionists have been working towards.

And what's happened to all of the trillions of dollars that vanished during the global economic collapse? Well, they needed more deep underground military bases, and seed vaults, to protect them from the extinction level event they've been hinting at in every freaking movie and tv show over the past 15 years. Have you ever watched the History Channel? It's end times central, baby.

Bruce is exactly right.

Looming cataclysm explains perfectly the hellbent way "they" don't seem to give a fuck and just keep stoking the boiler of a train that is obviously careening down the rails to disaster.

"They" intend to not only to survive what is coming, but to mosey out of their bunkers and rule over whatever is left on the planet after the shitstorm settles.

This is the New World Order situation they talk about, this is the order out of chaos idea they plaster everywhere. It all comes into play after the real extinction event occurs ( and maybe just before if they can no longer keep the lid on and it becomes apparent to all what is about to happen).

Sorry if we're veering slightly off topic, but I think a discussion that questions if the BP disaster was committed on purpose makes the rest of this post relevant.





MAINTAIN humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Maintain?

How is it going to get there in to begin with?

Why has the CIA relocated to the city with the highest elevation in the US?

Why was Denver International Airport built in that same city, in an area protected by mountains, supposedly on top of deep underground bases?

Why is it protected by this ridonkulous blue demon mustang?



Why is Anubis now keeping company with Bluecipher?



Why are the runways built to resemble a swastika?



Why is this mural in the DIA lobby?



Why, why, why?

[82_28]

Why is it protected by this ridonkulous blue demon mustang?

*that btw killed the artist who crafted it*

You're freaking me out, Bruce.

I forgot about the CIA moving to Denver part too.

Balloon boy -- FALCON (while not inside) crash landed at DIA.

Check out Goro's latest:

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/up ... htm#061710

The official explanation was that the anamolous light was remnants of the SpaceX Falcon-9 rocket launched from the United States. The hidden context here goes back to what I had been paying a lot of attention to since last year (contributing to my assessment of the significance of the Orange window), i.e. the return of the Japanese asteroid probe Hayabusa, meaning 'Falcon', on June 13 in Australia. The connections were obvious and telling:

* SpaceX Falcon-9 rocket successfully launches
* Spiral 'UFO' spotted over Australia - thought to be remnants of Falcon-9 rocket
* Japanese asteroid probe Hayabusa (= 'Falcon') returns home (Australia) - 'contact' with earth

Hayabusa, presumably bringing back a piece of the asteroid, literally made contact with our earth. It was a 'Contact' event, reiterated by the Australian spiral light/'Falcon' incident. In this way 'Contact' morphed into an 'asteroid impact' storyline a la Armageddon (and Deep Impact) which is a film I already fingered, more or less declaring it the 'script' being followed by the Gulf oil leak disaster...

[justdrew]

MAINTAIN humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Maintain?

How is it going to get there in to begin with?

how? Like humanity's going to have any choice in the matter. We'll be lucky to be able to keep the population that high it seems to me. We are actively destroying the complex systems that support our existence. All positive changes are at best scattered, inadequate, chaotic, unplanned and resisted. Because we let people who's mentality can be described as psychopathic control our entire capital (human, monetary, natural resource, intellectual even, etc).

It is not at all clear that the human species can support a better system of coordinated action. Any attempt at integrated coordination and systemic change will be fought to the death by the current rulers and their witting and un-witting minions. Even those not actively fighting changes may find they don't particularly like the choices made and the consequences.

yes, the current ruling class may well have seen this coming, probably at least since about 1970 when the first global developments computer simulations were run. Their choices have indeed lead us to this crossroads. Perhaps they have contingency plans in place to save some part of them in some way. Deep underground "cities" is a possibility, but that's really very complex to pull off and may not actually be technically feasible, their plans may be less grandiose but it is possible such plans exist. It's probably for the best that someone have some large scale plans. It's their fault in the first place and it's not fair but god damn, what in this world has ever been fair? Consider an analogy. Crossing a street, you're hit by a bus. Yes, it's the bus's fault. it shouldn't have hit you; but - it's undeniable that you allowed yourself to walk in front of a moving bus. it doesn't matter that you had the right of way.

The only chance we've got is rapid technological revolution. Which will hopefully condition (with guidance) a mass sociological revolution.

1. carbon-neutral biological energy production. Made from CO2, water and the sun (and a few trace nutrients). Closed loop algae (or other small photosynthetic, lipid producing form) photobioreactors. Modular. everyone can have their own, put one anywhere. Nearly free energy, to use or sell. This tech will become so wide spread, almost everyone will know how to operate, repair, even build them. This is the living foundation of the new energy economy.

2. a general revolution in production of everything. small scale manufacturing from local sustainably gathered resources. 100% recycling and reuse. (this is going to be a requirement anyway soon for metals especially)

3. global packet switched network, distributed and operated by individuals, no "kill switch possible" - this is an essential platform for education, communication and culture. Education is very important because most people are going to need to become involved to some extent in making, designing, building, researching, etc.

4. the cellulose from the biofuel production will have a wide range of uses, from a production material to use in hybrid rockets. This can give us clean safe access to space, finally opening a new frontier, something essential for human psychology.

5. a revolution in law/standards enforcement is also required.

6. food production changes, focus on local production, shipping only specialty ingredients and surpluses. all cooking, forming, packaging done locally.

7. transport revolution. hydrogen filled airships with solar powered propellers for most freight.

I think it's possible we have a great future ahead of us, but it's going to take a lot of hard-core visualization to get there (maybe even a little doing too ). Sounds funny but seriously, if we don't have a clear goal in mind, there's no chance of getting where we need to be.