Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[elfismiles]

What would be the psychotic prize in such a massacre?

Same as it ever was ... "Strategy of Tension" to " spread panic among the population who would in turn demand stronger and more dictatorial governments"?

Maybe ... or maybe just the lunacy of humanity welling up within one poor "lone nut" schmuck.

[compared2what?]

Let me rescind the 35% figure and let me say that he was the dude with a 35% UNLIKELIHOOD of doing what was done. I meant it the other way around.

I'm still confused.

65% likely to be guilt, 35% likely to be innocent?

Or the other way around?

Because here's the deal and we already know it. What would be the psychotic prize in such a massacre?

The not-necessarily-making-sense thing that question brings into play makes it difficult to say.

[seemslikeadream]

Police arrest Mo. man planning mass shooting at "Breaking Dawn" screening, Walmart

BOLIVAR, MO. A 20-year-old man is in custody after his mother contacted the police, fearing that he was planning to commit mass murder at a "Twilight" screening at a Missouri Walmart.

Court documents obtained by CBS affiliate KCTV in Kansas City, Mo. show that Blaec Lammers had purchased assault rifles and more than 400 rounds of ammunition. His mother had told authorities on Thursday that her son had purchased weapons similar to those used by James Holmes, the Colorado movie theater massacre shooter.

"Blaec Lammers stated that he had a lot in common with the people involved in (recent mass shootings). Blaec Lammers stated that he was quiet, kind of a loner, had recently purchased firearms and didn't tell anybody about it, and had homicidal thoughts," according to court documents.

Lammers admitted to police that he had bought a rifle on Monday and another on Tuesday with the intention of shooting audience members who attended a showing of "The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn: Part 2" at the B&B theater in Bolivar, Mo. on Sunday, KCTV reported. He also planned to continue shooting at a local Walmart because he thought he could have access to additional ammunition. He had been practicing with the weapons at a shooting range in Aldrich.

"Blaec Lammers stated that he would walk into the store and just start shooting people at random and if he ran out of ammunition . . . he would just break the glass where the ammunition is stored and get some more and keep on shooting until police arrived. Blaec Lammers then stated that he would then turn himself into police when they arrived," court documents said.

Lammers is being held on $500,000 bond and charged with first-degree assault, making a terroristic threat and armed criminal action.

Lammers had previously threatened to stab and kill a Walmart employee and had stalked the employee around the store before he we was stopped by authorities. He has not had any prior convictions.

Det. Dusty Ross of the Bolivar Police Department told the Bolivar News that police did not think anyone else was involved.

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C2W, I meant it originally "the other way around". I basically don't think he did it. Yet perhaps he did. I don't think he was a lone wolf if indeed he did have any hand in it. And any hand he did have was:

[elfismiles]

fwiw which is probably nuttin...

James Holmes: Inmate's strange tale of "confession" and suicide efforts
By Alan Prendergast Tue., Nov. 20 2012 at 6:40 AM

Steven Unruh is having a hard time convincing anyone that he spent hours talking to Aurora theater shootings suspect James Holmes shortly after his arrest last July. Jail officials say there's no way that Unruh could have had that kind of access. Yet certain elements of the story -- which includes a description that resembles the headbanging routine that sent Holmes to the hospital last week -- have been attracting attention from law enforcement and even families of the shooting victims.

"They're going to try to discredit my story," Unruh told Westword in a recent interview at the jail. "But I was able to have a four-hour talk with him. I talked him out of suicide."

There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the tale presented by Unruh, a 38-year-old inmate with a long history of drug and theft charges. To begin with, his account of what Holmes supposedly told him is as bizarre as a William S. Burroughs fever dream. Also, Unruh just got out of prison last January after serving six years for methamphetamine and credit-card fraud convictions, and he says he's been diagnosed as having a bipolar condition.

"It's always been meth with me," he says. "If I drink a beer or something, I've got the voices in my head that drive me to do more drugs. I'm really weak-minded."

He's going public with his account of an encounter with Holmes, he says, only after first trying to interest the Arapahoe County District Attorney's Office in his story. He's currently facing habitual criminal charges and had hoped to deal his way into mental health treatment rather than a twelve-year prison sentence. Although an investigator visited him, "the DA hasn't been working with me," he sighs.


James Holmes.
What Unruh can prove is that he was booked into the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office Detention Facility on drug and theft charges at 6:44 p.m. on July 19 -- just hours before the attack in Aurora at a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises that left twelve dead and dozens wounded. Unruh says he was still in the booking area when officers brought in Holmes, whose head was initially covered with a hood. Although Holmes was put into a cell by himself, Unruh says inmates in the area are able to communicate by shouting through a small gap in the cell doors, which move back and forth on rails.

"I didn't know who he was," Unruh explains. "I could hear some black dudes yelling from the other side, 'You're a piece of shit! Kill yourself!' I had been in prison before, so they said, 'Tell this dude he's not going to be all high and mighty on the prison yard.'"

Unruh says he began talking to Holmes, explaining how poorly child killers are received in prison. Jail staff quickly covered the window in Holmes' cell door with a tarp, but Unruh says he heard him pounding on the wall with his fists -- and then running, slamming his body and his head into the wall. (Unruh described this action in an interview that took place several days before Holmes reportedly engaged in similar headbanging last week.)

"It went on for ten minutes before I couldn't handle it any more," Unruh says. "I told him, 'Don't be doing that. You need to repent to the people for what happened.' He asked me to do an apology letter for the kids."

Captain Vince Sauter of the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office says that both the physical layout of the booking area and staff's monitoring of the area would have prevented the kind of dialogue Unruh claims. "Even if they were in booking at the same time, they couldn't shout from one cell to another like that," he says. "For someone to say they were communicating with this person -- it can't happen."

Lieutenant J.D. Knight, who directly supervises booking operations, agrees. "It would be virtually impossible for Mr. Unruh to have any of the communications he has stated," he says.

But Unruh insists the sporadic conversation continued even after Holmes was moved to another cell in the area. He says that Holmes told him "he felt like he was in a video game" during the shooting, that "he wasn't on his meds" and "nobody would help him." He says Holmes also mentioned NLP -- presumably, neuro-linguistic programming, a much-scorned and outmoded approach to psychotherapy -- and claimed to have been "programmed" to kill by an evil therapist.

"When he got out to his car, he wasn't programmed no more," Unruh says. "It sounded kind of crazy. He was trying to run it by me, basically."

Unruh has a phone number that he says Holmes asked him to call. (The number connects to the cell phone of a bereavement counselor, who says she has no acquaintance with Holmes or Unruh.) He has a form that indicates James Holmes tried to send him a letter, but it was rejected by jail authorities. (Knight says he has no record of any letter sent by Holmes to Unruh, intercepted or otherwise.) He claims to have received messages from Holmes via other inmates since that night, but he admits he doesn't know if the sender was actually Holmes.

Still, Unruh's story seems to have drawn interest in one unlikely quarter. He says Holmes told him he "walked up and down the aisles" of the theater three times before he opened fire, and that detail, if true, might have some bearing on the pending litigation by victims' families against the theater chain. Unruh has paperwork indicating that he's been in communication with at least one family member on that point.

Unruh's story may well prove to be nonsense. Whether it's his nonsense or Holmes's own, the lack of answers in the Aurora tragedy has some people looking for whatever answers can be found.


http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/20 ... ooting.php

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Captain Vince Sauter of the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office says that both the physical layout of the booking area and staff's monitoring of the area would have prevented the kind of dialogue Unruh claims. "Even if they were in booking at the same time, they couldn't shout from one cell to another like that," he says. "For someone to say they were communicating with this person -- it can't happen."

Yeah, it may be a whole lotta nuthin'. But first off, cops lie. Which brings the question of this Holmes dude into question once again. He doesn't seem capable of pulling off such a stunt. I've been in this jail back when I was 21, for a night and for a DUI. I know its layout and I studied the ways in which they house people in the GP. It's a quad, almost panopticon style with guards consistently above you and all the rest. They even turn on ear piercing alarms just to harass everyone in the quad you are in. Unless Holmes was housed in some extra special unit, there is definite chance this story is true. Yet this captain doesn't go on to explain whether or not Holmes got the "extra special unit" unknown to people that have spent the night there. From what I know, this captain's tale is full of shit as I have seen the passive abuse they dole out there. Like in the middle of the day, before I got bailed out, they just say "we're going into lockdown". I'm all looking around going "what?" Answer was "oh yeah, they do that". Then you go to your cell and get locked in until they decide to open the doors again. It's awful.

[chump]

Reminded me of this:

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/09 ... -employee/

Aurora Massacre: Jailhouse Snitch is Actually a CO Youth Corrections Department Employee
Posted on September 22, 2012 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton (H/T Sheila Aliens)

The kangaroo court trial of James Holmes just took another, bizarre and potentially illegal twist.

Yesterday we talked about how this trial was turning into a freak show, today it seems it’s more staged than I originally thought.

It seems like someone involved in this case took a corrections department employee from the neighboring county and booked her on a trumped up charge which would be easily dismissed later and stricken from her record, then put her in protective custody on the same medical ward that James Holmes is on, so that she could falsely claim that he confessed to the killings.

Chillingly, this jailhouse plant, the corrections employee, hinted in an earlier Facebook comment that Holmes may kill himself in jail.

Turns out the “former inmate” who gave an interview to FOX31 Denver’s Justin Joseph in which she claims to have heard him admit to committing the July 20th massacre at the Century 16 theater in Aurora, just happens to have posted comments in the past (July 23rd) condemning Holmes and stating that he’s “not going to get away with it”

Not only that, but it appears she may even be a correction officer in a nearby county...



... Desira Keys was arrested on a trumped-up charge of violating a protection order when she got back together with her ex-husband. She was then put in a protective custody type cell just feet from James Holmes, where as a corrections employee she would be safe and she could “inform” on Homes.

Is that illegal? Is the fact that this corrections department worker foresees Holmes killing himself in custody before he goes to trial relevant? Is it cause for concern?

Someone in Aurora County has a lot to answer for. It could be Chief Dan Oates or even the prosecution.

If she had anything relevant to add to the case, my guess is that she would have kept her mouth shut and turned state’s evidence. As it is, since the judge issued a gag order on the trial, she may not be allowed to testify in court now that she has given this interview and she may not want to anyway in fear of perjuring herself.

Either way, this was an outrageous move by the prosecution or the sheriff’s office and equally dishonest on the part of Fox 31 for broadcasting her statements without publicizing her personal interest in the case.

[compared2what?]

Yeah, it may be a whole lotta nuthin'. But first off, cops lie.

But since that really just means that you can't take the cop's word for it that the drug addict who's seeking to deal his way out of twelve years is lying, I'm not so sure it changes the equation by much. If at all.

Which brings the question of this Holmes dude into question once again. He doesn't seem capable of pulling off such a stunt.

Honestly, I don't know under what circumstances I'd feel like I could give an answer to the question "Does this person seem capable of committing an impersonal act of mass violence for no particular reason at all?" that was more affirmative than "Maybe. I don't know....Wait. Did you say "seem"?...I guess not, no."

But even that would be stretching it. Those terms are really just too relentlessly unrelatable not to demand the answer "No." And if there's any way of getting around that, I can't think of it.

...

I guess that one rule of thumb might be that if the answer to the question:

"Would you have any qualms about leaving a small child alone with this person for twenty minutes while you went to the store?"

is "yes," then the answer to the question:

""Does this person seem capable of committing an impersonal act of mass violence for no particular reason at all?"

has to be "I don't know him well enough to say."

I've been in this jail back when I was 21, for a night and for a DUI. I know its layout and I studied the ways in which they house people in the GP. It's a quad, almost panopticon style with guards consistently above you and all the rest. They even turn on ear piercing alarms just to harass everyone in the quad you are in. Unless Holmes was housed in some extra special unit, there is definite chance this story is true. Yet this captain doesn't go on to explain whether or not Holmes got the "extra special unit" unknown to people that have spent the night there. From what I know, this captain's tale is full of shit as I have seen the passive abuse they dole out there. Like in the middle of the day, before I got bailed out, they just say "we're going into lockdown". I'm all looking around going "what?" Answer was "oh yeah, they do that". Then you go to your cell and get locked in until they decide to open the doors again. It's awful.

I'm sorry. Also, you've convinced me that they probably did have some contact/communication.

[LilyPatToo]

But Unruh insists the sporadic conversation continued even after Holmes was moved to another cell in the area. He says that Holmes told him "he felt like he was in a video game" during the shooting, that "he wasn't on his meds" and "nobody would help him." He says Holmes also mentioned NLP -- presumably, neuro-linguistic programming, a much-scorned and outmoded approach to psychotherapy -- and claimed to have been "programmed" to kill by an evil therapist.

"When he got out to his car, he wasn't programmed no more," Unruh says. "It sounded kind of crazy. He was trying to run it by me, basically."

A ploy? Or was there an actual "evil therapist" experimenting on him? I'm aware of the problems with this witness' story, but I find it odd that if he made up the conversation with Holmes he would have included a reference to mind control programming.

LilyPat

[compared2what?]

A ploy? Or was there an actual "evil therapist" experimenting on him? I'm aware of the problems with this witness' story, but I find it odd that if he made up the conversation with Holmes he would have included a reference to mind control programming.

LilyPat

It's not a rule-out, certainly.

But since stories to that effect have been on the first page of search results for the name "James Holmes" since the day of the shootings, I don't see how it could really be a rule-in, either, in this case.

[LilyPatToo]

Agreed. Though I've not followed the case very closely, this is the first time I've seen a claim that Holmes himself (allegedly) brought up the MC angle. Might be mistaken and if so, I hope people will post links to any other mentions by him of having been programmed. The other inmate who reported the conversation seemed to me to be implying that he saw it as a "run through" to see how the idea would float. Which might mean it was fiction from start to finish. Or perhaps that Holmes was aware of how "far out" it sounded...

LilyPat

[compared2what?]

Agreed. Though I've not followed the case very closely, this is the first time I've seen a claim that Holmes himself (allegedly) brought up the MC angle. Might be mistaken and if so, I hope people will post links to any other mentions by him of having been programmed. The other inmate who reported the conversation seemed to me to be implying that he saw it as a "run through" to see how the idea would float. Which might mean it was fiction from start to finish. Or perhaps that Holmes was aware of how "far out" it sounded...

LilyPat

I totally agree that it's a whole other story if/when he says it.

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You know, from that point of view, Unruh's more of a hindrance than a help. Though. That phone-number thing, for example. Since it's not an essential detail, it's basically just a free, bonus doubt-raiser. But wait! That's part of what you were saying in the first place, isn't it?

Sorry. I'm not too swift.

One just kind of has to hope that Holmes doesn't have internet access, I guess.

[Freitag]

Enquirer:

‘BAT’ KILLER’S INCREDIBLE CONFESSION

Bat-Psycho JAMES HOLMES claims therapist drove him to massacre midnight moviegoers.

IN a bombshell twist, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that the cowardly “Batman” killer James Holmes is now blaming his therapist for spark­ing his horrific killing spree at a Colorado movie theater!

The 24-year-old psycho – who’s so deranged that he’s repeatedly tried to kill himself – makes the ridiculous claim that his shrink programmed him to spray the theater with bullets, killing 12 people and injuring 58 more, a jail insider with a deep knowledge of Holmes’ four months in lockdown told The ENQUIRER.

“Holmes said he initially went into the theater for the sole purpose of finding his therapist, who he believed would be waiting there for him,” the insider revealed.

“While he said he was programmed to commit a shooting spree, he wasn’t exactly sure if he was supposed to do it on that particular night.

“But once he got inside the theater, Holmes claimed that he heard something in the movie’s musical score that told him it was time to shoot certain people, though not everyone.”

According to authorities, the demented grad school washout bought a ticket for the midnight showing of “The Dark Knight Rises” at the Century 16 theater in Aurora on July 20, took a seat and then walked out through an emergency exit 30 minutes later.

The murderous lunatic dressed in black tactical gear, put on a gas mask and retrieved his weapons. Then he re-entered the theater through the emergency exit, threw down gas canisters and opened fire, say the authorities.

Holmes initially blasted away with a shotgun and then switched to a high-capacity assault rifle.

When the rifle jammed, the heartless fiend drew a handgun and continued to spray the theater with bullets as panic-stricken movie-goers raced for the exits, the authorities allege.

On his first night behind bars at the Arapahoe County Jail, Holmes – a former University of Colorado graduate student in neuroscience – desperately tried to kill himself, according to the insider. “The nutcase was ramming his head and body into the walls, and wailing on impact like a caged wild animal,” said the source.

Holmes talked to an inmate in an adjoining cell through a ventilation pipe and recounted in perverse detail how he killed his first victim, the source added.

“Incredibly, Holmes said he didn’t mean to shoot that particular person but was too amped up on adrenaline to take good aim,” said the source.

“He showed no emotion in describing how the bullet hit the victim in the eye, and it exploded like glass. And he didn’t even wince as he recalled seeing brain matter splatter on the people sitting directly behind the person. After that, he said everything was just a blur.”

The monster has been caged ever since that fateful night, and has tried to kill himself several times. On Nov. 13 he was taken to a Denver-area hospital after repeatedly bashing his head into the walls of his cell, resulting in the postponement of a Nov. 15 court hearing. “Holmes knows he’s a marked man in jail,” said the source. “He lives in constant fear that other inmates will retaliate for his actions. It’s only a matter of time until someone hurts or kills him – unless he manages to kill himself first.”

[happenstance]

Aurora, Colorado: A gunman killed 3 or 4 hostages before being shot by police

http://www.examiner.com/article/aurora- ... -by-police

[elfismiles]

Okay, so WHY does LIBOR keep getting linked (first by Sorcha Faal) to this (and other) shootings?

Marine Links Obama Libor-Funded Private Prisons to Sister’s Joker Contract Hit
http://www.abeldanger.net/2012/07/marin ... ivate.html

That's a blog by Field McConnell whom I think started posting around here before getting banned for his anti-gay/lesbian rants (if I remember correctly).

And what's with the KeyWordHighjacking hijinx of the real reliable information sources / data points (Press For Truth, Memory Hole, Abel Danger):

911-PFT KWH?
viewtopic.php?t=28146&p=335652

MemoryHoleBlog.com vs TheMemoryHole.org
James F. Tracy, “Analyzing the Newtown Narrative: Sandy Hook’s Disappearing Shooter Suspects,” Memoryholeblog.com, December 20, 2012.

911 Able Danger vs Abel Danger