Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[MacCruiskeen]

[stickdog99]

"A lot of". Yeah, right. And you had posted that link before, Burnt Hill. Did you count the blacked-out bits? I lost count very quickly.

- christ, this is hard work. The news, from the FBI itself, that the FBI will identify, pursue and silence anyone who even ***attempts*** to acquire information is just assiduously ignored.

Yep a lot of black outs, and a lot of interesting information too.

Like what?

[identity]

I'd laugh more, but your mission to make people exactly as fucking crazy as you are is not actually that funny on second thought. Aside from the occasional times when your infinitely-cynical broken clock is right and you wind up asking good questions, you are a fucking menace to the mental well-being of however many understandably paranoid but still gullible members and lurkers take your aggressive, demented dogshit seriously.

It's amateur psychology day again, hot damn.

Enjoy the week off; somehow I suspect most of us, myself included, would enjoy and benefit from seven days break from the Abyss Gazer Forum.

An overall focus on ideas & evidence over the personal character of those we share the watering hole with -- not a bad thing, right?

Jeezus, that "gifted vacation" took long enough to be bestowed! Hope we can all count on you next time The Base One ejaculates his nonsense all over our esteemed colleagues here.

[Iamwhomiam]

Yes, that applies to all of you, no matter whom you am.

Can't help but notice your poor grammar. But then, perhaps you are referring to one of our two members whose screen names end with "am."

Adding pages to my FBI file is like adding friends on facebook, so I put in my request under the freedom of information law. If only I knew who else responded, besides Orlando PD, I could have asked others.

Hence the terror and rage so evident throughout this thread whenever the Authorities' transparently mendacious statements were even questioned.

The only terrorist in this thread has been you Mac, your rage near historic, and all because we might not agree with you. You come close to calling members here trolls, working in conjunction with the shadow government that you feel creates all these mass murders.

Let's, for example, look to your source for the FBI's attempt to turn Mateen for whatever purpose, shall we. This is convincing evidence to you that, there's some truth to that allegation:

FBI Tried to Lure Orlando Shooter into a Terror Plot in 2013

<snip>

In an exclusive interview published June 15, Sheriff Ken Mascara of Florida’s St. Lucie County told the Vero Beach Press Journal that the FBI dispatched an informant to "lure Omar into some kind of act" but he "did not bite."

The plan, Mascara said, came after Mateen had threatened a courthouse deputy by saying he could order al-Qaida operatives to kill his family.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/FBI-Tried-to-Lure-Orlando-Shooter-into-a-Terror-Plot-in-2013-20160619-0022.html

The Vero Beach Press Journal is owned by http://www.tcpalm.com and it does not have its own independent website
.
But for you, this is evidence that the FBI did in fact co-opt Mateen, which oddly and allegedly came from the lips of Mascara, who also said this:



Teh "terrorists" that have been stung by the FBI were all set up by them and all were arrested before harm could come to anyone. No harm could come to anyone anyway, because none of their explosive devices were operable.

http://www.projectsalam.org/

Those that have killed I tend to believe acted on their own, though I have grave doubts about the Marathon bombing being uninstigated. Perhaps they were patsies, or just misguided and angry young Muslims outraged and frustrated by our endless aggression towards their peoples. I do not know. I cannot learn the truth of the matter any more than I can about who and what caused the twin towers to collapse.

I like chocolate and you like vanilla, so hate me, call me a liar and dishonest.

I still love you, you grouchy Scot!

[Burnt Hill]

"A lot of". Yeah, right. And you had posted that link before, Burnt Hill. Did you count the blacked-out bits? I lost count very quickly.

- christ, this is hard work. The news, from the FBI itself, that the FBI will identify, pursue and silence anyone who even ***attempts*** to acquire information is just assiduously ignored.

Yep a lot of black outs, and a lot of interesting information too.

Like what?

Over 500 pages of official documentation in regards to the Pulse nightclub and the event,
from the Orlando PD, FD, Code Enforcement and FD inspection records, .
There is plenty of interesting info.
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.
Its just information, take it as you wish.

[Burnt Hill]

"A lot of". Yeah, right. And you had posted that link before, Burnt Hill. Did you count the blacked-out bits? I lost count very quickly.

- christ, this is hard work. The news, from the FBI itself, that the FBI will identify, pursue and silence anyone who even ***attempts*** to acquire information is just assiduously ignored.

Yep a lot of black outs, and a lot of interesting information too.

Like what?

Over 500 pages of official documentation in regards to the Pulse nightclub and the event,
from the Orlando PD, FD, Code Enforcement and FD inspection records, .
There is plenty of interesting info.
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.
Its just information, take it as you wish.

* And I am pretty sure it has not been posted before.

[stickdog99]

"A lot of". Yeah, right. And you had posted that link before, Burnt Hill. Did you count the blacked-out bits? I lost count very quickly.

- christ, this is hard work. The news, from the FBI itself, that the FBI will identify, pursue and silence anyone who even ***attempts*** to acquire information is just assiduously ignored.

Yep a lot of black outs, and a lot of interesting information too.

Like what?

Over 500 pages of official documentation in regards to the Pulse nightclub and the event,
from the Orlando PD, FD, Code Enforcement and FD inspection records, .
There is plenty of interesting info.
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.
Its just information, take it as you wish.

You said a lot of it was interesting. Like what? Do you have any examples of anything that was released that you find interesting? It's just a question. It's not a challenge. I am not here to scare away young people.

[Burnt Hill]

Evaluating the timeline of events, Napolitanos conjecture, assessing the other "blocked exit" claim, coordinating the responses of the PD and FD, with each other and media reports.
Again, its just information, and I am not suggesting it proves or validates anything.
And I am not suggesting I have read it all either, what I have read is interesting, can't that be enough?

* I guess just being questioned why I would claim something was "interesting" feels like a challenge.
That and the overall tone of the thread.
Most new information I find on any subject would be interesting to me, whether I agreed with it or not.
Its okay if it is of no interest to you!

[82_28]

Yeah, never heard back from RT. Would be too much of a hot potato I reckon or they don't got shit. I tried though.

[MacCruiskeen]

Burnt Hill, you claimed, repeatedly:

1. That the live police feeds were available to anyone who wanted them.

2. That the families had been given the autopsy reports.

Neither of these things are true. When this was pointed out to you, you didn't explain, you didn't apologise for getting it wrong, or for telling untruths, or for spreading disinfo about a mass murder, or for wasting other posters' time, no: you just slunk away and said nothing more about it.

Now you claim:

3.

Yep a lot of black outs, and a lot of interesting information too.

"A lot." Sic. It then takes two (2) further polite requests from stickdog99 asking you to say exactly what it is that you found interesting in those heavily blacked-out written records and you finally, resentfully, eventually, reluctantly, come up with.... next to nothing.

I am not suggesting I have read it all either

Quite. But you were taking pains to give the impression that you had. I am suggesting you had barely even glanced at it until challenged by stickdog to name any really "interesting information" in it at all (a task beyond anyone's powers, admittedly).

And then you pretend to wonder that "the tone of this thread" (you mean my tone, so you really should say it) is a little testy.

[LolaB]

And then there's this:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-transcript-shows-nobody-died-in-orlando-shooting-until-swat-teams-entered-the-building-judge-napolitano/5533563

FBI Transcript Shows Nobody Died in Orlando Shooting Until SWAT Teams Entered the Building: Judge Napolitano

What should have been front page news everywhere, somehow got buried amid the official narrative we were given about the Orlando shooting.

Judge Andrew Napolitano told FOX News that an FBI transcript indicated that no one died until 05:13am Sunday morning when the police SWAT teams entered the building.

“Here’s what is news in the summary – nobody died until 05:13 in the morning, when the SWAT team entered. Prior to that no one had been killed. The 53 that were injured, and the 49 that were murdered all met their fates at the time of, and during, the police entry into the building,” Judge Napolitano said.

[JackRiddler]

I don't really want to get involved in this but as reproduced with this "story," the FBI "transcript" (memorandum, timeline, whatever) suggests nothing whatsoever about who died when. According to the single page, an unspecified number of shots are fired starting at 2:02 am when the shooter entered (or a bit earlier, presumably, since 2:02 is the time for shots reported fired). Then there is an "engagement" with entering cops at 2:09 (suggesting more shots, though the word is not used). Finally there are more shots when the SWAT team enters after 5 am. That leaves enough room for hundreds of shots starting at 2:02. This document does not say when anyone died (except the shooter, indirectly) and offers no basis for the interpretation by Napolitano, who is a highly dubious character. And I'm sad that this is the kind of thing that Global Research (a site I haven't looked at in years but thought was interesting a long time ago) does nowadays.

[stickdog99]

I don't really want to get involved in this but as reproduced with this "story," the FBI "transcript" (memorandum, timeline, whatever) suggests nothing whatsoever about who died when. According to the single page, an unspecified number of shots are fired starting at 2:02 am when the shooter entered (or a bit earlier, presumably, since 2:02 is the time for shots reported fired). Then there is an "engagement" with entering cops at 2:09 (suggesting more shots, though the word is not used). Finally there are more shots when the SWAT team enters after 5 am. That leaves enough room for hundreds of shots starting at 2:02. This document does not say when anyone died (except the shooter, indirectly) and offers no basis for the interpretation by Napolitano, who is a highly dubious character. And I'm sad that this is the kind of thing that Global Research (a site I haven't looked at in years but thought was interesting a long time ago) does nowadays.

Agreed. What Napolitano said would have been a bombshell had an officially released timeline actually made any such claim. However, either the judge has access to his own "official" documents that none of the rest of us are privy to or else he was talking out of his ass.

I'll go with the latter.

[Grizzly]

Contempt prior to investigation, and all that...

https://www.reddit.com/r/JudgeNapolitano/

[JackRiddler]

Sure, tell yourself that. Or follow the link to the Global Research page with the FBI document on it, and investigate: Does it say what Napolitano claims it says?