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JD wrote:We can't supply continued growth forever, finite resource. This is simply another way of saying Hubbert's Peak.
This is such a simple concept, how come the wing nuts can't get it?
My fear is that we have more carbon buried in the earth to burn than is wise or healthy to do (it did take millions of years for the earth romove it from the cycle we need for breatheable air)
I apologise, stickdog99, i confused you with poster Osculum Infame who has been much busier pushing the 'its a hoax' line, tho you haven't been entirely idlestickdog99 wrote:What? What are you talking about? Would you care to supply any evidence of those charges? Have you been reduced to nothing but spurious personal attacks?
This thread had nothing to do with with how Oil Companies manipulate supply and demand to their own advantage. Just had a request for the obviously non existant proof that peak Oil is a hoax.
You obviously haven't read JDs posts on the spiralling costs of oil extraction, go try rent a truck in Alberta Canada to get a picture of the cost inflation that oil industry faces. Thats cos, surprise surprise, oil compnies consume a fair bit of oil and other resources, and the rising cost of all is making extraction more expensive.stickdog99 wrote:The bottom line is that nobody has any clue when Peak Oil will come because its very definition depends on the price people are willing to pay for oil before getting serious about conservation and energy alternatives. If people are willing to pay $80 a barrel, suddenly South America and Canada have a shitload of oil. If people are willing to pay $100 a barrel, suddenly the technical difficulties of deep ocean drilling aren't dissuasive. By the time we get to $120 a barrel all sorts of alternatives (like solar, wind, water, growing hemp, growing microbes, converting garbage, etc.) become extremely viable, using nothing more advanced than current technology.
stickdog wrote:Furthermore, this entire thread has been a transparent exercise in biased framing. See: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=10446
You obviously haven't read JDs posts on the spiralling costs of oil extraction, go try rent a truck in Alberta Canada to get a picture of the cost inflation that oil industry faces. Thats cos, surprise surprise, oil compnies consume a fair bit of oil and other resources, and the rising cost of all is making extraction more expensive.
Your alternatives are irrelevant to when oil extraction will peak (not being oil, duh!), but its worth noting that global output of all of them couldn't supply even Australian demand, and thats after five years of rising prices. Theres lots more interesting stuff on the net energy problems of many of the alternatives, but you keep us in the 'its a Big Oil plot' sandpit. *sigh*
Your view that 'nobody has any clue' is obviously not shared by the US EIA, USGS, the IEA, CERA, IHS, and the many other government, corporate and independant sources who produce studies on when the peak will happen. Maybe you should let them know of your insight? Laughing
Poisoning the well, the last resort of a concienceless loser.
You say peak oil is a hoax. I asked you to prove it, or at least describe the workings of the hoax. You write dozens of posts, answer NONE of my questions, and now YOU say its not fair? You are a spoiler and a drizzler, adding no light and making no honest contribution. If you want to 'take your bat and go home', i'll lend you bus fare, just so the sincerely interested can get on with a real discussion.
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