One Giant Leap ... for Conspiramedia?

[rusty shackleford]

Don't be alarmed, this is not a hijacking, I just want to add that the last two posts in this thread are directly related to the point of the TBL thread. The point being that all of this was planned long ago, and it's still running to the script.

We can discuss how this relates to TBL in that thread. And now, back to you, AJ.

[Col. Quisp]

this blogger claims Jones is a scientologist. "Prison planet' is a LRH term....

probably just another crackpot blogger...but another post has a link to some FEMA coffins in Georgia.

http://pigs-in-the-parlor.blogspot.com/2009/01/500000-coffins-land-info-coincidence.html

[8bitagent]

Here's one of thousands of comments from the webs today

That is B. S. !!

I still have the original version up on my computer screen, and that new disclaimer is not there!! They let the story stand for at least an hour, and they let me fire off a group email quoting the interview and providing a link, and then they edited it!!

Now, we "truthers" will look stupid to the uninformed we are trying to reach!!

I created an email to the people I have been trying to reach, and now when they follow the link, they will see a work of fiction!

9/11 Truth(tm) has been a joke since 2004, and it's kind of apro po
Joker Jones has gone off the deep end clowning the few people left who listens to his show. I guess he still has the "gub'ment gunna take muh gunz!" crowd still.

[compared2what?]

this blogger claims Jones is a scientologist. "Prison planet' is a LRH term....

probably just another crackpot blogger...but another post has a link to some FEMA coffins in Georgia.

http://pigs-in-the-parlor.blogspot.com/2009/01/500000-coffins-land-info-coincidence.html

I've wondered about that myself. And even asked about it here, once, I believe. I guess my feeling is that the "prison planet" thing is common-parlance-y enough that you can't really hang your hat on it. Even with a litigious organization, it'd be hard to make a trademark claim for that, even if it was in fact trademarked. I think I'll go check if it is!

And also find the thread where I asked, to return with link. Because even though I didn't have much basis for asking, IIRC...I don't know. Gut then said and still does say that it has a feeling. However, not so strong that I've ever done more than once ask here. In short: That doesn't mean jack, really. Other than that I have a question, for some reason. Or no reason. I don't know which.

Be right back.

[compared2what?]

This was my inquiry back from this thread here, where other people speak up and stuff.

Post subject: Alex Jones and Scientology?

Has the possibility of this connection ever been discussed on these forums?

I see reasonable grounds to ask the question, but can't find anyplace asking it that doesn't basically use the same data for proof that they used for hypothesis.

Or that mentions that the link (if there is one) puts him one degree of separation away from NEIL BUSH.

The concise linkage is: Alex Jones promotes Dr. John Breeding, whose book quotes L. Ron, and whose organization, Texans for Safe Education is (as far as I can tell) a dba of Parents for Label and Drug Free Education, aka ablechild.org, which links to, among others CCHR and H.E.L.P. -- as well as the Doc Breedings site and to Ignite!, the company Silverado Neil started in order to sell insanely expensive, intelligence-insulting educational aids. (Which kind of stands out on the links page -- all the others are either nonprofit or individual anti-meds advocates, or obviously compatible with them.)

I raise this now mainly because I was under the impression that Breeding's ties to CoS were that he had written for Freedom Magazine, received an award from a Scientology affiliate, etc., since that's what's been previously reported. It was only after seeing the reference to TSFE as an ablechild.org affiliate, and not finding any sign of TSFE as a freestanding entity that it occurred to me that he himself might be a front, rather than merely a friend with a common cause.

If the link is illusory because there's no separation, rather than because there's no connection -- and either could be the case -- what, if any, do y'all think are the implications for Jones?

The only quasi-supporting evidence I know of is that he has a site named "Prison Planet." But while it's true that it's an L. Ron phrase, and doctrinally so fundamental that if there were a Scientological equivalent to the Nicene Creed, it would probably include the sentence, "I believe that earth is a prison planet".....Well. It's not such a unique and original metaphor that it mightn't be coincidence.

FWIW, around 1994, there was a D.C.-based CoS PR officer named Alex Jones, who was the church's voice during the bickering that ensued when they threw White Supremacist/Holocaust denier Willis Carto (and former friend of CoS) under the bus after regaining exempt status.

But it's a common name, and I don't know what the Austin-based Alex Jones was doing then, or what the D.C.-based Alex Jones is doing now. Plus, if Wikipedia is correct, Bullhorn Alex would only have been about twenty years old at the time that Holocaust-denier-denying Alex was floating across the public record as it's preserved online today.

He certainly doesn't look a day under 34.

Thoughts?

[erosoplier]

He's got the right IQ to be a scientologist.

[8bitagent]

FWIW, around 1994, there was a D.C.-based CoS PR officer named Alex Jones, who was the church's voice during the bickering that ensued when they threw White Supremacist/Holocaust denier Willis Carto (and former friend of CoS) under the bus after regaining exempt status.

But it's a common name, and I don't know what the Austin-based Alex Jones was doing then, or what the D.C.-based Alex Jones is doing now. Plus, if Wikipedia is correct, Bullhorn Alex would only have been about twenty years old at the time that Holocaust-denier-denying Alex was floating across the public record as it's preserved online today.

He certainly doesn't look a day under 34.

Thoughts?

I was shocked to learn a few years ago Alex Jones is about my age. He just has always looked and sounded a bit older. Though, he looks incredibly different in his debut 1997 "documentary" about the UN than he does a few short laters "infiltrating" Bohemian Grove

One thing thats never been positively answered, is whether
Alex Jones' GCN Genesis Network is the same Genesis Network that
Adnan Kosshoggi formed...the notorious arms runner-Iran Contra-Jackie O former lover-deep state operative-terror financier of the deep state.

I've never really heard anything Scientology-ish, unless a very reactionate hatred of vaccines and medication counts. I just thought Alex Jones was a Jesus freak:)

[compared2what?]

I was shocked to learn a few years ago Alex Jones is about my age.

I assume that's not his real age, but rather what I think of as someone's Hollywood age. Although it actually applies to all public figures, just about. They're very, very busy and can't be expected to keep track of everything. So they lose a few years every now and then. Is that a crime?



FWIW, I really do assume "+ 2 to 5" for anyone who does film or television a lot, just as a general rule. It's a reasonable assumption.

[seemslikeadream]

Alex Jones Interview with Charlie Sheen At His House 1/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuUgcAyIj4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6pl4wp77lA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ3zrGs_dxw

[marshwren]

[quote="compared2whatOr the forged documents to Dan Rather.[/url][/quote]

There's not any very persuasive reason to think that they were forged. Or that they weren't. The only thing you can say with certainty about the authenticity of those documents is that it's not ascertainable because they were copies rather than originals. Which is exactly what the linked article does say, as a matter of fact. It just says it in an extra-Byzantine way. Which might be an interesting augury wrt to what CBS is going to have to admit to under oath, albeit as far on the whispy side of "might be" as it's possible to go without just crossing over into totally arbitrary speculation.


Which is not to say either that they mightn't have come from GOP operatives, or that they were authentic. There's no conclusive evidence on either of those points. (As far as I'm aware, there's no evidence at all on the first one, but it's sure as hell possible.)

[/quote]

Oh, these documents are "genuine forgeries" alright, and were shuttled to CBS by one of the slimier of GOP dirty tricksters (Roger Stone, who got his start as one of Donald Segretti's 'rat fuckers' in '72 and crowned his career by staging the infamous "Brooks Bros. riots" in Miami-Dade in E2K--an event he now regrets given what resulted from it).

As for the docs: (this is from memory--too early to start googling) The personal sec. to Junior's unit-commanding general made several claims about the material given to CBS: first, she never typed them (and she would have been the only person who would have). Second, the language (syntax, sentence structure, wording, etc) were radically different from how her boss actually spoke or gave dictation. These points were brow-beaten into the public consciousness by the M$M until CBS/Rather were totally discredited. But there was a third thing she said--which wasn't reported by the M$M at all: that the CONTENT of the docs (Bush was an AWOL slacker w/discipline--among other--problems; his CO wanted him transfered out of his unit, dismissed from the service altogether, or brought up on charges) were 110% accurate and true.

Junior's handlers knew the original docs. were toxic and couldn't be hidden forever. So they went pre-emptive by retyping them with obvious errors that could become the focus of the 'controversy' rather than the actual facts--in effect, they repackaged the truth as a lie, and got CBS to buy it (either literally or figuratively). And having Stone's greasy fingerprints all over them (as factorum between the Bush campaign and CBS) seals the deal for me (i've followed his career from its inception, as we're both Jersey boys of the same age--i have a vague recollection of having met him once, before he became famous).

[elfismiles]

I was shocked to learn a few years ago Alex Jones is about my age. He just has always looked and sounded a bit older. Though, he looks incredibly different in his debut 1997 "documentary" about the UN than he does a few short laters "infiltrating" Bohemian Grove

One thing thats never been positively answered, is whether
Alex Jones' GCN Genesis Network is the same Genesis Network that
Adnan Kosshoggi formed...the notorious arms runner-Iran Contra-Jackie O former lover-deep state operative-terror financier of the deep state.

I've never really heard anything Scientology-ish, unless a very reactionate hatred of vaccines and medication counts. I just thought Alex Jones was a Jesus freak:)

Jones has outright denied this and it is my understanding that GCN was an outgrowth of another network founded by John Statdmiller of RBN Republic Broadcasting Network.

It was Daniel Hopsicker, afaik, who first insinuated that rumor, simply on the basis of Kashoggi often using the term Genesis.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Genesis+Network+Kashoggi

Cointelpro 9.11 pt III: Khashoggi, Cults, Cover-ups & Mars & Venus Doing Lunch

The story of the auto thief from Cleveland who discovered 39 dead bodies in Rancho Santa Fe Ca. in March of 1997 in the Heaven’s Gate cult mass suicide is a reflection in a fun house mirror of America's secret history of freakish cults, financial fraud, and the occasional member of the Rockefeller family, all of which helped make possible today's 9.11 cover-up

October 13 2004-Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

<snip>

“The proof is in the patterns! And so are the trading profits!”

The "Saudi Genesis" companies specialized in marketing to the masses, through infomercials and on the internet. Everything from Plastic Surgeons Crème to ab-energizers to fraudulent get rich quick schemes like “Trade Your Way to Riches,” created after Ramy El-Batrawi of Genesis approached Jake Bernstein at a seminar in Burbank, California about the possibility of marketing Bernstein's futures trading products through the creation of an infomercial.

Jake Bernstein billed himself as the world's foremost authority on pattern recognition and cycles and author of over 25 trading books. (He must be pretty good at recognizing when its time to leave town, at least, cause he hasn't gone to prison recently.( Bernstein website ) "Jake found an easier way to get rich. Instead of trading futures he would trade on investor gullibility," wrote a whistleblower.

Bernstein starred in an infomercial that aired on 400 TV stations, hyping a video course called Trade Your Way to Riches. A farmer named Harold Henkel told viewers how well Bernstein's approach has worked for him.

Henkel later admitted he lost money trading using Bernstein's products. We hope his “endorsement fee” made up for it.

Critics were unkind to Jake. “There's one born every minute. Seasonal Suckers is the cold truth about Jake Bernstein's futures theories.”

"Jake Bernstein has a lousy record trading futures but has made plenty trading on investor gullibility"

The boys at Genesis Intermedia made out like bandits.


The C’mon Back Scandal Revisited

And then there's the Genesis Communications Network. There's actually two of them, seemingly unrelated, but they're so extremely similar in the fraud department to each other and to "Saudi Genesis" that the relationship appears strongly familial. We're still uncertain as to how close they all are; kissing cousins, at the very least.

The first GCN is a so-called "patriot" network hosting Alex Jones and Dave Van Kliest, the, ah, the individual fronting for the latest See the Flash extravaganza, advertisements for which are spamming the Internet at a rate that must be causing concern among conservationists of our digital landscape of '1's and ' 0's.'

VanKliest is our pick for Disinfotainer of the Year… an especial honor, considering that there was some fierce competition. Of course, "See the Flash Dave" from the powerhour, like Alex Jones, is part of the GENESIS Communications Network. ( gcnlive.com ) ( genesis radio hosts )

He reminds us of Tattoo from Fantasy Island, pointing and shouting “De Plane! De Plane!”

When we fingered this checkered crew in last week's story for involvement in what we termed the “C’mon back scandal,” we hadn't meant it literally... So we clearly underestimated them, because they’re not above personally getting behind the wheel when the opportunity arises to “to back up a truck.”

They're involved in an internecine scandal, documented on the web at some length by “Christians” for whom time must hang heavy during the long Montana winter... "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15," their screed began.

“Christian Media has repeatedly sought to expose the treachery at the Genesis Communications Network…They stole their original equipment from another patriot network named Republic Radio. Fraudulently claiming they had purchased the network, the management of Genesis literally backed up a U-Haul, and loaded up the broadcasting equipment while the rightful owner was out of town!”

http://www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html

The 'Genesis' of the Adnan Khashoggi Wing of the 9-11 Truth Movement (infiltration)
author: hopsicker with commentary

This is an interesting assortment how many of the false 9-11 truthers like Ruppert (and surprisingly, Barry Zwicker gets later caught up in John Gray money ("Men are from Mars" book ), and John Gray money and his book's popularity came from international drug lord Kashoggi's operations). Thus below is a summary of the twisted tale of the "Genesis" of the infiltrated side of the 9-11 Truth Movement, the Genesis named operations in a convoluted money trail of Adnan Kashoggi. Kashoggi's organizations have simultaneously taken to hawking "anything that needed to be hawked" for psyop purposes from John Gray's "Men are From Mars" books (with its Kashoggi connections), to perhaps (...Hopsicker leaves this open, though it would make intuitive sense for the 'genesis' of this branch of hawking as well) various other PGI Corporation connections to Ruppert ("perhaps the largest tax fraud scam in U.S. history"), to, of all things, the Hale Bopp Comet Cult itself--keyed off by 'false reportage' of the same 'Genesis' connected network off Kashoggi. Second, there is interesting information on the SAN DIEGO and TAMPA aspects of the false flaggers--which had Kashoggi networks around them as well as traitorous FBI networks as well in San Diego, according to the FBI Investigation of itself!

The main theme is the implanted artificial culture industry and its main vehicle--under Kashoggi networks? With a different 'subsidiary' for each operation, each named "Genesis" Something? Read on. "...let's begin our journey with a visit to the psy-ops murk of 'Saudi Genesis'."

Saudi CIA drug lord/businessman Kashoggi--money front 9-11 truth infiltration
Nick Matzorkis: once auto thief, discovered/hired/found dead Hale Bopp Cult,...
...into multiple corporate partner with 9-11 Insider Nicholas Rockefeller
originally a comment at Jeff Wells' "Rigorous Intituion 2.0" website: http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/10/just ... l#comments

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/348293.shtml

[psynapz]

It may be that Jones himself doesn't even know he's being used to delegitimize, distract, and defang the anti-war and 911 Truth movements.

It seems likely that he doesn't, but it can't be hard for him to make the connection between his show's distribution network GCN and its owner, Adnan Khashoggi, being an arms dealer with fingers in the CIA's Venice, FL drug smuggling pie that leads straight to 9/11 (which he never talks about, AFAIK).

How the fuck are we supposed to reconcile that? If Khashoggi is progressive enough to pay for high-class hookers before they marry former Beatles members and party out in international waters with Queen while trading in guns and drugs with the CIA, just what the fuck are we to make of his radio network and the shows it carries, particularly the Alex Jonestown Clown Hour?

[American Dream]

psynapz wrote:

If Khashoggi is progressive enough to pay for high-class hookers before they marry former Beatles members and party out in international waters with Queen while trading in guns and drugs with the CIA, just what the fuck are we to make of his radio network and the shows it carries, particularly the Alex Jonestown Clown Hour?

Huh???

Is there any good evidence at all to show that Khashogghi runs Alex Jones?

If so, where is it?

[n0x23]

Jesus H. Christ on a rubber crutch....There's more spin and censorship on the Prison Planet forum than on Faux "News"!

Ive posted no more than 10 times there and more than half of my post's have been deleted.

Last night I simply posted a poll thread asking these very non-offensive questions...

How Do You Feel About the Way the Sheen/ Jones Obama letter was Publicized?

1. I think it was a clever idea and I support it.

2. I was pissed at first, but now I understand the methodology and support it

3. I feel deceived and very disappointed.

4. I am reserving judgment to see how this plays out.

...after 10 minutes and 12 votes, including mine, is was just gone.

[psynapz]

Huh???

Is there any good evidence at all to show that Khashogghi runs Alex Jones?

If so, where is it?

He owns Genesis Communcations Network, does he not?