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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:26 pm

8bitagent wrote: I'm just curious how common these events were in past decades when the economy was also shaky


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...with “Cyberwar” getting a bored response from the body politic, we've got some product testing underway in 2012 and the “Lone Wolf” angle is a promising pitch.

Which is not to say the concept is something new: it predates Lee Harvey Oswald and James Earl Ray, tracing back to a mostly forgotten man named Andrew Kehoe. He was a Michigan native and local school board treasurer, a perfectly unremarkable man who killed 44 people on the morning of May 18th, 1927.

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There is seldom much value in the details of crimes like these, but what Andrew Kehoe did deserves scrutiny just the same. Like many spree killing incidents, it began with a domestic homicide when Kehoe woke up, killed his wife, and set fire to every building on his failing farm. This was not a psychotic break, but the beginning of a meticulous plan that hinged upon predicting the response of authorities and maximizing damage and fear. When the fire department and police responded to the housefires, Kehoe was detonating over six hundred pounds of explosives somewhere else. He had spent months slowly wiring inside the walls of nearly every room in the Bath Township elementary school, which was just starting their first classes of the day.

Fortunately, Kehoe was not an meticulous enough and the majority of the charges never went off. Despite that, the explosion killed dozens of children and teachers. In the aftermath, Kehoe drove his truck back to the scene and detonated the entire vehicle, which he had built into a massive shrapnel bomb. The next day, investigators pulling unused explosives and dead animals from the wreckage of Kehoe’s farm found a stenciled message on the perimeter fence: “CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN.” All this ten years prior to television sets becoming commercially available in the United States.

After the fires of Andrew Kehoe were finally out, the town of Bath demanded a grand jury inquisition to determine who was at fault. They concluded that “Kehoe conducted himself sanely and so concealed his operations that there was no cause to suspect any of his actions.”
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby lupercal » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:38 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote: The next day, investigators pulling unused explosives and dead animals from the wreckage of Kehoe’s farm found a stenciled message on the perimeter fence: “CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN.”


Interesting detail, hadn't heard it. When I looked into Bath a few years ago I was initially perplexed because it predated the OSS and CIA charters but I was never in the slightest doubt that it was a psy-op of some kind and Kehoe was a patsy. All the signs, and now this one, which you do realize can be read two ways, right?

Anyway I later learned that there were indeed several US "intelligence" operations afoot by the turn of the century, connected to the US Army, various police forces, and the oil companies, and while I never returned to the subject and can't say for sure exactly what the intended effect at Bath was, I have little doubt that some well-heeled concern used it to evade proceedings for some criminal behavior. It's a very old story.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:43 pm

Not going to post it here, but anyone super creeped out by the photo of the alleged perp? The photo looks like a pencil artists rendering of someone describing a grey alien.

Just strange as well that the two biggest stories/tragedies of the year would turn out to be named Sandy.

Btw, if there was an award for "tragically ironic picture of the year" it'd be this one

"Pakistani children light candles to pay tribute to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims in southern Pakistani port city of Karachi on Dec. 15, 2012. Pakistan has sent condolences to the United States over the shooting incident, local media reported Saturday."
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby justdrew » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:34 am

lupercal wrote:
justdrew wrote:this poor kid. he's been fucked with his whole life, officially labeled, drugged, called names and hated, 20 and he can't leave home, stuck with his crazy overbearing smothering mother. It's disgusting, obvious no one ever gave a damn about this kid. If he could have gotten away from home and found a life of his own, this wouldn't have happened.


I don't know drew, personally I'm confident that A L wasn't the shooter, and I wouldn't put much stock in the rest of the tale either. Apparently it was ginned up out of twitter feeds from neighbors hearing the news and such. They didn't have much contact with the family and the weirdo stuff seems a response to yesterday's news. Plus they need a lone nut so the nuttier they can paint the official perp the better. It wouldn't surprise me if he and his mother got along fine. We know they were comfortably taken care of by the dad.

The gun business is getting weird. Stories today say the victims were shot at close range with the Bushmaster rifle, which is a) grotesque and reminiscent of the Utoya shootings, and b) contradicts earlier stories that he used two handguns and left the Bushmaster in back of the car:

Adam Lanza Shot Victims at Close Range with Semi-Automatic Rifle
Source: ABC News
Multiple sources have told ABC News that Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle at close range to kill children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday.

Two handguns were also found at the scene, and a fourth weapon was found nearby. The weapons discovered at the school apparently belonged to a family member, possibly his mother, according to authorities.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/connectic ... d=17984499



yeah, well, I don't know, probably I'm assuming way too much, but time will tell. maybe. I too suspect we'll never learn much at all about what was going on in this person's life.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:40 am

Sandy Hook Elementary Victims' Names Released

December 15, 2012 4:32 PM

At a news conference Saturday afternoon, Connecticut's Chief Medical Examiner H. Wayne Carver II released a list of the victims in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. For full coverage of the day's developments, please refer to our rolling post on the aftermath of the attack.

Here are the victims' names and ages:

Charlotte Bacon, 6

Daniel Barden, 7

Rachel Davino, 29

Olivia Engel, 6

Josephine Gay, 7

Ana M Marquez-Greene, 6

Dylan Hockley, 6

Dawn Hocksprung, 47

Madeline F. Hsu, 6

Catherine V. Hubbard, 6

Chase Kowalski, 7

Jesse Lewis, 6

James Mattioli, 6

Grace McDonnell, 7

Anne Marie Murphy, 52

Emilie Parker, 6

Jack Pinto, 6

Noah Pozner, 6

Caroline Previdi, 6

Jessica Rekos, 6

Avielle Richman, 6

Lauren Russeau, 30*

Mary Sherlach, 56

Victoria Soto, 27

Benjamin Wheeler, 6

Allison N Wyatt, 6


*Some news organizations are spelling the victim's last name differently.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:50 am

Jesus, 20 six year olds. I still can't even wrap my mind around that. I was horrified in 2000 when I read about one six year old shot to death at school, shockingly by another student.
It definitely feels like the ante has been upped. When the heck have so many, essentially toddlers been massacred like this in America en masse? It's like the bottom fell out and it's just pure abyss now.
(Not saying psychos who shoot up workplaces or colleges are somehow better, but it's like...geez)

It's scary to think Beslan/Oslo shit is hitting here now.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:42 am

Yes, and according to the medical examiner many of these little babies were shot between 2 to 10 times apiece. Heaven have mercy on all of our souls.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:50 am

Guy fires 50 rounds in a mall parking lot in Orange county
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... panic?lite
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Project Willow » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:20 am

This guy's resume frightens me, but for what it's worth...

http://blog.oup.com/2012/09/seven-myths-of-mass-murder/

The seven myths of mass murder
Posted on Friday, September 28th, 2012 at 8:30 am SHARE:
By J. Reid Meloy, Ph.D.

For the past 15 years my colleagues and I have conducted research on mass murder, the intentional killing of three or more individuals, excluding the perpetrator, during one event. Recent cases of mass murder have pointed to misconceptions about this rare and frightening act, and I would like to shed some light on what I consider the seven myths of mass murder.

Myth 1: They “snap.”

Immediately following a mass murder, there is a steady stream of newspaper headlines and what I call “entertainment profilers” on television who proclaim that the individual “snapped.” There is no psychological term called snapping, but many assume that mass murder is done impulsively, with great emotion, and without planning or preparation. Almost all mass murders don’t fit this profile.

Research consistently shows that mass murderers research, plan, and prepare for their act of violence for days, weeks, and even months. The fantasy may have incubated in their minds for years, even though the time, place, and target had yet to be determined. The act usually occurs after a major loss in love or work, and this may “start the clock” wherein final detailed preparation begins. I have forensically evaluated a number of mass murderers in prison or forensic hospitals, and with few exceptions, there was no evidence of a high state of emotional arousal when the killings occurred. Witnesses who have survived mass murders invariably describe the shooter as cool, calm, and deliberate — a lack of emotion that is a corollary of planned violence.

Myth 2: They can easily be divided into “psychopaths, psychotics, and depressives”

David Cullen, the journalist and author of Columbine, an excellent book on the high school mass murder in Colorado in 1999, has asserted this formulation. Unfortunately, his diagnostic classification of mass murderers is much too simplistic. Most are complex in their motivations and psychopathology. They often have both mental and personality disorders.

Mental disorders range from chronic psychotic disturbances, such as paranoid schizophrenia diagnosed in the Jared Loughner case, to major depression, bipolar, and other disorders. This may sound like splitting hairs, but when it comes to risk mitigation, fully understanding the range and complexity of these individuals’ disturbances is critical.

Personality disorders also abound in this group and are often a mixture of antisocial, paranoid, narcissistic, and schizoid traits — or in layperson’s terms, someone who habitually engages in criminal behavior, is suspicious of others’ actions, is self-centered and grandiose with little empathy, and is chronically indifferent toward others and detached from his emotional life. What Cullen has done is a disservice to the millions of individuals who are clinically depressed or have a psychotic disorder and pose no more risk of violence to others than your neighbor. Loughner has given paranoid schizophrenia a bad name — many other factors contributed to his attempted assassination and mass murder.

Myth 3: Incidents of mass murder are increasing

When a mass murder occurs, it receives instant and pervasive news coverage. Unfortunately, we are prone to overestimate the frequency of an event by its prominence in our minds, and mass murder is no exception. This is a very rare phenomenon and is neither increasing nor decreasing in the US. Since 1976 there have been about 20 mass murders a year. 2003 was the most violent year for mass murder, with 30 incidents and 135 victims. Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, Edmund Oklahoma, and San Ysidro still resonate in the public consciousness, however, reminding us that these events do happen. A positive counterpoint is that rates of all violent crime have significantly decreased over this same time period, from 48 victims per 1000 persons in 1976 to 15 victims in 2010. The most lethal school mass murder in US history was in Bath, Michigan, in 1927, a bombing that resulted in 45 deaths, mostly children in the second to sixth grades.

Myth 4: Banning assault weapons will lower the frequency of mass murder

The most popular weapon chosen by mass murderers in the US is a 9 mm pistol, often a Glock. Usually they bring two or three firearms to the scene, and assault weapons such as the AR 15 or AK 47 are generally not utilized. Therefore it should come as no surprise that between 1994 and 2004, when the federal assault weapons ban was in effect, there was no decrease in the average number of mass murders per year in the US. However, guns do kill people. As a gun owner myself, and a believer in the Second Amendment, I find it appalling that virtually anyone can purchase a firearm with little effort, money, or time in the US. I believe that firearms ownership is a right that should have requirements: demonstrable competency in its use and mental stability.

Myth 5: Psychotic individuals cannot plan in a precise and methodical manner

The majority of adult mass murderers are psychotic, meaning they have broken with consensual reality and perceive the world in an idiosyncratic and often paranoid way. Yet they may research the internet for weapons, practice video games to sharpen their marksmanship, purchase weapons and ammunition, conduct surveillance of the target, and carry out their mass murder, all from within a delusion.

A delusion is a fixed and false belief and may provide a rock-solid motivation for mass murderers. Paradoxically, delusions may help them commit irrevocably to paths of homicidal destruction. Our research has also found that mass murderers who are psychotic have higher casualty rates than those who are not. Typically they select victims who are complete strangers, who in their minds make up a “pseudocommunity” of persecutors bent on their destruction.

Myth 6: It must be the drugs they are abusing

It is true that most quotidian violence involves drug use, particularly alcohol. In cases of spousal homicide, the victim, perpetrator, or both are often intoxicated at the time. In mass murder, however, drug use is minimal, whether alcohol or other illicit substances. We think this is because the mass murderer does not want drugs to cloud his consciousness at the time. They could interfere with his planning, preparation, and most importantly, his tactical goal, which is often to maximize his casualty rate. We even found two cases where the mass murderer utilized therapeutic amounts of sedating drugs to help him remain calm during the shooting.

Myth 7: Mass murder can be predicted and prevented

Unfortunately this will never happen given the simple fact that we cannot predict such an extremely rare event. If we attempt to do so, we will grossly over-predict its occurrence and perhaps infringe upon individual rights and freedoms. However, we can mitigate the risk of such events by paying attention to behaviors of concern. This stopped Richard Reid from bringing down an airplane over the Atlantic in December 2001, when a passenger noticed he was trying to light his sneaker with a match. It contributed to the prevention of another ideologically driven mass murder in Times Square on 1 May 2010 when two street vendors noticed a suspicious van parked on a busy corner and alerted the police; two days later Faisal Shahzad was arrested as he sat on a plane at Kennedy bound for Dubai. Such situational awareness is critical to interdict someone in the final stages of an attack.

But there is another warning behavior that is quite frequent: mass murderers will leak their intent to others — a phrase expressed to another, or posted on the internet, that raises concern. It may be overt: “I’m going to kill my supervisor and his cohorts tomorrow;” or it may be covert: “don’t come to work tomorrow, but watch the news.” The logical reaction should be to alert someone in a position of authority; however, most people don’t. It surfaces after the event, with the rationale, “I just didn’t think he was serious.” Trust your emotional reactions of anxiety, wariness, or fear, and let law enforcement investigate.

J. Reid Meloy, Ph.D. is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of California, San Diego, and President of Forensis, Inc., a nonprofit dedicated to forensic psychiatric and psychological research. He co-edited Stalking, Threatening, and Attacking Public Figures (OUP, 2008) with Lorraine Sheridan and Jens Hoffmann, and is currently co-editing another volume entitled International Handbook of Threat Assessment, which is scheduled to publish in 2013. Learn about his latest news by following Forensis on Twitter at @ForensisInc.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:29 am

Wait wait wait wait wait...on average 100,000 people are shot every year in America? And 30,000 a year are killed by guns? What?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/ame ... ?hpt=hp_c2

Holy goodness. Does any other developed nation have anything approaching this? Or are we just forever stuck with the "dang gabbit, we dun luv our guns, the gubment trying to take our guns!!!" people?


Anyways, I didnt know the principal and school's psychologist were also killed yesterday
Check out this story. a lot of odd stuff popping up
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/connec ... ?hpt=hp_t1

So it turns out his mom definitely was not a teacher at the school. The coroner said a lot of the wounds he saw seemed to come from a rifle.
The report says that the school locks all its doors at 9:30, but it was at approx 9:30 when the calls of distress came out, and minutes later 26 lay dead with "chilling efficiency".
They aren't sure when he came in. And again, all black/military vest.

Yeah, maybe it's just random cases of mentally isolated youth...but there sure seems to be a very uniform pattern to most of these cases, especially since 2007.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby blankly » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:39 am

"But there is another warning behavior that is quite frequent: mass murderers will leak their intent to others — a phrase expressed to another, or posted on the internet, that raises concern. It may be overt: “I’m going to kill my supervisor and his cohorts tomorrow;” or it may be covert: “don’t come to work tomorrow, but watch the news.” The logical reaction should be to alert someone in a position of authority; however, most people don’t. It surfaces after the event, with the rationale, “I just didn’t think he was serious.” Trust your emotional reactions of anxiety, wariness, or fear, and let law enforcement investigate."

Nowhere near that simple. Those who care for people who are unstable get used to being ignored by 'authority' when they raise concerns.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:01 am

Laodicean wrote:
Fuck Everything, Nation Reports

WASHINGTON—Following the fatal shooting this morning at a Connecticut elementary school that left at least 27 dead, including 20 small children, sources across the nation shook their heads, stifled a sob in their voices, and reported fuck everything. Just fuck it all to hell.

All of it, sources added.

“I’m sorry, but fuck it, I can’t handle this—I just can’t handle it anymore,” said Deborah McEllis, who added that “no, no, no, no, no, this isn’t happening, this can’t be real.” “Seriously, what the hell is this? What’s even going on anymore? Why do things like this keep happening?”

Continued McEllis, before covering her face with her hands, “Why?”

Despairing sources confirmed that the gunman, armed with a semiautomatic assault rifle—a fucking combat rifle, Jesus—walked into a classroom full of goddamned children where his mother was a teacher and, good God, if this is what the world is becoming, then how about we just pack it in and fucking give up, because this is no way to live.

I mean, honestly, all 315 million Americans confirmed.

“Well, I suppose we have to try to pick up the pieces and make some sort of sense of this tragedy and—you know what? Fuck it, I can’t do this,” said Connecticut resident Michael Zaleski, his remarks understandable given the circumstances, because, holy shit, what else can one say? “I’m sorry, but I can’t fucking do this. Can you? Can anyone?”

Witnesses said the gunman fired at least 100 rounds during his deadly rampage, which, according to children in the school—goddamnit, how? How? Twenty children. Dead. In a fucking school.

No. No, no, no.

“I just feel so [why does it even matter what this person said when no words can bring 20 dead kids back to life?]” said some person who, just like everyone else, is completely unable to process or handle any of this. “It’s awful. Just too awful to bear.”

Americans reported feelings of overwhelming disgust with whatever abhorrent bastard did this and with the world at large for ever allowing it to happen, as well as with politicians, with the NRA, and above all with their own pathetic goddamn selves, sitting in front of a fucking computer instead of doing fucking anything to help anyone—Christ, as if that were even fucking possible, as if anyone could change what happened, as if the same fucking bullshit isn’t going to keep happening again and again and fucking again before people finally decide it’s time to change the way we live, so what’s the point? What the hell is the goddamned point?

“I…” said Tom Miller, 27, after reading an article about the tragedy online. “I just…”

“…” he added.

At press time…screw it, there’s nothing else to say.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-e ... rts,30743/


This is the only sane response I've seen to this massacre so far.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:07 am

Project Willow wrote:You know how you can tell that a lot of folks around here have heart? Some troll pops in just to insult the hell out of everyone, but people try to reason with him anyway, speak to him as a human being. RI never did get trolls. :)


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Blue » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:31 am

Project Willow wrote:Myth 6: It must be the drugs they are abusing

It is true that most quotidian violence involves drug use, particularly alcohol. In cases of spousal homicide, the victim, perpetrator, or both are often intoxicated at the time. In mass murder, however, drug use is minimal, whether alcohol or other illicit substances. We think this is because the mass murderer does not want drugs to cloud his consciousness at the time. They could interfere with his planning, preparation, and most importantly, his tactical goal, which is often to maximize his casualty rate. We even found two cases where the mass murderer utilized therapeutic amounts of sedating drugs to help him remain calm during the shooting.



Once again with "illicit substances" as the only drugs mentioned when discussing mass murderers. In fact I've read where a few psychiatrists/psychologists are saying in effect the problem is that "these guys STOPPED taking their medication." The delusion that SRRI's are to be seen only as life-saving medication is disturbing. Just because thousands take the drugs and don't act out does not erase the well-documented side effects which are almost always in synch with the behavioral characteristics of these killers. And later it comes out they were all taking the drugs. Not too hard to connect the dots.

Someone asked what has changed in the last 30 years so that FBI stats show homicide down but mass murder up. The takeover of America by PharmaGod. The sheer numbers of overmedicated people with dangerous psychotropic drugs is unbelievable.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby jcivil » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:35 am

Issues:

The school shooting is spectacle, it is hardly news.

National and Global news are things that impact everyone.

The tsunami was news, not just for scale, but because it affects business.

Clearing the Amazon is news.

Killing 2,143 humans in Congo yesterday, including 723 children, is news,
not that it is reported.

In one town one crazy douche, MK or otherwise, went nuts and killed people.

Ultimately this is a local tragedy and local news. The spectacle is what the "news" thinks sells, though, so HEADLINES

My partner and I are always strapped, and keep our weapons under control.

It is the police who make everyone weak, waiting for help.

If that principal had a gun, she would not have had to run to her futile death leaving her own family bereft. A dang airplane pilot used to have a gun, shouldn't a school?

That said, American gun culture is a reflection of 500 years of genocide and abuse. Indian Killing, Slavery, KKK, you can not get a settled class locked society like England in a few decades. Plus, everyone knows, people who want weapons will get them. I could walk into any school, business, bus, plane, any day, and kill nearly all present with one sharp pencil. Cake with two. You can not legislate against hatred. That is why airport security and militarized police are about domestic control, not one bit protection.

a few dozen Americans die and it is a big deal, millions are starved to death and raped and slaved and slaughtered each day and the "news" gives us shite.

I love me innocent little kids, enjoyed being one too, and the pain their families and communities now bear is frightful. Yet greater suffering is systematically ignored and even denied each day by the scum feeding us kid traumaporn.

It should be a crime to glamorize the event or the shooter.

A mass killer should know their name and face will never be spoken, never be seen.
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