"Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

[Hunter]

I guess I can see why someone like that would kill the pet, probably the same reason they kill the kids, somehow in their mind they believe they are sparing them the pain they would endure from the suicide of a parent. As a cat owner it pains me to consider my cat being left without me even though as long as someone fed him he wouldnt miss me much LOL, still, I am sure other cat owners feel the same, that connection that is there with owner and cat (or other pet).

But it also could point to an intruder killing the dog if it was barking and creating a lot of noise and attention to the situation.

While there seems to be some evidence he had some problems with wife and likely some custody issues that could possibly explain why he would do this, I think there is just as much evidence that someone wanted him silenced, of course the problem is most people had never heard of this guy and his work so killing him is only going to bring more attention to his work and more suspicion of "them" being involved and silencing him to protect their secrets and crimes, so in any case it is FAIL on their part if this was a hit job to silence him, seems more likely if he was assassinated it was more to send a message to others rather than silence him, since, again, they are only going to get more people to buy his book now than when he was alive.

That said, I wonder, if he did do this, if he somehow thought that killing himself would bring more attention to what he uncovered, of course killing the kids doesnt jive with the thought of a man offing himself in heroic fashion to call attention to what he uncovered.

Its a big mystery as far as I am concerned but I am not yet willing to close the book on this one and call it a suicide.

[8bitagent]

If for the first time in 11.5 years of 9/11 investigation he was able to lay out a significant portion of deep state timelines, names, places, etc...I'd say that's pretty dangerous.
It was exhilarating yet scary to hear/read him flesh out all these things. Didnt a bunch of high ranking Saudis and ISI officials all die within weeks of eachother in 2002?

I don't get the fighting and bickering on here btw. I 100% respect both sides of most arguments here. Barracuda has a lot of good points as do others.
We've seen with Officer Terrence Yeakey and Barry Seal that black op wet works happen...though Im not willing to say this would fall under that yet.

[Hunter]

JD is that PDF you posted excerpts from the big bamboozle book or what, is it the same as the first 85 pages that are free on Amazon as mentioned by Cuda, or is that two different things? Just wanted to know before I start digging, what I am reading.

[Hunter]

JD is that PDF you posted excerpts from the big bamboozle book or what, is it the same as the first 85 pages that are free on Amazon as mentioned by Cuda, or is that two different things? Just wanted to know before I start digging, what I am reading.

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Wait, wait, wait. He was only 54. And per his bio, he started flying for commercial airlines in 1985. So iIf he worked with Barry Seal, he would have been an awfully young and inexperienced pilot to be shifting that magnitude of weight for that magnitude of client, wouldn't he? And same goes for having flown for the special-activities division during Iran-Contra.

Hello?

Does nobody find it a little odd that in his early 20s this guy walked out of Lakefront Airport and got a highly competitive job requiring a heavy-duty security clearance, working alongside a bunch of ex-Marine/ex-Air-Force/former Vietnam-fighter pilot/ Operation-40-veteran types like Tosh Plumlee. Barry Seal, Eugene Hasenfus, and....I don't know. If not James R. Bath, at least someone with James-R.-Bath levels of aviation experience?

Those guys hired their little in-group buddies, typically. And they were typically fifteen or twenty years older than Marshall would have been in 1984.

I can't even think of a non-Iran-Contra, non-agency pilot (Dyncorps types, for example) from that era who didn't have thousands of hours of flight-time and extensive, serious( and usually military) training flying fixed-wing aircraft under challenging conditions and/or foreign terrain. And quite a few if not most of them had prior intel experience, too.

The DEA didn't have more than maybe 50 or 60 pilots back then, their aviation division isn't all that huge even now. And it's not like there are frequently so many open slots for any kind of skilled government-agency job that they go to candidates who are fresh out of college and have no particularly special qualifications for them. The FBI wouldn't have even accepted an application for a ground job from someone whose sole professional experience was that he'd done a little work back home in Louisiana that was loosely similar to what the position required.

Also, why didn't he include a mention of his Barry-Seal/Iran-Contra background in this?

Philip Marshall, a veteran airline captain started his flying career as a contract pilot at Lakefront Airport in New Orleans, Louisiana. In 1985 Marshall went on to a 20-year career as a commercial airline pilot, first with Eastern Airlines and later with United. During his career, Marshall served as captain on seven different types of Boeings, including the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767, both used in the attacks on September 11, 2001.

It's his big selling point.

[Hunter]

I am not sure most people know who Barry Seal is so probably not a huge selling point to a general audience but I see your point for sure.

Also my understanding is a lot of this stuff was going on at Lakefront so if he had any talent at all he would have gotten someone's attention, no matter what age he was, also I think that is about the right age to recruit someone for such an op as one doesnt have a lot of moral concern about such things at that age and would quickly jump at the opportunity to fly for the CIA whereas someone older and more experienced might be prone to ask too many questions? Just my two cents.

[barracuda]

I've been studiously avoiding dealing with that ever since I got peeved at Marshall for bragging about his work on Iran-Contra. My first take was immediately that maybe he's lying about his involvement, or at least the extent of his involvement. The photo of him with the Lear and his publicist's comments (he claims to have seen flight logs) kinda pushed that out of my thoughts. But he is a publicist, after all. If he's not being completely truthful, it would remove a chunk of the reasons I wasn't happy with Marshall in the first place. And truth be told, I had formed a bit of an attachment to the unhappiness.

[barracuda]

JD is that PDF you posted excerpts from the big bamboozle book or what, is it the same as the first 85 pages that are free on Amazon as mentioned by Cuda, or is that two different things? Just wanted to know before I start digging, what I am reading.

They're two different things. Buy the book.

[compared2what?]

I am not sure most people know who Barry Seal is so probably not a huge selling point to a general audience but I see your point for sure.

Also my understanding is a lot of this stuff was going on at Lakefront so if he had any talent at all he would have gotten someone's attention, no matter what age he was,

Talent is one thing. But flying skills sufficient to transport drugs and/or weapons in and out of war zones are another. I mean, there's a reason the military spends the time and money training pilots that it does rather than just hiring the best young recreational pilots the county airport has to offer. Speaking of Eugene Hasenfus.

also I think that is about the right age to recruit someone for such an op as one doesnt have a lot of moral concern about such things at that age and would quickly jump at the opportunity to fly for the CIA whereas someone older and more experienced might be prone to ask too many questions? Just my two cents.

Every pilot I can think of who flew planes n South or Central America for the CIA, DEA or one of the Plan Columbia contractors in the '80s or '90s was (at a minimum) a Vietnam veteran. It's not the kind of work that anyone who can fly can do. People might shoot big weapons at them.

[compared2what?]

I mean, there was a war going on. We're not talking about delivering air mail.

[Hunter]

Good points for sure, something to chew on, we probably never will know the answer to those questions as I doubt publicists knows them.

[dqueue]

Mayhap he participated in Mena as a decoy pilot, without a need to know on cargo or other ops? Reference Terry Reed's Compromised. Therein, Reed describes practicing flying formations with Seal with the intent to elude or deceive radar.

[compared2what?]

He might have just flown between Texas and Louisiana, though. It wouldn't have been the kind of thing that would have put him in a position to hobnob with the guys running the show or learn their secrets. But I can see how someone who'd done it might think that exaggerating the experience somewhat in a way that led people to assume otherwise was allowable if it was done in the interest of an important cause.

That would really be a fairly ordinary thing to do, in fact. I don't want to be too hard on him, poor soul. RIP.

[DrEvil]

Here's a quote from the wikipedia article on murder suicide :

Though there is no national tracking system for murder–suicides in the United States, medical studies into the phenomenon estimate between 1,000 to 1,500 deaths per year in the US,[4] with the majority occurring between spouses or intimate partners, males were the vast majority of the perpetrators, and over 90% of murder suicides involved a firearm. Depression, marital or/and financial problems, and other problems are generally motivators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_suicide

And here's the paper they reference for those numbers (pdf) :
http://www.vpc.org/studies/amroul2006.pdf

If those numbers are correct, even if you go with the low estimate of 1000, that works out to roughly one murder suicide every day. It's really not that uncommon, you just never hear about it.

[compared2what?]

Mayhap he participated in Mena as a decoy pilot, without a need to know on cargo or other ops? Reference Terry Reed's Compromised. Therein, Reed describes practicing flying formations with Seal with the intent to elude or deceive radar.

Sorry. Didn't see the above before I posted. But yes. Great minds. He might have flown drugs domestically.

That doesn't account for the special-activities division claim. And I do find that pretty hard to believe. considering how few jobs the CIA/DEA would have had for pilots; the military or military-esque conditions they had to fly under; and how many pilots with extensive experience doing exactly that in Vietnam there were rattling around looking for work and/or thrills in the early '80s. But it is a partial explanation.