IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby Jerky » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:40 pm

This will be my last post in this TOPIC. If anybody wants to continue the conversation, I will gladly take it to PM.

My Great Hero in this life is Stanley Kubrick (Polish Jew). I tell you this, and that half my friends are Jewish, NOT to inoculate myself against accusations of personal Anti-Semitism on my part, but because it's TRUE. Most of them share my worldview about everything up to and including the villainy of modern-day Israel (with a couple of exceptions). And I have never had ANY of them get angry with me during discussions about this topic. And yet, here... Wow.

For all intents and purposes, whether it likes to admit it or not, this is a "mystic" message board. And personally, I have felt that the RigInt egregore's inability to grapple with this central issue has left it to wallow in surface woo.

The substance of history crackles and booms all around us, and all that's left for us to ponder are the faux gravitas of Bob Dylan lyrics and the kooky high weirdness of David Lynch films.

We are a group circling a vast, gigantic, terribly gravitational Zero Point that we can't - out of sheer politeness and social engineering - ever even talk about. I think it's a crippling flaw. I think we should be able to address it honestly and openly without fear of being ostracized and despised.

Am I really REALLY the only one here who feels that the board's Anti-Anti-Semitism has gone overboard, lately? I mean, for fuck's sake, we can't even discuss Gilad Atzmon here anymore! Who next? Norman Finklestein?!

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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:43 pm

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All these people are so fuckin stupid to be associated with an anti-semite...........NOT....are you fucking kidding me? Yes brekin this is the most fuckin bizarre fight I have ever had here.....having to defend Joseph Campbell from your insidious, slick, treacherous, deceptive, disingenuous, surreptitious, duplicitous, fucking, outragous labeling.... shame on you shame............. on............ you..............

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you think these people would have anything to do with Joseph Campbell if he were an anti-semite????

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You come here and trash his name.....you trash everyone that loves and believes in him....you trash is wife.......your convicting him of being an anti-semite is beyond the pale.....take YOUR hatred elsewhere....it stinks....it fuckin stinks to high heaven.

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all fools?....hey brekin.....all fools?
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:46 pm

yep you are an ass

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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby KUAN » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:15 pm

I was called a goy and my ( lack of ) culture was denigrated by my Jewish (ex) wife for over 40 years. I in my turn thought that her and all adherents to religion of any species are deluded but didn't bother to enter into the debate. We all sling the shit when we are with our own kind - fucking be honest and admit it. Cambell probably let his mouth run off but take the mans work and leave the rest.
Israel is proof that even smart people can get themselves into some dumb situations. Reassuring really....
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:51 am

seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:18 pm wrote:Joseph Campbell--After Death, a Writer Is Accused of Anti-Semitism - New York Times


After Death

cowards....fuckin cowards


How sad it is that Joe’s posthumous acceptance by the public has caused a friend in life to turn against him in death

Joan Konner
Graduate School of Journalism
Columbia University
New York City


I have to say that I kind of agree. I have some reservations, because I haven't read Brendan Gill's piece. And it might be being misrepresented. (Meaning: He might also have had a less inflammatory and more thoroughly considered argument with the work that got eclipsed by the "bombshells" about the man in the aftermath.)

But as far as I can see, even if all of it is true, it's just throwing rocks at the guy for having said some stupid, incidental things and made some inconsequential mistakes, as virtually all human beings do. And after he's in the grave, that's just completely fucking irrelevant and poses no threat to anybody anywhere, unless it has implications for his work. Because that's the only part of what he did that anyone's ever going to be exposed to, at that point. It's not like there were wrongs to be righted, or victims clamoring for justice or anything.

So I don't see how it's not just talking trash about someone who's not in a position to respond. In which case, all else aside, the person doing it doesn't really know what he or she is talking about, in all likelihood.

Seriously. If there were a fair argument to be made that Joseph Campbell's work was anti-semitic, that would obviously be as interesting as its merits to everybody, equally, including Joseph Campbell adherents.

But ad hominem's not fair argument. So if that's all you've got, you should...Well. Maybe not just stay home and gossip about it with your friends on the phone, I guess. But you shouldn't be out there hyping it as if it were headline news, or a knock-out punch, or whatever. Because fundamentally, it's still just gossip.

When it's at the level of the examples being cited here, at least. If he'd been a really appalling hypocrite or hater in some way that unambiguously cast his honesty or integrity into question, I guess it might be different.
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:23 am

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and there it is


Our anger at Gill gives way to a kind of sadness. It is truly a pity that a man like Gil, a fine writer and a successful and respected person, must stoop to such an attack on a "friend" as this. Along with that pity comes the sadness that an intelligent man could have watched the six hours of stimulating dialogue between two men as different and intelligent as Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell - talk that literally stimulated a nation - and come away with only this pettiness. That is truly sad.


TRULY SAD

watch the six hours for yourself before executing Campbell with that anti-semite label......I dare you
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby American Dream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:00 am

DrVolin » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:08 pm wrote:Joseph Campbell was on the Mankind Quarterly, the last refuge of scientific racism. That fact alone speaks volumes. Within a few months of its creation in the early 60s, after its orientation had become clear, many of the original board members resigned in protest. Campbell didn't. Campbell worked in the Dumézilian comparative mythology tradition, a movement very close to pre-war european fascism, and linked with the German Ahnenerbe, whose mission was to document and reconstruct the original structure of indo-european (i.e. Aryan) mythology and society. The semantics had to change post-war, but the ideology clearly remained fairly unchanged.


Thanks for this, DrVolin- this is key. It is here that we get closer to a smoking gun. Mankind Quarterly- yes, a hub of hardcore "scientific" racism. We need to build on this and the Dumézilian links in order to get at the real Joseph Campbell- a man who did have certain strengths but also very definite blind spots and weaknesses.

It is only through illuminating these sorts of connections that we may be able to better locate the spiritual/mytho/poetic in the actual world of politics and social relationships and thus assess their potential to help fulfill reactionary agenda and/or human liberation.

Lacking a more fleshed out picture of these things, how can we know who Joseph Campbell really was?
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:05 am

Build away build away....be my guest

keeper of all things anti-semetic ........keeping this board free...the all knowing AD...protecting us all from the evils of the world...we are so stupid educate us AD we need you to tell us how to think....we are incapable of figuring that out on our own....how can we know who Joseph Campbell really was without the illustrious AD....surely Campbell is the scourge of the earth and AD will find the truth....


FIND IT AD CRUCIFY THE DEAD MAN..... CRUCIFY THE DEAD MAN!!!.....IT IS YOUR JOB 1

INFORM US ALL WHAT THE EVIL CAMPBELL HAS DONE AS AN ANTI-SEMETIC....TELL US ALL THE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY CAMPBELL HAS COMMITTED

JUST LIKE GILL DO IT AFTER HE'S DEAD AND GONE


WATCH THE VIDEOS TELL US WHERE THERE WAS ANYTHING ANTI-SEMETIC IN THOSE 6 HOURS

WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKIN COWARDS

this was NEVER brought up when the man was alive and could speak for himself....when he would have had the chance to defend himself.......Campbell's body wasn't even cold when Gill wrote that shit


can't take the word of long time friends that KNEW HIM...unlike yourself :roll:

Then run to his foundation and make sure they are aware of your findings...I'm sure they would love to know the real :roll: Joseph Campbell according to AD...they are all such fools but AD will change all that

I doubt the foundation ever checked to see if the man they knew and loved was evil to the core...you must run to them with your findings immediately so they can disavow him and stop looking like such fools


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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:08 am

Posthumous

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell

Posthumous allegations of anti-Semitism
In 1989, two years after Joseph Campbell's death, cultural critic Brendan Gill aroused considerable controversy when he published an article that contained claims that Joseph Campbell was "anti-Semitic" and jokingly accused Campbell of "Satanism" because he looked so healthy at the age of eighty.[/size][/b][55] The title of Gill's article, "The Faces of Joseph Campbell", references not only Gill's 1987 book Many Masks: A life of Frank Lloyd Wright (1987), but also is a play upon the title of Campbell's four volume work The Masks of God (1959–1968). Gill offered no evidence to support his accusation of anti-Semitism, but did say both he and Joseph Campbell attended monthly meetings at the Century Club in New York City. :roll:
Other scholars, students and associates of Campbell disagreed with Gill's general critiques as well as the accusation of antisemitism. A few months after Gill's article appeared, the New York Review of Books published a series of letters: "Brendan Gill vs. Defenders of Joseph Campbell" (cover title), "Joseph Campbell: An Exchange" (article title).[56] A number of the letters from former students and colleagues argued against the accusations. In particular, Professors Roberta and Peter Markman state that "we were dismayed because this piece of character assassination was unsupported by any evidence." Conversely, a number of former students and peers supported Gill's assessment, which led to the cancellation of a videotape presentation at Sarah Lawrence College to honor Campbell, where he had taught for 38 years. [57]
Professor of religion Robert Segal explained Gill's accusation of antisemitism in his own article, "Joseph Campbell on Jews and Judaism."[58] Segal suggests that this view of Campbell stems, at least partly, from his tendency to be blunt at times in critiquing certain aspects of organized religions—which, Campbell stated in his valedictory lecture series Transformations of Myth Through Time, was his job.[59]
Stephen Larsen and Robin Larsen, authors of the biography Joseph Campbell: A Fire in the Mind (1991) and members of the founding board of advisors of the Joseph Campbell Foundation, argued against what they referred to as "the so-called anti-Semitic charge". They state: "For the record, Campbell did not belong to any organization that condoned racial or social bias, nor do we know of any other way in which he endorsed such viewpoints. During his lifetime, there was no record of such accusations of public bigotry".



"For the record, Campbell did not belong to any organization that condoned racial or social bias, nor do we know of any other way in which he endorsed such viewpoints. During his lifetime, there was no record of such accusations of public bigotry"
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:13 am

FIND THE ANTI-SEMETISM HERE .....FIND IT

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Works by Campbell[edit]

Early collaborations[edit]
Main article: A Skeleton Key to Finnegans Wake
The first published work that bore Campbell's name was Where the Two Came to Their Father (1943), a Navajo ceremony that was performed by singer (medicine man) Jeff King and recorded by artist and ethnologist Maud Oakes, recounting the story of two young heroes who go to the hogan of their father, the Sun, and return with the power to destroy the monsters that are plaguing their people. Campbell provided a commentary. He would use this tale through the rest of his career to illustrate both the universal symbols and structures of human myths and the particulars ("folk ideas") of Native American stories.
As noted above, James Joyce was an important influence on Campbell. Campbell's first important book (with Henry Morton Robinson), A Skeleton Key to Finnegans Wake (1944), is a critical analysis of Joyce's final text Finnegans Wake. In addition, Campbell's seminal work, The Hero with a Thousand Faces (1949), discusses what Campbell called the monomyth — the cycle of the journey of the hero — a term that he borrowed directly from Joyce's Finnegans Wake.[61]
The Hero with a Thousand Faces[edit]
Main article: The Hero with a Thousand Faces
From his days in college through the 1940s, Joseph Campbell turned his hand to writing fiction.[62] In many of his later stories (published in the posthumous collection Mythic Imagination) he began to explore the mythological themes that he was discussing in his Sarah Lawrence classes. These ideas turned him eventually from fiction to non-fiction.
Originally titled How to Read a Myth, and based on the introductory class on mythology that he had been teaching at Sarah Lawrence College, The Hero with a Thousand Faces was published in 1949 as Campbell's first foray as a solo author; it established his name outside of scholarly circles and remains, arguably, his most influential work to this day. Not only did it introduce the concept of the hero's journey to popular thinking, but it also began to popularize the very idea of comparative mythology itself—the study of the human impulse to create stories and images that, though they are clothed in the motifs of a particular time and place, draw nonetheless on universal, eternal themes. Campbell asserted:
Wherever the poetry of myth is interpreted as biography, history, or science, it is killed. The living images become only remote facts of a distant time or sky. Furthermore, it is never difficult to demonstrate that as science and history, mythology is absurd. When a civilization begins to reinterpret its mythology in this way, the life goes out of it, temples become museums, and the link between the two perspectives becomes dissolved.[63]
The Masks of God[edit]
Written between 1962 and 1968, Campbell's four-volume work The Masks of God covers mythology from around the world, from ancient to modern. Where The Hero with a Thousand Faces focused on the commonality of mythology (the “elementary ideas”), the Masks of God books focus upon historical and cultural variations the monomyth takes on (the “folk ideas”). In other words, where The Hero with a Thousand Faces draws perhaps more from psychology, the Masks of God books draw more from anthropology and history. The four volumes of Masks of God are as follows: Primitive Mythology, Oriental Mythology, Occidental Mythology, and Creative Mythology.
Historical Atlas of World Mythology[edit]
Main article: Historical Atlas of World Mythology
At the time of his death, Campbell was in the midst of working upon a large-format, lavishly illustrated series entitled Historical Atlas of World Mythology. This series was to build on Campbell’s idea, first presented in The Hero with a Thousand Faces, that myth evolves over time through four stages:
The Way of the Animal Powers—the myths of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers which focus on shamanism and animal totems.
The Way of the Seeded Earth—the myths of Neolithic, agrarian cultures which focus upon a mother goddess and associated fertility rites.
The Way of the Celestial Lights—the myths of Bronze Age city-states with pantheons of gods ruling from the heavens, led by a masculine god-king.
The Way of Man—religion and philosophy as it developed after the Axial Age (c. 6th century BC), in which the mythic imagery of previous eras was made consciously metaphorical, reinterpreted as referring to psycho-spiritual, not literal-historical, matters. This transition is evident in the East in Buddhism, Vedanta, and philosophical Taoism; and in the West in the Mystery Cults, Platonism, Christianity and Gnosticism.
Only the first two volumes were completed at the time of Campbell's death. Both of these volumes are now out of print.
The Power of Myth[edit]
Main article: The Power of Myth
Campbell's widest popular recognition followed his collaboration with Bill Moyers on the PBS series The Power of Myth, which was first broadcast in 1988, the year following Campbell's death. The series discusses mythological, religious, and psychological archetypes. A book, The Power of Myth, containing expanded transcripts of their conversations, was released shortly after the original broadcast.
Collected Works[edit]
The Collected Works of Joseph Campbell series is a project initiated by the Joseph Campbell Foundation to release new, authoritative editions of Campbell's published and unpublished writing, as well as audio and video recordings of his lectures. Working with New World Library and Acorn Media UK, as of 2009 the project has produced seventeen titles. The series' executive editor is Robert Walter, and the managing editor is David Kudler.
Other books[edit]
Where the Two Came to Their Father: A Navaho War Ceremonial (1943). with Jeff King and Maud Oakes, Old Dominion Foundation
The Flight of the Wild Gander:Explorations in the Mythological Dimension (1968). Viking Press
Myths to Live By (1972). Viking Press
Erotic irony and mythic forms in the art of Thomas Mann (1973; monograph, later included in The Mythic Dimension)
The Mythic Image[64] (1974). Princeton University Press
The Inner Reaches of Outer Space: Metaphor As Myth and As Religion (1986). Alfred van der Marck Editions
Transformations of Myth Through Time (1990). Harper and Row
A Joseph Campbell Companion: Reflections on the Art of Living (1991). editor Diane K. Osbon
Mythic Worlds, Modern Words: On the Art of James Joyce[65] (1993). editor Edmund L. Epstein
The Mythic Dimension: Selected Essays (1959–1987)[66] (1993). editor Anthony Van Couvering
Baksheesh & Brahman: Indian Journals (1954–1955)[67] (1995). editors Robin/Stephen Larsen & Anthony Van Couvering
Thou Art That: Transforming Religious Metaphor (2001). editor Eugene Kennedy, New World Library ISBN 1-57731-202-3. first volume in the Collected Works of Joseph Campbell
The Inner Reaches of Outer Space[68] (2002)
Sake & Satori: Asian Journals — Japan[69] (2002). editor David Kudler
Myths of Light: Eastern Metaphors of the Eternal[70] (2003). editor David Kudler
Pathways to Bliss: Mythology and Personal Transformation[71] (2004). editor David Kudler
Mythic Imagination: Collected Short Fiction of Joseph Campbell[72] (2012).
Interview books[edit]
The Power of Myth (1988). with Bill Moyers and editor Betty Sue Flowers, Doubleday, hardcover: ISBN 0-385-24773-7
An Open Life: Joseph Campbell in Conversation with Michael Toms (1989). editors John Maher and Dennie Briggs, forward by Jean Erdman Campbell. Larson Publications, Harper Perennial 1990 paperback: ISBN 0-06-097295-5
This business of the gods: Interview with Fraser Boa (1989)
The Hero's Journey: Joseph Campbell on His Life and Work (1990). editor Phil Cousineau. Harper & Row 1991 paperback: ISBN 0-06-250171-2. Element Books 1999 hardcover: ISBN 1-86204-598-4. New World Library centennial edition with introduction by Phil Cousineau, forward by executive editor Stuart L. Brown: ISBN 1-57731-404-2
Audio tapes[edit]
Mythology and the Individual
The Power of Myth (With Bill Moyers) (1987)
Transformation of Myth through Time Volume 1–3 (1989)
The Hero with a Thousand Faces: The Cosmogonic Cycle (Read by Ralph Blum) (1990)
The Way of Art (1990—unlicensed)
The Lost Teachings of Joseph Campbell Volume 1–9 (With Michael Toms) (1993)
On the Wings of Art: Joseph Campbell; Joseph Campbell on the Art of James Joyce (1995)
The Wisdom of Joseph Campbell (With Michael Toms) (1997)
The Collected Lectures of Joseph Campbell:
Volume 1: Mythology and the Individual (1997)
Volume 2: The Inward Journey (1997)
Volume 3: The Eastern Way (1997)
Volume 4: Man and Myth (1997)
Volume 5: The Myths and Masks of God (1997)
Volume 6: The Western Quest (1997)
Myth and Metaphor in Society (With Jamake Highwater) (abridged)(2002)
"Mythology and the Individual Adventure" (1972) - Big Sur Tapes
Video/DVDs[edit]
The Hero's Journey (film): A Biographical Portrait—This film, made shortly before his death in 1987, follows Campbell's personal quest—a pathless journey of questioning, discovery, and ultimately of delight and joy in a life to which he said, "Yes"
Sukhavati: A Mythic Journey—This hypnotic and mesmerizing film is a deeply personal, almost spiritual, portrait of Campbell
Mythos—This series comprises talks that Campbell himself believed summed up his views on "the one great story of mankind."
Psyche & Symbol (12 part telecourse, Bay Area Open College, 1976)[73]
Transformations of Myth Through Time (1989)
Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth (1988)
Myth and Metaphor in Society (With Jamake Highwater) (1993)
Books edited by Campbell[edit]
Gupta, Mahendranath. The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna (1942) (translation from Bengali by Swami Nikhilananda; Joseph Campbell and Margaret Woodrow Wilson, translation assistants—see preface; foreword by Aldous Huxley)
Myths and Symbols in Indian Art and Civilization. Heinrich Zimmer (1946)
The King and the Corpse: Tales of the Soul's Conquest of Evil. Heinrich Zimmer (1948)
Philosophies of India. Heinrich Zimmer (1951)
The Portable Arabian Nights (1951)
The Art of Indian Asia. Heinrich Zimmer (1955)
Man and Time: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks. Various authors (1954–1969)
Man and Transformation: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks. Various authors (1954–1969)
The Mysteries: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks. Various authors (1954–1969)
The Mystic Vision: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks. Various authors (1954–1969)
Spirit and Nature: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks. Various authors (1954–1969)
Spiritual Disciplines: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks. Various authors (1954–1969)
Myths, Dreams, Religion. Various authors (1970)
The Portable Jung. Carl Jung (1971)
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:32 am

AD brekin why don't you talk to his widow? Maybe she can shed some light on the subject :lol:

you know pillow talk and all....surely she would have gotten a wiff being that close to him...but of course you are free to spew your garbage....you all know way way more than is wife....or were you under the sheets spying on him? Maybe you know of some anti-semetic thing he did in the bedroom...were you really under the bed?

His obvious disdain for dogma and doctrine over and against metaphor and mystery, as clearly represented by the biblical tradition, is something I share, and hope more would. That disdain does not translate into the dictionary definition of anti-Semitism, and is best re-termed as anti-monotheism, which trait I share as well. If others have more than anecdotal evidence of Campbell’s alleged anti-Semitism that involves quotes or papers that are of more substance than the ‘revelation’ that he supported Nazism in its infancy (which mythologist would not have?), as did a host of thinkers until they realized the myth was a monster, and ridiculous charges based on heresy, I welcome them and will read them with great interest. However, Campbell’s post at Sarah Lawrence College and his continuance there even after gaining some degree of notoriety, his marriage to Jean Erdman (a Jewish artist), and what I have read of him, do not point me in the direction that seems to be the latest fad.


WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 05, 2005
Joseph Campbell: A Monotheistic Deconstructionist
What I offer in the following text is a brief overview of Joseph Campbell’s thinking on Judaism and Christianity, which I sometimes refer to as biblical tradition. In examining Campbell’s work I have not tried to pick out his potentially inflammatory remarks about Jewish people or about Judaism, for that was not my focus or concentration when reading him. My focus was on trees and transformation while reading Campbell, the dissertation direction, and so most of the religious quotes pertaining to his work center on that theme or general mythological concepts, and sometimes alchemical ideas. The Campbellian quotes I resonated with fill over fifty pages of text, and it is from within that material that the following quotes were pulled. I leave the unveiling of allegedly anti-Semitic quotes to others such as Robert Segal who seem to be motivated to do so.

I am certain that this is the quote that Segal or whomsoever it was, refers to, when flagrantly and inflammatorily claiming that Joseph Campbell classified the Kabbalah as medieval. What actually occurs, is that Campbell is referring to a specific historical time period, writing in The Hero With a Thousand Faces, and in doing so, speaks of the Kabbalah in an approving not disproving or ignorant fashion as the writer claims. Campbell writes: “The cabalistic teachings of the medieval Jews, as well as the Gnostic Christian writings of the second century, represent the Word Made Flesh as androgynous—which was indeed the state of Adam as he was created, before the female aspect, Eve, was removed into another form” (153). Campbell refers to the Kabbalah in approving, if not glowing, terms, seeming to praise it while describing its mysticism. He writes again: “The Hebrew cabala represents the process of creation as a series of emanations out of the I AM of the Great Face. […] The emanations are represented also as the branches of a cosmic tree, which is upside down, rooted in “the inscrutable height.” The world that we see is the reverse image of that tree” (271). This does not sound like someone who is trying to present the Kabbalah as a medieval Jewish mystical religion alone, but one that he is aware continues today and for which he has respect.

Campbell’s description, in The Inner Reaches of Outer Space: Metaphor as Myth and as Religion, of the shift from the Mesopotamian Mythological mindset to that of the Jewish/Christian one is compelling and descriptive, not derogatory. He writes:

“Thus a completely new mythology arose, and instead of the ancient Sumero-Babylonian contemplation of the disappearances and reappearances of planets as revelatory of an order of nature with which society was to be held in accord, an idea of good and evil, light and dark, even of life and death as separable took hold, and the prophecy was announced of a progressive restoration to righteousness of the order of nature. Where formerly there had been the planetary cycles, marking days and nights, the months, years, and eons of unending time, there was now to be a straight line of progressive world history with a beginning, a middle, and a prophesied end—Gayomart, Zarathustra, and Soshyant: Adam, Jesus, and the Second Coming. Where formerly there had been, as the ideal, harmony with the whole, there was now discrimination, a decision to be made, “not peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34), effort, struggle, and zeal, in the name of a universal reform” (16).

However, if one clings, even unconsciously, to the truth-, validity- and historicity-claims of Christianity or Judaism, then this statement, opinion and observation would be offensive. The next quote of Campbell’s might also offend staunch fundamentalists: “The founding myth has been, of course, that of Man’s Fall by the Tree in the Garden (Genesis 3) and Salvation by virtue of the sacrifice of the God-Man Christ Jesus on the Tree of the Cross (Matthew 27:33-54; Mark 15:22-39; Luke 23:33-49; John 19:17-30), whereby a mythological Fall has become historicized as a prehistoric fact of c. 4004 or 3760 B.C., and a historical crucifixion, c. A.D. 30, mythologized as reparation for that Fall” (The Inner Reaches of Outer Space 33). Yet, if we read this passage for what it says, it is merely descriptive, not derisive.

Campbell challenges the current biblical tradition in its dualistic thinking. He writes:

“The axial tree of the universe, around which all revolves, that is to say, it’s still cut in two, as it was in Yahweh’s Eden of the two trees, one, of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the other, of the Knowledge of Eternal Life. Whereas in the unreformed, primeval archetype of the World Tree, such as appears in the Old Norse Yggdrasil and in the Navaho Blue Corn Stalk, the life-giving roots and the pollen-bearing flowerings, or tassels, are of a single, organically intact, mythological image” (The Inner Reaches of Outer Space 76).

In comparing the biblical tradition to Nordic and Navaho Mythologies, Campbell shows his preference for biological imagery, and offers a psychological insight made by Jung before him, among others.

Campbell’s approach to religion is best exemplified by the following: “The first step to mystical realization is the leaving of such a defined god for an experience of transcendence, disengaging the ethnic from the elementary idea, for any god who is not transparent to transcendence is an idol, and its worship is idolatry” (The Inner Reaches of Outer Space 18). His concept of how to best engage the mystical is a timeless one and wholly non-reflective of 19th or 20th century mythologists. His call to remember the mystical and metaphorical is oft-repeated and made in many ways. In The Masks of God: Creative Mythology, he writes: “Yet all religions, mythologies, and “proper” works of art both derive from and refer to it [Kant’s the causality of the highest cause = x], and so must remain, for all those inaccessible to the experience, mere shells to be applied to other use […]” (353). And, in Transformations of Myth Through Time, he writes: “The god within us is the one that gives the laws and can change the laws. And it is within us” (247). Campbell’s view of God and religion is a decidedly eastern one, but, it is not wholly eastern and seems not to conform exactly to any one tradition, which is fitting for a comparativist mythologist.

Seeing the utter destruction wrought by biblical tradition upon culture and society takes nothing more than dropping blinders and reading verifiable and accurate historical accounts. I think that Campbell saw this more clearly than many of his time, and as such, felt it a personal mission to deconstruct the biblical tradition through exposing many of its problems. He states:

“The common tendency today to read the word “myth” as meaning “untruth” is almost certainly a symptom of the incredibility and consequent inefficacy of our own outdated mythic teachings, both of the Old Testament and of the New: the Fall of Adam and Eve, Tablets of the Law, Fires of Hell, Second Coming of the Savior, etc.; and not only of those archaic religious Testaments, but also of the various, more modern, secular “Utopiates” (let us call them) that are being offered today in their place. Living myths are not mistaken notions, and they do not spring from books” (Flight of the Wild Gander xiii-xiv).

There is even a point in the book when he states that he is intentionally trying to offer a way to escape biblical tradition. I leave it for another to fish for the quote.

In writing about the psychological nature of myths, Campbell seeks to open myths up to all of humanity, and this is perhaps where some see him as the guru, which label and iconization others detest. He writes:

“Like dreams, myths are productions of the human imagination. Their images, consequently—though derived from the material world and its supposed history—are, like dreams, revelations of the deepest hopes, desires and fears, potentialities and conflicts, of the human will—which in turn is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating variously against each other and in concert. Every myth, that is to say, whether or not by intention, is psychologically symbolic. Its narratives and images are to be read, therefore, not literally, but as metaphors” (The Inner Reaches of Outer Space 28).

His concept of myth, as stated here, derives from a firm rootedness in comprehension of the world through a biological lens informed by Darwinism as seen in the Historical Atlas of World Mythology series.

Campbell’s four functions of myth as described in The Hero’s Journey and Thou Art That, include the mystical, cosmological, sociological and pedagogical. He stressed the metaphorical nature of myth over and against the literal and saw a religious function of myth that involved the mystical. He writes: “This I would regard as the essentially religious function of mythology—that is, the mystical function, which represents the discovery and recognition of the dimension of the mystery of being” (Thou Art That 3). Campbell continues in Thou Art That:

“The metaphors perform their function of speaking to these deep levels of human beings when they arise freshly from the contemporary context of experience. And a new mythology is rapidly becoming a necessity both socially and spiritually as the metaphors of the past, such as the Virgin Birth and the Promised Land, misread consequently as facts, lose their vitality and become concretized” (6).

Once again, his observations about the biblical myths could seem antagonizing if one was emotionally or psychologically attached to or invested in them, but, in reality, Jung and a host of others have made similar observations.

Campbell saw that the tradition out of which we had come had grown tired and nonapplicable, as did many others, however, he was staunch in his insistence on explaining this in as many different ways as he could, which is why I see him as the most vocal deconstructionist of biblical tradition that I have come across in reading. He writes:

“If, as has happened in the contemporary world, all of the backgrounds of the images of our religious heritage have been transformed, as occurs when we find ourselves in a world of machines rather than in a world of pastoral life, these changed images really cannot and do not communicate the feelings, the sentiments, and the meanings that they did to the people in the world in which these images were developed” (Thou Art That 8).

Although he did see biblical mythology as being outdated in its cultural context, Campbell also enjoyed the mysteries behind those myths. In Thou Art That, he writes:

“Paul also grasped that the Fall at the Tree of the Garden and the Redemption at Calvary on the Tree of Redemption are the two aspects of the two Trees in the Garden of Eden. The first, the Tree of the Fall, represents passage from the eternal into the realm of time. The second is the Tree of the return from the realm of time to the spiritual. So that Tree is the threshold tree, the laurel tree, which may be seen in its two aspects, going from the sacred to the profane and from the profane back into the sacred” (15).

And continues to explain one of the maladies of the culture that bases its existence on the biblical tradition of the Fall. “When Man ate of the fruit of the Tree, he discovered himself in the field of duality instead of the field of unity. As a result, he finds himself out, in exile” (15). Here, Campbell makes an obvious reference to Descartes whose dualistic notions were certainly informed by biblical tradition. The exilic mindset of the Jewish people could be said to have instigated numerous atrocities both done to others and to themselves by others, and continues unto today.

The idea of the biblical tradition causing dualism is not one that Campbell thought independently, but was shared by a great deal of writers. However, he wrote about it in a searching manner that seems to have raised the hair of many people, and perhaps that is owing to his comparing and contrasting biblical tradition with the yin-yang as below.

“There are two orders of religious perspective. One is ethical, pitting good against evil. In the biblically grounded Christian West, the accent is on ethics, on good against evil. We are thus bound by our religion itself to the field of duality. The mystical perspective, however, views good and evil as aspects of one process. One finds this in the Chinese yin-yang sign, the dai-chi” (Thou Art That 16).

Campbell continues with a brief exploration of how the biblical tradition informs an understanding of the natural world. He writes:

“We have, then, these two totally different religious perspectives. The idea of good and evil absolutes in the world after the fall is biblical and as a result you do not rest on corrupted nature. Instead, you correct nature and align yourself with the good against evil. Eastern cults, on the other hand, put you in touch with nature, where what Westerners call good and evil interlock. But by what right, this Eastern tradition asks, do we call these things evil when they are of the process of nature?” (Thou Art That 16).

Posing Judaism and Christianity side by side with Eastern traditions exposes the incredible dangers inherent in dogmatic interpretations of mythology. The Bible, especially the first eleven chapters of Genesis, as is well known amongst biblical scholars, represents an erudite collection of mythologies from cultures in the Mesopotamian, Mediterranean and Egyptian regions. The Egyptian mythologies were the underlying strata, as explained in convincing detail in Gary Greenberg’s 101 Myths of the Bible, upon which Sumerian, Babylonian, Akkadian, Hittite, Canaanite, Greek and Jewish (not in order of importance or affect) mythologies, as shown in S.H. Hooke’s Middle Eastern Mythology, were interwoven, combined, recombined and edited throughout history. Campbell’s following admonishment will prove true in any historical period to come; “One must search out one’s own values and assume responsibility for one’s own order of action and not simply follow orders handed down from some period past. Moreover, we are intensely aware of ourselves as individuals, each responsible in his or her own way, to themselves and to their world” (Thou Art That 30). He obviously is referring to biblical tradition, but, also to any culture or person that maintains a ‘faith’ or ‘belief’ in an ancient tradition, without exploring its mysteries themselves.

I think the main objection Campbell had to biblical tradition was that its dogma and doctrines put blinders on people so that they could not see much of the rest of humanity as viable. He also deeply disliked the biblical tradition’s disavowal of nature and stated ‘dominion over’ nature as seen in the Creation myth in Genesis. Campbell writes: “I deem this distinction of mythologies very important. We have the nature mythologies, which put us in touch with our own nature. But there also exist, one must note, antinature mythologies. These are the mythologies of the nomadic people” (Thou Art That 47). The Hebrew were a nomadic tribe, which Campbell was well aware of, and so, yes, he includes them in this observation. But, it is hardly an anti-Semitic statement of which others seem to see so much of in his work.

Campbell discusses his lack of comprehension of what the rabbis thought the tree of life was, writing; “What is that tree of immortal life? Even after examining in depth the rabbinical discussions of the two trees in the Garden, it remains something of an enigma” (Thou Art That 50-1). This statement shows that he read rabbinical discussions, Midrash, I will assume, and such reading would not be likely for an anti-Semite. His take on the Paradise myth, a psychological understanding of its application to his day, demonstrates that he does not despise the myth in biblical tradition. He writes: “That is what the story about the expulsion from the Garden of Eden is all about. It is not about an historical incident but about a psychological, spiritual experience, a metaphor for what is happening to us right now” (Thou Art That 51). This understanding is one that others would do well to see, especially those Christians, Jews and Muslims in conflict with one another.

The Devil had a hold of man, as Campbell puts it.

“How is God going to get Man back? The theological notion is that God offered his own son in exchange for Man’s soul. That is the Redemption. Through it God redeems a bet, as one would say about something that was lost, “I’m going to redeem it.” God bought Man’s soul by giving the Devil Christ instead, but the Devil could not hold Christ because Christ is incorruptible and so the Devil was cheated” (Thou Art That 76).

Since God offered Christ to the Devil in exchange for humanity, knowing the Devil could not hold Christ, as pointed out by Campbell, then God knowingly setting up the Devil for a fall, also invites the Devil to plague humanity thereafter. He continues: “Thus, the first Redemption theory: Christ as the bait, the cross as the hook, and the Devil cheated” (76). Such a simplification of the biblical and Christian tradition is sure to offend, but, it also serves the purpose of deconstructing Christianity so that Christians can then reconstruct it if so desired. Jung’s notion of reconstructing Christianity, as outlaid in Stein’s Jung on Christianity and in Psychology and Western Religion, by transforming the Trinity into a Quaternity and reintroducing the feminine into the godhood is the best I have seen yet.

Campbell goes on to synthesize the entire Christian Mythology; one of his strongpoints in mythographical work was synthesis. He writes:

“There is a great mythology associated with this particular crucifixion, namely, that of the redemption of mankind from the mortal effects of a calamitous event that occurred, according to report, long ago in a very distant period, when a serpent talked. The first man—the first example of the species Homo sapiens—had been forbidden by his creator to eat the fruit of a certain tree. Satan in the form of a snake tempted him—or rather his wife, who had been lately fashioned from one of his ribs—to eat of this forbidden tree. The couple ate, and thereupon both they and their progeny, the whole of the human race, were taken by the Devil in pawn. They could gain redemption only by the miracle of God himself in the person of his Eternal Son, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, becoming incarnate in the person of that earthly Jesus who was crucified, not really for blasphemy but in order to redeem mankind from the Devil. According to this reading, the purpose was to palliate the Creator’s wrath by atoning through death for the heinous offense of that primal human act of disobedience” (Thou Art That 77).

Although one could say that this interpretation is ‘tongue-in-cheek’ in many spots, it is also fairly true to the biblical story. Over and over, Campbell writes about biblical tradition, and one could say scathingly at certain points, but, this resistance he has to the biblical tradition is more than validated by historical evidence on a nearly global scale.

Arguments about Campbell’s shadow being evidenced by his alleged anti-Semitism stem from knowledge of his Catholic upbringing and his early enthusiasm for the mythologically-loaded Nazi party. However, I do not think that the shadow was operating on Campbell when he made anti-monotheistic claims, for I see him as intentionally deconstructing Christianity, and the fact that he detested the Nazi party after he discovered their horrors is not a secret. Campbell was a literature scholar and was fluent in many languages, one of which happened to be German. The fact that some of the greatest philosophers have come out of Germany (or written in German) was not lost on Campbell either; so that what I am saying here is that of course he was attracted to a mythologically-laden political movement, but, additionally, that all political parties have shadows. The American government bombed over 52 foreign countries from WWII through 1996 (China twice) and that number has since increased dramatically. From some global perspectives, to align oneself with the American government now is akin to Campbell being attracted to the Nazi party in its beginnings.

Campbell found a way, as a comparativist will, to demonstrate similarities in many global myths to that of the biblical tradition. Whether one predates the other or not is not part of his discussion, although the idea of temporality is hinted at, it does not receive undue consideration. He writes:

“Those familiar with Germanic myth and folklore will recall that in the Icelandic Edda (specifically, in Havamal, verses 139-140 and 142) it is told that All-Father Othin, to acquire the Wisdom of the Runes, hung himself for nine days on the world tree, Yggdrasil.
I ween that I hung of the windy tree,
Hung there for nights full nine;
With the spear I was wounded, and offered I was,
To Othin, myself to myself,
On the tree that none may ever know
what root beneath it runs.
None made me happy with loaf or horn,
And there below I looked;
I took up the runes, shrieking I took them,
And forthwith back I fell.
Then began I to thrive, and wisdom to get,
I grew and well I was;
Each word led me to another word,
Each deed to another deed.

No one can miss the parallels here to the Gospel themes of Jesus’ three hours on the Cross (3 x 3 = 9), the spear in his side, his death and resurrection, and the boon of redemption thereby obtained. The phrase “and offered I was/To Othin, myself to myself” is interesting in the light of the Christian dogma of Christ and the Father as One” (Thou Art That 79).
What Campbell offers in such explorations is the opportunity for others to examine connections more deeply, to uncover historical proof of them or to refute his parallels if so desired. He is not condemning the mythologies he presents, and certainly drawing comparisons is not debasing unless one has too much emotionality tied up in their reading.

In a few instances, though, Campbell does provide some of the underlying mythological strata of the Bible. He writes:

“[serpent Madonna from Babylon] But there’s a very different spirit here. This is the cosmic tree, the axial tree. Here is the goddess of the tree, and here is the serpent who sheds its skin to be born again. The association of goddess, serpent, and tree recalls the Garden of Eden, Eve, and the serpent. And here comes the male moon figure for refreshment. He comes here to receive the fruit of eternal life for refreshment. This is not a fall. There’s no idea of a fall in these traditions” (Transformations of Myth through Time 63-4).

In this way, readers can see that the biblical interpretation of the Mesopotamian myths the Hebrews borrowed becomes negativized, and as biblical scholars have discussed, may have been due to patriarchal desires. Campbell merely points to this idea, and does not state that the biblical tradition was wrong for their interpretation.

Campbell also dares to compare and contrast biblical tradition with the Mayan and Aztec myth of the “Feathered Serpent,” in Thou Art That, which is sure to raise eyebrows amongst Church leaders. He writes:

“Clearly, the historical reading of the emblem has here become anomalous, not to say even bizarre, what with a talking serpent, a devil, and an incarnate god entering into the action. Such are not the characters of a readily credible history. The question becomes further complicated once we notice, and take into account, the fact that in the jungles of Guatemala there stands at Palenque a Mayan temple known as the “Temple of the Cross,” where there is a shrine exhibiting for worship a cross that is mythologically associated with a savior figure, named by the Mayans Kukulcan, and by the Aztecs Quetzalcoatl. That name is translated “Feathered Serpent,” suggesting the mystery of a personage uniting in himself the opposed principles represented in the earthbound serpent and the released flight of a bird” (77).

The concept of how these two crosses came to be in such separate cultures is not addressed in any detail by Campbell, because he was more interested in whats and whys than hows. He continues:

“Moreover, as the scriptures related to this figure tell us, he was born of a virgin, died and was resurrected, and is revered as some sort of savior who will return as in a Second Coming. All this mythos adds another, very troublesome, dimension to our problem of interpreting the symbolic form of the cross, since it must now be recognized, not simply or singly as a reference within one tradition to one historical event, but as a sign symbolically recognized in other traditions as well, and in significant association, moreover, with a number of related symbolic themes” (77-8).

Furthermore, Campbell explores the symbolism in these myths. He writes:

“The figure of the Feathered Serpent linked with the Cross, for example, immediately suggests our own biblical Eden/Calvary continuity. Furthermore, on top of the Mayan cross there is a bird sitting, the quetzal bird, and at the base there is a curious mask, a kind of death mask. A number of paintings of the Crucifixion from late medieval times and the early Renaissance period show the Holy Spirit above, in the form of a dove, and beneath the foot of the cross, a skull. The name of the hill of the Crucifixion, as we all know, was, in Aramic, Golgotha, and in Latin, Calvary, both of which words mean “skull.” We do not know what interpretation the Mayans gave to their death mask; but in the medieval Christian legend, the skull out of which the cross appeared to have grown, as a tree from its seed, was said to be Adam’s. When the blood of the crucified Savior fell upon it from His pierced hands and feet, the First Man was, so to say, retroactively baptized, and with him the whole human race. Had there been no Tree of the Fall, there would have been no Tree of Redemption, no Holy Rood, as the Cross was called in the Middle Ages” (78).

Campbell explains the biblical tradition’s problem in insisting on the factuality and historicity of its myths, especially crucifixion. He states:

“The answer, therefore, to our question as to why the crucifixion of Jesus holds such importance for Christians implies a complex of essential associations that are not historical at all, but are rather mythological. For, in fact, there never was any Garden of Eden or serpent who could talk, nor solitary pre-pithecanthropoid “First Man” or dream like “Mother Eve” conjured from his rib. Mythology is not history, although myths like that of Eden have been frequently misread as such and although mythological interpretations have been joined to events that may well have been factual, such as the crucifixion of Jesus” (Campbell 78).

Thus the idea of history as not being mythology is raised, and although there are some who would debate that, stating that historical events lead to myths, that myths are not exactly historically accurate is not debated any longer. Only stubborn fundamentalists persist in their views that the bible is accurate and completely historically true, in complete contradiction of the latest archeological evidence, particularly in Finkelstein and Silberman’s The Bible Unearthed, and the biblical scholars’ finds relating to the continual editing as shown by the distinct styles of writing in different chapters and verses of the same books. Yet, in the following treatment of the symbolic cross, Campbell illuminates the mystical nature of Judaism and Christianity.

“Another aspect of Orpheus is that he was torn apart, as Jesus was torn apart in the scourging and crucifixion. What does this represent in the older, let’s say, Corpus hermeticum way of reading it? First, that eternity is in love with the forms of time, but to come into those forms it has to be dismembered, and then, that you, as a separate entity in the forms of time, in order to lose your commitment to this little instance, you must be dismembered and opened to the transcendent. So the cross, in this tradition, represents the threshold from eternity to time and from time back to eternity. And that’s also the symbology of the two trees in the Garden of Eden. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the tree of going from unity into multiplicity, and the tree of eternal life is that of going from multiplicity to unity. It’s the same tree in two directions” (Transformations of Myth through Time 206-7).

There is no hint of anti-biblical tradition in the above quote because he is engaged in the ideas the metaphors of that tradition point toward. Whether or not one agrees with his interpretation matters little, what it provides is a starting point for others to see what an engagement with the mysteries contained in the mythologies embedded in biblical tradition looks like—a valuable boon indeed! As Campbell states: “The characteristic of medieval storytelling is that you don’t invent the story, you develop it. You take a traditional story and interpret it—give it new depth and meaning in terms of the conditions of your particular day” (Transformations of Myth through Time 237). This interpretation tradition borrows from the wonderful example the Israelites offered with the Torah and Midrash, and is something Campbell himself engages in in his reinterpretation of biblical myth.

Campbell also studied the Middle Ages through the lens of much of its literature, and in doing so, made many observations of the problems inherent in Christianity. The following two quotes from Creative Mythology demonstrate this particularly well.

“The life-desolating effects of this separation of the reigns of nature (the Earthly Paradise) and the spirit (the Castle of the Grail) in such a way that neither touches the other but destructively, remains to this day an essential psychological problem of the Christianized Western world; and since it is at the root a consequence of the basic biblical doctrine of an ontological distinction between God and his universe, creator and creature, spirit and matter, it is a problem that has hardly altered since it first became intolerably evident at the climax of the Middle Ages. In briefest restatement: The Christian is taught that divinity is transcendent: not within himself and his world, but “out there.” I call this mythic dissociation” (393).

“[…] what is now known, […] of the universe and evolution of species, a suspicion has been confirmed that was already dawning in the Middle Ages; namely that the biblical myth of Creation, Fall, and Redemption is historically untrue. Hence, there has now spread throughout the Christian world a desolating sense not only of no divinity within (mythic dissociation), but also of no participation in divinity without (social identification dissolved): and that, in short, is the mythological base of the Waste Land of the modern soul, or, as it is being called these days, our “alienation” (394).

If Christians take offense to this and react, perhaps they would be better off thinking about how such statements are true, and what parts of them demand further exploration.

Although Campbell continually discusses the negative aspects of Judaism, Christianity and biblical tradition in general: “And we’re in trouble on it because we have a sacred text that was composed somewhere else by another people a long time ago and has nothing to do with the experience of our lives. And so there’s a fundamental disengagement” (Transformations of Myth through Time 46), and: “One of our main problems—and these are the two great sources, now, of the problem here in Western interpretation of these matters—is the Aristotelian accent on rational thinking and the biblical focus on the ethnic reference of the mythic symbol” (Transformations of Myth through Time 96), he also provides affirmations of them. He writes: “First, we must move socially into a new system of symbols, because the old ones do not work. Second, the symbols, as they exist, when they are interpreted spiritually rather than concretely, yield the revelation” (Thou Art That 107). He also shows a keen understanding of the politics behind the symbolism of the crucifixion; “If you want to resurrect, you must have crucifixion. Too many interpretations of the Crucifixion have failed to emphasize that. They emphasize the calamity of the event. And if you emphasize the calamity, then you look for someone to blame” (Thou Art That 112). Mel Gibson’s movie on the Passion was especially telling in its emphasis on blame, however, since Gibson consulted with various Jewish biblical authorities, I think any claims of his anti-Semitism are as ridiculous as those levied against Campbell.

Campbell found a personal creative myth and in so doing, a voice to communicate it with that many benefited from and within his oeuvre continue to find boons. He writes: “However, it has nothing to do with creative life and less than nothing with what I am here calling creative myth, which springs from the unpredictable, unprecedented experience-in-illumination of an object by a subject, and the labor, then, of achieving communication of the effect”(Creative Mythology 40). Campbell, may as well be referred to as Campwell, as he, through his opus, sought to make others well, but in truth, did so himself become well, more importantly, finding the effect within the illuminations seen in his experiences, speaking them to those who would listen.

His obvious disdain for dogma and doctrine over and against metaphor and mystery, as clearly represented by the biblical tradition, is something I share, and hope more would. That disdain does not translate into the dictionary definition of anti-Semitism, and is best re-termed as anti-monotheism, which trait I share as well. If others have more than anecdotal evidence of Campbell’s alleged anti-Semitism that involves quotes or papers that are of more substance than the ‘revelation’ that he supported Nazism in its infancy (which mythologist would not have?), as did a host of thinkers until they realized the myth was a monster, and ridiculous charges based on heresy, I welcome them and will read them with great interest. However, Campbell’s post at Sarah Lawrence College and his continuance there even after gaining some degree of notoriety, his marriage to Jean Erdman (a Jewish artist), and what I have read of him, do not point me in the direction that seems to be the latest fad.


Works Cited

Campbell, Joseph. Flight of the Wild Gander: Explorations in the Mythological Dimension; Selected Essays 1944-1968. 1969. Novato, California: New World Library, 2002.

--. The Hero With a Thousand Faces. 1949. Bollingen Series 17. 3rd Printing. Princeton: Princeton UP, 1973.

--. The Inner Reaches of Outer Space: Metaphor as Myth and as Religion. 1986. Novato, California: New World Library, 2002.

--. The Masks of God: Creative Mythology. 1968. New York: Arkana, 1991.

--. Thou Art That: Transforming Religious Metaphor. Novato, California: New World Library, 2001.

--. Transformations of Myth through Time. New York: Harper and Row, 1990.
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:14 am

after all those years with him....man did he fool her :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

AD brekin get on it on.....tell the woman who she's been living with all these years....man what a fool!


so I guess she's an anti-semite too?

AD brekin take a look up the old lady's skirt...I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for there :P

shame on you......shame on you
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“Marriage is not a love affair. A love affair is a totally different thing. A marriage is a commitment to that which you are. That person is literally your other half. And you and the other are one. A love affair isn’t that. That is a relationship of pleasure, and when it gets to be unpleasurable , it’s off. But a marriage is a life commitment, and a life commitment means the prime concern of your life. If marriage is not the prime concern, you are not married.”

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In 1934, Joseph Campbell began teaching at Sarah Lawrence College. In 1938, he married Jean Erdman, a former student.


Dance Pioneer: Jeanne Erdman '33 Campbell


By Suzanne Sato ’67

“I love dance better than any other action I can think of,” said Jean Erdman ’33 Campbell. And indeed, the story of her life combines two lifelong passions: dance and devotion to her late husband, noted mythologist Joseph Campbell. Jean was the fourth of five children born to Protestant missionary John Erdman and Marion Dillingham (1902). As a first grader, she recalled walking three blocks to Punahou School from her family home on Beretania and Alexander Streets. A life in bare feet (“I didn’t wear shoes as a girl except on Sundays”) and a Punahou P.E. teacher who taught Isadora Duncan-style dance set her on a path toward modern dance.

Like many girls of her era, Jean left Punahou to attend a girls’ boarding school in the East, graduating from Miss Hall’s School in Massachusetts in 1934. She began serious ballet study at Sarah Lawrence College, but guest instructor Martha Graham proved to be a magnetic influence. During the same period, Erdman met and fell in love with Joseph Campbell, who taught literature at Sarah Lawrence. The couple married and moved to Greenwich Village in New York City, where Jean began dancing for the “clear and unforgiving” Martha Graham. The Campbell’s busy careers kept them on the move. “I toured dancing, and he toured lecturing and every so often we would meet somewhere,” she said.

Graham, a revolutionary force in American modern dance, was inspired to rechoreograph several of her works in order to showcase Erdman’s talents in dancing and acting. After performing with the Martha Graham Company from 1938 to 1942, Jean decided to strike out on her own, whereupon Graham dismissed her with a scathing, “I never thought you would let me down.” First as a solo artist and then with her own company, Jean toured the country creating ambitious, new works. Founding “Theater of the Open Eye” in New York City with Joseph Campbell, she collaborated with emerging artists, such as the now legendary composer John Cage, and notably choreographed a major work – “The Coach with the Six Insides” – based on the James Joyce novel “Finnegan’s Wake.” Leslie Dillingham ’67 Freyberg and Kikilia Fordham ’82 Schaefer were among those who danced in her company.

Jean became head of the dance program at the Teacher’s College at Columbia University and, in 1966, founded the dance program at New York University. In 1972, she was nominated for the Tony Award and won a Drama Desk Award for her choreography in Broadway’s “Two Gentlemen of Verona.” Upon Campbell’s retirement that same year, the couple decided to return to the islands. Today, at 90, Jean Erdman Campbell retains a dancer’s regal carriage and beauty. She’s nevertheless quick to point out the exacting demands of the muse. “Don’t dance unless it means a lot to you, because it’s a hell of a lot of work,” she said. “But if it means a lot to you, it’s never too much work.”



Joseph Campbell: A letter to Jean Erdman
Joseph Campbell died in 1987. I discovered his work in 1988. This letter is addressed to his surviving wife Jean Erdman so that she might know what an influence her husband's work has had.

Dear Jean,

I discovered the work of your husband the year in which he passed away. In those years his spirit and work has had a profound influence on my personal philosophy and development as a person. This letter is as much addressed to him as it is you. I wanted to express my gratitude to Joe for framing the complexities of mythic ideas in such a way that the world seems to open up and all of these small details of language and literature come together. In the Power of Myth interviews Joe mentioned that in his youth his heroes were Leonardo Da Vinci and Douglas Fairbanks. I have a similar synthesis of models which help guide me through life. However, for myself, the figures that loom large in my life are Joseph Campbell and Luke Skywalker.

I had a very secular upbringing as a child. My father described himself as a “skeptic” in the world of philosophical conjecture. This put my family and I at odds with the more conservative and traditional elements of the community and my extended family. As I grew I became something of a militant, rejecting and notions of faith and religion as vestiges of superstition and perpetuation ritual. The more attempts that were made to save my families soul the more entrenched in my sense of non belief I became.

That is not to say that I didn’t have strong iconic structures that guided and influenced my life. When I was 4 years old the first of the Star Wars movies were presented in theaters. This story of adventure became for me a defining force in my life as it had for so many young people of my generation. My imagination was fueled by this story and the world was framed and understood through the lens of the Skywalker melodrama. Over the years of my childhood it never occurred to me that this story that meant so much to me might be spiritual at its core. It never occurred to me that the joy and comfort I received by having a narrative from which I could compare my own experience of the world might be comparable to the religious experiences that I so vehemently rejected.

I was a teenaged boy in the summer of 1988. By this time I had heard people make comments which connected the Star Wars narrative to spiritual thought. Quite frankly these off hand comparisons made me angry. These comments felt to me diminishing to the story which I held in such high esteem.

One afternoon, I was sitting in front of the television as so many American youth still do without anything to watch. In those days cable television only existed in the cities and our old set still had two large dials that protruded out of the front which were used the change what channels we had. The switch made a strong clunking noise as I would turn it from one network show to another. On a summer afternoon it was likely that I would not find anything on television which I would have liked to watch. The channels flickered in procession in front of me. A game of golf; a quiz show of some kind; perhaps a rerun of Andy Griffith and on PBS I would pause for just a second. I lingered just long enough to see that the channel was broadcasting two old men sitting in chairs talking. I quickly changed the channel again.

I turned the dial several times that afternoon. Round and round my mind blank with intent, simply trying to fill time until something might draw my attention. On one of my trips around the dial I hit on the PBS station again. This time, instead of the expected dullness of two men in chairs I was presented with something new. Darth Vader’s picture now loomed large covering the entire screen. My attention had been captured and the television dial finally stopped. I found myself listening to Joe and Bill Moyers discuss something that I loved; something that filled my life as if it had the same value and worth of any other great piece of literature. I was amazed and it raised my self esteem and vision of myself in a way that nothing had ever done before. It also opened my mind to a new way of looking at the world. If there was truth to be found in the fiction of Star Wars then there was truth to be found in all stories, religious stories, spiritual stories. Suddenly I found a connection with the rest of the world and the rest of the world was connected to me.

Today I am 38 years old. I have been reading not only Joe’s work but well beyond his canon to embrace a wide range of beauty in the world that I would have otherwise missed if I had not stumbled on that television channel those years ago. I spent many years making choices that best served my own families needs but recently I have had the opportunity to follow my bliss and go back to school. I am very near to completing what classes I need to become a teacher of literature within the middle grade education system. It is this developmental age of transition I believe is so important to the proper growth of an individual. This, threshold of change, from dependence to independence that Joe talks about and helped me to cross, is what I hope to help my students with as we discover the value contained within themselves and all forms of literary expression.

This letter is intended as a thank you and as an acknowledgement of what Joe’s work has meant to me. As his partner you were a part of what allowed Joe to present his gifts to the world and I wanted you to know what your life stories have meant to mine. The value of your work together lives on and will continue to live on as those who have been touched by it do what we can to bring a sense of bliss and the experience of meaning to all those we can. Again thank you. Joseph Campbell was a great man and I am humbled by his contribution to the world. It is my hope that I can and will do all I can to honor that legacy.

Sincerely,

Matt Lemmens



Erdman and Campbell did not have any children. For most of their forty-nine years of marriage they shared a two-room apartment in Greenwich Village in New York City. In the 1980s they also purchased an apartment in Honolulu and divided their time between the two cities. Campbell died in 1987. In 1990, Erdman became the founding president of the Joseph Campbell Foundation and continues as its president emeritus. Since 1995 Erdman has lived exclusively in Hawaii.
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Re: IS JOSEPH CAMPBELL AN ANTI-SEMITE?

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:45 pm

American Dream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:00 am wrote:
DrVolin » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:08 pm wrote:Joseph Campbell was on the Mankind Quarterly, the last refuge of scientific racism. That fact alone speaks volumes. Within a few months of its creation in the early 60s, after its orientation had become clear, many of the original board members resigned in protest. Campbell didn't. Campbell worked in the Dumézilian comparative mythology tradition, a movement very close to pre-war european fascism, and linked with the German Ahnenerbe, whose mission was to document and reconstruct the original structure of indo-european (i.e. Aryan) mythology and society. The semantics had to change post-war, but the ideology clearly remained fairly unchanged.


Thanks for this, DrVolin- this is key.


I must have missed that detail.

But, yeah. That raises serious questions about his judgment. Meaning: While they might have answers that leave its reliability more or less intact for practical purposes, you can't really take it for granted one way or the other. And I don't think that's unreasonable.

I mean, look. Practically every educated person in America was at least somewhat anti-semitic, prior to 1940 or so. And same goes for tons and tons of people all over the world in the present. In itself, it's not meaningful enough to discredit every single thing about each and every one of them, therefore. It's like misogyny -- or homophobia, or racism, or ethnic bigotry, or any and all forms of culturally commonplace hatred, known and unknown, everywhere, at all times -- in that all people should always be absolutely, non-negotiably and non-optionally opposed to its being culturally commonplace.

But as long as it is, applying the same absolute zero-tolerance standard to every manifestation of it without regard for how (or whether) it was actualized, whom it hurt or threatened, what was intended by it, and [blah, blah, blah] just isn't effective opposition. Or even opposition, arguably. Because tolerance and understanding are among the ideals you stand for by opposing that kind of hatred. And you can teach by doing, within limits. So why throw it away?

It's inherently a somewhat fungible, subjective question, at the individual level. But I think that should be okay, too. People have different aptitudes and capacities, and not necessarily the same ones in every circumstance. So, you know. Self-regulation's a virtue. But so is flexibility.

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That Mankind Quarterly thing is too significant to dismiss out of hand, however. IMO.
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Postby justdrew » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:03 pm

well, also consider that fringe publications/organizations have a long history of putting people's names on things. It could be he just never bothered to have a lawyer send them a letter.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:19 pm

another poor person who's been deceived.....get on it AD, brekin so much to hunt down so little time

Lunch Time with Joseph Campbell
This is a page that I have longed to do.

Joseph Campbell was a friend of mine. I came to know him when I was a waiter at McBells, an Irish pub on Sixth Avenue at Washington Place in Greenwich Village, NYC. He came in all the time for lunch. Any one that knew McBells knew it as a small place filled with it’s own crowd. Many of the famous, near famous, and some of the greatest writers came there to eat and be left alone. But they also loved the owner Francis Campbell. He was a one of a kind.

I got to know many great people who came there. Some became my friends and others became teachers to me. Joseph Campbell was a friend and a teacher.

In the three and half years that I worked there, I waited on him every week. He loved the bacon cheese burgers and french fries. He loved to watch all that was happening in the place and all the talk from table to table. I have always been the kind of person that if I had something to say or a question, why not ask. One may never get the chance to ask it again.

To say that there never was another Jewish person that worked there, I cannot be sure. I’m pretty sure I was it. So I really was a Bagel in a place full of Shepard’s Pies. Somehow I brought something to the place that was different and many people enjoyed me.

Our friendship began slowly and it grew to a place where he was giving me books to read. We would then talk about them when he came in to eat. During that time, Bill Moyers was doing the series on PBS, “The Power of Myth”. I would watch it each week and go in with questions to Joseph about what the show was about. It was a wonderful time in my life. Nothing is greater to me then hearing people who know something, talk about life, teaching others what they have learned, asking others to open their minds and look at the world in a new light. Joseph was that kind of teacher to me.

We had been talking for about two years about every subject. If I brought the question, he would help me find the answer. The best part was when he would tell me that I needed to read a certain book. During lunch times, he saw that I held my own. I could often be teased for I was somehow different and stood out from others; just being myself, meaning I was, and still am, a very organic person. What you see is what there is. One day, while he was eating, we were talking in between my waiting on the other tables. He said he was thinking about me and wanted me to read a certain book, Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl.

Since I did not know what the book was about, I asked him. He told me it was about a man and his experience in the concentration camps. I got very uptight and he asked me what was wrong. I told him the truth; that since my earliest memory as a child I’ve had horrific visions. I did not speak until around the age of three. The things that I would see in front of my eyes, from my first stages of awareness, are still hard to talk about for they took so much out of me; such darkness. I would not share these visions to anyone in fear that, even at a very young age, they would take me away from my mother and father because I irrationally thought that they would think I was crazy. But the visions would never stop. As people walked up to me, I might see visions of them being killed in all horrible ways. I didn’t know where this was coming from. Was I seeing their death or was it a memory from another life? While just in my own thoughts in everyday life, these visions could come up spontaneously at any time. At an early age, when I was dreaming these thoughts at night time and woke up, I was so afraid that I would go to my younger brother and crawl into bed while he was sleeping and hold onto his arm or his leg to feel safe.

In the early fifties there was no way I could have ever seen such things as a small boy in the media like you do now. I began to think these thoughts were one of two things: in a past life, I was either the victim or I was the one that did the crimes. It has taken me a lifetime and I still do not know.

After sharing all of this with Joseph, he asked me if I was a practicing Jew. I told him my family was like many American Jews. They really only went to a Synagogue on the High Holy Days (Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur) and have a Passover Seder. But they didn’t practice daily or weekly, keep kosher or observe the Sabbath. He said to me “you must promise you will read this book and we shall talk about it”. I said I would and I did. I did not sleep for many nights. It opened up all the visions more than normal.

We had many talks about the book and what I thought it was saying. He shared with me many thoughts. One afternoon when he came in I was having a bad day. There were some customers that would come in all the time and they enjoyed getting me going; teasing me, “just having a little fun” they would say. Joseph saw that I was a bit uptight. He called me over to him and asked me what was wrong and I shared my feelings.

He grabbed my arm and held it very hard. I have never liked to be touched but I tried to relax. He waited until he had my complete attention. Paraphrasing, he said, “Bruce I want you to listen to me now. Do you know why I asked you to read Man’s Search For Meaning? During the Holocaust, in the camps, there were two types of souls that went there and only one type came out. I saw in you that if you had lived in that time, Bruce, you would have been the soul that would be the survivor. There is something in your being that is yours and no one can take that away from you”.

That moment changed my whole life and put me on the path that I have stayed on all these years. And finally I am a man that has found my Jewish roots and my place in the world. Joseph Campbell helped me get back to being a practicing Jew. It has taken me a lifetime. And I now understand why he told me such a powerful thing. I can still feel his hand on my arm and the warm smile when he said those words and what he was saying to me. We all have a choice as to how to walk through this thing called life- with our minds open or closed. It is our choice; to keep growing from our times or stay safe. None of us have easy lives. Each one of us must find our own way. My life is no different than anyone else’s. I have always had a need to stay present but most of all, I have been blessed with great guides and teachers. Our minds want to keep expanding. It wants to keep growing. It’s not what one has ever lost in life, it’s what one still has left and to try to find that ray of light.

Bruce Baumwoll

From Wikipedia about the book “Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl:

Man’s Search for Meaning is a 1946 book by Viktor Frankl chronicling his experiences as a concentration camp inmate and describing his psychotherapeutic method of finding a reason to live. According to Frankl, the book intends to answer the question “How was everyday life in a concentration camp reflected in the mind of the average prisoner?” Part One constitutes Frankl’s analysis of his experiences in the concentration camps, while Part Two introduces his ideas of meaning and his theory of logotherapy. It is the second-most widely read Holocaust book in the bookstore of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
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