Ken O' Keefe.

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So some people think Atzmon is an anti-semitic .....WHO FUCKIN CARES!

Didn't you hear?
Dr. Sanjay Gupta comes out in support of medical marijuana: ‘We have been terribly and systematically misled’

[American Dream]

What a loathsome character is "Israel Shamir". He shares David Duke connections with other members of his disreputable "flock":


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/ ... 09818.html

Israel Shamir exposed! A fake or a plant?
manfred ropschitz | 26.04.2005

Israel Shamir, the "Israeli-Jewish" enemy of Zionism (and now of Judaism too) has a secret identity which he won't deny or speak about. He just smears his critics. Here is photgraphic evidence that Shamir, the darling of White Supremacists, the BNP and other racists is a Swedish bloke called Joram Jermas.



The man known as Israel Shamir



Shamir's Swedish passport file - Joram Jermas


For twenty years the Jewish Israeli journalist Israel Shamir has been living a double life as a Swede called Jöran Jermas. Official files show Shamir’s own picture and Siberian place and date of birth (11 June 1947) on the Swedish man’s passport. It’s not another of Israel (Adam) Shamir’s many pen names; it’s a completely different identity. None of this appears in the résumée promoted on his website as The Shamir Legend: so where does legend end and mythology begin?

It was a simple enough question – “Who are you?” But for once the voluble Shamir fell silent when he saw our evidence. From Arizona his publisher Carol Adler at Dandelion Books said “I have not yet heard back from him; I emailed him; I know he is aware you copied me on your correspondence to him.”

A brand new ‘super-dissident’ essayist was launched into cyberspace four years ago: it was a linguistic adventure too, it being his first work in English. The obscure middle-aged Russian translator became an instant celebrity, feted as a straight-talking Jewish Israeli whistle-blower. He was rewarded with international speaking tours, books about the Palestine conflict and positions on committees.

Shamir now says he quit Judaism some time ago and joined the orthodox Christian Church of the Holy Land. He writes that he grew disgusted not just with Zionism but with what he now considers the racist and predatory nature of the Jewish faith itself. Jews tricked the Romans into crucifying Jesus Christ, he reasons, and so Jews today can be called “Christ-killers” – which he does in his writings.

Today a number of Palestine campaigns in Europe and the US commend Shamir’s website and circulate his material. That’s how I came across his recent essay, ‘Tsunami in Gaza’. Nor was I alone. Internet fans of the American white-supremacist, David Duke, were urged to read the “very brave Israeli writer, the intrepid Israel Shamir” and to note “the depth of anti-gentile feeling in the Jewish faith” to which his essay testifies. In the UK, the British National Party endorses Shamir’s views online.

‘Tsunami in Gaza’ expands on an Israeli press report of orthodox Jews rushing to Thailand hoping to give Jewish corpses a religious burial. However, Shamir’s essay makes a shocking new claim (which he doesn’t substantiate); that the Thai government agreed to delay mass burials just to please the Jews, and so exposed countless Thai survivors and rescuers to greater risk of deadly epidemics. How did a small army of journalists miss that one? Nonetheless, this is all ‘evidence’ of Judaism’s wilful inhumanity and “nasty exclusiveness”.

“In face of the huge tragedy in South East Asia, this insistence of `not being counted among the goyim’ is especially offensive, bordering on denial of our common humanity. What is so bad about Thais, French, Chinese and other people who found their death in the catastrophe that you can't leave your dead lying next to them?

“Personally,” a British supporter of the Palestinians wrote to me, “I didn't find Shamir’s article anti-Jewish but certainly I did find it anti-Israel or anti-Zionist. I presumed he was Jewish himself so unless we follow the tortured example of the Zionists’ thinking and consider him a 'self-hating Jew’, then how can he be anti-semitic? (sic)”

Israel Shamir is equally comfortable with overtly anti-Jewish and White supremacist groups among his fan-base: "It is not White Racist Supremacism oppressing Palestinians,” he writes. “If I were a Palestinian, the White Nationalists would be my legitimate allies." In his view they have “a common enemy”, the Jews. If you’re intrigued to learn, for example, “Why Zionism is Racism but anti-semitism is not” then Shamir’s website is the place for you. Judaism is behind it all – and they’re all in it together. It’s the Jews’ fault Americans are dying in Iraq: their fault a hundred thousand Iraqis have been slaughtered. This is all hidden from us because Jews also run the media.

On the Shamir website is one apparently critical item – “The Shamir Legend” by Ratibor Petrushkin – Shamir’s former colleague at the far-right Russian weekly Zavtra. It starts well enough, mentioning 27 reasons why Shamir cannot really exist. Disappointingly it fails to outline a single one of them. Instead it copies a 560-word tribute from another Shamir website, the “First unofficial Russian site of Israel Shamir”, and then simply clears him of all 27 charges (whatever they were).

According to the authorised legend, Shamir was born in Novosibirsk in Soviet Siberia, the great-grandson of a rabbi. He was a brilliant student and a radical Russian writer. He migrated to Israel in 1969 and fought in the 1973 war. He spurned a career in law to become a journalist, spending time in the Far East and London. By 1980 he was back in Israel writing for papers and producing a book. He returned to the Soviet Union in 1989 and reported on its collapse until 1993 when he set up his present home in Jaffa.

Such is the legend. However, Israel Shamir first appeared on the Swedish census in 1984 (when the legend has him in Israel). In 1989 he wrote from his Stockholm address trying to sell the original Himmler’s war service diary to the Holocaust revisionist, David Irving. Shamir said he was acting for unnamed Russian businessmen. It fell through, but the correspondence is still on Irving’s website.

Publicly available Swedish government files show Shamir later became a citizen and is still registered as living in Stockholm, with his second wife – not in Jaffa. His first wife and their two sons also live in Stockholm. In 2001 Israel Shamir changed his name to Jöran Jermas. He was already a Swedish citizen, now he had the name to go with it. Finally, the National Passport Registry has provided a copy of Jöran Jermas’ passport file. It contains Israel Shamir’s photograph and his place and date of birth. We copied the file to Mr Shamir and his American publisher. We invited him to comment on this evidence, to explain it or denounce it – but he has said nothing.

By contrast his fellow Swede, the Palestine-born activist Ammar Makboul, was happy to speak about Israel Shamir: “Refuting one type of scapegoating with another is to substitute the demand for freedom, human rights and a just peace, with racist conspiracy theories. And that’s the reason that we cannot accept Shamir as part of the Palestinian solidarity movement.” The Palestine Solidarity Association in Sweden has shunned Shamir’s latest collection of essays and sales are low. In October Shamir’s “L’autre Visage d’Israel” (Israel’s Other Face) was de-published by Balland/Blanche in France. They removed it from bookstores and stripped it from public libraries less than a fortnight after going on sale.

One puzzle has been solved, but questions remain: "Who is "Israel Shamir"? Is he "Jöran Jermas"? Or are they both fictional? What about his other aliases, “Vassili Krasevsky” and “Robert David” (inter alia?)? More important still, whoever he is, what's his game?"

[Searcher08]

This statement reminded me of corporate mission / vision statements, the purpose of which is primarily to attain alignment of the team discussing them, not act as banners to follow - in fact the more they are used like that, the less useful effective they are.

WHO speaks for the Palestinian people?
By what right do *these* signitories speak for the Palestinian people?
WHO decides, and HOW, what the motherhood and apple pie statements

we stand with all and any movements that call for justice, human dignity, equality, and social, economic, cultural and political rights.

mean on a day to day basis?

More scarily..

We will not allow a false sense of expediency to drive us into alliance with those who attack, malign, or otherwise attempt to target our political fraternity with all liberation struggles and movements for justice.

means on a day to day basis?

I read this as
We wont talk to people who criticize us and if you are connected to people who criticize our friends, we wont talk to you OR your friends.

To me, this seems a manifesto (unintentionall) set up to create division. It says there is only one way to be - you are either with us (Quote A) or against us (Quote B) - this is Bushian.

It is very 'Roman Law' - behaviour must only take place within very prescribed limits.

I read about the ex-communication of activist Greta Berlin and found the whole thing revolting. It was witchhunt pack behaviour and wrapping it in expedient 'Mom and Apple Pie' statements and having a big list of signitories doesnt mask that.

Another aspect of this is...
Why then isnt there a street-level campaign for dissociation from AIPAC, ADL, JINSA and have people turning up outside CNN silently protesting Wolf Blitzer or Alan Dershowitz... ?
Why does that not happen? Why is that?

The goal of the Palestinian people has always been clear: self determination. And we can only exercise that inalienable right through liberation, the return of our refugees (the absolute majority of our people) and achieving equal rights to all through decolonization. As such, we stand with all and any movements that call for justice, human dignity, equality, and social, economic, cultural and political rights. We will never compromise the principles and spirit of our liberation struggle. We will not allow a false sense of expediency to drive us into alliance with those who attack, malign, or otherwise attempt to target our political fraternity with all liberation struggles and movements for justice.

As Palestinians, it is our collective responsibility, whether we are in Palestine or in exile, to assert our guidance of our grassroots liberation struggle. We must protect the integrity of our movement, and to do so we must continue to remain vigilant that those for whom we provide platforms actually speak to its principles.

When the Palestinian people call for self-determination and decolonization of our homeland, we do so in the promise and hope of a community founded on justice, where all are free, all are equal and all are welcome.

Until liberation and return.

Signed:

Ali Abunimah

Naseer Aruri, Professor Emeritus, University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth

Omar Barghouti, human rights activist

Hatem Bazian, Chair, American Muslims for Palestine

Andrew Dalack, National Coordinating Committee, US Palestinian Community Network

Haidar Eid, Gaza

Nada Elia, US Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel

Toufic Haddad

Kathryn Hamoudah

Adam Hanieh, Lecturer, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), London

Mostafa Henaway, Tadamon! Canada

Monadel Herzallah, National Coordinating Committee, US Palestinian Community Network

Nadia Hijab, author and human rights advocate

Andrew Kadi

Hanna Kawas, Chair person, Canada Palestine Association and Co-Host Voice of Palestine

Abir Kobty, Palestinian blogger and activist

Joseph Massad, Professor, Columbia University, NY

Danya Mustafa, Israeli Apartheid Week US National Co-Coordinator & Students for Justice in Palestine- University of New Mexico

Dina Omar, Columbia Students for Justice in Palestine

Haitham Salawdeh, National Coordinating Committee, US Palestinian Community Network

Sobhi Samour, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), London

Khaled Ziada, SOAS Palestine Society, London

Rafeef Ziadah, poet and human rights advocate


http://uspcn.org/2012/03/13/granting-no ... ad-atzmon/

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but Churchill spoke for all of England....didn't he?

all of England hated those Indians...right?

What do you call someone that hates Indians? And actually killed a whole lot of them

Winston Churchill completely omitted from the text of his Nobel Prize-winning, 6-volume treatise The Second World War any mention the 1942-1945 Bengali Holocaust in which he deliberately starved to death 6-7 million Indians.


I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism.
Speaking in the House of Commons, autumn 1937
I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.
Writing as president of the Air Council, 1919

It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.
Commenting on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931

(India is) a godless land of snobs and bores.
In a letter to his mother, 1896

I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place.
Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

and surely Atzmon is on the level of Nixon and Kissinger right?

Sure enough, though dead 16 years, Nixon is back onstage, with the release of a fresh batch of tapes from his Oval Office days. They show him at his omni-bigoted worst, offering one slur after another against the Irish, Italians and blacks. Characteristically, he saved his most potent acid for Jews. “The Jews,” he said, “are just a very aggressive and abrasive and obnoxious personality.”

But Nixon’s hard-wired anti-Semitism is an old story. What has caused many heads to swivel is a recording of Henry A. Kissinger, his national security adviser. Mr. Kissinger is heard telling Nixon in 1973 that helping Soviet Jews emigrate and thus escape oppression by a totalitarian regime — a huge issue at the time — was “not an objective of American foreign policy.”

“And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union,” he added, “it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.”

yeah we all need to be reminded over and over about Atzmon and Campbell because they are soooooo more important than Kissinger Churchill and Nixon...way more powerful


when was the last time Campbell said that he didn't care about putting Jews in gas chambers?


Now tell me again what country Atzmon was the president of?

How many people is he responsible for killing?

The Anti-Defamation League says a 1973 discussion between President Richard M. Nixon and his top foreign policy adviser at the time, Henry Kissinger, released as part of the Nixon tapes archiving project, “shows a disturbing and even callous insensitivity” toward Soviet Jews, “but should not change history’s verdict on the important contributions and ultimate legacy” of Kissinger

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Atzmon.... callous ...but should not change history's verdict

Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said that approach goes too far.

The ADL issued a statement saying that Kissinger’s comments show a “disturbing and even callous insensitivity toward the fate of Soviet Jews” and are a reminder that “even great individuals are flawed.” But, it noted, “Dr. Kissinger’s contributions to the safety and security of the US and Israel have solidly established his legacy as a champion of democracy and as a committed advocate for preserving the well-being of the Jewish state of Israel.”

Foxman elaborated in an interview with JTA.

“He worked in an atmosphere that was intimidatingly anti-Semitic toward Jews,” the ADL leader said of Kissinger. “We need to understand the intimidation under which it occurred.”

maybe Atzmon was just intimidated

oh and don't get me started on that Turkish genocide thingy...that never happened

[Searcher08]

Churchill - an appallingly racist bigoted drunk war criminal AND if you have Hitler's fascist divisions a few miles away, just the man to lead the nation, even while sloshed

[seemslikeadream]

do you know Campbell views on the gas?

thank god we're just odd ...slow starving good enough for us

We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English.
Winston Churchill

Churchill on the Irish question in the House of Commons:

"It is a curious reflection to inquire why Ireland should bulk so largely in our lives. How is it that the great English parties are shaken to their foundations, and even shattered, almost every generation, by contact with Irish affairs? When did Ireland derive its power to drive Mr. Pitt from office, to drag down Mr. Gladstone in the summit of his career and to draw us who sit here almost to the verge of civil war, from which we were only rescued by the outbreak of the Great War? Whence does this mysterious power of Ireland come? It is a small, poor, sparsely populated island, lapped about by British sea power, accessible on every side, without iron or coal. How is it that she sways our councils, shakes our parties, and infects us with great bitterness, convulses our passions, and deranges our action? How is it she has forced generation after generation to stop the whole traffic of the British Empire in order to debate her domestic Affairs? "Ireland is not a daughter State. She is a parent nation. The Irish are an ancient race. 'We are too,' said their plenipotentiaries, 'a far-flung nation.' They are intermingled with the whole life of the Empire, and have interest in every part of the Empire wherever the English language is spoken, especially in these new countries with whom we have to look forward to the greatest friendship and countenance, and where the Irish canker has been at work. How often have we suffered in all these generations from this continued hostility? If we can free ourselves from it, if we can to some extent reconcile the spirit of the Irish nation to the British Empire in the same way as Scotland and Wales have been reconciled, then indeed we shall have secured advantages which may well repay the trouble and uncertainties of the present time."

[American Dream]

Notice how Icke's line supports the odious positions of Shamir, Atzmon et al.

Coincidence?- or conspiracy?- You be the judge!:



The Fuhrer of the Nazi Hippies


David Icke – Class hatred, Nihilism and Narcissism

When footballer David Icke appeared on Terry Wogan’s show in 1991 claiming to be the Son of God there was little sign that he was going to become one of, if not the leading figure in a cult phenomenon. It was fascinating and horrible that somebody who was clearly having some sort of mental breakdown could be allowed to humiliate himself in this way on national television. If someone who was that obviously ill appeared on a similar show today the presenters would rightly be castigated for mocking and letting the audience laugh at his delusions. Watching the interview today is like watching some sort of car crash TV, something that could, unfortunately, be applied to the rest of his “career”, although for very different reasons.

What I aim to do in this blog is to present the facts so you can connect the dots, as he himself would say, and make up your own mind about Icke and his theories. I think that the evidence of David Icke’s own words and actions shows that he is not ill and worthy of pity or for that matter a brave “truth-seeker” – he is a vicious anti-semite, a liar and a charlatan and this post will aim to prove it. His politics are the politics of elitism, nihilism and narcissism, a vacuous self help philosophy about “freeing your mind” and “consciousness” as though he is some sort of life coach. The sheeple will fall into line, they’re just software programmes on legs ready to be manipulated by anyone, whether that’s the lizards or the truth seekers.

Of course, if you challenge him on any of this you’re just “solid gold programmed”, as opposed to the “open, awake” people who have watched his videos and know where he’s coming from. As if the only explanation for rejecting him and his politics is because you are a zombie. Unwashed scum, “little girls in women’s bodies” with “big gobs” who need to know their place, who have been pre-programmed to reject him and everything he says. Watch this video and look at the class hatred dripping off it at the start as he sets his fans up for the abuse he receives from the “morons” and the “robot radicals” as they mouth off at him. Obeying their masters because they obviously have no independent thoughts of their own. Because that’s what these “software programmes on legs” do, as opposed to rich blokes in suits who earn a handsome living flying round the world doing talks about matters which are “too deep” for them to understand.



He claims that everything relating to his anti-semitism has been taken out of context. He complains that these “little girls” are taking out of context quotes and turning them into something different. All these people are a personification of “how the world is controlled by a tiny group of people who manipulate the masses.” Let’s see shall we.


The “Illuminati Protocols”

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the “classics” of anti-semitic literature. It supposedly written from the point of view of Jews planning to take over the world. Created by the Tsarist secret police and spread about by pogromschiki (paid agitators who were fuckin paid to start pogroms in the last days of Tsarist Russia) you might think that anyone who takes such a work seriously is dodgy at best. Hitler took it as fact and the Nazi regime frequently referred to it, in fact there was even a trial in Switzerland in 1935 with Nazi lawyers involved to determine whether or not it was real. It is a plagiarism based on a mixture of various fictional and satirical works, none of whose authors knew what purpose their writing would be put to. The book “Warrant for Genocide” by Norman Cohn goes into detail about the origins and history of this laughable fairy story which was used to justify the genocide of Europe’s Jews and was used to justify the Second World War itself, as the Nazis claimed that Jews were controlling the Allied governments.

So it is slightly unusual for someone who claims not to be an anti-semite to make such extensive use of this forgery in his writing. In his early work such as the Robots’ Rebellion Icke quotes extensively from the Protocols and other anti-semitic texts. He gets around accusations of anti-semitism (sort of) by claiming that the Protocols are actually the “Illuminati Protocols” and that they were blamed on the Jews by the people who really control the world.

However, this claim does not really stand up to scrutiny. A search for “illuminati protocols” on Icke’s website reveals this page in the first couple of results.

‘The Rothschilds were Sabbatean-Frankists. This Satanic movement gave birth to the Illuminati, Communism and the NWO. It controls the world today. But ironically, while many Illuminati pretend to be Jews, they actually wish to destroy Jews who earlier had excommunicated and vilified them. Thus, there is an unrecognized schism in the Jewish people, where heretics have exterminated the mainstream and taken control of the remnant through Zionism. Yet, due to the anti-Semitism the Illuminati Jews cause and organize, Jews mistakenly cling to their leadership.

The Nazi hierarchy was probably of Frankist origin. We’ll look at this evidence later. But first we’ll examine what Rabbi Plaut, who was President of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said about their holocaust plan.’

The Sabbatarians were Hungarians, probably the majority working class peasants, who adopted Judaism as their religion in the 1700s and 1800s. Many, if not most of them were accepted as Jews by the Jewish community. The majority of them were murdered in the holocaust.

There was a “false messiah” called Sabbetai Zvi who lived a few hundred years prior to that which Icke may be thinking of. However, he moved to Turkey and converted to Islam, leaving behind a tiny sect with no relevance at all to anything – his followers mostly became Muslims at the same time as he did and their descendants today may not even be aware of their family history. Certainly any descendants of theirs, being in Turkey, were unlikely to have been anywhere near the holocaust when it was happening.

It is clear that Icke wants to blame the holocaust on a conspiracy to do with the Jews, who he claims he thinks are the “fake” Jews and not the real ones. However whether they are real or fake really makes no difference. It sounds anti-semitic and even if it’s not the people he’s slandering were entirely innocent. If I was being cynical (I am btw) I would say he concocted this entire “fake Jews” idea with the intention of claiming he’s not anti-semitic. On his discussions on the Protocols he talks about “Jewish and non-Jewish conspirators”. Jews and non Jews = everyone. So why not just say “conspirators”?

Dodgy views about the Holocaust

His claims about “rothschilds” being responsible for the Second World War, and thus the holocaust, match very closely what was said at the time by the Nazis about the Rothschilds funding world wars. They even made a film about them!



In any case, the idea of a group of shadowy conspirators behind the war isn’t exactly new. David Icke can talk about “Rothschilds” “lizards”, “zionists” and “illuminati” all he wants, and claim that his writings have nothing to do with Jews. But why don’t you connect the dots?

This is the cartoon he posted on his website about the World Jewish Congress’s call to try and criminalise holocaust denial (a call which btw I disagree with):



Nothing anti-semitic at all about that, is there?

On previous occasions he has defended the holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, author of those seminal, scholarly works “Did Six Million Really Die?” and “The Hitler We Loved and Why”. He even says “Ernst Zundels words proven true – see for yourself!”

I thought Hitler was a Rothschild? I thought he was part of the conspiracy – that obviously had nothing whatsoever to do with Jews, the idea that it is is merely being “programmed” into sheeple with “big gobs”! So why is he talking this way about somebody who clearly worships Hitler and even saying he is “proved right”? His whole thing about the conspiracy not being a Jewish one couldnt possibly be a ploy to convince people he’s not anti-semitic, could it?

In his book “…and the truth shall set you free,” he has talked about copies of Schindler’s List being distributed to schools in order to brainwash school children with an “unchallenged view” of the events of World War II. Of all the countless historically inaccurate films that are produced by Hollywood every year, whether it is U-571 or Braveheart, why pick on this particular film?

My God what would a “challenged view” look like? Oy vey!

“I’ve brought in my grandad’s medals from the War when he liberated the camps”

“That’s great – but for homework tonight, watch this two-hour DVD about how your grandad didn’t liberate anyone, and it was all done with holograms”?

To challenge the dominant consensus which simply presents an “unchallenged view” of the planets orbiting around the sun, perhaps we should show children this website, which demonstrates with scientific and Biblical proof that the earth doesn’t move in the sky because it was put there by God, and all the stars and planets move around it. The guy who produced it isn’t too keen on the Jews either, so Icke shouldn’t have a problem with that. Enough of that NASA propaganda and the so-called Hubble Space Telescope!

Or perhaps when learning about geography, rather than programme them with all that software programming, we should show them the true, unbiased picture and help them to make their own minds up by counteracting all those mainstream, “scientifically acceptable” maps of the world and making them study a copy of “100 Proofs Earth is Not a Globe“. It wouldn’t at all be a complete, pointless waste of our time and theirs, it would be helping them overcome the programming of the system and feel the truth vibrations, maaan.

Dee’s is for Disingenuous

On the link I quoted earlier about David Icke complaining about the World Jewish Congress and it’s stance on holocaust denial, we find something rather interesting. Much of what Icke posts is links to external sites. If you click on this particular external site, you discover something surprising.

Headings around the side of the “Ugly Truth” blog which he has copied and pasted the words from include such beacons of tolerance as “The real face of Judaism and Zionism”. Either he takes a complete lack of care as to which sources he uses in his articles, in which case he’s not much of a “truth seeker” if he is too fecking lazy to look at the websites he’s citing, or he’s actually endorsing those views himself.

The “Ugly Truth” blog where Icke gets his holocaust denial story – found under the heading “illuminati criminals” has this as its logo:



Yeah. Right. It’s all about lizards. How dare you insult his important research! Get a brain, morans! Open your mind!

Now no doubt there will be those who at this point are going, “But you’re just trying to smear him by association!” let me ask you this. If you have somebody who is routinely copying and pasting stories from websites of that nature and giving these people a platform on their website, boosting their search rankings and so on, would you not think there was something rather suspicious about all their claims to simply be exposing the truth?

David Icke doesn’t copy and paste from their websites. He endorses what they say. He claims “the truth is anti-semitic”. He regularly goes on the shows of people like Jeff Rense, the wife-beating nutcase who looks like the bastard love-child of Bjorn from Abba and Josef Fritzl whose radio show is linked to on the front page of fucking Jew Watch, the website which Google had to apologise about a few years ago because it was showing up in their search results. If he’s not a racist then why is he continually giving these people a platform and allowing them to give him one?

Then, of course, there’s his illustrator, the guy who designs the cartoons and images on his site. The Dees Illustration Studio. Have a look around if you can stomach it. Every picture on the site seems to be about Jews, the front page of it shows Marx with a star of David on his coat and other images on the site show Israel depicted as a snake in the Middle East with a star of david on it. This picture is just mad as revisionists like David Irving are depicted as being superheroes pushing over police cars.

I er.

I just don’t know what to say about this picture. Except that I’m quite glad I’ve never tried whatever it was they were taking when they designed it.



Nice guy this, huh?

David Icke’s illustrator has also illustrated a book called “Synagogue Rising” which is about “anti-Christian Judaism” and claims on its back cover that “our fight is with the conspiratorial and not the common Jew”. I wonder whether I could find out whether I’m a “conspiratorial” Jew or just a “common” one. Is there a test you can do on the internet? Hilariously it also tries to answer the question “why some Jews identify themselves as people of the serpent”. Just before the Torah is read and everyone is sitting comfortably, out comes some dude with a box of rattlesnakes for people to “test their faith” with. I suppose it would get everyone grateful to God they were alive at the end of the service.

David Icke’s forums another piece of evidence that belie his claims that he loves humanity and wants everyone to free their mind from the matrix. They are crawling with neo-Nazis, promoters of the Protocols and there is currently a thread in their general forum with openly pro-Hitler material in it. Several posters have signatures about Jews and the Protocols. He even claims that the Royal Family are secretly part of the “Illuminati” and are sacrificing children and drinking their blood!

Projection much?

Icke says that:

“Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It’s time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews.”

Yet we then get this. And this. Are these “chosen people” the fake Jews or the real ones David?

ETA: Jews create anti-semitism by their own behaviour and “thought-patterns” (And the Truth will Set you Free, p.126):

The conditioned thought patterns in the collective Jewish mind have repeatedly created the physical reality of oppression, prejudice, and racism which matches the pattern – the expectation – programmed into their collective psyche. They expect it; they create it. When Jewish people as a whole break free from the mind control of their hierarchy and start to let go of those feelings of fear and expectation of prejudice, they will stop attracting such experiences to them.

Translation: “Those fucking kikes bring it on themselves by whining about being persecuted all the time. If they didn’t behave like this we wouldn’t have to be racist. They expect it. They create it. They ask for it.” The cry of every entitled superior little scumbag throughout the world seeking to justify their bullying of and violence towards those weaker than them, whether it’s racism or women who “ask for it” by walking down the street wearing the wrong clothes.

Yes, if only I would allow myself to be who I really am and join the Nazi hippies and their Fuhrer on a jolly to Peru “where it all began” or to stand around a field in Watford scaring myself silly about chemtrails, vaccines and the symbolism on money, and behave like all the other well-adjusted, healthy Jewish people who agree with him such as Gilad Atzmon and “Brother Nathaniel” the pitiful formerly Jewish Orthodox Priest, linked to on Icke’s mate Jeff Rense’s website, who tries to convince passer-bys in the street that Hitler was right and his former co-religionists was the source of all the world’s ills.

Life would be so much easier.

It is ironic and slightly sad to watch somebody who talks constantly about how they and their holocaust-denying mates are persecuted and whine on about how “some people think that I’m in it for the money” accuse others of having a paranoia and persecution complex. It is even more pathetic to see someone accuse the Jews of being arrogant whereas they are quite happy to make up fact-free claims about the grieving family members of victims of terrorist attacks, that they have been paid off, that they have been hypnotised – and promote a tour to Peru where people can discover where he had the “experience” that led him down this path in the first place. As if anyone would want to do that. Why would you create and promote a tour ABOUT YOURSELF as though you are some spiritual guru ffs?

As if this is not enough he has a twitter account advertising his talks in Ukraine, a country where anti-semitic attacks and discrimination are extremely common, to go and stir up hatred like the parasitic, amoral slimeball that he is.

I guess the same sort of person with the same stunning lack of care for others who claimed with no evidence whatsoever that Sandy Hook or the Woolwich murder was a false flag – and that family members and friends of the victims were in on the conspiracy – in order to sell more of their “premium content”, plainly no empathy for anyone but themselves.

Here we have somebody repeating all the tedious old myths about Jews being rich and obsessed with money, while charging users money for the “premium” content on his website, his book, T-shirt and DVD sales, and charging £25 for tickets to his shows while travelling around the world telling everyone how controlled they are. Following his divorce, people began to get a hint of what kind of wealth he might be hiding. Yeah, there’s no hint of projection here.

Even without the despicable anti-semitism Icke promotes a worldview which is fundamentally elitist and anti-working class. He aims to teach his followers that they are the elite who have broken the programming of the system and that the “masses” have no agency or thoughts of their own, that they can just be manipulated at will rather than acting in their own interests. Only those who can see the truth like he can can lead us into the glorious new dawn. He has no interest in changing the structure of society – only in claiming to want to overthrow the elite so that people like him can rule as the new elite. You can overthrow the “global fascist state” by “freeing your mind” and buying his merchandise and his racist, anti-working class, neo-liberal philosophy – in other words there is no sense of collective struggle and if you aren’t like him and don’t come to the same conclusions as him you’re just a zombie, a software programme on legs not worth bothering about. He displays the same contempt for humanity as the ruling class he pretends to oppose.


http://disillusionedmarxist.wordpress.c ... nt-page-1/

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oh no he's getting really upset now... ....time to bring out the Icke again

how many people has Icke killed? remind me AD ...was it 4 million .....6 million?

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I dont think Shamir even knows who Shamir is, and I trust Norman Finkelstein for accuracy and he said everything Shamirs said about his life is a lie. He just seems like someone who has schitzophrenia to me. Or is a spook or both.

Curiously, he has been heavily involved in WikiLeaks

He is still, though, much less influential than Wolf Blitzer.

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He is still, though, much less influential than Wolf Blitzer.

[American Dream]

David Icke is a Neo-Nazi (Part One): Fascist Conspiracy Theories

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... -nazi.html

" ... Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory [in Robots' Rebellion], alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy. ... "

http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm


Re: "...and the truth shall set you free." - "The book repeated Icke's previous claims that the Protocols were true, and went on to state: 'I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War.... They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament.'"

http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm


Wikipedia: "Icke has cited white supremacist, neo-Nazi and other far-right publications in his books. British journalist Simon Jones notes that the bibliography of … And the Truth Shall Set You Free lists The Spotlight, formerly published by the now-defunct Liberty Lobby, and which Icke calls "excellent," and On Target, published by the Australian League of Rights, which has organised speaking tours for Holocaust denier David Irving. Jones writes: "It's tempting to dismiss David Icke as a confused and ignorant man, manipulated by extremists in order to present their philosophy in a socially acceptable format. But Icke clearly understands the implications of his words."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

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[Searcher08]

Something tells me we are going to get Part 2...

I'm not sure what you REALLY think about David Icke.

Why have you have left out his connections with Ron Paul and Alex Jones and Jeff Rense and especially well known revisionist front organisations Leicester City Football Club and the Isle of Wight Steam Train Appreciation Society.

How was it possible to hide a rabid virulent drooling batshit insane moonbat fruitcake fascist in plain site?
Answer: Comrade CopyPasta



Please post more - there isnt enough material on Icke. We dont know enough about him. Maybe you could start *another* Icke thread! There just HASNT been enough discussion about him.


Fighting Annunaki on R.I. since 1879

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Please. This is not 4Chan.

A bunch of .gifs is just noise. Please stop.

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calling Mr. Build A. Burger...calling Mr. Build A. Burger

for duty and humanity