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Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:23 am

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out in the USA. Wonder if the USA will take Gulen into custody and transport to Turkey? Dooubt that will happen.

I read contrasting reports this AM that 188 or over 2000 judges had been removed from office in Turkey.

Turkish PM: Any country that stands by cleric Gulen will be at war with Turkey

Source: Reuters

Any country that stands by the Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen will not be a friend of Turkey and will be considered at war with the NATO member, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said on Saturday.

The government said that followers of Gulen, who has been living in self-imposed exile in the United States for years, were behind the attempted coup by a faction of the military on Friday.

The government accuses Gulen of trying to build a "parallel structure" within the judiciary, education system, media and military as a way to overthrow the state, a charge the cleric denies.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... ce=twitter

Kerry: US will examine role of Gulen

Secretary of State John Kerry said that the United States will assist Turkey in the investigation of a failed coup and invited Ankara to share any evidence it has against a US-based opposition figure Fethullah Gulen.

Speaking in Luxembourg, Kerry said Washington had not yet received a formal extradition bid for the expatriate cleric, but added: "We fully anticipate that there will be questions raised about Mr Gulen."

Gulen, a reclusive Islamic preacher with a worldwide following who is regularly accused of a behind the scenes role in Turkish politics, lives in a tiny town in the Pocono Mountains of the US state of Pennsylvania.

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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:37 am

Turkey has closed the airspace and cut power to the Incirlik air base. The USA stores nukes there.

I have not seen a mention of where the jets and helicopters flown by the coupsters were based, Recall that when Zelaya was couped in Honduras he was flown out of the country with a stop for refueling at the USA Airbase in Honduras and there were initially inconsistent statements out of the State Department and White House.

http://www.wptz.com/national/urgent-tur ... e/40740900

URGENT - Turkey Incirlik Air Base

Published 8:33 AM EDT Jul 16, 2016

(CNN) -- Power to Turkey's Incirlik Air Base in Adana has been cut, the U.S. consulate in Turkey said Saturday. Local authorities are preventing movement onto and off the base, according to the consulate, which warned U.S. citizens to avoid the air base until normal operations are restored.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/754301157774884864

Turkish military authorities have now closed the airspace around Incirlik Air Base, U.S. official says

U.S. troops use this base to conduct counter-ISIS operations

CNN ‏@CNN · 2h2 hours ago

Turkey's Incirlik Air Base has been sealed and the power cut off, says U.S. consulate http://cnn.it
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:46 am

“fourth customer” of A.Q. Khan.
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

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Mid-Late 1990s: Pakistani-Based Proliferation Network Begins to Use Turkish Fronts in USEdit event
A Pakistani-based proliferation network centered around nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan and the ISI intelligence agency begins to use Turkish fronts to acquire technology in the US. This move is made because it is thought Turks are less likely to attract suspicion than Pakistanis. At one point the operation is headed by ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed. According to FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, intercepted communications show Mahmood and his colleagues stationed in Washington are in constant contact with attachés at the Turkish embassy. Edmonds will also say that venues such as the American Turkish Council (ATC), a Washington-based lobby group, are used for handovers, and packages containing nuclear secrets are then delivered by Turkish operatives, using their cover as members of the diplomatic and military community, to contacts at the Pakistani embassy in Washington. Edmonds will also allege: “Certain greedy Turkish operators would make copies of the material and look around for buyers. They had agents who would find potential buyers.” [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008]

(1997-2002): State Department Official Allegedly Helps Turkish and Israelis Plant ‘Moles’ in Nuclear FacilitiesEdit event
An unnamed high-ranking State Department official helps a nuclear smuggling ring connected to Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan and Pakistan’s ISI to plant “moles” in US military and academic institutions that handle nuclear technology, according to FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. Edmonds will later leave the FBI, becoming a whistleblower, and say she knows this based on telephone conversations she translated shortly after 9/11. The moles, mostly Ph.D students, are planted by Turkish and Israeli elements in the network, which obtains nuclear technology for Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program and for re-sale by Khan. Edmonds will later say she thinks there are several transactions of nuclear material every month: “I heard at least three transactions like this over a period of 2½ years. There are almost certainly more.” She will also say that the network appears to obtain information “from every nuclear agency in the United States.” The State Department official apparently arranges security clearance for some of the moles, enabling them to work in sensitive nuclear research facilities, including the Los Alamos nuclear laboratory in New Mexico, which is responsible for the security of the US nuclear deterrent. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008] The high-ranking State Department official who is not named by Britain’s Sunday Times is said to be Marc Grossman by both Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story and former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, writing in the American Conservative. [RAW STORY, 1/20/2008; AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, 1/28/2008; AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, 11/1/2009]

(April 1997): Wilson and Plame Meet at American-Turkish Council ReceptionEdit event
Former US ambassador Joe Wilson and CIA officer Valerie Plame meet for the first time at a reception held at the Turkish ambassador’s residence. Wilson is a political adviser to the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces in Europe. Plame describes herself as an “energy executive living in Brussels.” Wilson and Plame will marry a year later and will become involved in the “Plame Affair,” when Plame’s affiliation with the CIA is disclosed in the media (see July 14, 2003). After her marriage, Plame will generally be referred to by the name Plame Wilson. Wilson, who is accompanied by General James Jamerson, is there to receive an award from the American-Turkish Council. The reason for Plame’s presence there is not known. [WILSON, 2004, PP. 239-242, 273] However, the American-Turkish Council will later be said to be involved in the smuggling of nuclear weapons material to Turkey and other countries (see Late 1990s-Early 2001 and Mid-Late 1990s), and Plame’s job at the CIA is in its non-proliferation section (see Late February 1999), so she may be there for operational reasons. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008; SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/27/2008]

2000-2001: Nuclear Proliferation Network Penetrates Pentagon with Help of Senior OfficialsEdit event
A nuclear proliferation network operating in the US penetrates the Pentagon and related institutions, according to FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds. Edmonds will later leave the FBI and say she knows this based on telephone conversations she translated as a part of an FBI investigation. The network, which is run by Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan, but also includes Turkish and Israeli elements, is allegedly helped by a number of senior officials in the Pentagon. Edmonds will later say: “The [senior officials] provided lists of potential moles from Pentagon-related institutions who had access to databases concerning this information. The handlers, who were part of the diplomatic community, would then try to recruit those people to become moles for the network. The lists contained all their ‘hooking points,’ which could be financial or sexual pressure points, their exact job in the Pentagon and what stuff they had access to.” One of the Pentagon figures that is a target of the FBI investigation is Larry Franklin, an analyst who will be jailed in 2006 for passing US defense information to lobbyists and sharing classified information with an Israeli diplomat. According to Edmonds, Franklin is “one of the top people providing information and packages during 2000 and 2001.” [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008]

Summer-Autumn 2001: State Department Official Allegedly Tips Off Nuclear Smuggling Ring about CIA Front CompanyEdit event
Marc Grossman at an American-Turkish Council meeting in 2005.
Marc Grossman at an American-Turkish Council meeting in 2005. [Source: Canal+]
An unnamed high-ranking State Department official tips off members of a nuclear smuggling ring about a CIA operation to penetrate it, according to FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. Edmonds will later leave the FBI, becoming a whistleblower, and will say she knows this based on telephone conversations she translated. The ring is headed by Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan, and includes Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency, as well as Turkish and Israeli representatives. The official is said to tell a member of the ring that a company the ring wants to do business with, Brewster Jennings & Associates, is a CIA front company. Brewster Jennings & Associates is a front for Valerie Plame Wilson, who will later be outed as a CIA officer in 2003, and possibly other operatives. A group of Turkish agents come to the US on the pretext of researching alternative energy sources and are introduced to Brewster Jennings through a lobby group, the American Turkish Council (ATC). The Turks apparently believe Brewster Jennings are energy consultants and plan to hire them. According to Edmonds, the State Department official finds out about this and contacts a foreign target under FBI surveillance, telling him, “[Y]ou need to stay away from Brewster Jennings because they are a cover for the government.” The FBI target then warns several people about Brewster Jennings, including a person at the ATC and an ISI agent, and Plame Wilson is moved to another operation.
Comments and Denial - The Sunday Times will comment: “If the ISI was made aware of the CIA front company, then this would almost certainly have damaged the investigation into the activities of Khan. Plame [Wilson]‘s cover would also have been compromised, although Edmonds never heard her name mentioned on the intercepts.” The unnamed State Department official will deny the allegations, calling them “false and malicious.” Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi will comment: “It’s pretty clear Plame [Wilson] was targeting the Turks. If indeed that [State Department] official was working with the Turks to violate US law on nuclear exports, it would have been in his interest to alert them to the fact that this woman’s company was affiliated to the CIA. I don’t know if that’s treason legally but many people would consider it to be.” [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/27/2008]

Summer 2001: State Department Official Allegedly Receives Bribe from Nuclear Proliferation NetworkEdit event
An unnamed high-ranking State Department official is said to receive a $15,000 bribe around this time in connection with assistance he provides to a nuclear smuggling ring run by Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan (see (1997-2002) and Summer-Autumn 2001), according to FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. Edmonds will later leave the FBI, becoming a whistleblower, and will say she knows this based on telephone conversations she translated. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/27/2008] According to an intercepted phone call, the package is to be dropped off at an agreed location by someone in the Turkish diplomatic community who is working for the network. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008] The high-ranking State Department official who is not named by the Sunday Times is said to be Marc Grossman by both Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story and former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, writing in the American Conservative.

After September 11, 2001: High-Ranking State Department Official Allegedly Arranges Release of Four 9/11 SuspectsEdit event
An unnamed high-ranking official at the State Department arranges the release of four foreign operatives that have been taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the 9/11 attacks, according to FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. Edmonds will later leave the FBI, becoming a whistleblower, and say she knows this based on telephone conversations she translated. Edmonds will say that the target of an FBI investigation into a nuclear smuggling ring calls the official, indicates names of people who have been taken into custody since 9/11, and says, “We need to get them out of the US because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans.” The official says he will “take care of it,” and the four suspects on the list are released from interrogation and extradited. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008] The names of the four suspects are not known, but one of the lead 9/11 hijackers, Marwan Alshehhi, and the sister of another, Mohamed Atta, will later be associated with the target of an FBI investigation connected to nuclear sciences, so this could possibly be a reference to this person (see July 1999). The high-ranking State Department official who is not named in the Sunday Times article is said to be Marc Grossman by both Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story and former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, writing in the American Conservative. [RAW STORY, 1/20/2008; AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, 1/28/2008]

Autumn 2001: FBI Hires Daughter of Pakistani Spy, Despite Internal ProtestsEdit event
The FBI hires Hadia Roberts, the daughter of a former Pakistani general who is thought to have worked as a spy in the US, despite objections by the FBI agent that vets her. John Cole, manager of the FBI national counter-intelligence program for India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, says he is alerted to her by the personnel security officer, who thinks the woman might not be suitable as an Urdu translator.
Alarming Information - Cole examines the file and “it stuck out a mile: she was the daughter of a retired Pakistani general who had been their military attaché in Washington.” Cole is aware that “[e]very single military attaché they’ve ever assigned has been a known intelligence officer.” [VANITY FAIR, 9/2005; ANTIWAR (.COM), 10/8/2005; SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008] In addition, several hits appear for her father’s name when it is run through the FBI’s computer and at one time he had been the subject of an FBI investigation, which is “an alarming piece of information that was somehow overlooked in the preliminary background check.” Further, the former attaché spends six months in the US a year, and Cole will later comment, “He’s got a lot of friends that are still there in military intelligence, and he more than likely talks to them frequently, living there as he does six months out of the year.” What is more, the results of Roberts’ polygraph examination are inconclusive, so Cole recommends she not be hired.
Hired Anyway - However, a week later she is given a job, top secret security clearance, and access to sensitive compartmentalized information. Colleagues say that Roberts frequently boasts her father is a retired general and say she is such an Islamic “zealot” that she tries to convert her colleagues to Islam. [SPERRY, 2005, PP. 155-8] A few weeks later, an FBI field office finds that classified information has been provided to Pakistanis, but it is not known who leaked it, although an investigation will determine that it must have been either the technical agent or one of the Urdu translators. Roberts will still be translating Urdu for the FBI in July 2005, when this incident is first mentioned in the press. [SPERRY, 2005, PP. 155-8; VANITY FAIR, 9/2005; ANTIWAR (.COM), 10/8/2005] Around this time the FBI is investigating a nuclear technology smuggling ring headed by Pakistani intelligence and allegedly assisted by top US officials (see Mid-Late 1990s, (1997-2002), and 2000-2001).

January 6, 2008 and After: Sunday Times Runs Series of Sibel Edmonds StoriesEdit event
The Sunday Times runs a series of articles about FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, detailing allegations made by Edmonds about Turkish and US involvement in the A. Q. Khan nuclear smuggling ring, as well as money laundering, drugs, and conventional weapons. Some allegations made by Edmonds were previously discussed in the press, but many remained secret; she divulges more to Sunday Times now because, after having unsuccessfully attempted to pursue her case through the courts and Congress, she has become “disillusioned with the US authorities’ failure to act.”
Allegations against State Department and Pentagon Officials - The allegations center on an unnamed former high-ranking State Department official, who is said to have received money from Turkish nuclear smugglers, and on other household names who served at the Pentagon. Edmonds says, “He [the State Department official] was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives.” She adds, “If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials.” The former State Department official says: “If you are calling me to say somebody said that I took money, that’s outrageous… I do not have anything to say about such stupid ridiculous things as this.”
"Overlapping Corroboration" - The Sunday Times says that it spoke to two FBI agents and two CIA officers who worked on nuclear proliferation while researching the story, and, “While none was aware of specific allegations against officials she names, they did provide overlapping corroboration of Edmonds’s story.” One of the CIA sources confirms that Turkey did acquire nuclear secrets from the US and shared them with Pakistan and Israel, saying: “We have no indication that Turkey has its own nuclear ambitions. But the Turks are traders. To my knowledge they became big players in the late 1990s.” [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/6/2008; SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/20/2008; SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/27/2008]
Official Said to be Marc Grossman - The high-ranking State Department official who is not named in the Sunday Times articles, possibly due to libel law considerations, is said to be Marc Grossman by both Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story and former CIA officer Phillip Giraldi, writing in the American Conservative. [RAW STORY, 1/20/2008; AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, 1/28/2008]

Before January 20, 2008: Anonymous Letter Makes Allegations about State Department Official over Nuclear SmugglingEdit event
A human rights organization called the Liberty Coalition receives an anonymous letter regarding the involvement of high-ranking US officials in an FBI-monitored nuclear smuggling ring linked to Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan. The letter makes a number of allegations about the ring, some of which corroborate similar allegations previously made by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds. For example, the letter names a high-ranking State Department official, who it says was recorded speaking to a counterpart at the Turkish embassy between August and December 2001. During this time the official passed on a warning that the smuggling ring should not deal with Brewster Jennings & Associates, as it was a CIA front (see Summer-Autumn 2001). The letter also says that Turkish FBI surveillance targets talked to agents of Pakistan’s ISI based at the Pakistani embassy in Washington, and that “operatives” at the American-Turkish Council (ATC) were also monitored. The tip-off instructs the Coalition to submit a Freedom of Information Request for the specific file number, but the FBI will say that the file does not exist (see January 20, 2008). [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/20/2008] The high-ranking State Department official who is not named in the Sunday Times is said to be Marc Grossman by both Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story and former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, writing in the American Conservative. [RAW STORY, 1/20/2008; AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, 1/28/2008]

January 20, 2008: FBI Denies Existence of Alleged Nuclear Smuggling FileEdit event
The FBI is accused of covering up a key case file containing evidence against corrupt government officials involved in a nuclear smuggling ring. The case file’s number is allegedly 203A-WF-210023, but the FBI denies it exists in response to a Freedom of Information Act request specifically for a file with that number. The request was made by the Liberty Coalition, a human rights group, based on an anonymous tip-off (see Before January 20, 2008). However, the Sunday Times obtains a document signed by an FBI official saying that the case file does exist. FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds also says that the file exists, that she previously discussed its contents with Congressional committees, and that the denial by the FBI is an “outright lie.” According to Edmonds, the file “refers to the counterintelligence program that the [Justice Department] has declared to be a state secret to protect sensitive diplomatic relations.” An FBI spokesman contacted by the Sunday Times is not familiar with the case file but comments, “if the FBI says it doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist.” [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 1/20/2008]

January 22, 2008: British Journalist Notes US Media Ignoring Sibel Edmonds ScoopEdit event
Roy Greenslade, a media commentator with The Guardian, wonders why the US media is ignoring revelations by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, who says that there are links between US officials and the A. Q. Khan nuclear smuggling ring (see January 6, 2008 and After). Greenslade also quotes former Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg: “For the second time in two weeks, the entire US press has let itself be scooped by Rupert Murdoch’s London Sunday Times on a dynamite story of criminal activities by corrupt US officials promoting nuclear proliferation. But there is a worse journalistic sin than being scooped, and that is participating in a cover-up of information that demands urgent attention from the public, the US Congress and the courts.” Greenslade calls it a “very hot story” and “world exclusive,” and says it “should surely have been taken up by mainstream newspapers in the United States.” [GUARDIAN, 1/22/2008] One of the few US media outlets that picks up the story initially is Fox News, which reports on one of the claims made in the Sunday Times—that the FBI has denied it has a file on the nuclear smuggling case in response to a Freedom of Information Act, whereas Edmonds says it does have the file, as does a document signed by an FBI official that has been obtained by the Sunday Times (see January 20, 2008). [FOX NEWS, 1/20/2008] The Dallas Morning News will also reprint a section of an article about Edmonds in February. The article was originally written for the American Conservative Magazine by former CIA officer Philip Giraldi. [DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 2/17/2008]

October 30, 2009: Former Deputy Secretary of State to Head American-Turkish CouncilEdit event
The American-Turkish Council (ATC) announces that its board of directors has elected former US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage to become its chairman. Armitage will replace former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, who has served as chairman for nine years and will soon retire. According to a statement by the board, Armitage will take office on January 1, 2010. The ATC says it thinks Armitage will strengthen the business, defense, trade, investment, foreign policy, and cultural relations between the United States and Turkey. He and Scowcroft will travel to Turkey on November 16-20 for senior-level discussions with Turkey’s government, military, and business leadership. [WORLD BULLETIN, 12/8/2008]

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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby tapitsbo » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:16 pm

FWIW I noticed Russian propaganda cites Edmonds. Obviously that is not an endorsement of "Western" media but it does raise questions.
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Postby tapitsbo » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:48 pm

Pro-Erdogan loyalists attacking HDP offices now
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby backtoiam » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:54 pm

Savvy Turk is not buying the bullshit.

https://youtu.be/0hBXErp8gE4

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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:00 pm

0_0 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:12 am wrote:I'm glad there isn't full out civil war, but damn it's weird how they just gave up like that. There was an expert at a loss for words last night on the live Skynews stream when they first showed that clip of people all ducking together for gunfire like it was choreographed. He literally used the word "choreographed" if i remember correctly. Asked what he thought about the clip he was silent for a long time and then remarked: "that was... weird, it looks like it was choreographed".




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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:10 pm

Nordic, you are the one who did start that crisis actor thread awhile back.
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby 0_0 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:19 pm

Yeh sure, it's stupid to be very suspicious of this whole thing.. it's not just the ducking btw but also the shots going nowhere and the booing.. and like i said the expert on skynews was also taken aback by it. And he's not the only one suspecting this was not much more than a staged show, or as Erdogan himself called it "a gift from Allah", to be used as an excuse for draconian "counter"measures.
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:20 pm

82_28 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:10 pm wrote:Nordic, you are the one who did start that crisis actor thread awhile back.


What does that have to do with this? Nada. These people are clearly reacting to a very loud noise, together, reflexively. For anyone to think that this is "choreographed" is one of the stupidest things ever.

And my thread about "crisis actors" was to rigorously dive into the possibility of them existing, not to point at EVERY SINGLE VICTIM OF A TRAGEDY and scream "CRISIS ACTOR!" which has turned into some sort of brain-dead FAD in the US these days.

I could accidentally back my car into a parking meter these days in a crowded city street and thousands of people would start screaming "FALSE FLAG ATTACK"!

It's out of control.
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:22 pm

0_0 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:19 pm wrote:Yeh sure, it's stupid to be very suspicious of this whole thing.. it's not just the ducking btw but also the shots going nowhere and the booing.. and like i said the expert on skynews was also taken aback by it. And he's not the only one suspecting this was not much more than a staged show, or as Erdogan himself called it "a gift from Allah", to be used as an excuse for draconian "counter"measures.


Being suspicious doesn't mean being completely fucking stupid. You can't judge sound from a recording. Whatever device you are playing back in, no matter how good, is not going to reproduce the dynamic range of what might have been at the scene. A crowd of dogs or chickens would have responded the same way. It's called a reflex. Sky "news" people are fucking idiots too.
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Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:25 pm

Oh I understand that, homie. I didn't watch it cos I don't want to. I just took it as what 0_0 perceived.
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby 0_0 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:30 pm

I don't perceive it as being crisis actors, but maybe some of the low level military were told it was some sort of drill/exercise, so they could put out some video of the so-called coup, then a couple of other units in on the plan made some real victims to make it real, the crowd turned on the nonplussed military and talked them out of their tanks to be whipped by belts and now possibly face the death penalty.
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Re: Let's talk Turkey

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:39 pm

0_0 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:30 pm wrote:I don't perceive it as being crisis actors, but maybe some of the low level military were told it was some sort of drill/exercise, so they could put out some video of the so-called coup, then a couple of other units in on the plan made some real victims to make it real, the crowd turned on the nonplussed military and talked them out of their tanks to be whipped by belts and now possibly face the death penalty.


Now you're not talking about people ducking in unison but something else.

Changing the subject completely.
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