Thread for Elvis

[82_28]

I cannot surmount this any longer. No person has been wronged in the "actions" I took. I took actions to include and not exclude. I took actions (again just judicious mouse clicks) to un un include people because I saw no fucking reason. I err on the side of kindness. I am sorry for this wayward reasoning, however understanding disagreements and their existences are sometimes unacceptable. I do not follow that path. I cannot think for anyone but I can nudge fairness to the best of my ability. Keep 'em coming, you'll simply get another excuse in which you think you are a better judge of character in lieu of me already saying, once again, that you are your own moderator.

[MacCruiskeen]

I cannot surmount this any longer. No person has been wronged in the "actions" I took. I took actions to include and not exclude. I took actions (again just judicious mouse clicks) to un un include people because I saw no fucking reason. I err on the side of kindness. I am sorry for this wayward reasoning, however understanding disagreements and their existences are sometimes unacceptable. I do not follow that path. I cannot think for anyone but I can nudge fairness to the best of my ability. Keep 'em coming, you'll simply get another excuse in which you think you are a better judge of character in lieu of me already saying, once again, that you are your own moderator.

Honestly, it's hard to decipher any of this, so I'm asking you just to clarify the bolded bits:

You're (still) claiming you did not wrong Elvis?

You're (still) claiming you were fair to Elvis?

And to the board?


Stop and really think about it for a while, 82. I have never seen anyone on this Discussion Board attacking you, least of all for no reason. I certainly never have done so, nor has Elvis, nor have the many RI members who are increasingly dumbfounded as all this finally unfolds in public. You know the truth. This entire brouhaha is not about nothing. It's about something you did, twice. Once last December, and again last week.

You could just admit you were wrong, you know. Denial's a painful place to be stuck in. You could instead just face up and simply apologise at long last to everyone concerned and actually mean it. That would be a real start. It would help you too, very seriously. You would certainly feel much better for it.

[elfismiles]

Elvis, I am truly sorry you have been placed into this awful and contentious position. Both you and BS have stated that you had informed the board that AD was to be or had been suspended and that you offered an explanation for taking the action to ban him, conditionally, for one year, the longest suspension in RI history, barring a member's permanent banning.

I honestly never read any such notice in the thread where such a message should appear, in the Members Notice Board. So, without animosity, would either of you two please share with me a link to where, in which thread, Elvis' notice of AD's suspension and the reason for taken this action appeared. If it wasn't published in the members notice board, the claim of announcing the banning of AD and the reason for his banning, was not properly placed where it would alert all of our members of this action. Only those participating in the particular thread Elvis posted this information in would have known AD had been banned.

I was also surprised to learn that Jerky had been banned. I had been under the impression he had be suspended for only a short while. Was there any public notice of this provided to our members?

One thing we all need to be aware of is that life happens, people's kids get killed, people lose the love of their life, their parent, sibling or lover dies, and sometimes become deeply and dysfunctional depressed. After reading Burnt Hill's tragic story, I cried. I even showed their posting to my daughter, crying when I did, for having been an asshole to them without ever considering they might be suffering in any way. And then I fell into a very deep, disabling depression that lasted for several months. I had never before understood how powerful an emotion depression could be, as I had never before been so depressed, not even after my son's murder.

To see you and 82 in conflict is difficult to understand. We have this image of you two together in meat space enjoying some event or other, with your fake 'badges.' (Pit passes or something like that)

I've already shared with you my feelings about moderation and moderators being equal in authority and empowered to act independently. Now, I have no idea as to what transpired between 82 and AD or Jerky, or whether or not 82 attempted to contact Elvis before these members were reinstated, or if he did and Elvis this time and for good reason was absent and unable to respond to his circumstances at the time.

But none of that should matter to me; this is not my board and I am not part of its management, I come here for news I would not otherwise read and to take part in discussions I find interesting and to provide an answer I might know of, to any particular question asked. Inter-moderator arguments should never be made public, regardless. If you two are at odds, if you two cannot work out your differences privately, bring your argument directly to Jeff for resolution and announce whatever verdict is decided, especially important to do if your squabble becomes public, as it now has.

Moderators, in future, please utilize the Members Notice Board to announce all suspensions and provide us with the reason, ie, which RI rule or rules they have broken, for taking such an action against any member.

Btw - Jack - At the time, I thought you would have made a great moderator.

First, welcome back Elvis.

If anyone simply insists on discussing any of this, please reply in the Rhetoric sticky thread. But no cheering or gloating. Peace.

Peace, indeed. Can I get a HalleluJAH?!?

Thank you for the Moderator Announcements for January 3, 2019 post / thread. I think it is very important to have a public place for folks to be able to find information on the board's punishment of users for rules infractions (with specific statements about what rules were violated). I've felt (and heard from others) for quite a long while that moderation at this forum has never been equitably distributed.

I will be the first to admit that I often do not perceive the level of trolling ascribed to certain users that is perceived by others. And so it was with the accusations against American Dream ... I think I've since read some descriptions that help me begin to see the outlines of what is alleged but ... that level of "subtle" trolling seems so innocuous to me as to warrant a significant evidential accounting - especially for such a harsh (year-long) suspension. Can the mods please explain exactly what board rules he violated? Preferably these explanations should appear in the thread/post/forum where such bans and suspensions are publicly posted so that folks don't have to hunt for them.

And alleged "proxy troll" sixlegged ... ??? Obviously wasn't off to a good start but, "proxy troll"? Evidence? What board rules were broken warranting a ban?

There are folks here who are constantly confrontational and likely closer to breaking board rules than these.

BTW - kinda interesting to note that Jerky (whom I don't always agree with and often epitomizes what I just said above - but hey, his username says it right up front) happens to be the earliest / oldest active poster here at the RI forum. Yep, by "Date Joined" he's user number 6 (not counting Jeff and Rigorous Intuition - who never actually post here anymore). So, in effect, he is the longest-term active foundational user / poster here ... with professorpan up next (last visited a few months ago but hasn't posted since 2012) and then our other most active, longest-term founder is SLAD (seemslikeadream) whom "everyone" allegedly has a problem with ... except me. Again, that's not to say I agree 100% with everything she posts or that she couldn't use some constructive criticism in her approach here at the board ... but, glass-houses and all that.

Me, I just LOATHE confrontation. Always have, since first witnessing my parents fighting when I was a toddler, and its made me averse to such conflagrations ever since; both in meatspace and online.

Project Willow would be our next longest-term "active" user here - but, oops, she aint around anymore either (not since she left back in March of 2018 for her own reasons).

And the next last active founding RigInter from that first page of users who registered here way back in 2005 ... ? ... that would be thrulookingglass!

So many folks that used to be long-term regulars here ... so many people I really enjoyed seeing around here. Gone ... each for their own reasons. Even those whose personalities or perspectives frustrated or infuriated me ... I miss them too.

Anyway - if this forum counts for anything and wants to continue existing I suggest we somehow keep our shit together / come together and get this house in order. Clearly stated and better enforced rules - with examples of how people break them resulting in bans, suspensions, deletions (see for instance username MASONIC PLOT) - would be a good start.

"Yer old pal" and proxy troll, ElfisMiles



Moderator Announcements for January 3, 2019
post by Elvis » 04 Jan 2019 05:21

Someone suggested posting moderator announcements, suspensions etc. here, so...

========== Moderator Announcements for January 3, 2019 ==========

from Elvis

1. Unfortunately, Jerky has earned another month off. The sixlegged proxy troll thing may compound the consequences.

2. "Sixlegged" is banned.

3. I don't know whether AD stopped posting on his own, or the software kicked in after the new year and activated the suspension. I'm amenable to reducing the duration and will consider it later (hopefully together with 82_28 who seems awol).


By the level of broad support expressed on the board and in PMs, I'm persuaded these actions reflect the will of this board as a whole, a small vocal minority notwithstanding. Objections are noted, though barrel-scraping psycho-social analyses are disappointing.

If anyone simply insists on discussing any of this, please reply in the Rhetoric sticky thread. But no cheering or gloating. Peace.

[brainpanhandler]

it's hard to decipher any of this,...

It's a learned skill. You have to sort of unfocus your eyes.

[seemslikeadream]

Since the Sneaky Bunch is still studiously ignoring this post by Elvis, it's time to bump it and bold it:

Since the Sneaky Bunch is still studiously ignoring this post by Elvis Jeff, it's time to bump it and bold it:

There's no way this won't sound anodyne, but isn't the board big enough for everyone?

I won't pretend to be up to speed on all of the disagreements here, but maybe that's good. The issues are maybe irrelevant to my point, which is that you don't all need to be pals, but maybe you do need to give each other some space

I don't want anybody banned or the board to be heavily moderated. In return, all I'd like is some basic, online courtesy. Like not flooding someone's thread, or driving discussion off topic, or making vicious personal attacks. That kind of stuff.

Jeff out.

Mac has no basic, online courtesy.

[Cordelia]

82, simply, what say you about Elvis's claim that, with the exception of clerical tasks, he's been stripped of his moderator access and ghosted by you?

And, please answer:

Went to the top of the stack and asked for advice. Got it...

Just be be clear:

Are claiming that this decision was not yours alone - that it was made during consultation with Jeff (and shared by Jeff), while completely excluding Elvis from the process?

Was the decision to exclude Elvis yours alone, or did Jeff agree to do so? Was Jeff even aware of the extent to which you had abdicated your role as moderator?

[Belligerent Savant]

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See what I mean?

More lashing out with vicious thuggery. More living down to lowest expectations. More full on screaming, hissing tantrum antics.

Now all that remains is for the (rhetorical) whooping and clapping from the rest of the Usual Suspects.

J.

"living down to lowest expectations" is an ironic statement given some of your output here, but I will grant you this: my last remark was certainly not an ideal representation of how I'd prefer to interact with others here.

In fact, I'll take this moment to reiterate, once more, that I've no personal animosity towards anyone here, as I know no one here personally.

The forum member Identity offered the option to SLAD (in the "What's Going on?" thread) to aggregate all TRUMP-related content into a single thread for her to curate/update as she deems fit. Those that prefer not to interact with such content can more readily do so with minimal impact to the General Discussion board. At the least, this may help resolve the thread proliferation/flooding issue for those that remain here, if SLAD is willing to consider it.

I've no suggestions for AD, however, as I don't believe they would be open to suggestions from other members/non-moderators. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong.

[EDITED to remove a bunch of crap that has already been iterated many times in various forms -- I'd be wise to cut myself off for a bit and train my focus elsewhere]

[Belligerent Savant]

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Quoting Cordelia, as it's a more pressing query than whatever I contributed above:

82, simply, what say you about Elvis's claim that, with the exception of clerical tasks, he's been stripped of his moderator access and ghosted by you?

And, please answer:

Went to the top of the stack and asked for advice. Got it...

Just be be clear:

Are claiming that this decision was not yours alone - that it was made during consultation with Jeff (and shared by Jeff), while completely excluding Elvis from the process?

Was the decision to exclude Elvis yours alone, or did Jeff agree to do so? Was Jeff even aware of the extent to which you had abdicated your role as moderator?

[Elvis]

Cordelia, I can still perform the functions, but there's no point in using them if the other moderator refuses to work together and simply reverses whatever actions he doesn't like without any discussion.

The ensuing sideshow is fascinating and revealing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=885y3jy1ddI

[82_28]

Working "together" in interest of everyone not working together by belittling and vicarious disliking? Jesus, this is an embarrassment. If I am up to speed here, I unbanned people and that was all. I may like them or I might not but I saw no reason for the banishment and in the interest of all I made the place a non festering fascist playground of decisions by fiat. Generally speaking I am always going to side on the side of everyone. How does that make me suitable as a mod, I do not know. However, nobody did shit. It's the subject's hangups that feed the animus, which I identified as being unfair and simply overrode the object of speculation. I cannot tell you who you can and cannot personally hate but I can say that god the world is full of assholes. Nothing was done other than harmless people being piled on. Oh shit there's the doorbell. Let me get it.

It was just someone who posts and comments here with a device I did not recognize. The device turned out to be a kitten. Nobody is a motherfucking pariah and will not be made to be so.

I fucking understand temporary hate but like I did as a kid I just threw people across yards and then picked them up and asked them to not do that again to others who found themselves powerless. I ain't ever been in a fight. But this is fucking stupid. Another thing, don't ever ask or demand someone that you know in the best good faith you can get to explain themselves. You keep it even and then agree to disagree if it comes to that.

[MacCruiskeen]

Thank you, that explanation mark makes perfect sense from across the herring pole or pondy, where, as you know, the great nation with their goes back Abraham Lincladers, Gettysbold and up to the end of herth half the people for all or some of the time has produced some very great exponents of the wasp-waist and swivel-hippy and kicking up the lebbers. I think Elvis was one of the first -- I'm not saying about the military crowps where he's went in the gee-aisle and so entertail for the whole company for it, nothing like that at all, and he wasn't trying to get out of it, oh no, d'you follow me?

With your Elvis Presley and wasp-waist and swivel-hippy, show you had, and I must say it showed it first self in pictures with the rhythmic contrapole of the wobbling of the hipper, sideways with the head and tilty, gave him that expression both also with a little doggy-lublike in the eyebold which he conveyed to the smaller femaiload of the specie, coupled with his music because he did trittly-how fine on the strims, helped him along the roamer. And it was in a moment of time when this fundamould of expression came from him, I heard it first of all on a record in the early mordy: I was doing the shavit-huff with my razor blade, which of course is a safety one, and suddenly, suddenly he did a little syncopole or a drop-it and how, or something he did and caused a jerkit over a pimplode and I've been suffering ever since.


https://youtu.be/B5iZ1MlBcSM

[RocketMan]

So much hand-waving verbiage about simple questions.

Why is the flooding of the board allowed? Why would anyone want to negatively influence the usefulness/readability of the board?

Why did a mod take actions not having consulted the other mod and, in fact, having ghosted them for a long period up until taking the actions?

Are intelligence agencies to be taken at their word?

Ask any of these and a torrent of... WORDS will ensue from certain quarters. Pretty transparent.

[Belligerent Savant]

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I unbanned people and that was all. I may like them or I might not but I saw no reason for the banishment and in the interest of all I made the place a non festering fascist playground of decisions by fiat. Generally speaking I am always going to side on the side of everyone. How does that make me suitable as a mod, I do not know.

There is alot of "I" in that reply.

The part you seem to continue to ignore, and have yet to acknowledge or address directly, is that -- whenever there is more than one moderator at a given time -- YOU do not get to make that decision unilaterally based on whatever unsubstantiated opinion only YOU have. There is another mod that should have been consulted before such decisions were made. In addition, decisions should have been made with moderator consensus, and notice should have been provided to the board/members once those decisions were finalized/acted upon.

Otherwise it's sheer arrogance/hubris on your part. Your continued lack of clarity, and lack of ownership for actions taken, does nothing to dispel this.

Elvis attempted in vain to do this -- consult with you, etc. -- back in December but you were AWOL at the time.

This is all further complicated by your reliance on your own personal 'feelings'* that, clearly, are at odds with actual activities on the board.

Having the other moderator involved in these decisions is important, for, as you yourself have stated:

All I can say is I don't know shit about shit.

*(ostensibly)

[MacCruiskeen]

Bump

[RocketMan]

Bump