Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[FourthBase]

ABC World News just now, in rare form. Their black guy reporter and the ubiquitous Brad Garrett, basically bemoaning the fact that we have laws and constitutional rights, because if only we didn't then maybe the FBI could have done something like kept an eye out for #1...oh, wait, they did? Yeah, ABC is in full FBI-whoredom mode. Wouldn't be surprised if the black reporter is a spook asset, definitely Garrett is, lol. Just point-blank denial, with zero attempt to substantiate. Questions about FBI monitoring or "mentoring" the older Tsarnaev for years? Well, according to unnamed sources, they didn't. The end. (Huh?) Just talked to him once. (Wait, what?) Knew him as a potential terrorist. (And did nothing about it when he lived here???) Stop asking questions. Start thinking about forfeiting more rights. Back to you, Bob.

"But FourthBase, you're contradicting yourself! That sounds awfully cynical! You're doing what you ripped other people for!" No, I am not. I have been well aware throughout this thread that there is bad potential here for police-state escalation, elimination of one after another constitutional rights, the initiation of new wars. I am fully aware that there may be people who want that, who want us to accept it, who might even stage a Gladio event in order to persuade us. I am also aware, and tried for a while to patiently remind others to be aware, that it is in no way shape or form yet a fait accompli. That whoever these people are, they may not get their way. Because maybe they fucked up too much, maybe they "picked the wrong city", maybe we won't let them. I have insisted, because it is a fact, that such a spiral into tyranny has not happened yet, can only be anticipated provisionally, because there may still be something we citizens can do about it. As long as we aren't wasted into a paralyzed total pessimism. And all we have to do, is ask questions. Show up, wherever, everywhere if need be, and ask questions, questions which show them up. Factual, unbiased questions. Devoid of excess paranoid fantasizing and assumptions. Is that so hard? Is that really naive? No.

They want us to swallow their bullshit? Fat chance.
They want us to give up our liberties? Fat chance.

You know the cliche about, like, if you're consumed by dread, then the terrorists win?
Don't let the terrorists who might have engineered this Gladio shit win. Please. I beg you.
Let's not let the things we're afraid of happening happen. Let's speak up, sleuth, inquire, persist.

[divideandconquer]

This guy, former US Naval Law enforcement and US Army Veteran, with 15 years experience in federal service, specialized search and rescue, 10 years professionally instructing wilderness survival and personal defense theory, 10years as a firearms and tactic instructor, and a consultant in protective security detail and has been on several security teams for celebrities and military officials said, commented on Adam Lanza's ability to carry all of the weaponry and ammo he was supposed to have carried that fateful morning. He said that these military operators, SWAT operators train their entire life, hours and days in the gym, getting to the best possible fitness they can and possibly be in, training their entire lives to carry around this heavy equipment...that a 120 pound developmentally disabled kid, to suddenly reach the exact same peak of operational performance and pull off a stunt of that magnitude is physically IMPOSSIBLE. The bottom line is that this stuff is heavy!

It seems as if we've got the same type of scenario here. Nine bombs? Rifles? Granted these kids were probably a little larger than Adam Lanza, but not by much.

Also, I was listening to a radio show last night with recordings from police radios, picked up by scanners, that clearly mentioned ordinance had been placed on the boat they can be heard saying "lighting up" the boat. This is military parlance for blowing it up, Then, supposedly, the cops realized they were being listened to and mentioned "switching to another channel", followed by cancelling the plans to "light it up", which was repeated to the forces on the scene.

Moreover, they said the saudi kid who is being deported case is classified. He also supposedly had an off the record meetings with Obama (I don't know if I believe that). But the kid is an al-harbi, terrorist family and he was visited in hospital by a known terrorist. Thought that was odd.

[justdrew]

So the FOX NEWS insider expert just confirmed that they had NINE explosive devices in the HIJACKED MERCEDES, so that means they were at MIT doing whatever they were doing and they had to have been walking around at that time with NINE BOMBS on their person, otherwise how did the NINE BOMBS materialize in the carjacked mercedes, did they just happen to carjack the one guy in Boston who drives around with NINE BOMBS in his car, where did these nine bombs come from and if they had them in backpacks, were they actually walking around MIT with backpacks full of nine bombs PLUS all the guns and ammo they had which the police have said was an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT and that doesnt even take in to account HOW HEAVY 9 bombs, guns and AMMO are to be carrying around.

Not to mention the fact that the police are now saying that they had RIFLES, so where were the RIFLES when they were at MIT and then hijacked the car, where they cruising around MIT with rifles slung over their fucking shoulders. I am telling you my friends this shit doesnt add up and it STINKS!

I am really really confused how these nine bombs, guns, ammo and RIFLES seemed to just materialize out of thin air when they got in to the hijacked mercedes, this is no small issue, it is a very very important question that needs to be answered.

....

i'm sure they weren't carrying it on foot. No doubt they had a car, got spotted by the MIT cop, shot him, then decided they had to switch cars, and transferred their gear into the newly jacked car.

[justdrew]

This guy, former US Naval Law enforcement and US Army Veteran, with 15 years experience in federal service, specialized search and rescue, 10 years professionally instructing wilderness survival and personal defense theory, 10years as a firearms and tactic instructor, and a consultant in protective security detail and has been on several security teams for celebrities and military officials said, commented on Adam Lanza's ability to carry all of the weaponry and ammo he was supposed to have carried that fateful morning. He said that these military operators, SWAT operators train their entire life, hours and days in the gym, getting to the best possible fitness they can and possibly be in, training their entire lives to carry around this heavy equipment...that a 120 pound developmentally disabled kid, to suddenly reach the exact same peak of operational performance and pull off a stunt of that magnitude is physically IMPOSSIBLE. The bottom line is that this stuff is heavy!

It seems as if we've got the same type of scenario here. Nine bombs? Rifles? Granted these kids were probably a little larger than Adam Lanza, but not by much.

you are listening to a steady stream of bullshit. dangerous bullshit.

an ar-15 is a very lightweight weapon. and a few spare clips isn't going to add much weight. Lanaza would have had no problem carrying what he did.

[barracuda]

This guy, former US Naval Law enforcement and US Army Veteran, with 15 years experience in federal service, specialized search and rescue, 10 years professionally instructing wilderness survival and personal defense theory, 10years as a firearms and tactic instructor, and a consultant in protective security detail and has been on several security teams for celebrities and military officials said, commented on Adam Lanza's ability to carry all of the weaponry and ammo he was supposed to have carried that fateful morning. He said that these military operators, SWAT operators train their entire life, hours and days in the gym, getting to the best possible fitness they can and possibly be in, training their entire lives to carry around this heavy equipment...that a 120 pound developmentally disabled kid, to suddenly reach the exact same peak of operational performance and pull off a stunt of that magnitude is physically IMPOSSIBLE. The bottom line is that this stuff is heavy!

An AR-15 weighs eight pounds, bro. 30 round mags weigh less than a pound each. Lanza's kit totals out at about 25 lbs avoirdupois.

[justdrew]

Boston Police Ask For Public's Help In Bombing Investigation
by April 16, 2013 3:00 PM
...

SMITH: Authorities say they swept the perimeter of the race course twice yesterday and found nothing. But it's an open course and people can easily come and go, says Boston police commissioner Ed Davis.

ED DAVIS: This is a soft target. And so, anybody can go into a church service and do this type of thing. When you have an event like this, you can't lock it down like it's a military operation. It needs to be open to the public. It requires that we don't turn these events into a police state. We want you to live your life. We want you to be vigilant. There's no reason to not come into the city, but we do have a threat and we are working diligently to try to reduce that threat.

...

[FourthBase]

Respect, Alchemy. Respect.

Very good points FB, I understand where you are coming from, my wife is from Mississippi and it enrages me when people call her a redneck and say things like MS and the south is the armpit of America and they are all racist toothless and ignorant, she is anything but those things and the south is a place dear to my heart, there are lots of ignorant racists there but there are also a lot of them in California, which is a liberal bastion of tolerance so evryone says (except LAPD of course), point is racism is everywhere and Boston included, I am not trying to pick on your city or the people there, I am from New York, a real dyed in the wool Yankee fan, Jets and Knicks and Rangers fan, so year Boston and its sports teams and fans arent my favorite people (just kiddin man) but I do know from being involved in civil rights and criminal defense law that a lot of bad shit goes on with Boston PD and that includes some pretty bad racism and it usually involves the hard core southie irish demographic, but by all means that is NOT an indictment on all irish people or southies or even Bostonians in general, I do know they are a proud and hard working blue collar people there and I am proud to call them my neighbors (most of them time unless they are playing the yankees or knicks or rangers or jets ha).

Believe it or not, it shouldn't even necessarily be an indictment of all (or even most) Irish Boston cops from Southie. Do you know all of them? No, right? The ones you've encountered, that could be considered a small, skewed sample...no?

(You should have fun with this Celts-Knicks series, unless Jeff Green suddenly becomes LeBron, you got it in the bag. I stopped caring about this season when Rondo went down. Half-hearted 1-in-a-1000 hopes of making a run, but otherwise, meh. If the Knicks beat us, I wish you luck. Beat the Heat.)

The story of your uncle is a familiar one, I assume he was from a different era much like mine when racism was just the normal way of life for some demographics, but mostly just in private and they didnt express it in the way of actual discrimination against others in public, I know the kind, I am jewish and have relatives who are also quiet racist which is ironic considering what our own people have been through because of such a mentality. I am not sure what my overall point was in saying what I did other than to express my belief that most PDs are really not shining examples of everything that is good in the world, I defend people accused of crimes for a living and I cant even begin to tell you the sort of corruption I have to deal with, every single day, every single case, because of cops on the take or because of their racist attitudes or just because they have a badge and you dont. So yes, I am jaded and I am cynical and I try really hard not to let that define me but sometimes that is no easy task when you deal with this sort of thing over and over and over and over and what is most unfortunate about it is that there are a lot of good cops out there and I have a hard time trusting any of them because of the few bad apples among their bunch, and a few bad apples with badges is a pretty fucking powerful thing even if their numbers are small.

Indeed, a very different era. He was born in 1928. (It's a youngest child of the youngest child kind of deal for me -- my parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts were much older than my friends') A Boston cop from Southie coming of age in the 50's, go figure, right, lol? But he was, still, on the whole, a good person. And not a deep racist, actually. (He even had friends who weren't white.) Just an ordinary one, I guess. And maybe less ordinary because if he had the chance, though he rarely did, he might hassle or rough up a black person a little bit more than usual. Though, like any ordinary racist, he'd probably distinguish between one type of black person versus another type, or some such thing I can't comprehend. It was what it was.

I hear you about there being so many corrupt cops. But, again, you are a defense attorney. Like an umpire, the best cop is the one who never gives cause to be noticed. There are, like you say, a lot of good cops out there. The bad apples, they suck. I abhor bad apples. And yes, it's even worse, because it seems the bad apples have an edge in their career tracks, may even have to invite rot to move up. But then, not even every higher-up is a bad apple. But there, I would not be comfortable ascribing a "most" there, because most (more than 50%) police higher-ups, especially the higher you go, may indeed be rotten.

Anyway thanks for sharing, I appreciate your contributions and I will call you on it when I think you deserve it and I know youll do the same to me but at the same time when you dont I will defend you against those who shouldnt be.

Thank you, and once again, my apologies.

Oh and BTW its no wonder those southies stood up against the KKK, after blacks and jews catholics are enemy number 3 on the kkk list of who to hate and destroy.

Maybe, but I think it's just that people in Southie simply hated the KKK and what it stood for, did.

[Hunter]

ABC World News just now, in rare form. Their black guy reporter and the ubiquitous Brad Garrett, basically bemoaning the fact that we have laws and constitutional rights, because if only we didn't then maybe the FBI could have done something like kept an eye out for #1...oh, wait, they did? Yeah, ABC is in full FBI-whoredom mode. Wouldn't be surprised if the black reporter is a spook asset, definitely Garrett is, lol. Just point-blank denial, with zero attempt to substantiate. Questions about FBI monitoring or "mentoring" the older Tsarnaev for years? Well, according to unnamed sources, they didn't. The end. (Huh?) Just talked to him once. (Wait, what?) Knew him as a potential terrorist. (And did nothing about it when he lived here???) Stop asking questions. Start thinking about forfeiting more rights. Back to you, Bob.

"But FourthBase, you're contradicting yourself! That sounds awfully cynical! You're doing what you ripped other people for!" No, I am not. I have been well aware throughout this thread that there is bad potential here for police-state escalation, elimination of one after another constitutional rights, the initiation of new wars. I am fully aware that there may be people who want that, who want us to accept it, who might even stage a Gladio event in order to persuade us. I am also aware, and tried for a while to patiently remind others to be aware, that it is in no way shape or form yet a fait accompli. That whoever these people are, they may not get their way. Because maybe they fucked up too much, maybe they "picked the wrong city", maybe we won't let them. I have insisted, because it is a fact, that such a spiral into tyranny has not happened yet, can only be anticipated provisionally, because there may still be something we citizens can do about it. As long as we aren't wasted into a paralyzed total pessimism. And all we have to do, is ask questions. Show up, wherever, everywhere if need be, and ask questions, questions which show them up. Factual, unbiased questions. Devoid of excess paranoid fantasizing and assumptions. Is that so hard? Is that really naive? No.

They want us to swallow their bullshit? Fat chance.
They want us to give up our liberties? Fat chance.

You know the cliche about, like, if you're consumed by dread, then the terrorists win?
Don't let the terrorists who might have engineered this Gladio shit win. Please. I beg you.
Let's not let the things we're afraid of happening happen. Let's speak up, sleuth, inquire, persist.

EXACTLY!!

By my calculations the CIA or whoever, some agency, like CIA, infiltrated and took control over the Mainstream Media sometime in the 60s, its been a slow transformation since that time but it is now fully complete and I am certain that they have a point man in every newsroom, probably at editorial level or above, who subtly controls the talking points of the pretty faces on the TV screens and the pens and paper of those in the print media and they have also fully infiltrated the conspiracy crowd, taking what was once a good group of honest people asking tough questions and turning it in to the full retard mob trying to convince everyone that no kids died in newton and all the parents were actors and the towers were felled with laser beams from space. Yes a lot of fishy stufdf in Newton and 9-11 but they have taken us from the reasonable to the completely insane and retarded and now anyone who questions anything is immediately ostracized when one single utterance "Oh he is a one of those, a CONSPIRACY THEORIST, ewww get away from us", or in the words of of the great and all wise NAVIN JOHNSON from THE JERK...."HE DONT LIKE THOSE CANS, ITS THE CANS STAY AWAY FROM THOSE CANS!!!"


The words CONSPIRACY THEORIST is now an immediate conversation stopper, nothing will get you ignored faster than being called one of those.


What they have done you see is take THAT WHICH THEY CAN NO LONGER HIDE FROM US, whatever it may be, aliens, 9-11, JFK you name it, and turned it in to a DISNEY FILM and then they tell us, "OH THATS JUST THE MOVIES, IT ISNT REAL, YOU TAKE YOUR ENTERTAINMENT TOO SERIOUSLY!!"


XFiles is sort of a good example and the whole Dan Brown thing.

Brilliant actually, when you think about it.

[Hunter]

This guy, former US Naval Law enforcement and US Army Veteran, with 15 years experience in federal service, specialized search and rescue, 10 years professionally instructing wilderness survival and personal defense theory, 10years as a firearms and tactic instructor, and a consultant in protective security detail and has been on several security teams for celebrities and military officials said, commented on Adam Lanza's ability to carry all of the weaponry and ammo he was supposed to have carried that fateful morning. He said that these military operators, SWAT operators train their entire life, hours and days in the gym, getting to the best possible fitness they can and possibly be in, training their entire lives to carry around this heavy equipment...that a 120 pound developmentally disabled kid, to suddenly reach the exact same peak of operational performance and pull off a stunt of that magnitude is physically IMPOSSIBLE. The bottom line is that this stuff is heavy!

It seems as if we've got the same type of scenario here. Nine bombs? Rifles? Granted these kids were probably a little larger than Adam Lanza, but not by much.

Also, I was listening to a radio show last night with recordings from police radios, picked up by scanners, that clearly mentioned ordinance had been placed on the boat they can be heard saying "lighting up" the boat. This is military parlance for blowing it up, Then, supposedly, the cops realized they were being listened to and mentioned "switching to another channel", followed by cancelling the plans to "light it up", which was repeated to the forces on the scene.

Moreover, they said the saudi kid who is being deported case is classified. He also supposedly had an off the record meetings with Obama (I don't know if I believe that). But the kid is an al-harbi, terrorist family and he was visited in hospital by a known terrorist. Thought that was odd.

I can vouch for that, although I am no commando I was in the US Army for 4 years and trained for combat as a sniper, the shit is heavy indeed and it takes years and years of mental and physical training to reach the sort of level I believe would be needed for someone like Lanza or Holmes to do what they did but you could get someone to do it under mind control without such training I would imagine, at least the mental aspect of it since under MC the mind would be completely and utterly focused, the physical part though, would still need to be honed and sharpened.


But yea, very good point and thanks for sharing that.

[General Patton]

The words CONSPIRACY THEORIST is now an immediate conversation stopper, nothing will get you ignored faster than being called one of those.


What they have done you see is take THAT WHICH THEY CAN NO LONGER HIDE FROM US, whatever it may be, aliens, 9-11, JFK you name it, and turned it in to a DISNEY FILM and then they tell us, "OH THATS JUST THE MOVIES, IT ISNT REAL, YOU TAKE YOUR ENTERTAINMENT TOO SERIOUSLY!!"


XFiles is sort of a good example and the whole Dan Brown thing.

Brilliant actually, when you think about it.

Conspirtainment, Wombat has talked about that quite a bit.

I remember a transition period in my life when teenage girls started sending me links to Alex Jones. Now it's just as much about appealing to the demographics of conspiracy theories as actual theories. On the other hand, I've gained an appreciation for academic subjects like never before:

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/50297/1/c50297.pdf

This article adds to the literature on criminal career paths by moving away from a classic organized criminal grouping into the area of police corruption, and uncovers the distinctive opportunities that this position offers the career criminal.

[Hunter]

Respect, Alchemy. Respect.

Very good points FB, I understand where you are coming from, my wife is from Mississippi and it enrages me when people call her a redneck and say things like MS and the south is the armpit of America and they are all racist toothless and ignorant, she is anything but those things and the south is a place dear to my heart, there are lots of ignorant racists there but there are also a lot of them in California, which is a liberal bastion of tolerance so evryone says (except LAPD of course), point is racism is everywhere and Boston included, I am not trying to pick on your city or the people there, I am from New York, a real dyed in the wool Yankee fan, Jets and Knicks and Rangers fan, so year Boston and its sports teams and fans arent my favorite people (just kiddin man) but I do know from being involved in civil rights and criminal defense law that a lot of bad shit goes on with Boston PD and that includes some pretty bad racism and it usually involves the hard core southie irish demographic, but by all means that is NOT an indictment on all irish people or southies or even Bostonians in general, I do know they are a proud and hard working blue collar people there and I am proud to call them my neighbors (most of them time unless they are playing the yankees or knicks or rangers or jets ha).

Believe it or not, it shouldn't even necessarily be an indictment of all (or even most) Irish Boston cops from Southie. Do you know all of them? No, right? The ones you've encountered, that could be considered a small, skewed sample...no?

(You should have fun with this Celts-Knicks series, unless Jeff Green suddenly becomes LeBron, you got it in the bag. I stopped caring about this season when Rondo went down. Half-hearted 1-in-a-1000 hopes of making a run, but otherwise, meh. If the Knicks beat us, I wish you luck. Beat the Heat.)

The story of your uncle is a familiar one, I assume he was from a different era much like mine when racism was just the normal way of life for some demographics, but mostly just in private and they didnt express it in the way of actual discrimination against others in public, I know the kind, I am jewish and have relatives who are also quiet racist which is ironic considering what our own people have been through because of such a mentality. I am not sure what my overall point was in saying what I did other than to express my belief that most PDs are really not shining examples of everything that is good in the world, I defend people accused of crimes for a living and I cant even begin to tell you the sort of corruption I have to deal with, every single day, every single case, because of cops on the take or because of their racist attitudes or just because they have a badge and you dont. So yes, I am jaded and I am cynical and I try really hard not to let that define me but sometimes that is no easy task when you deal with this sort of thing over and over and over and over and what is most unfortunate about it is that there are a lot of good cops out there and I have a hard time trusting any of them because of the few bad apples among their bunch, and a few bad apples with badges is a pretty fucking powerful thing even if their numbers are small.

Indeed, a very different era. He was born in 1928. (It's a youngest child of the youngest child kind of deal for me -- my parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts were much older than my friends') A Boston cop from Southie coming of age in the 50's, go figure, right, lol? But he was, still, on the whole, a good person. And not a deep racist, actually. (He even had friends who weren't white.) Just an ordinary one, I guess. And maybe less ordinary because if he had the chance, though he rarely did, he might hassle or rough up a black person a little bit more than usual. Though, like any ordinary racist, he'd probably distinguish between one type of black person versus another type, or some such thing I can't comprehend. It was what it was.

I hear you about there being so many corrupt cops. But, again, you are a defense attorney. Like an umpire, the best cop is the one who never gives cause to be noticed. There are, like you say, a lot of good cops out there. The bad apples, they suck. I abhor bad apples. And yes, it's even worse, because it seems the bad apples have an edge in their career tracks, may even have to invite rot to move up. But then, not even every higher-up is a bad apple. But there, I would not be comfortable ascribing a "most" there, because most (more than 50%) police higher-ups, especially the higher you go, may indeed be rotten.

Anyway thanks for sharing, I appreciate your contributions and I will call you on it when I think you deserve it and I know youll do the same to me but at the same time when you dont I will defend you against those who shouldnt be.

Thank you, and once again, my apologies.

Oh and BTW its no wonder those southies stood up against the KKK, after blacks and jews catholics are enemy number 3 on the kkk list of who to hate and destroy.

Maybe, but I think it's just that people in Southie simply hated the KKK and what it stood for, did.

I think from what I have experienced, the higher you climb up the ladder the more you have to sacrifice your moral compass and become more easily blackmailed. That is very likely why your uncle probably stayed at that desk job and didnt want to move up, a lot of people in his shoes take the same approach, they know what they have to do to get to the top or near it and they simply dont want to play that game even for a nice raise in pay.

Some people are just not for sale, at any price, its probably a small group but I do believe they exist and I hope I am one of them, so far I have not been given any opportunities to move up anywhere in life, I work for myself etc so no law firm or anything like that where I would have to sacrifice my ideals to become one of the good old boys. But when that day arrives where I get a chance to move up and play with the big boys I hope I am strong enough to stick to what I believe is right and tell them to fuck off. I believe that I would but you can never be too sure unless you are actually put in that position and have it laying in front of you for the taking.

On the other hand maybe I would play along, infiltrate and become a mole.

[wordspeak2]

Sorry to derail-
Not sure if this is appropriate to post here, but there were just gunshots fired at the Denver, CO 4/20 celebration festival. Apparently it broke up the whole festival. One assumes it's gang-related, since that's apparently a park with a lot of non-weed gang activity, but since it's the first 4/20 post-legalization and this kind of thing has never happened before in these events, and given all the other violence and threatened violence this past week, it set off my "strategy of tension!" alarm. Regardless, I'm disturbed by it. At least one person badly injured.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/poli ... g-19008641

[justdrew]

Sorry to derail-
Not sure if this is appropriate to post here, but there were just gunshots fired at the Denver, CO 4/20 celebration festival. Apparently it broke up the whole festival. One assumes it's gang-related, since that's apparently a park with a lot of non-weed gang activity, but since it's the first 4/20 post-legalization and this kind of thing has never happened before in these events, and given all the other violence and threatened violence this past week, it set off my "strategy of tension!" alarm. Regardless, I'm disturbed by it. At least one person badly injured.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/poli ... g-19008641

the shit, it's in the air, going to take a little while to clear up

Colorado’s ’4/20′ party under increased scrutiny after Boston bombings
By The Christian Science Monitor | Saturday, April 20, 2013 16:51 EDT

The annual “4/20” marijuana celebration – the communal cannabis party held by pot smokers around the world on April 20th – is getting special attention following a week of shock and then resolution in the Boston Marathon bombing.

It’s a cause for special celebration (as if the day needed any) following the Friday night capture of the second suspect in the Boston bombing, not to mention voters in two states in last November’s elections – Colorado and Washington – approving the recreational use of marijuana.

But the day is also marked by heightened security concerns as crowds gather to smoke weed and party. Boston was a reminder that a cheerful happening can quickly turn to tragedy.

"We're aware of the events in Boston," Denver police spokesman Aaron Kafer, told the Associated Press, although he declined to give specifics about security measures being taken. "Our message to the public is that, if you see something, say something."

[Hunter]

This guy, former US Naval Law enforcement and US Army Veteran, with 15 years experience in federal service, specialized search and rescue, 10 years professionally instructing wilderness survival and personal defense theory, 10years as a firearms and tactic instructor, and a consultant in protective security detail and has been on several security teams for celebrities and military officials said, commented on Adam Lanza's ability to carry all of the weaponry and ammo he was supposed to have carried that fateful morning. He said that these military operators, SWAT operators train their entire life, hours and days in the gym, getting to the best possible fitness they can and possibly be in, training their entire lives to carry around this heavy equipment...that a 120 pound developmentally disabled kid, to suddenly reach the exact same peak of operational performance and pull off a stunt of that magnitude is physically IMPOSSIBLE. The bottom line is that this stuff is heavy!

An AR-15 weighs eight pounds, bro. 30 round mags weigh less than a pound each. Lanza's kit totals out at about 25 lbs avoirdupois.

That is a fair point, I was thinking more along of full combat gear BDU's, pack, rifle, extra ammo etc, my set up when I was in the army weighed in at roughly 250 pounds a lot of which was water. Of course that was for going deep in to enemy terrirtory for a weeks stay for recon, to glass their activity and set up sniper base.

[FourthBase]

ABC World News just now, in rare form. Their black guy reporter and the ubiquitous Brad Garrett, basically bemoaning the fact that we have laws and constitutional rights, because if only we didn't then maybe the FBI could have done something like kept an eye out for #1...oh, wait, they did? Yeah, ABC is in full FBI-whoredom mode. Wouldn't be surprised if the black reporter is a spook asset, definitely Garrett is, lol. Just point-blank denial, with zero attempt to substantiate. Questions about FBI monitoring or "mentoring" the older Tsarnaev for years? Well, according to unnamed sources, they didn't. The end. (Huh?) Just talked to him once. (Wait, what?) Knew him as a potential terrorist. (And did nothing about it when he lived here???) Stop asking questions. Start thinking about forfeiting more rights. Back to you, Bob.

"But FourthBase, you're contradicting yourself! That sounds awfully cynical! You're doing what you ripped other people for!" No, I am not. I have been well aware throughout this thread that there is bad potential here for police-state escalation, elimination of one after another constitutional rights, the initiation of new wars. I am fully aware that there may be people who want that, who want us to accept it, who might even stage a Gladio event in order to persuade us. I am also aware, and tried for a while to patiently remind others to be aware, that it is in no way shape or form yet a fait accompli. That whoever these people are, they may not get their way. Because maybe they fucked up too much, maybe they "picked the wrong city", maybe we won't let them. I have insisted, because it is a fact, that such a spiral into tyranny has not happened yet, can only be anticipated provisionally, because there may still be something we citizens can do about it. As long as we aren't wasted into a paralyzed total pessimism. And all we have to do, is ask questions. Show up, wherever, everywhere if need be, and ask questions, questions which show them up. Factual, unbiased questions. Devoid of excess paranoid fantasizing and assumptions. Is that so hard? Is that really naive? No.

They want us to swallow their bullshit? Fat chance.
They want us to give up our liberties? Fat chance.

You know the cliche about, like, if you're consumed by dread, then the terrorists win?
Don't let the terrorists who might have engineered this Gladio shit win. Please. I beg you.
Let's not let the things we're afraid of happening happen. Let's speak up, sleuth, inquire, persist.

EXACTLY!!

By my calculations the CIA or whoever, some agency, like CIA, infiltrated and took control over the Mainstream Media sometime in the 60s, its been a slow transformation since that time but it is now fully complete and I am certain that they have a point man in every newsroom, probably at editorial level or above, who subtly controls the talking points of the pretty faces on the TV screens and the pens and paper of those in the print media and they have also fully infiltrated the conspiracy crowd, taking what was once a good group of honest people asking tough questions and turning it in to the full retard mob trying to convince everyone that no kids died in newton and all the parents were actors and the towers were felled with laser beams from space. Yes a lot of fishy stufdf in Newton and 9-11 but they have taken us from the reasonable to the completely insane and retarded and now anyone who questions anything is immediately ostracized when one single utterance "Oh he is a one of those, a CONSPIRACY THEORIST, ewww get away from us", or in the words of of the great and all wise NAVIN JOHNSON from THE JERK...."HE DONT LIKE THOSE CANS, ITS THE CANS STAY AWAY FROM THOSE CANS!!!"


The words CONSPIRACY THEORIST is now an immediate conversation stopper, nothing will get you ignored faster than being called one of those.


What they have done you see is take THAT WHICH THEY CAN NO LONGER HIDE FROM US, whatever it may be, aliens, 9-11, JFK you name it, and turned it in to a DISNEY FILM and then they tell us, "OH THATS JUST THE MOVIES, IT ISNT REAL, YOU TAKE YOUR ENTERTAINMENT TOO SERIOUSLY!!"


XFiles is sort of a good example and the whole Dan Brown thing.

Brilliant actually, when you think about it.

Then again, maybe there are some writers for shows/movies like the X-Files who are genuinely trying to impart a sense that something is truly wrong with the world, maybe even embedding clues within or translating into fiction information that could help us figure out what's really going on, who's behind it, maybe even tipping us off to future events, as opposed to merely "inoculating" us or preemptively discrediting questions. That's also possible. Who knows.

There's an inverse of that excellent Navin Johnson reference.
"He doesn't think it's the cans! He's only saying maybe it's the cans!
He's a fascism-lover! He's a plant! He's naive! Suspend him! Send the whitecoats!" Etc.

But yeah, I would be shocked if every single major mainstream news outlet (and maybe even major alternative outlet) didn't have at least one handler, directly on the payroll, if not more. Not to mention those who've internalized the gatekeeper mentality, bought the propaganda, who pathetically think themselves wise and responsible, or maybe some just have no choice. But, there's always a choice.